Anti Parker Agenda

[Hibsclaret]

Out of interest, who is the designer that can persuade people to part with over £4k for the jacket he wears?

He’s a very smart new to the market designer called C Nucoming

[Mattster]

Noticeable that when we scored we had 5 players in the box (maybe more) and similar for quite a few other chances. I've rarely seen us actually attack in such numbers this season.

From the way Worral pointed it out multiple times it had the feeling of something that was being worked on in training recently.

A big difference from prior to Bristol City when we only numbers in the box at set pieces.

[NL Claret]

Sorry to disillusion you Jakub, but this message board as a whole is only a 'small minority' of the Burnley fanbase, therefore those calling for SP's head on here are a tiny one... Even allowing for your (more important than most) opinion can't raise that minority to anywhere near 'significant'.

The dreadful commentator on Sky did make some form of reference to fans not been happy with Parker even though 2nd in league and he said it couldn’t be ruled out the club could replace Parker during the season. He did mention a couple of times that Burnley’s lack of goals could see them quickly slip down the table.

It felt the commentators research had been done by reading comments on here.

[boatshed bill]

The dreadful commentator on Sky did make some form of reference to fans not been happy with Parker even though 2nd in league and he said it couldn’t be ruled out the club could replace Parker during the season. He did mention a couple of times that Burnley’s lack of goals could see them quickly slip down the table.

But we've only scored 3 fewer than the Blades, are their fans equally unhappy?

[kentonclaret]

But we've only scored 3 fewer than the Blades, are their fans equally unhappy?

Blades fans want Wilder kicked out because their defence is crap conceding 9 goals against our 6

[hoosier-daddy]

The dreadful commentator on Sky did make some form of reference to fans not been happy with Parker even though 2nd in league and he said it couldn’t be ruled out the club could replace Parker during the season. He did mention a couple of times that Burnley’s lack of goals could see them quickly slip down the table.

It felt the commentators research had been done by reading comments on here.

I'm just glad Chris Iwelumo was co-commentator as he balanced things up with positive things about Burnley. Whoever the commentator is, he didn't half come out with some balderdash and often sounded anti-Burnley.

[NL Claret]

But we've only scored 3 fewer than the Blades, are their fans equally unhappy?

My guess that when he knew his brief was to commentate on Burnley v Cov , he did some searches on the internet on Burnley and Cov social media sites/pages/#s which gives a totally unbalanced view

[Stonehouse]

I'm just glad Chris Iwelumo was co-commentator as he balanced things up with positive things about Burnley. Whoever the commentator is, he didn't half come out with some balderdash and often sounded anti-Burnley.

Iwelumlo seemed to have a touch of verbal diarrhoea last night and was commenting on every move from either side about what they should or should not have done even though he does tend to have his Clarets hat on.

[tarkys_ears]

He didn't seem to have it on too tight last night...

As for the point about scoring 3 less than Blades - are they unhappy? I duno, if they'd scored half of them in the first 2 games and only just managed the same in the next 15, maybe...

[claretonthecoast1882]

Out of interest, who is the designer that can persuade people to part with over £4k for the jacket he wears?

Thom Browne

[burnley007]

He didn't seem to have it on too tight last night...

As for the point about scoring 3 less than Blades - are they unhappy? I duno, if they'd scored half of them in the first 2 games and only just managed the same in the next 15, maybe...

stop it, you're supposed to just be happy no matter what. Do what you're being told on here.

[claretabroad]

I will openly admit I was extremely underwhelmed when Parker was appointed although I can understand the logic behind giving him the job. He wasn't in my top 3 of prefered candidates.

I think he's done a remarkable job in the circumstances. He took over a team in disarray, the players' confidence was shot and we were leaking goals for fun. He then had a sizable chunk of the talent sold from around him and an eye watering injury list.

What he has done since taking over should be applauded. He has instilled defensive stability and has turned a young player into a standout championship defender. The football has been less than entertaining but our defensive statistics are record breaking. It feels a bit like the first 6 months under Dyche when results were ugly as the new defensive shape was instilled into the squad. The football eventually became more entertaining and expansive but only after the defence was fixed. I am hopeful we are heading in a similar direction this time.

