Parker pre match v Bristol City

[NewClaret]

It's the bit where they are doing sprints in fours.

I’ve watched it about 16 times and I cannot see anyone with that hat running. Any chance you can tell me what second it is on the clip?

[ClaretPete001]

Re: Weghorst, BBC have his price as £12m:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/arti ... 7209po.amp

The thing I think is overlooked here, not specifically in your post but generally on this topic, is that the reported fees are often wrong (both ways) or contingent on certain basic success measures. It’s utter guesswork on our behalf because what is reported will vary wildly from what was ultimately paid.

Plus you have to factor loan fees which will have significantly reduced any losses. The fee for Amdouni was apparently £2m for example, which probably goes a good way to covering this summer’s instalment and would mean even if we sold him at break even next summer, we’d have made £2m overall.

What is clear is that ALK are going to pursue player trading as a means of generating capital and that will undoubtedly mean they make mistakes which they have done on a few. Their overall record of selling players for a profit (even ones not bought by them) is outstanding though. They have a miraculous track record when you throw the fees received for Cornet, Collins, McNeil & Pope in to the mix.

Big Vinny K also doesn’t mention O’Shea who I think was £8m profit.

I'm not really disagreeing with anyone just making the point that in Amdouni, Trafford, Tresor, Ramsay and Obafemi alone we have something like Eur76 million to be re-couped. We may get Eur 80 million or something considerably less who knows. And Weghorst was a sale this year.

No arguments from me except perhaps to make the point that describing the thread as being long on conjecture and in the same breath describing the business as 'miraculous' is a bit like having a huge plate of Christmas Pud and eating it yourself to give a festive twist to the oft used analogy.

[morninbob]

I’ve watched it about 16 times and I cannot see anyone with that hat running. Any chance you can tell me what second it is on the clip?

2.33
https://youtu.be/c8xp-J9cZxM?si=dmSm8dVt-1ap-Aqw

[NewClaret]

2.33
https://youtu.be/c8xp-J9cZxM?si=dmSm8dVt-1ap-Aqw

That explains it, I was looking at the 30 second summary on instagram

Wish they’d just post the whole lot on there, how are you supposed to know there’s more?

Thanks, appreciated.

[dougcollins]

I reckon it's like when Status Quo were on Top of the Pops and bass player Alan Lancaster appeared as a cardboard cut-out.

[KRBFC]

Yeh that’s the spirit….Parker 100% lied to all the press and fans.

Either that or he said that was Tresor was back in training and hopefully back available for selection in next couple of weeks and then either he’s had a set back or he’s just not fit enough or good enough to be selected for our bench yet.

But let’s go with the lying one as that makes most sense.

You really struggle with the English language. Please just stop quoting my posts, next time write a post yourself then quote it with your argument. Start an argument in an empty room.

[KRBFC]

I'm not really disagreeing with anyone just making the point that in Amdouni, Trafford, Tresor, Ramsay and Obafemi alone we have something like Eur76 million to be re-couped. We may get Eur 80 million or something considerably less who knows. And Weghorst was a sale this year.

No arguments from me except perhaps to make the point that describing the thread as being long on conjecture and in the same breath describing the business as 'miraculous' is a bit like having a huge plate of Christmas Pud and eating it yourself to give a festive twist to the oft used analogy.

Why do we have to recoup that money on those players specifically? Are we just ignoring the £25m profit on Odobert, £10m on O’Shea and £10m on Berge? £8m on Muric? £7m on Anass, £5m on AAD.

[Goliath]

First and foremost, the idea that the only available games are U21 games is plain wrong. We will regularly play behind closed door friendlies regularly. We've regularly used them to rehabilitate injured players over the last decade.

Secondly, this idea he's just getting fit to move in January is implausible. This is a bloke who by then has been out for 12 months and has had a serious illness. His best chance of getting a move to the sort of club who would attract him (if that is indeed that is what he wants, which we don't actually know) is to play games and show his quality. Otherwise he's just perceived as a massive fitness risk. It's also incompatible with the fact he's fully integrated with the first team in all photographs- any player who was refusing to play would probably be training on his own.

Still no sign. When are you expecting him to make an appearance out of interest. At a guess there's about 6 games before the transfer window opens.

Redmond was out with a knee injury for a year and has already made more bench appearance than Tresor

[claretspice]

Still no sign. When are you expecting him to make an appearance out of interest. At a guess there's about 6 games before the transfer window opens.

Redmond was out with a knee injury for a year and has already made more bench appearance than Tresor

I don't know and I'm not guessing about when or if he'll play. That's sort of my point.

But leaving aside Redmond was not out for a year, his circumstances are clearly completely different to Tresor and therefore the comparison is irrelevant.

[morninbob]

I don't know and I'm not guessing about when or if he'll play. That's sort of my point.

But leaving aside Redmond was not out for a year, his circumstances are clearly completely different to Tresor and therefore the comparison is irrelevant.

