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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by taio » Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:54 pm

Raconteur wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:49 pm
Apologies for that. I must have misunderstood what you meant. I was sure that I read you thought fans were not blindsided by the results
I said they aren't just blindsided by the results. Obviously the results to date have a substantial bearing on those who are backing him.
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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by taio » Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:57 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:52 pm
If that's the case why wasn't our league position as important with kompany when we was pretty much staring down the barrel. It's all finance related we are still in contention on a league position basis but hardly anybodys got any real faith or conviction in promotion.
Two very different leagues and therefore expectations. But plenty of people wanted Kompany out in the end.

I can't comment on the faith and conviction of other people in regards promotion.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:58 pm

taio wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:57 pm
Two very different leagues and therefore expectations. But plenty of people wanted Kompany out in the end.

I can't comment on the faith and conviction of other people in regards promotion.
You can't but the posts tell that story.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by taio » Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:01 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:58 pm
You can't but the posts tell that story.
I suppose it's not easy to tell because there are half a dozen or more teams that could be in close contention.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by kentonclaret » Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:10 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:05 pm
Up front - have Sheffield United or Leeds got anything stronger than Foster, Flemming, JRod & Hountondji though?
It will require a major shift in fortunes for the 4 strikers named to score 15 goals this season. I mean between them not individually. Questions already raised on this forum as to whether JRod will be even fit enough to play against Coventry given his exertions on Saturday. Piroe has scored 6 thus far and the 4 players you have listed have a grand total of 3 between them.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by NewClaret » Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:24 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:10 pm
It will require a major shift in fortunes for the 4 strikers named to score 15 goals this season. I mean between them not individually. Questions already raised on this forum as to whether JRod will be even fit enough to play against Coventry given his exertions on Saturday. Piroe has scored 6 thus far and the 4 players you have listed have a grand total of 3 between them.
Maybe so, because Leeds themselves are a) a settled team having had a full pre-season and a manager working with them for a while, and b) are playing some decent expansive football.

I’m not convinced that Piroe would improve us and I’m certain Bamford wouldn’t. And I don’t even know who they have beyond those two. So from a depth point of view I wouldn’t be swapping forward lines.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by NewClaret » Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:30 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:36 pm
Parker acknowledges it himself and he's not daft. My genuine concern is what we've seen too often is exactly what we've heard from supporters of his previous clubs, my hope/blind faith is that he has learned from those experiences and will make us more progressive . I really like guy and want him to be successful and have longevity with us but for my personal taste in the sport it has to be more entertaining. I'd rather win 5-4 than 1-0 :D

I hope the board can rectify the demise in quality in some positions in January and help him out.
You might also lose 3-4 that way though Vegas :D

I see your point, and I hope you’re right that he does what most people do in their career and learn from their mistakes and develop a more attractive brand of football. I hope he can read the room anyway.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:37 pm

taio wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:01 pm
I suppose it's not easy to tell because there are half a dozen or more teams that could be in close contention.
I'm missing other teams forum posts calling for wilder & farkes head etc & constantly being negative about their manager. The general overwhelming consensus regarding the fans of other teams in & around us seem to be a picture of contentment we seem to be on our own in that respect.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by taio » Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:49 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:37 pm
I'm missing other teams forum posts calling for wilder & farkes head etc & constantly being negative about their manager. The general overwhelming consensus regarding the fans of other teams in & around us seem to be a picture of contentment we seem to be on our own in that respect.
I don't go on forums of other clubs so can't comment. Although recently there were calls for Farke to be sacked.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:51 pm

taio wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:49 pm
I don't go on forums of other clubs so can't comment. Although recently there were calls for Farke to be sacked.
That's true & seemingly it had the desired effect.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by taio » Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:53 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:51 pm
That's true & seemingly it had the desired effect.
So not on our own

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:55 pm

taio wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:53 pm
So not on our own
Right now we are because as it currently stands the 2 respective fanbases couldn't be happier with their managers.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by kentonclaret » Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:59 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:24 pm
Maybe so, because Leeds themselves are a) a settled team having had a full pre-season and a manager working with them for a while, and b) are playing some decent expansive football.