Parker has done what was required to turn it around. We all know the restrictions he's working under with the lack of a constant goal threat up front being the most obvious. If we can fix that then we'll be very well positioned to get back to the PL at the first time of asking. I'll put my hand up and say I didn't think we'd be doing this well in the league with Parker at the helm but he's doing a very good job. It'll be interesting to see how we set up when the injured players become available again.

[burnley007]

I will openly admit I was extremely underwhelmed when Parker was appointed although I can understand the logic behind giving him the job. He wasn't in my top 3 of prefered candidates.

I think he's done a remarkable job in the circumstances. He took over a team in disarray, the players' confidence was shot and we were leaking goals for fun. He then had a sizable chunk of the talent sold from around him and an eye watering injury list.

What he has done since taking over should be applauded. He has instilled defensive stability and has turned a young player into a standout championship defender. The football has been less than entertaining but our defensive statistics are record breaking. It feels a bit like the first 6 months under Dyche when results were ugly as the new defensive shape was instilled into the squad. The football eventually became more entertaining and expansive but only after the defence was fixed. I am hopeful we are heading in a similar direction this time.

Parker has done what was required to turn it around. We all know the restrictions he's working under with the lack of a constant goal threat up front being the most obvious. If we can fix that then we'll be very well positioned to get back to the PL at the first time of asking. I'll put my hand up and say I didn't think we'd be doing this well in the league with Parker at the helm but he's doing a very good job. It'll be interesting to see how we set up when the injured players become available again.

All absolutely valid points.
I wasn't just underwhelmed with his appointment, but also his signings, which I still think are very meh. But things are less bleak now than they were 2 or 3 weeks ago.

[dandeclaret]

stop it, you're supposed to just be happy no matter what. Do what you're being told on here.

If you can't be happy when Burnley have won 3 in a row, and are playing neat attacking football and dominating games, then you're going to struggle on this board.

[dandeclaret]

The dreadful commentator on Sky did make some form of reference to fans not been happy with Parker even though 2nd in league and he said it couldn’t be ruled out the club could replace Parker during the season. He did mention a couple of times that Burnley’s lack of goals could see them quickly slip down the table.

It felt the commentators research had been done by reading comments on here.

It was the way he kept referring to grumbles in the ground..... they weren't in the ground, they were doing a studio comms - you can always tell by the sound.

[Row x]

If you can't be happy when Burnley have won 3 in a row, and are playing neat attacking football and dominating games, then you're going to struggle on this board.

Or life in general if you struggle to be positive

[Big Vinny K]

As always there’s always a myriad of reasons why different supporters have some times very different perspectives on our manager and where the club currently sit on and off the field.

Context for me is always important - eg context of what happened in the summer with losing so many players, context of injury situation, context of our financial position etc etc

For some supporters context is not as important in how they feel when things are not going as well. Again there will be a whole variety of reasons for this - and a sense of entitlement from how well we have done as a club in the last decade or so will definitely be one of them.

I know this is probably a generalisation - but I speak from my own experience and those people I go to games with - but as I have got older I think I get far less upset at our bad patches and difficult times. Still bothers me but I definitely have more of a sense of perspective and context than I did when I was younger and supported us.

It’s not about being on the Orient game (I was btw !!). It’s probably just more about the older you get trying to enjoy and focus on the good times in life (of which football is a big part for many of us) without getting too down with the bad times where possible. It’s not even about following us all those years when we were awful - because if I am honest I enjoyed going to the games home and away when I was in my teens and 20s just as much and very probably more than I do now.

Maybe the expectations of some of our supporters are just too high simply because they have had the fortune of only watching us in the last 15 years. In a way that’s perfectly understandable that they feel more disappointed now with our performances or the quality of players in the squad etc because they are inevitably going to compare say Josh Lauren to Jack Cork or Steven Defour rather than compare them to a player they have never seen like Phill Malley !!

One thing that may have changed is that some fans just seem a lot less patient and a lot more angry. Guess that’s probably because we see it on display a lot more through things like social media and online forums.

[Goliath]

As always there’s always a myriad of reasons why different supporters have some times very different perspectives on our manager and where the club currently sit on and off the field.