Redmond's last appearance was boxing day, so 11 months.

[NewClaret]

Why do we have to recoup that money on those players specifically? Are we just ignoring the £25m profit on Odobert, £10m on O’Shea and £10m on Berge? £8m on Muric? £7m on Anass, £5m on AAD.

We don’t have to and Alan Pace won’t lose a moments sleep if one of the players loses money if the majority make the substantial profits you reference.

It’s like all investments. Some go up, some go down and since his whole career has been in that space he’ll be very comfortable with that.

He’ll also probably know that the best way to recover a declined assets value is not to sell at a low but give it time to recover. Or loan it to recover fees (which is not too dissimilar to short selling).

It’s a much bigger deal to fans than it will be to him, I think.

[Goliath]

I don't know and I'm not guessing about when or if he'll play. That's sort of my point.

But leaving aside Redmond was not out for a year, his circumstances are clearly completely different to Tresor and therefore the comparison is irrelevant.

It was an estimate, you'd mentioned Tresor being out for a year which was miles out so I'd presumed we could put whatever time frame we wanted tbh.
Tresor appeared close to the end of the season off the bench so he was fit in June. Therefore I make it that he was out with health issues for approximately 3 months (July to September)

[claretspice]

It was an estimate, you'd mentioned Tresor being out for a year which was miles out so I'd presumed we could put whatever time frame we wanted tbh.
Tresor appeared close to the end of the season off the bench so he was fit in June. Therefore I make it that he was out with health issues for approximately 3 months (July to September)

I don't think I did suggest Tresor had been out with illness for 12 months at all. I think you've got the wrong end of the stick there. It is 12 months though since he featured regularly - AND for a good chunk of that he has been ill. But in any event I'm not sure we should guess at the duration of anyone's health issues, nor their impact on the person. And the comparison with Redmond remains irrelevant.

[Blyclaret]

Its simple … as a team and a business we need to get rid of Foster … Tresor and Benson. Not viable in a team or business. They must go and replacements brought into enchance the team and have a resale value.

[Goliath]

I don't think I did suggest Tresor had been out with illness for 12 months at all. I think you've got the wrong end of the stick there. It is 12 months though since he featured regularly - AND for a good chunk of that he has been ill. But in any event I'm not sure we should guess at the duration of anyone's health issues, nor their impact on the person. And the comparison with Redmond remains irrelevant.

I was using your exact words which were 'This is a bloke who by then has been out for 12 months', which isn't true by any metric.

Anyway, we aren't really getting anywhere, I just think thr club has known for a while he won't be playing for us but have continued to make comments to the contrary in the media which I find pretty poor. You can't just spend that amount of money at a club like ours and just sweep it under the carpet hoping it will go away.

[claretspice]

I was using your exact words which were 'This is a bloke who by then has been out for 12 months', which isn't true by any metric.

Anyway, we aren't really getting anywhere, I just think thr club has known for a while he won't be playing for us but have continued to make comments to the contrary in the media which I find pretty poor. You can't just spend that amount of money at a club like ours and just sweep it under the carpet hoping it will go away.

Happy to accept that the post in question could have been clearer. Hasn't played regularly would have been more accurate than 'has been out'. But all points made remain valid. You're promoting a theory that is at odds with all messages from the club, without evidence.

[Goliath]

Happy to accept that the post in question could have been clearer. Hasn't played regularly would have been more accurate than 'has been out'. But all points made remain valid. You're promoting a theory that is at odds with all messages from the club, without evidence.

The evidence seems to be staring us in the face.

[jedi_master]

Didn’t want to start a new thread on Tresor, but noticeable he is heavily being used by the club to promote a new clothing range today (‘Blackout’ - looks naff, but there we go). Interesting?

[fidelcastro]

Didn’t want to start a new thread on Tresor, but noticeable he is heavily being used by the club to promote a new clothing range today (‘Blackout’ - looks naff, but there we go). Interesting?

He has to earn his wages somehow!

[hoosier-daddy]

Didn’t want to start a new thread on Tresor, but noticeable he is heavily being used by the club to promote a new clothing range today (‘Blackout’ - looks naff, but there we go). Interesting?

He's just putting himself in the shop window..

[Goliath]

Didn’t want to start a new thread on Tresor, but noticeable he is heavily being used by the club to promote a new clothing range today (‘Blackout’ - looks naff, but there we go). Interesting?

Just adds to the feeling of having the wool being pulled over our eyes. You can't use him as one of your big marketing tools and then not communicate why he still doesn't seem to be close to to an appearance after being in training for about 9 weeks

[NewClaret]

Didn’t want to start a new thread on Tresor, but noticeable he is heavily being used by the club to promote a new clothing range today (‘Blackout’ - looks naff, but there we go). Interesting?

I’ve no idea what’s going on now

Does seem a bit crazy to have a player advertising hear that you expect to leave in January, no?