Atmosphere

[dvalley69]

Spot on. I get a sense of lots of people sitting on their sofas being critical of people like myself having spent my evening actually supporting from the stands.

Many people live abroad on here, I'm sure you're aware of that, too.

[IanMcL]

Boring football with no attempts on goal. Crowd snoozes.

Lots of shots and crosses oooh aaah applause.

[Mark the Claret]

I’m sorry, but from my seat in the Bob Lord, I thought the singing was louder than usual.

It wasn't that bad, it's only people who didn't attend that are moaning.

[cockneyclaret]

I wish they would allow walk on's back in the cricketfield.. or at least put in more safe standing area's

[jrgbfc]

Not convinced to be honest.

Awful attendance tonight and atmosphere to match.

Club should be doing much more to boost attendances.

Been saying it since summer but the walk on prices are mental. 35-40 quid last night for a pretty unappealing game on a freezing cold night that was on TV. Think there's plenty of season ticket holders giving the skysports + games a miss as well.

[Row x]

Unbelievable that anyone would complain about the football tonight, just as good as what was offered up under VK 2 seasons back. The only reason anyone could think it was boring is because we made it look so comfortable. Awful support, entitled bunch and just so expectant of 3 points.

Nothing to complain about at all, an easy 2.0 win, 9 points out of 9 and second in the league.

I go to games wanting Burnley to win, anything else is a bonus

All these people wanting "entertainment" would probably have been happy with us losing 3.4, but at least they were entertained

I wonder what man city fans would give for a couple of easy 2.0 wins at the moment

[MrTopTier]

Nothing to complain about at all, an easy 2.0 win, 9 points out of 9 and second in the league.

I go to games wanting Burnley to win, anything else is a bonus

All these people wanting "entertainment" would probably have been happy with us losing 3.4, but at least they were entertained

I wonder what man city fans would give for a couple of easy 2.0 wins at the moment

In the last 15 games we have scored 12 and conceded 5. It works, it’s effective and it is what it is, nobody wants to see us lose, but I would suggest that the number of empty seats at the game last night has something to do with the fact that we are more pragmatic than entertaining.

[Woodleyclaret]

Sky+ is killing attendances especially on a cold November night.Those that were on witnessed a cracking goal for CJ.

[Row x]

In the last 15 games we have scored 12 and conceded 5. It works, it’s effective and it is what it is, nobody wants to see us lose, but I would suggest that the number of empty seats at the game last night has something to do with the fact that we are more pragmatic than entertaining.

I think the empty seats are more to do with the fact you can now watch the evening games on TV

[claretonthecoast1882]

Been saying it since summer but the walk on prices are mental. 35-40 quid last night for a pretty unappealing game on a freezing cold night that was on TV. Think there's plenty of season ticket holders giving the skysports + games a miss as well.

What price would you say is the right price for a Tuesday night game against Coventry to entice those who don't go on to make it attractive for them to consider ?

I don't imagine there is any club in the country that decides on pricing due to the temperature either.

[dandeclaret]

And very predictable

If you didn’t enjoy last night and thought it was predictable, then football is probably not the sport for you. That was a very good performance, with good movement, inventiveness and total control.

If you think it was boring or predictable, then you’re unlikely to be happy watching Burnley.

[claretonthecoast1882]

If you didn’t enjoy last night and thought it was predictable, then football is probably not the sport for you. That was a very good performance, with good movement, inventiveness and total control.

If you think it was boring or predictable, then you’re unlikely to be happy watching Burnley.

Had we won 9-0 he would have posted the same due to is unhealthy anti Parker obsession.

He has also used talksport saying it was dull at half time to back his views up. Seems a strange thing to do sit at home and listen to black cab driver fm about something you don't like but each to their own

[AlargeClaret]

Having midweek games all televised doesn’t help atmosphere, especially on a freezing cold night against unfashionable lower table opponents . The pre match music before ko is dreadful and was hugely disrespectful to Jay Rod by keeping it playing during his presentation, it drowned out the ( considerable) applause and singing . After that CFS were ok for 10/15 mins tbf . But was a flat affair after that .

