Brownhill Link

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https://tbrfootball.com/west-ham-could- ... e-freebie/

[Quickenthetempo]

Brownhill is linked away every window, but I'm pretty sure he will leave on a free transfer at the end of the season. Get himself a decent contract somewhere.

[hoosier-daddy]

Really can't blame him if he moves on a free in the summer. I just hope it's after he's helped us go up.

[fidelcastro]

They're in for a shock if they expect him to be their new Declan Rice.

[The Shire Claret]

They're in for a shock if they expect him to be their new Declan Rice.

As if anyone would be expecting that lol

What they will get is a decent PL player that works hard and gives everything.

We will miss him if he goes

[Woodleyclaret]

Josh has been poor the last few games and if he's off in January perhaps Laurent or returning Redmond needs to replace him
Maybe a deal to DL with Paddy Posh boy in the deal is a possibility
Whittaker in January is now vital to push us on

[fidelcastro]

As if anyone would be expecting that lol

What they will get is a decent PL player that works hard and gives everything.

We will miss him if he goes

I'm guessing you never watched him in the PL then?

He's simply not up to that standard.

[Vegas Claret]

put him in a good side and he will be decent imho

[fidelcastro]

put him in a good side and he will be decent imho

No point in him signing for West ham then.

[The Shire Claret]

I'm guessing you never watched him in the PL then?

He's simply not up to that standard.

I’ve seen more or less evey match he’s played in for us since we signed him at the turf and a good few away games

He’s be a great servant for us and will make West Ham a better team

It’s not always what a player does off the ball , it’s also what they do off the ball and he works his socks off

[fidelcastro]

I’ve seen more or less evey match he’s played in for us since we signed him at the turf and a good few away games

He’s be a great servant for us and will make West Ham a better team

It’s not always what a player dies off the ball , it’s also what they do off the ball and he works his socks off

Then you should know he's not a premier League standard player by now.

He has been decent for us at this level, but this really is his limit in terms of effectiveness.

[The Shire Claret]

Then you should know he's not a premier League standard player by now.

He has been decent for us at this level, but this really is his limit in terms of effectiveness.

For me you need a Brownhill type player in your team - what we have lacked for a good while in the PL is creativity to go with it

We will have to agree to disagree

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[Stonehouse]

SP praising him in his press conference i obviously have no idea about football as I think for the last half a dozen games he’s been anonymous.

[fidelcastro]

For me you need a Brownhill type player in your team - what we have lacked for a good while in the PL is creativity to go with it

We will have to agree to disagree

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Are you his agent? If not, you should be if you think he'd make West Ham a better team!

[NottsClaret]

Weird how the likes of Brownhill, Wood, McNeil or Trafford get grief on here, and then Premier League clubs want to sign them. While our favourites like Cullen, Benson or Flemming are destined to keep plugging away in the Championship.

Sometimes I wonder if it's maybe us on here that's wrong, but it can't be that.

[The Shire Claret]

Are you his agent? If not, you should be if you think he'd make West Ham a better team!

He would make their ‘Squad’ stronger

[fidelcastro]

Weird how the likes of Brownhill, Wood, McNeil or Trafford get grief on here, and then Premier League clubs want to sign them. While our favourites like Cullen, Benson or Flemming are destined to keep plugging away in the Championship.

Sometimes I wonder if it's maybe us on here that's wrong, but it can't be that.

I don't know if that's aimed at me, but I don't ever recall giving grief to the players you mentioned, including Brownhill for that matter.

I'm simply saying that I don't believe he's of PL standard. His time with us at that level proves that

[fidelcastro]

He would make their ‘Squad’ stronger

They said that about Cornet.

[The Shire Claret]

They said that about Cornet.

I didn’t

[ClaretPete001]

He's scored 1 in 3 from midfield this season and is the only player to score more than 2 goals.

I think a number of PL sides would want him in their squad - he'll be available without a fee at the end of the season.