I’m not convinced that Piroe would improve us and I’m certain Bamford wouldn’t. And I don’t even know who they have beyond those two. So from a depth point of view I wouldn’t be swapping forward lines.
You keep mentioning Bamford who hardly gets any game time given the array of attacking talent at Farke’s disposal. Aside from Piroe, strikers Aaronson, Gnonto, Ramazani, Mateo Joseph and on-loan winger Solomon have all netted at least twice for Leeds this season.
Flemming had one decent scoring season when at Millwall but doesn’t really measure up to the scoring exploits of Piroe in the Championship for either Swansea or Leeds.
You couldn’t be more wrong in assuming that Leeds don’t have any depth in their attacking department.
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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by Rick_Muller » Mon Nov 25, 2024 9:01 pm

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by taio » Mon Nov 25, 2024 9:01 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:55 pm
Right now we are because as it currently stands the 2 respective fanbases couldn't be happier with their managers.
I wouldn't have a clue if we are the only club in the Championship who has a minority of its supporters wanting the manager sacked. I would very much doubt it but you may know different.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Nov 25, 2024 9:04 pm

taio wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 9:01 pm
I wouldn't have a clue if we are the only club in the Championship who has a minority of its supporters wanting the manager sacked. I would very much doubt it but you may know different.
Come on it's a significant minority it's a constant theme I can't remember a single game that goes by without scathing comments & that's on the back of victories. If you can't see something is clearly wrong you are in denial.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by taio » Mon Nov 25, 2024 9:07 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 9:04 pm
Come on it's a significant minority it's a constant theme I can't remember a single game that goes by without scathing comments & that's on the back of victories. If you can't see something is clearly wrong you are in denial.
I'm clear that there are people on this messageboard that want Parker to go. They don't like his style of play and don't believe that will change. Not sure what your point is and your purpose of replying to me.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Nov 25, 2024 9:08 pm

taio wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 9:07 pm
I'm clear that there are people on this messageboard that want Parker to go. They don't like his style of play and don't believe that will change. Not sure what your point is and your purpose of replying to me.
You are right the purpose is futile.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by Big Vinny K » Mon Nov 25, 2024 9:18 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 6:16 pm
That it is, so to take our personal opinions out of it, if you go off squad valuations on transfermarkt just as an external, unbiased perspective of squad strength, this is their view:

Burnley - €187m
Leeds - €174m
Sheff U - €89m

Now there’s some very questionable valuations of players in those lists for every team, but as a general external perspective I think it’s as close as we’ll get without debating every player/position.

To be honest, my view is us vs Sheff U is probably a fair reflection on the gap in squad depth. I’d view Leeds as closer but a bit further apart than transfermarkt suggest.

Either way, I don’t think that external view supports they have far superior squads. I can accept with our injuries there is an argument they currently have stronger starting elevens.

I’d love a comparison of the three teams squads by premier league appearances and international caps if anyone can easily access that info.

We’ll know more when we’ve played them both twice!

As stated, I’m a big fan of Parker but I can’t subscribe to any notion that he has inferior squad to those guys or the rest of the division. It’s the strongest or a close second. He’s immensely lucky to have the players he does and I think given time we’ll start to see the strength of our squad pay dividends.
Firstly I think the squad valuations you are referring to are more than questionable.

Personally as we stand I think we have the weakest strike force between ourselves, Leeds and Sheff United and I’d potentially add a couple of other teams into that such as Boro.

Even if you think the relative squad valuations are correct (i don’t) how much of our squad is not playing due to injuries ? It’s got to be at least half of whatever the correct valuation would be….and I’m not sure we will see most of them kick a ball for us this season so it’s not even about squad depth if they have little or no chance of playing.

Where I do believe we may have an advantage cover most of the league is our ability to strengthen in January. It will hopefully mean we can push on and be in with a good shout of competing for automatic promotion. From what I have see so far there is no outstanding single team and I cannot see any one team breaking away from the pack. It explains why out of all the games played by the top 6 teams so far almost half of them have been drawn or lost.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by houseboy » Mon Nov 25, 2024 9:31 pm

taio wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:13 pm
An obvious point about a few defeats in a short period.