Context for me is always important - eg context of what happened in the summer with losing so many players, context of injury situation, context of our financial position etc etc

For some supporters context is not as important in how they feel when things are not going as well. Again there will be a whole variety of reasons for this - and a sense of entitlement from how well we have done as a club in the last decade or so will definitely be one of them.

I know this is probably a generalisation - but I speak from my own experience and those people I go to games with - but as I have got older I think I get far less upset at our bad patches and difficult times. Still bothers me but I definitely have more of a sense of perspective and context than I did when I was younger and supported us.

It’s not about being on the Orient game (I was btw !!). It’s probably just more about the older you get trying to enjoy and focus on the good times in life (of which football is a big part for many of us) without getting too down with the bad times where possible. It’s not even about following us all those years when we were awful - because if I am honest I enjoyed going to the games home and away when I was in my teens and 20s just as much and very probably more than I do now.

Maybe the expectations of some of our supporters are just too high simply because they have had the fortune of only watching us in the last 15 years. In a way that’s perfectly understandable that they feel more disappointed now with our performances or the quality of players in the squad etc because they are inevitably going to compare say Josh Lauren to Jack Cork or Steven Defour rather than compare them to a player they have never seen like Phill Malley !!

One thing that may have changed is that some fans just seem a lot less patient and a lot more angry. Guess that’s probably because we see it on display a lot more through things like social media and online forums.

Interesting but I'm the opposite, the older I get the less patient I've got. Purely because when I was younger in the early Cotterill days we had no pressure on us and I could see we were basically maximising our potential at the time.

Now the context is different. It's absolutely vital that we get back to the PL in 1 or maybe 2 years, we dont have the luxury of being patient etc. If we don't go up soon we are knackered and it will have a huge bearing on attendances and the town in general

[Big Vinny K]

Interesting but I'm the opposite, the older I get the less patient I've got. Purely because when I was younger in the early Cotterill days we had no pressure on us and I could see we were basically maximising our potential at the time.

Now the context is different. It's absolutely vital that we get back to the PL in 1 or maybe 2 years, we dont have the luxury of being patient etc. If we don't go up soon we are knackered and it will have a huge bearing on attendances and the town in general

Maybe but surely you must see that there are 20 or 30 clubs at least who are all after the same thing and to consistently beat the odds like we have done is just not going to last forever ?

Nearly 35 years of Premier League now. During this time the concept of a “yo yo” club developed and we are now falling under this description according to some. Which other clubs have been recently described as this ? Watford, West Brom, Sheffield United etc ? Look what happens to all the clubs who ever had this label attached to them. Eventually they do not go up. And in many cases it gets worse before it starts to get better again. Leeds, Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesdays all spending more than a few seasons in division one.

Not saying all this will inevitably happen to us but the odds and history are 100% against us having another sustained period in the Premier League like we did under Dyche and history with other clubs suggest it’s likely to go the other way. Even if we get promoted under SP which of course I hope we do in my view we only have a very slim chance of getting back to the success we achieved under Dyche and personally I cannot get too upset or angry about something I believe is probably going to happen so I intend to enjoy the bits of success we do achieve whilst I can.

[Goliath]

Maybe but surely you must see that there are 20 or 30 clubs at least who are all after the same thing and to consistently beat the odds like we have done is just not going to last forever ?

Nearly 35 years of Premier League now. During this time the concept of a “yo yo” club developed and we are now falling under this description according to some. Which other clubs have been recently described as this ? Watford, West Brom, Sheffield United etc ? Look what happens to all the clubs who ever had this label attached to them. Eventually they do not go up. And in many cases it gets worse before it starts to get better again. Leeds, Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesdays all spending more than a few seasons in division one.

Not saying all this will inevitably happen to us but the odds and history are 100% against us having another sustained period in the Premier League like we did under Dyche and history with other clubs suggest it’s likely to go the other way. Even if we get promoted under SP which of course I hope we do in my view we only have a very slim chance of getting back to the success we achieved under Dyche and personally I cannot get too upset or angry about something I believe is probably going to happen so I intend to enjoy the bits of success we do achieve whilst I can.

I don't think we are fighting against the odds. I think the odds are very much stacked in our favour with the money we've received in recent years from the PL and parachute payments.
I want us to continue those odds being in our favour or we could be In big trouble, so I have no time for underperformance when we are in this league.