[jlup1980]

Unbelievable that anyone would complain about the football tonight, just as good as what was offered up under VK 2 seasons back. The only reason anyone could think it was boring is because we made it look so comfortable. Awful support, entitled bunch and just so expectant of 3 points.

I was very vocal about performances earlier this season. It had nothing to do with being entitled, it was just slow, dull and uninspiring. Last night was much better. We started with more zip in our passing and there was much more movement all over the pitch. We looked like we had a plan, something I've criticised us for previously. Hopefully this is a sign that Parker is getting his ideas across to the players. The players looked very much a unit too. The goal celebrations, particularly CJ's, was evidence of that. I'm positive that the atmosphere will improve as the season progresses.

[claretspice]

If you didn’t enjoy last night and thought it was predictable, then football is probably not the sport for you. That was a very good performance, with good movement, inventiveness and total control.

If you think it was boring or predictable, then you’re unlikely to be happy watching Burnley.

You know your stuff Dande, but this is OTT. We undoubtedly controlled the game (save a 20 minute period in the second half before the second goal, which they edged) but we mustered three shots on target, of which one is a technicality because it was a cross which looped in. In the first half we managed 2 shots off target from range, a couple of blocked chances, and nothing on target. It was an OK performance but it wasn't really any different to the pattern of recent hone performances in which goals and chances have been at a premium. We didn't make the pitch big enough, move the ball quickly enough or put it at risk enough in the final third. It's hard for the crowd to get into that, however much you dominate possession.

[ClaretPete001]

Attendances have traditionally dropped off in the weeks before Christmas.

The improvement in performances is now noticeable and the professionalism of the team and ability to to manage a game is impressive. We lack a final ball and snatch at shots but confidence and belief is growing.

[dandeclaret]

You know your stuff Dande, but this is OTT. We undoubtedly controlled the game (save a 20 minute period in the second half before the second goal, which they edged) but we mustered three shots on target, of which one is a technicality because it was a cross which looped in. In the first half we managed 2 shots off target from range, a couple of blocked chances, and nothing on target. It was an OK performance but it wasn't really any different to the pattern of recent hone performances in which goals and chances have been at a premium. We didn't make the pitch big enough, move the ball quickly enough or put it at risk enough in the final third. It's hard for the crowd to get into that, however much you dominate possession.

Those shots on target don't include the block from the fine football leading to Anthony's blocked chance after the neat interplay, because it was outside the 6 yard box. They also don't represent the amount of times they got in down the sides, but the final cross wasn't quite good enough. It doesn't reflect the ability for players like Sarmiento and Hannibal to turn tightly and open up teams, or the underlap runs of fullbacks that were creating opportunities. The front part of the pitch movement was so much better, that it allowed Cullen to play forward more often, and to want to get on the ball and play, rather than hide.

I wasn't sat in the cold, I'll give you that, but I thought it was a thoroughly enjoyable, dominant performance, with plenty of positives to take from it.

[claretspice]

Those shots on target don't include the block from the fine football leading to Anthony's blocked chance after the neat interplay, because it was outside the 6 yard box. They also don't represent the amount of times they got in down the sides, but the final cross wasn't quite good enough. It doesn't reflect the ability for players like Sarmiento and Hannibal to turn tightly and open up teams, or the underlap runs of fullbacks that were creating opportunities. The front part of the pitch movement was so much better, that it allowed Cullen to play forward more often, and to want to get on the ball and play, rather than hide.

I wasn't sat in the cold, I'll give you that, but I thought it was a thoroughly enjoyable, dominant performance, with plenty of positives to take from it.

No, that statistical point is why I referenced blocked shots separately.

Broadly, I do think there is a pattern of gradual improvement, and I think any critique of our attacking play has to take account of the fact we are still missing 6 or 7 first team attackers. We're doing remarkably well in many respects given that.

But i thought we created very little in the first half last night for all our control, and I thought we moved the ball slower, tried fewer penetrating passes and committed fewer bodies to the attack than we did against either Bristol or Swansea (not surprisingly- we started with 3 midfielders who do mot naturally get into the final third). Those crosses you refer to as not quite good enough - I thought they were good crosses only not good enough because we had only one player attacking it. I didn't see Laurent or Hannibal attack a cross or pull back once. I also thought we passed up too many opportunities to deliver an early ball (essential if you've only one person to aim at) in favour of recycling the ball unnecessarily (rendering those neat turns somewhat pointless). We also didn't utilise Pires enough - Sarmiento was coming narrow to mixed effect but that was creating space on the left which we were slow to use (we didn't switch play as we have done in recent games and our play was lopsided as a result).