Not sure what the definition of not doing a lot is but 1 in 3 is not a bad return for a striker never mind a midfielder.

[Big Vinny K]

He would make their ‘Squad’ stronger

Not sure he would.
Take a look at the midfielders they have on their bench.
And that’s without the likes of Ward Prowse who for some inexplicable reason they let go out on loan.

I like Josh - don’t think he is having the best season but you can say that for a lot of our team. The fact he will be leaving on a free makes him attractive to a few teams no doubt but I could only see him getting a game for one of the promoted teams. Anyone else and he’d be in a battle to make their bench.

[HuncoatClaret]

Didn't someone say that Matt Williams said at the meeting a few weeks ago that Brownhill had been offered a new contract, but refused to sign it?

[ClaretTony]

He's scored 1 in 3 from midfield this season and is the only player to score more than 2 goals.

I think a number of PL sides would want him in their squad - he'll be available without a fee at the end of the season.

Not sure what the definition of not doing a lot is but 1 in 3 is not a bad return for a striker never mind a midfielder.

I’m not sure his goal return is a huge guide. He’d scored five in the first sixteen two seasons ago but only added two more, one on the last day of the season.

He only scored six goals in three and a half Premier League seasons but I really don’t think he’s a player who should be judged on his goalscoring.

[BigGaz]

Didn't someone say that Matt Williams said at the meeting a few weeks ago that Brownhill had been offered a new contract, but refused to sign it?

I don't know who said that but I know that he's had a few offered to him over the course of the last year and a half and he doesn't want to re sign.

He fancies abroad.

No hard feelings from me. He's been a good player, not without his faults of course but if he was a little better than what he is we'd have not kept him this long. He's been part of some iconic squads and we've had our money's worth out of him. It'd be great if he could sign off with another promotion just for a cherry on the cake.

[JohnMac]

Did he really 'Refuse to Sign' a new contract? More like he has rejected the offer which he and his agent consider to be unsuitable. He has plenty of time to sort his future before next Season starts.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I’ve seen more or less evey match he’s played in for us since we signed him at the turf and a good few away games

He’s be a great servant for us and will make West Ham a better team

It’s not always what a player does off the ball , it’s also what they do off the ball and he works his socks off

I’m genuinely amazed you think there’s anything in this deal.

They currently have Ward Prowse (on loan), Alavarez, Soucek, Rodriguez all competing for two roles, with a Soler on loan from PsG as a fifth choice.

This rumour comes up every year and there’s nothing in it every year.

He’s going to end up at a club like Leeds or Sunderland if there promoted. Probably get a decent pay rise and then in two or three seasons get loaned out into lower league obscurity

[The Shire Claret]

I’m genuinely amazed you think there’s anything in this deal.

They currently have Ward Prowse (on loan), Alavarez, Soucek, Rodriguez all competing for two roles, with a Soler on loan from PsG as a fifth choice.

This rumour comes up every year and there’s nothing in it every year.

He’s going to end up at a club like Leeds or Sunderland if there promoted. Probably get a decent pay rise and then in two or three seasons get loaned out into lower league obscurity

I didn’t say there was anything in this or that there is a deal

I was just making a point that Brownhill just like many players that have left for pastures new is under rated by some of the turf faithful

That’s fine by me I just don’t agree - I think he is a lower table PL player

[fidelcastro]

That’s fine by me I just don’t agree - I think he is a lower table PL player

And one who gets relegated from it at the end of the season.

[The Shire Claret]

And one who gets relegated from it at the end of the season.

Quite possibly

[fidelcastro]

Quite possibly

And there's a reason for that.

[The Shire Claret]

And there's a reason for that.

But quite possibly not

[jrgbfc]

Be a decent squad player on a free. I'd be surprised if he were good enough to be a regular for an established team in the Prem though.

[IanMcL]

He is on the radar of many and yet there are loons on here who can't see what he does for us.

[fidelcastro]

But quite possibly not

Just a coincidence then?

Okay.