It's different when we are in the PL, even last season I thought the majority of the performances weren't too bad, we just didn't quite have the quality.

[brexit]

Context for me is always important - eg context of what happened in the summer with losing so many players, context of injury situation, context of our financial position etc etc

I agree with thee context issue. If memory serves, our final 3 managerial candidates were cooper, lampard and Scott,
In hindsight, I think Mr Pace made the correct choice.

[Hipper]

Out of interest, who is the designer that can persuade people to part with over £4k for the jacket he wears?

I think he flew on the Normandy landings.

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[Mattster]

As always there’s always a myriad of reasons why different supporters have some times very different perspectives on our manager and where the club currently sit on and off the field.

Context for me is always important - eg context of what happened in the summer with losing so many players, context of injury situation, context of our financial position etc etc

For some supporters context is not as important in how they feel when things are not going as well. Again there will be a whole variety of reasons for this - and a sense of entitlement from how well we have done as a club in the last decade or so will definitely be one of them.

Started to tune out at the point you only look at selected "context". Tuned out fully at the point you mentioned "entitlement".

[boyyanno]

All absolutely valid points.
I wasn't just underwhelmed with his appointment, but also his signings, which I still think are very meh. But things are less bleak now than they were 2 or 3 weeks ago.

Less bleak

Give over, you're just struggling to admit that maybe all the negative crap you've posted for months is starting to look a little foolish.

Just waiting for Mattster to drop on and explain what happened to his crystal ball.

[Mattster]

Less bleak

Give over, you're just struggling to admit that maybe all the negative crap you've posted for months is starting to look a little foolish.

Just waiting for Mattster to drop on and explain what happened to his crystal ball.

2 decent performances in a row, for the first time this season, doesn't mean there weren't things to be concerned about earlier

[Big Vinny K]

Started to tune out at the point you only look at selected "context". Tuned out fully at the point you mentioned "entitlement".

Whereas 99.9% of us on here tune out fully as soon as we see your username.

[Big Vinny K]

I don't think we are fighting against the odds. I think the odds are very much stacked in our favour with the money we've received in recent years from the PL and parachute payments.
I want us to continue those odds being in our favour or we could be In big trouble, so I have no time for underperformance when we are in this league.

It's different when we are in the PL, even last season I thought the majority of the performances weren't too bad, we just didn't quite have the quality.

Unless we are odds on to get promoted to the Premier League or odds on to not get relegated from the Premier League then we are by very definition fighting against the odds.

But really the point I am making is not just about our our likelihood to get promoted (right now the bookies give us around a 1 in 3 chance of getting automatic promotion) it’s about how likely it is that we will end up ending up a mid table or worse championship side or have another sustained period in the Premier League. And the history of the league shows it is far more likely to be the former for a club like ourselves.

[burnley007]

I do find it fascinating how upset some people get when I have a different opinion to them, very typical of modern society currently.

Let's just accept that people have different thoughts and feelings, this is a forum to discuss those kinda things is it not?

I am too stubborn, admittedly, but I just find it difficult to find anything to feel excited about looking forwards under Parker, I can only see this as a short term thing, until it inevitably crashes down. BUT...

Things in the last 2 games have looked more positive than they did, players seem happy, Pace is strangely quiet atm. If things continue to improve and performances start to be interesting, I will be forced to admit I was wrong, but we're not there yet...

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Pace is strangely quiet?

The team are challenging for promotion, he's probably busy with other stuff like transfers etc

There's not a lot he can say about the team and our league position

[boyyanno]

I do find it fascinating how upset some people get when I have a different opinion to them, very typical of modern society currently.

Let's just accept that people have different thoughts and feelings, this is a forum to discuss those kinda things is it not?

I am too stubborn, admittedly, but I just find it difficult to find anything to feel excited about looking forwards under Parker, I can only see this as a short term thing, until it inevitably crashes down. BUT...

Things in the last 2 games have looked more positive than they did, players seem happy, Pace is strangely quiet atm. If things continue to improve and performances start to be interesting, I will be forced to admit I was wrong, but we're not there yet...

Nah mate not having it.

On the latest match day thread against Coventry (our third win in a row) you were posting sarcastic nonsense about how you can't wait to watch this rubbish for another 6 months.