I don't believe that those who are prepared to give him time are simply blindsided by the results - I've read many such people acknowledge the performances and entertainment have been lacking, but they believe giving time is important.
Just wondering how you get ‘blindsided’ by results. Football is a results based game. It’s all that matters in the end. Of course if the results keep coming people will be fairly content to say the least. If the results stop then people will complain, regardless of style, it’s natural.
The problem I’ve seen is people first off thinking Parker would fail (or hoped he would) and now that patently hasn’t happened the tack has changed to the Championship is very poor this year. I’d love someone to explain how that conclusion has been arrived at. Maybe someone can explain why the Championship is poor this season. Why? Was the Championship not poorer two years ago when we walked it without breaking sweat?
Just a thought.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by taio » Mon Nov 25, 2024 9:36 pm

houseboy wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 9:31 pm
Just wondering how you get ‘blindsided’ by results. Football is a results based game. It’s all that matters in the end. Of course if the results keep coming people will be fairly content to say the least. If the results stop then people will complain, regardless of style, it’s natural.
The problem I’ve seen is people first off thinking Parker would fail (or hoped he would) and now that patently hasn’t happened the tack has changed to the Championship is very poor this year. I’d love someone to explain how that conclusion has been arrived at. Maybe someone can explain why the Championship is poor this season. Why? Was the Championship not poorer two years ago when we walked it without breaking sweat?
Just a thought.
You're better asking the person who said it originally

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by houseboy » Mon Nov 25, 2024 9:42 pm

taio wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 9:36 pm
You're better asking the person who said it originally
I’m glad you replied. It gives me the opportunity to say sorry. The first part of my post clumsily appears to be having a dig at you, I wasn’t. Apologies if it appears that way, and it does. I saw it myself after I posted it.
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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by houseboy » Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:19 pm

Raconteur wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:40 pm
That's due to the points we have. If we took the points away and just had the performances, I think less time would be given.
If you took our points away and we were playing like Barcelona on speed less time would be given. It’s a bit like saying if we stopped breathing we’d die.
Was it Monty Python where they talked about having a degree in ‘stating the bleeding obvious’?

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by dsr » Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:36 pm

I suppose for Alan Pace, results are everything. If we don't get promotion this season or next, we will have a club with £20m income and £10m interest per annum, so in effect the club will be bankrupt and he will have no reason to stay on.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by NewClaret » Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:42 pm

Big Vinny K wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 9:18 pm
Firstly I think the squad valuations you are referring to are more than questionable.

Personally as we stand I think we have the weakest strike force between ourselves, Leeds and Sheff United and I’d potentially add a couple of other teams into that such as Boro.

Even if you think the relative squad valuations are correct (i don’t) how much of our squad is not playing due to injuries ? It’s got to be at least half of whatever the correct valuation would be….and I’m not sure we will see most of them kick a ball for us this season so it’s not even about squad depth if they have little or no chance of playing.

Where I do believe we may have an advantage cover most of the league is our ability to strengthen in January. It will hopefully mean we can push on and be in with a good shout of competing for automatic promotion. From what I have see so far there is no outstanding single team and I cannot see any one team breaking away from the pack. It explains why out of all the games played by the top 6 teams so far almost half of them have been drawn or lost.
They’re quite clearly not accurate, but my point was they’re presumably calculated in a consistent way and therefore a fair representation of the respective squads overall. What I was challenging is warks’ comment that they have “far superior” squads and I disagree with that.

So you would honestly swap Piroe and Bamford for our four? Or Tyrese Campbell for our four? Beyond those guys who tend to start for them I don’t even know who they have. Anyway, I definitely wouldn’t, but I guess that’s subjective.

Your last point - the very fact we’re two points off top having played 16 games with arguably 10 starters (but definite Matchday squad players) out permanently or for a lot of games underlines my whole point that our squad is unbelievably strong. 11 if you include Sarmiento who’s suffered from the million international breaks and knocks.

I don’t think if Leeds or Sheff U had 10-11 first teamers out that they’d have fared so well which is why, overall, there’s not a single squad in the division I’d swap ours for.