Our general interplay is getting far better - particularly down the right where Anthony and Roberts appear to have a nice understanding - and I agree that is helping Cullen showcase his ability and we are showing more threat. But there was too much possession for possessions sake last night and to convert control and threat into chances we need to take a bit more risk.

[Dyched]

Sky+ is killing attendances especially on a cold November night.Those that were on witnessed a cracking goal for CJ.

The ridiculous prices don’t help.

[ClaretPete001]

No, that statistical point is why I referenced blocked shots separately.

Broadly, I do think there is a pattern of gradual improvement, and I think any critique of our attacking play has to take account of the fact we are still missing 6 or 7 first team attackers. We're doing remarkably well in many respects given that.

But i thought we created very little in the first half last night for all our control, and I thought we moved the ball slower, tried fewer penetrating passes and committed fewer bodies to the attack than we did against either Bristol or Swansea (not surprisingly- we started with 3 midfielders who do mot naturally get into the final third). Those crosses you refer to as not quite good enough - I thought they were good crosses only not good enough because we had only one player attacking it. I didn't see Laurent or Hannibal attack a cross or pull back once. I also thought we passed up too many opportunities to deliver an early ball (essential if you've only one person to aim at) in favour of recycling the ball unnecessarily. We also didn't utilise Pires enough - Sarmiento was coming narrow to mixed effect but that was creating space on the left which we were slow to use.

Our general interplay is getting far better - particularly down the right where Anthony and Roberts appear to have a nice understanding - and I agree that is helping Cullen showcase his ability. But there was too much possession for possessions sake last night.

A lot of good point but the difference between Saturday and today was that Coventry sat deeper than Bristol up to the point we scored, which makes it much more difficult.

I agree the endless recycling of the ball seems counter productive especially given we have players who can comfortably receive a ball in tight spaces but you are also right we are missing a lot of key attacking players and there was a glaring gap in the space behind Jay Rod where Flemming, Brownhill, Ramsey etc could play.

Pires is an enigma and a bit unconvincing. I agree with what you say but it seems unfair not to say that SP is doing a decent job in difficult circumstances as opposed to a general feeling that it's SPs fault and down to the type of football he plays.

It is probably a combination of the two we now have 3 wins in a row against solid teams and evidence that progress is being made. It's hard to see what more SP can do.

[Elizabeth]

We are definitely a reactionary crowd. Many times during games the whole crowd are simply watching the game with just the odd loud shout of ‘Come on Burnley’ from someone in the crowd.

[NewClaret]

Been saying it since summer but the walk on prices are mental. 35-40 quid last night for a pretty unappealing game on a freezing cold night that was on TV. Think there's plenty of season ticket holders giving the skysports + games a miss as well.

There must be judging by the empty seats.

I agree walk on prices are shambolic but if they want to try and charge them, that’s fine, but at least advertise that they’re available. And if the they can’t shift them should be giving away unsold tickets to community projects, schools, etc etc. An empty seat is no use to anyone.

[dougcollins]

I’m sorry, but from my seat in the Bob Lord, I thought the singing was louder than usual.

That was the Coventry fans mate.

[Vegas Claret]

Mike said it best on his youtube podcast thingy a month or so ago, the best Burnley crowd is an angry one - when we feel wronged we get loud

[willsclarets]

It is much better in other parts of Europe. I went to a Hertha Berlin game earlier this year in the second tier, and it was non stop noise. Huge carnival atmosphere, flares, singing, and a lot of mixing if fans too where I was sat.

I hate to say it, but beer is one reason. I don't think it's a coincidence that vastly reducing the average alcohol intake of the crowd during the game reduces the atmosphere. I think it's great football is more of a family game now, but that along with pricing and less boozing I think changes the dynamic.

In the Hertha game, there was no trouble but nearly everyone around me had a pint on the go. It's just natural they'll be a bit more inclined to have a sing!