Slagged us off like mad and now pretending you've been happy with the last two games because you've started to look a mug.

[burnley007]

Nah mate not having it.

On the latest match day thread against Coventry (our third win in a row) you were posting sarcastic nonsense about how you can't wait to watch this rubbish for another 6 months.

Slagged us off like mad and now pretending you've been happy with the last two games because you've started to look a mug.

Carry on being unpleasant, it helps to prove my point.


I certainly haven't said anything about being happy, just that things have improved.

But you can on being yourself, it helps people to understand my comment.

[boyyanno]

Carry on being unpleasant, it helps to prove my point.


I certainly haven't said anything about being happy, just that things have improved.

But you can on being yourself, it helps people to understand my comment.

That's exactly the point isn't it. You can't even bring yourself to give this team a compliment even when we've won three on the bounce.

You keep pretending to be some sort of smear campaign victim and yet we've all seen your multiple posts a day about how you hate the football, its boring, will be unsuccessful, how you hate watching games.

It's a forum for Burnley fans pal, I'll treat any of those with the respect they deserve. I don't mind people having different opinions, but I do mind people not backing the manager from day one because he wasn't their choice. They (you) are exactly the kind of "fans" that the club could do without.

[taio]

That's exactly the point isn't it. You can't even bring yourself to give this team a compliment even when we've won three on the bounce.

You keep pretending to be some sort of smear campaign victim and yet we've all seen your multiple posts a day about how you hate the football, its boring, will be unsuccessful, how you hate watching games.

It's a forum for Burnley fans pal, I'll treat any of those with the respect they deserve. I don't mind people having different opinions, but I do mind people not backing the manager from day one because he wasn't their choice. They (you) are exactly the kind of "fans" that the club could do without.

You're arguing with someone who said "Get in" and "Come on Millwall" on the match day thread when we got beat against Millwall.

[expoultryboy]

I've got to admit to being negative to the style of football we WERE playing , but it seems to have improved over the past few weeks . I go to most away games and will be there tomorrow ( living in Shrewsbury means it's a home game for me ) . At Sheffield even with a good following ,it did seem a little flat . It's good to see the fullbacks getting forward a lot more .

[GetIntoEm]

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[burnley007]

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you OK?

[AlargeClaret]

Watch out for the nauseating spectacle of the “ I hold my hands up I was wrong “ brigade … this far they’ve acted like a bunch of awkward social media teens “ it’s boring “ “ I can’t bear to watch “ etc etc. Parker hasn’t put a foot wrong despite being dealt a terrible hand . He’s a proven champ promotion winner and hopefully we’ll treat him with a bit more respect than Bournemouth did .

[helmclaret]

He’s been brilliant since he came in Parker.

We know we lack something up top, but we are rock solid and he’s adapted so well to the squad he ended up with.

People who didn’t want him in from the start with seem to take joy in slagging him off, but he’s got my support. He cares and that counts for a lot for me.

[hoosier-daddy]

Watch out for the nauseating spectacle of the “ I hold my hands up I was wrong “ brigade … this far they’ve acted like a bunch of awkward social media teens “ it’s boring “ “ I can’t bear to watch “ etc etc. Parker hasn’t put a foot wrong despite being dealt a terrible hand . He’s a proven champ promotion winner and hopefully we’ll treat him with a bit more respect than Bournemouth did .

None of these people understand their football. I just wish the people who completely destroy the match threads an hour before kickoff were banned. It would automatically increase the quality of the board.

[warksclaret]

Hes got a tune out of a starting 11 that is far from complete. and deserves some appreciation

[Darnhill Claret]

The tactics haven't changed much, if at all. What has changed is the quality of performance. Even today the second half was much better than the first, not because of changes made, but because our first touches were better. This gave the players more time and space, which resulted in more incisive passing. All the players managed to make more space for themselves. Everyone seemed to work harder out of possession, which meant that we recovered possession quickly. Then with the two goal cushion, their heads dropped and we could play'Ole' football very successfully. A very enjoyable afternoon.