[fidelcastro]

He is on the radar of many and yet there are loons on here who can't see what he does for us.

Many you say?

There are also loons on here who can't see we have a highly promising young goalkeeper who is part of the England squad now too.

[TheFamilyCat]

From the BBC's gossip column this morning.

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[CaptJohn]

He lost a lot of his attacking threat when Vitinho left. They seemed to have a very good understanding with Brownhill running from deep, onto a ball from the right from Vitinho. He works hard for sure.

[The Shire Claret]

Just a coincidence then?

Okay.

He’s only ever played for us in the PL and I don’t hold him individually responsible for those relegations just like I don’t hold Nick Pope or Matty Lowton

[Newcastleclaret93]

He is on the radar of many and yet there are loons on here who can't see what he does for us.

Think pretty much everyone can see what he does for us.

He’s a terrier, covers a lot of ground and breaks up play. At this level he scores about 5-8 goals a season and gets a handful of assists.

However, we all know in the premier league he’s doesn’t have the physicality or technical ability to affect games.

We needed an upgrade on Brownhill the last three seasons we were in the prem.

[CnBtruntru]

He's scored 1 in 3 from midfield this season and is the only player to score more than 2 goals.

I think a number of PL sides would want him in their squad - he'll be available without a fee at the end of the season.

Not sure what the definition of not doing a lot is but 1 in 3 is not a bad return for a striker never mind a midfielder.

No point having positives

[Guller Bull]

Love Josh Brownhill and don't want him to go but If he has to go let it be Fiorentina. (my favourite Italian club) Couldn't blame him could ya?

[Awayfromburnley]

I am generally glass half full with our players. Gave Josh the benefit of the doubt in the Prem, thinking it was a tough league and not a great team he had .

Now he's in the Champ again I am of the opinion he's an average Championship midfielder. Nothing more. He's not a bad player but this thought he can do it in the Prem or Italy is nonsense. Likely agent talk. He's peaked and is now sadly declining.

[fatboy47]

Brownhill to West Ham smells like horsesh1t to me.

Mind you I recently pointed out that VK to Bayern was horsesh1t too.

[fidelcastro]

He’s only ever played for us in the PL and I don’t hold him individually responsible for those relegations just like I don’t hold Nick Pope or Matty Lowton

Me neither, but it is possible to stand out as decent in a bad side. For example, most of us would agree that Berge looked more than decent for us last season, hence the fact he got a move to another PL Club.

No one was saying the same about Brownhill that I can recall. He's one of those players I class as a decent championship standard player, but nothing more. I feel much the same way about the likes of Roberts and Cullen.

[ClaretPete001]

I’m not sure his goal return is a huge guide. He’d scored five in the first sixteen two seasons ago but only added two more, one on the last day of the season.

He only scored six goals in three and a half Premier League seasons but I really don’t think he’s a player who should be judged on his goalscoring.

It depends upon how you judge a player. Lyle Foster has scored 1 in 8 this season, 2 in 19 in the Championship and only 5 last season. Judged on goals he's not even a Championship striker.

Brownhill has scored 5 this season and four last. In our previous Championship campaign he scored 7 making him the Ist, 4th and 4th top scorer in the side in the last 3 seasons.

Prior to that, he was largely playing in a struggling 4-4-2. A number of PL sides play with 3 in central midfield and if I was a manager of one of those sides I think Josh Brownhill would be a useful addition to the squad both for his general play and his goal scoring ability. I think Sean Dyche would be interested as an addition to the squad to name one.

I can't sit here and argue with people who think he's not PL standard because it's a matter of opinion. Players like Brownhill, Cork and in previous times Dean Marney looked at their best when they were not playing because it was only then you realised how much they added to the team.

I don't think he is the same quality as Cork and Westwood but at the right price I think someone would snap him up but that's just an opinion. He has scored more than twice anyone else this season and that is indisputable fact, which is why I mention it.