I don’t understand your point re: nose of them not kicking a ball for us this season:

Foster - not too far off according to Parker
Flemming - not heard but hopefully not season ending
Ramsey - expect him to play when fit (new year)
Redmond - on the bench last week
Ekdal - back in training
Tresor - training and supposedly close to being selectable but who knows
Benson - who knows, question marks there but has been rumoured to be off several times and hadn’t left yet
Delcroix - back in training
Worrall - back in training
Beyer - agree we won’t see him

There might be some who fancy Jan moves if they don’t think they get straight back in the team (Ekdal, Delcroix, Tresor if he wants out + Beyer out) but I’d expect to see the majority of that injury list feature for us again this year. And of course any exits will free up wages/funds to replace them as well, you’d expect.

Agree on your point that we’ll be best placed to add in January and also that we’ll see just how ambitious ALK are then. To your point, there’s no stand out candidates at the moment (though I expect us to get better as the season goes on and injured players return) so we should take that as an opportunity to be ambitious and give ourselves the players to get the job done.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by NewClaret » Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:44 pm

dsr wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:36 pm
I suppose for Alan Pace, results are everything. If we don't get promotion this season or next, we will have a club with £20m income and £10m interest per annum, so in effect the club will be bankrupt and he will have no reason to stay on.
That is assuming the debt levels remain what they were and the £100m+ of sales in summer did not contribute to reducing it. And that further sales of players like Traff and Esteve wouldn’t reduce it further still.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by dsr » Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:53 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:44 pm
That is assuming the debt levels remain what they were and the £100m+ of sales in summer did not contribute to reducing it. And that further sales of players like Traff and Esteve wouldn’t reduce it further still.
Yes, there is an alternative that we have a team full of free transfers and players we can't sell. But I can't see any chance that we will have a competitive club in 2026-27 unless we get promoted within 2 years.

What I don't like about the style of play at present is that we are having to endure a deadly dull season so far, in hopes that we will get promoted in order to struggle at the bottom of the PL. And if we play in the PL like we do here, how dull is that going to be? Admittedly having international breaks doesn't help, but it's now 9 weeks since we last saw a goal other than a penalty at Turf Moor. It's normally summer when we get a period like that with no goals.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by NewClaret » Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:56 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:59 pm
You keep mentioning Bamford who hardly gets any game time given the array of attacking talent at Farke’s disposal. Aside from Piroe, strikers Aaronson, Gnonto, Ramazani, Mateo Joseph and on-loan winger Solomon have all netted at least twice for Leeds this season.
Flemming had one decent scoring season when at Millwall but doesn’t really measure up to the scoring exploits of Piroe in the Championship for either Swansea or Leeds.
You couldn’t be more wrong in assuming that Leeds don’t have any depth in their attacking department.
Fair point about Joseph, had forgotten about him. I think the rest are all wingers, aren’t they?

I was talking about out and out strikers which everyone says we need. Of which we have four and I think Leeds have 3. Or maybe really we have 3 each if we say Flemming is a 10.

Fair point about Piroe’s record it is stronger than Flemming’s. I’m never particularly impressed when I see him play though, but he does have a good record so maybe you argue he’s better than what we have. But still struggling to say I’d swap.



I think I’m right in saying that

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by NewClaret » Mon Nov 25, 2024 11:33 pm

dsr wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:53 pm
Yes, there is an alternative that we have a team full of free transfers and players we can't sell. But I can't see any chance that we will have a competitive club in 2026-27 unless we get promoted within 2 years.

What I don't like about the style of play at present is that we are having to endure a deadly dull season so far, in hopes that we will get promoted in order to struggle at the bottom of the PL. And if we play in the PL like we do here, how dull is that going to be? Admittedly having international breaks doesn't help, but it's now 9 weeks since we last saw a goal other than a penalty at Turf Moor. It's normally summer when we get a period like that with no goals.
I was meaning that we’ve quite likely reduced debt significantly so probably won’t have such high interest payments, with some big players to sell (Amdouni, Esteve, Trafford). And we have one more year of the reduced parachutes, I think. It’s a moot point though, we’ll be financially ****ed if we don’t get up, I agree.