[jrgbfc]

Football just isn't really a lads day out in this country anymore. The cost, all seater stadiums and all ticket games have put paid to that.

[Goliath]

Football just isn't really a lads day out in this country anymore. The cost, all seater stadiums and all ticket games have put paid to that.

This is just a theory that people throw out there without it actually being true. There's groups of lads everywhere at the football, attendances are about 6000 higher than they were 10-15 years ago so there will naturally be more families in that aswell.

I really don't think it's a reason for the disapppinting
atmospheres

[claretonthecoast1882]

Football just isn't really a lads day out in this country anymore. The cost, all seater stadiums and all ticket games have put paid to that.

If I heard this right last night then it could well be at Man Utd as they have priced tickets at £66 for kids and all concession age groups.

The groups of lads who want to have a day out at football will do, there are also some who prefer to do other things on a weekend. Most groups of young lads will know little else but all seater stadiums sadly.

[Row x]

If I heard this right last night then it could well be at Man Utd as they have priced tickets at £66 for kids and all concession age groups.

The groups of lads who want to have a day out at football will do, there are also some who prefer to do other things on a weekend. Most groups of young lads will know little else but all seater stadiums sadly.

I think it's similar to the uproar when 6 seats at Burnley were top price
With utd I think it's the 5% or similar that are available after all the tickets at child prices and other concession tickets have been sold

[Clovius Boofus]

We do have more than our fair share of 'never happy, always moaning' types. Also, some of our fanbase have become entitled, and many of them are the same ones who wanted Dyche potted long before 2022. They think our rightful place is above mid-table in the Prem.

For a club of our size and resources, our six-year stay in the EPL was nothing more than phenomenal, yet there were those who took it for granted, especially the plonkers who called for Dyche to be sacked every time we hit a bad patch.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

It is much better in other parts of Europe. I went to a Hertha Berlin game earlier this year in the second tier, and it was non stop noise. Huge carnival atmosphere, flares, singing, and a lot of mixing if fans too where I was sat.

I hate to say it, but beer is one reason. I don't think it's a coincidence that vastly reducing the average alcohol intake of the crowd during the game reduces the atmosphere. I think it's great football is more of a family game now, but that along with pricing and less boozing I think changes the dynamic.

In the Hertha game, there was no trouble but nearly everyone around me had a pint on the go. It's just natural they'll be a bit more inclined to have a sing!

Definitely agree with you there, it is much more fun on the games in Germany, as they don't treat their fans like customers. It would be ideal if you could have a pint in your seat in certain sections of the ground and one that isn't a total rip off. I don't even consider a beer at half time anymore given it is over £6.

Let face it, clubs in the UK just the want maximum money off us, having fans in the ground is an inconvenience they have to endure to get that money.

[Dyched]

Football just isn't really a lads day out in this country anymore. The cost, all seater stadiums and all ticket games have put paid to that.

There are more families that attend these days. Which is a brilliant thing and shows that going to watch games in England has come on so much over the past 20/30 years and is genuinely safer for families to attend.

[houseboy]

It was a lacklustre affair tonight, with very little noise from the Longside or Bee Hole. Poor for a night match, but I think the performances and lack of goals this season has taken its toll. Boro on a Friday night will be a different proposition.

The problem lies here. There is no Longside or Bee Hole any more. The atmosphere has never been the same since all seater stadiums generally and especially at the Turf. That cavern of noise that was the Longside has long gone and I miss it terribly. As so many have said it shouldn’t take ‘exciting football’ to get a crowd going but stadium design now doesn’t help things at all.

[Spike]

One of the worst I've ever heard at Turf Moor. It must be difficult to play with intensity in that. It's like a friendly

Get your finger out then!

[hoosier-daddy]

Football just isn't really a lads day out in this country anymore. The cost, all seater stadiums and all ticket games have put paid to that.

Not just football unfortunately. I took my nephew to the cinema followed by Nandos and it was just over £100. Everything is double the price it should be.

[CaptJohn]

The problem lies here. There is no Longside or Bee Hole any more. The atmosphere has never been the same since all seater stadiums generally and especially at the Turf. That cavern of noise that was the Longside has long gone and I miss it terribly. As so many have said it shouldn’t take ‘exciting football’ to get a crowd going but stadium design now doesn’t help things at all.