[ClaretTony]

It depends upon how you judge a player. Lyle Foster has scored 1 in 8 this season, 2 in 19 in the Championship and only 5 last season. Judged on goals he's not even a Championship striker.

Brownhill has scored 5 this season and four last. In our previous Championship campaign he scored 7 making him the Ist, 4th and 4th top scorer in the side in the last 3 seasons.

Prior to that, he was largely playing in a struggling 4-4-2. A number of PL sides play with 3 in central midfield and if I was a manager of one of those sides I think Josh Brownhill would be a useful addition to the squad both for his general play and his goal scoring ability. I think Sean Dyche would be interested as an addition to the squad to name one.

I can't sit here and argue with people who think he's not PL standard because it's a matter of opinion. Players like Brownhill, Cork and in previous times Dean Marney looked at their best when they were not playing because it was only then you realised how much they added to the team.

I don't think he is the same quality as Cork and Westwood but at the right price I think someone would snap him up but that's just an opinion. He has scored more than twice anyone else this season and that is indisputable fact, which is why I mention it.

I think you have missed my point totally. And to bring Foster into it, a striker and a goalscorer, is somewhat bizarre.

[ClaretPete001]

I think you have missed my point totally. And to bring Foster into it, a striker and a goalscorer, is somewhat bizarre.

I think you have missed my point tbh.

Your point is that his goal scoring is not how he should be judged. And I agree, but my response to that is how do you judge a player like Brownhill in the PL or any other player for that matter? It's matter of opinion and some on here think he isn't good enough. I agree to an extent I'm not sure anyone would buy Brownhill to play in a 4-4-2 in the PL.

One metric you can use is goals scored because it is fact and not opinion. He can score goals so that for me would be something of interest to PL managers in addition to his general play. And if you counter with the argument that he hasn't scored goals as you seem to above then I cited Lyle Foster who is our centre forward as someone who hasn't scored as many as Brownhill.

So, my point is that whether Brownhill's general play is good enough for the PL is a matter of opinion but his ability to score goals gives him an extra dimension, which would possibly give him an edge over other players in certain teams who play in a certain way.

Makes perfect sense to me but no one has to agree.

[RVclaret]

Brownhill is a good pro, gets the club and seems very well liked by teammates. He’s athletic and works hard. His ball striking in and around the box is pretty good, hence why he gets a few goals. All very good traits. In terms of general ability, I’d say he’s fairly limited. Very rarely creates a chance, doesn’t carry the ball with dribbling at all and pass completion isn’t even great (you could let this off if he was creating or being progressive with his passing, but charts below suggest he isn’t). Current data shows he’s in the bottom quadrant vs his peers both for defensive ball winning (really poor here for % of duels won) and on the ball. I think there are quite a few better midfielders in this league but those aforementioned traits are also worth their weight.

[ClaretPete001]

Brownhill is a good pro, gets the club and seems very well liked by teammates. He’s athletic and works hard. His ball striking in and around the box is pretty good, hence why he gets a few goals. All very good traits. In terms of general ability, I’d say he’s fairly limited. Very rarely creates a chance, doesn’t carry the ball with dribbling at all and pass completion isn’t even great (you could let this off if he was creating or being progressive with his passing, but charts below suggest he isn’t). Current data shows he’s in the bottom quadrant vs his peers both for defensive ball winning (really poor here for % of duels won) and on the ball. I think there are quite a few better midfielders in this league but those aforementioned traits are also worth their weight.

Agreed, I can think that Sean Dyche for one might view him as cover for the Doucoure role at the right price. I know they are not the same kind of player but on a free he would be a good signing.

[IanMcL]

Think pretty much everyone can see what he does for us.

He’s a terrier, covers a lot of ground and breaks up play. At this level he scores about 5-8 goals a season and gets a handful of assists.

However, we all know in the premier league he’s doesn’t have the physicality or technical ability to affect games.

We needed an upgrade on Brownhill the last three seasons we were in the prem.

Except he is wanted by 2 or 3, maybe more Prem clubs!