You comments about style are good ones not really covered in this debate. I’m personally at peace with using this season to try to find some stability, re-shape the squad, maybe find a better balance of “men” and “the five players that will be with us on the journey” and young exciting talents. I can live through a season of more boring football and tight results lacking goals if we get up. I suppose I’ve not really thought so far ahead as you.

For all Kompany’s failings (and I said this a lot last year), the drubbings and woeful finishing, I still found us exciting to watch. Getting beaten playing more boring football doesn’t sound so attractive, you’re right.

I suppose we have to hope our style evolves as the season goes on and we reach a more happy balance of goals and entertainment and if we managed to pull it off, next season would require another huge investment to stay up. I just hope we’ve learned our lesson and would go for fewer more expensive signings to add the quality we’d need to make a better fist of it.

But overall, I think this is always going to be our problem in the premier league - if we play expansive stuff we get smashed. If we play anti-football we also all get board in the end and possibly still go down anyway. Your point sort of leads to a bigger question of how on earth we might establish ourselves at that level without major investment ALK can’t afford.

Your pre season/goals point made me :lol: :lol:
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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by Cooclaret » Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:22 am

What about the Anti Alan Pace agenda?

Same people, shout loudest, about nothing!

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by burnley007 » Tue Nov 26, 2024 8:50 am

Cooclaret wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:22 am
What about the Anti Alan Pace agenda?

Same people, shout loudest, about nothing!
so it's the same people who want Parker out, who want Pace out?

Nonsense. I like Pace and he has got most things bang on, until he hired Parker out of nowhere.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by Hipper » Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:00 am

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I’m certainly not against them as Parker jackets are a fantastic choice for winter wear because they combine warmth, practicality, and style. Their insulated design, often featuring synthetic fill or down, provides excellent protection against cold temperatures, making them ideal for harsh winters. The added length and adjustable features, such as drawstring waists and snug cuffs, help trap heat and block out icy winds. Additionally, the hood—frequently lined with fur or faux fur trim—offers extra defense against the elements, shielding your face from wind and snow.

Beyond their functionality, parker jackets are highly versatile and fashionable. They come in various colors and styles, making them suitable for everything from outdoor adventures to casual urban outings. With plenty of spacious pockets, they’re also incredibly practical for carrying essentials. A parka’s blend of comfort, durability, and aesthetic appeal makes it a reliable and stylish wardrobe staple for cold-weather seasons.
According to ClaretTony Parker jackets are £4,200 so they should be all those things (if I was clever I could use this as a metaphor for Parker's team, but I'm not clever!).
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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by Hipper » Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:08 am

New Claret, on finance you may be forgetting that we have some commitments to buy players, like Humphreys and maybe others.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by kentonclaret » Tue Nov 26, 2024 10:03 am

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:56 pm
Fair point about Joseph, had forgotten about him. I think the rest are all wingers, aren’t they?

I was talking about out and out strikers which everyone says we need. Of which we have four and I think Leeds have 3. Or maybe really we have 3 each if we say Flemming is a 10.

Fair point about Piroe’s record it is stronger than Flemming’s. I’m never particularly impressed when I see him play though, but he does have a good record so maybe you argue he’s better than what we have. But still struggling to say I’d swap.



I think I’m right in saying that
Please drop the fixation that you have with Bamford. He has appeared just 6 times for Leeds this season, has no goals or assists to his name and wasn’t even called from the bench against Swansea. When talking about strikers we just need somebody who is going to stick the ball in the back of the net consistently and not just score a goal every 7/8 games. The leading scorer in the Championship currently is Borja Sainz with 11 goals who is classed as a left winger. The fact that Brownhill is still our leading scorer with 5 goals after 16 games says it all really.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by Raconteur » Tue Nov 26, 2024 11:08 am

houseboy wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:19 pm
If you took our points away and we were playing like Barcelona on speed less time would be given. It’s a bit like saying if we stopped breathing we’d die.
Was it Monty Python where they talked about having a degree in ‘stating the bleeding obvious’?
No s**t ! That's clever of you to realise. I was obviously playing "Captain Obvious"

It was a misunderstanding between myself and Taio. I mistakenly thought they implied that the results were have had this season had no bearing on the support Parker was receiving..
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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by ClaretPete001 » Tue Nov 26, 2024 11:54 am

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 11:33 pm
I was meaning that we’ve quite likely reduced debt significantly so probably won’t have such high interest payments, with some big players to sell (Amdouni, Esteve, Trafford). And we have one more year of the reduced parachutes, I think. It’s a moot point though, we’ll be financially ****ed if we don’t get up, I agree.