[Anonymous Claret]

The tactics haven't changed much, if at all. What has changed is the quality of performance. Even today the second half was much better than the first, not because of changes made, but because our first touches were better. This gave the players more time and space, which resulted in more incisive passing. All the players managed to make more space for themselves. Everyone seemed to work harder out of possession, which meant that we recovered possession quickly. Then with the two goal cushion, their heads dropped and we could play'Ole' football very successfully. A very enjoyable afternoon.

Completely agree with that excellent brief summary. The difference in the cutting edge performance in each half was very clear to see yesterday. I thought only Sarmiento out of our 3 attacking midfielders had a decent 1st half whereas Anthony and Koleosho were poor to average. In the second half Anthony and especially Koleosho were much improved in their attacking play and caused lots of problems for Stoke.

[quoonbeatz]

The tactics haven't changed much, if at all. What has changed is the quality of performance. Even today the second half was much better than the first, not because of changes made, but because our first touches were better. This gave the players more time and space, which resulted in more incisive passing. All the players managed to make more space for themselves. Everyone seemed to work harder out of possession, which meant that we recovered possession quickly. Then with the two goal cushion, their heads dropped and we could play'Ole' football very successfully. A very enjoyable afternoon.

It was tactical changes at half time that turned the game yesterday, most notably Laurent pushed a bit further forward. We hadn’t been expecting them to play 541 so made the changes and that was what enabled us to win the ball back higher up the pitch, give us more space and get more bodies forward.

[Anonymous Claret]

It was tactical changes at half time that turned the game yesterday, most notably Laurent pushed a bit further forward. We hadn’t been expecting them to play 541 so made the changes and that was what enabled us to win the ball back higher up the pitch, give us more space and get more bodies forward.

You may well be right on the tactical change of Laurent playing further forward but Darnhill is correct that the execution of our passing was better and faster along with better movement, especially from our forward players. We seemed to press with more intensity and worked harder to win the ball back after losing possession. It can be difficult trying to analyse a game when watching every ball from the stands as my main thoughts are 'please score, don't concede and I don't care how we manage that'.

[Big Vinny K]

Our full backs definitely got forward more in the second half.
Maybe that’s because we were playing better and sharper and it allowed them to do so instead of defending.
Thought Roberts and in particular Humphreys had great second halfs. I’d say that is the best 45 minutes I have seen from Humphreys and he was also helped out by Koleosho who was tons better in the second half that he was in the first 45 minutes when he was pretty awful.

Sarmiento makes a big difference when he is playing in the no 10 role especially in combination with Jay who used all of his experience (and skill) in understanding far better than foster or flemming how to hold the ball up, where to be on the pitch, how to lay off a ball to someone running past him etc etc

Would love us to score an early goal in a game and make our opposition open up a bit as we are great on the counter attack.

[quoonbeatz]

You may well be right on the tactical change of Laurent playing further forward but Darnhill is correct that the execution of our passing was better and faster along with better movement, especially from our forward players. We seemed to press with more intensity and worked harder to win the ball back after losing possession. It can be difficult trying to analyse a game when watching every ball from the stands as my main thoughts are 'please score, don't concede and I don't care how we manage that'.

I’m not disagreeing that our passing and movement improved markedly, it clearly did. But it was the tactical changes that brought that about. I thought we did pretty well in the first half but it was very often our 10 facing their 11 with only Jay in amongst them. 2nd half we had more players up the pitch which enabled more incisive passing and breaking the lines, especially after we’d got the opener.

[CoolClaret]

Watch out for the nauseating spectacle of the “ I hold my hands up I was wrong “ brigade … this far they’ve acted like a bunch of awkward social media teens “ it’s boring “ “ I can’t bear to watch “ etc etc. Parker hasn’t put a foot wrong despite being dealt a terrible hand . He’s a proven champ promotion winner and hopefully we’ll treat him with a bit more respect than Bournemouth did .

Post of the year.

They really are insufferable.

[Clovius Boofus]

Post of the year.

They really are insufferable.

The trigger-happy knee-jerkers. They'll quickly revert back to norm should we hit a bad patch.

[daveisaclaret]

Four full pages of arguing against something that barely exists. Great stuff even by the standards of this place.

[Stonehouse]

Parker is far superior to Kompany in his use of the squad ,tends to pick Humphreys and Laurent when we play a more physical side who like Stoke tend to toss the ball into the box and plays Pires and Hannibal when we play the less physical teams .