Quite correct. Once the EHS brigade had their way with football, atmosphere was the last thing they cared about.

[Plissken]

Mike said it best on his youtube podcast thingy a month or so ago, the best Burnley crowd is an angry one - when we feel wronged we get loud

I have a video I took 15 minutes before the start of the Preston game and never got around to uploading. The seats were maybe 50% full around the ground. And this is shortly before the warmup music/videos start.

People want to build an atmosphere? Get to your seat by 2.30pm at the latest and start singing. But far too many people - especially those who complain about the lack of atmosphere - are downing that extra pint or doing.... whatever. There is a direct correlation at the Turf between a big game atmosphere (e.g. a derby game) and the stands being full early rather than just before kickoff.

It's all well and good pointing at Europe and saying we should do this or that. You know why they build that atmosphere? Because they are at the side of the pitch an hour before kickoff, in order to begin building it themselves. People bang on about all-seater stadiums killing things compared to standing on the Longside or whatever. It wasn't the seats that killed it - it was the concourses and the food and drink bars. At the risk of banging on about the "olden days" - which I hate doing - with the standing terraces, once you were in, you were in because there was nowhere else to go.

And for the record, standing there holding a flare isn't creating an atmosphere. That's just an annoying coloured vape.

[Clovius Boofus]

It would be ideal if you could have a pint in your seat in certain sections of the ground and one that isn't a total rip off.

Aye, it would be ideal, but it wouldn't last long because the idiots would ruin it for everyone else. We would have bellends throwing their pints in the air whenever we scored - ******* everyone around them wet through.

[turfytopper]

Many people live abroad on here, I'm sure you're aware of that, too.

Hi,
I'm fully aware that people tune in from abroad....(I might as well be abroad as my drive to Burnley is a 12 hours round trip). I help run a small Clarets WhatsApp group and 5 members are based as far away as Malaysia and the US. They can pick up every game on TV which I think is brilliant, as it reinforces their love of the club and we can discuss the game with them that we have all "experienced". I don't think it's those fans complaining? I think it is those that live more local but prefer to watch the game at home...If so I don't think they have a right to moan about the atmosphere??

[AlargeClaret]

Let them serve beer at seats in all sections but CFS , would be a decent start . True there’s gonna be some spillage but plenty of other European nations manage inc Germany . Alas booze helps atmosphere not flags and pre match music …

[Goliath]

It sounds fantastic in the 2nd half today. Not sure where its come from but it looks like a proper old school Turf Moor atmosphere and the players have responded

[GetIntoEm]

Loads better today

[Stonehouse]

It sounds fantastic in the 2nd half today. Not sure where its come from but it looks like a proper old school Turf Moor atmosphere and the players have responded

Probably because we’re starting to play some decent football.

[NewClaret]

Probably because we’re starting to play some decent football.

Agree with this. The lesson learned from the club has to be: play some good, fast, attacking football and the fans will respond.

[xxmunkyennuixx]

A few tackles, some nasty antics and a shite ref. We played positively. They got backed better today.

[JohnMac]

Crystal Palace are losing 4-1 at home to Arsenal but their well known Ultra's are banging the drum and singing non stop.

It's about willingness to get involved and attitude.

[Row x]

Agree with this. The lesson learned from the club has to be: play some good, fast, attacking football and the fans will respond.

There are times when the supporters need to lift the team, our crowd seem to struggle with that concept, certainly at home

[Bosscat]

It sounds fantastic in the 2nd half today. Not sure where its come from but it looks like a proper old school Turf Moor atmosphere and the players have responded

Its a two way street ... Performance = Fan response ...

Simply the best performance for a while at home today so it elicited a response from the crowd

UTC

[NewClaret]

There are times when the supporters need to lift the team, our crowd seem to struggle with that concept, certainly at home

I agree. Although we are definitely not the only team in that boat.

In general, the team also need to give a crowd some kind of performance to get behind and when they do that the atmosphere is much better.

[LoveCurryPies]

To anyone who watched from home and are critical of the fans, those of us in the lower stands were getting drenched in icy rain.