You comments about style are good ones not really covered in this debate. I’m personally at peace with using this season to try to find some stability, re-shape the squad, maybe find a better balance of “men” and “the five players that will be with us on the journey” and young exciting talents. I can live through a season of more boring football and tight results lacking goals if we get up. I suppose I’ve not really thought so far ahead as you.

For all Kompany’s failings (and I said this a lot last year), the drubbings and woeful finishing, I still found us exciting to watch. Getting beaten playing more boring football doesn’t sound so attractive, you’re right.

I suppose we have to hope our style evolves as the season goes on and we reach a more happy balance of goals and entertainment and if we managed to pull it off, next season would require another huge investment to stay up. I just hope we’ve learned our lesson and would go for fewer more expensive signings to add the quality we’d need to make a better fist of it.

But overall, I think this is always going to be our problem in the premier league - if we play expansive stuff we get smashed. If we play anti-football we also all get board in the end and possibly still go down anyway. Your point sort of leads to a bigger question of how on earth we might establish ourselves at that level without major investment ALK can’t afford.

Your pre season/goals point made me :lol: :lol:
We also spent Eur 50 million in the summer and incurred lots of agent fees etc, which I'm not sure is included in the transfer fees quoted on the internet.

We are also likely to lose £30 million or so this season as we did in the Championship last time because we have 36 or so decent contracts to support.

But as you say it is mute. It's PL or bust, which I think puts a lot of pressure on Parker.

I'm struggling to agree with you on strikers. Flemming has scored reasonably consistently and at a decent level but Foster and Hountondjii haven't...! And Jay Rod looks leggy albeit he made such a difference on Saturday.

I also think Foster looks more of an Andre Grey type player when we need a Barnes, a younger Jay Rod or a Chris Wood to lead the line, rough up the opposition and give us aerial threat in the box. If Flemming and Foster can play in the same team then that maybe the winning formula but what looks good on paper is not much use on the treatment table.

The sword of Damocles rests upon Parker's shoulder, but I agree with you pragmatic ugly football based upon solid fundamentals is the way forward and from that perspective Parker is going in the right direction.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by GetIntoEm » Tue Nov 26, 2024 12:42 pm

Hipper wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:00 am
According to ClaretTony Parker jackets are £4,200 so they should be all those things (if I was clever I could use this as a metaphor for Parker's team, but I'm not clever!).
you cant underestimate the investment in a decent jacket or coat though, i spent £1600 on one last winter and it'll easy get me through this winter too.

£4200 is out of my reach however

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by dsr » Tue Nov 26, 2024 1:31 pm

GetIntoEm wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2024 12:42 pm
you cant underestimate the investment in a decent jacket or coat though, i spent £1600 on one last winter and it'll easy get me through this winter too.

£4200 is out of my reach however
A £1,600 coat will last a lifetime, surely. Even BFC Castore don't charge that!

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by ClaretPete001 » Tue Nov 26, 2024 2:51 pm

dsr wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2024 1:31 pm
A £1,600 coat will last a lifetime, surely. Even BFC Castore don't charge that!
A £1600 coat would last me a lifetime because if my Mrs came to me and said I've spent £1600 on a coat for you I'd probably die of shock.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by NewClaret » Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:59 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2024 10:03 am
Please drop the fixation that you have with Bamford. He has appeared just 6 times for Leeds this season, has no goals or assists to his name and wasn’t even called from the bench against Swansea. When talking about strikers we just need somebody who is going to stick the ball in the back of the net consistently and not just score a goal every 7/8 games. The leading scorer in the Championship currently is Borja Sainz with 11 goals who is classed as a left winger. The fact that Brownhill is still our leading scorer with 5 goals after 16 games says it all really.
I’m really not sure why you’re saying I have a ‘fixation’ on Bamford when replying to a post that doesn’t even mention him? It’s you that seems to be fixated :lol: :lol:

In that case we need goalscorers, which I agree with, not necessarily a striker. My point is I wouldn’t swap our strikers for those in other teams. I am not saying I wouldn’t strengthen further in that area but I think what we have is excellent for this league.

Although I am a firm believer goals should come from every position bar the GK. Everyone should chip in more and see it as their role to get goals.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed Nov 27, 2024 9:55 am

I was talking to Pete last night who runs the stall outside Turkish best.
He says he just can't sell any scarves with Scott Parker on, unlike previous managers.

So can all you Scotty Parker fans nip down and buy one to even it up.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by Elizabeth » Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:02 am

I’ve never seen it as an Anti-Parker Agenda. Just a few fans that every club have complaining. Luckily this forum is not representative of general attitudes and viewpoints. Even though I think it’s a good medium for many to release things.
There is an enormous amount of support for Parker and I think it has always been there. It just feels stronger now after a few wins.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by Mattster » Wed Nov 27, 2024 3:12 pm

Mattster wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 11:53 am
Bristol City was an improvement without being great, if Parker can build on it then brilliant. However, we have yet to follow through on any improvements made, tending to see one step forward followed by a step back in the next match.

I've yet to be convinced to change my mind about Parker, but that's not to say I won't be if he defies my expectations.
No step back last night. We got numbers in the box again. Still improvements to be made but that's two good performances on the bounce which is great.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by Hibsclaret » Wed Nov 27, 2024 4:28 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2024 9:55 am
I was talking to Pete last night who runs the stall outside Turkish best.
He says he just can't sell any scarves with Scott Parker on, unlike previous managers.

So can all you Scotty Parker fans nip down and buy one to even it up.
Ask him to stock some Scotty knitwear and jackets. They should fly off the stalls at between 1k and 5k a pop.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by Spijed » Wed Nov 27, 2024 4:40 pm

Out of interest, who is the designer that can persuade people to part with over £4k for the jacket he wears?

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by pushpinpussy » Wed Nov 27, 2024 4:43 pm

Are people really having this conversation. 2nd in league. Best ever defensive record in the championship at this time of the season and we’ve not even hit 1st gear yet. Those complaining really are sad individuals.
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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by Poulton-le-Claret » Wed Nov 27, 2024 4:52 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2024 9:55 am
I was talking to Pete last night who runs the stall outside Turkish best.
He says he just can't sell any scarves with Scott Parker on, unlike previous managers.

So can all you Scotty Parker fans nip down and buy one to even it up.
Getting cold out now so he might shift a few more soon :D

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by aggi » Wed Nov 27, 2024 4:56 pm

Mattster wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2024 3:12 pm
No step back last night. We got numbers in the box again. Still improvements to be made but that's two good performances on the bounce which is great.
Noticeable that when we scored we had 5 players in the box (maybe more) and similar for quite a few other chances. I've rarely seen us actually attack in such numbers this season.

From the way Worral pointed it out multiple times it had the feeling of something that was being worked on in training recently.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by summitclaret » Wed Nov 27, 2024 5:05 pm

aggi wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2024 4:56 pm
Noticeable that when we scored we had 5 players in the box (maybe more) and similar for quite a few other chances. I've rarely seen us actually attack in such numbers this season.

From the way Worral pointed it out multiple times it had the feeling of something that was being worked on in training recently.
Correct, although it's not exactly rocket science, especially as we have had trouble scoring since game 2.

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Re: Anti Parker Agenda

Post by AfloatinClaret » Wed Nov 27, 2024 6:09 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2024 9:04 pm
Come on it's a significant minority it's a constant theme...
Sorry to disillusion you Jakub, but this message board as a whole is only a 'small minority' of the Burnley fanbase, therefore those calling for SP's head on here are a tiny one... Even allowing for your (more important than most) opinion can't raise that minority to anywhere near 'significant'. :lol:

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