Trial By Media

[Rowls]

And if they didn't report it, those with an agenda would accuse the BBC of sweeping it under the carpet. The BBC has a history of circling the waggons when it comes to protecting their employees, but they can't do this anymore - so we end up with a case of 'damned if they do, damned if they don't'.

This has already been addressed:

What we are witnessing is the backlash to years of BBC people covering for Savile. They've simply decided to do the wrong thing to the other extreme.

[martin_p]

This has already been addressed:

How is it ‘the wrong thing’ to report a story every other media outlet has picked up?

[ClaretPete001]

It absolutely shouldn't be in the media; so far he has done nothing illegal, His crime seems to be that still lives in the 1970s.

He should have been carpeted by HR and if he didn't change is behaviour asked to resign and then sacked.

Trial be the media, which has facilitated his behaviour is just absurd and symptomatic of how moronic the national discourse is becoming.

[martin_p]

It absolutely shouldn't be in the media; so far he has done nothing illegal, His crime seems to be that still lives in the 1970s.

He should have been carpeted by HR and if he didn't change is behaviour asked to resign and then sacked.

Trial be the media, which has facilitated his behaviour is just absurd and symptomatic of how moronic the national discourse is becoming.

He was warned about his behaviour in 2018, it’s only because it’s continued that it’s now made the media.

[Lip]

Who? Me?

You think trial by media is a good thing?

Go on.

No,not you Rowls..Greg Wallace..

[ClaretPete001]

He was warned about his behaviour in 2018, it’s only because it’s continued that it’s now made the media.

I don't accept that any grown up organisation uses trial by media as a substitute for HR processes.

He should have been warned and his contract not renewed upon additional instances of the same behaviour.

His colleagues should also face an investigation as to their role in bringing this to light.

[The Shire Claret]

He's just apologised for his videos yesterday on Instagram

[hoosier-daddy]

So that's the end of it I hope.

[martin_p]

I don't accept that any grown up organisation uses trial by media as a substitute for HR processes.

He should have been warned and his contract not renewed upon additional instances of the same behaviour.

His colleagues should also face an investigation as to their role in bringing this to light.

Which ‘grown up organisation’ has used trial by media? The BBC haven’t taken this to the press.

[Clovius Boofus]

Thing is, reading the stories, he hasn’t learned any lessons. Complaints have been raised and he’s been talked to in the past but the behaviour seems to have continued.

Last year he was accused of being rude and insulting to workers while filming Inside the Factory. Controversy seems to follow him around and this isn't on, especially for a BBC employee.

As for being 'rude and insulting' - I think he's guilty of becoming too big for his boots. Being an arsehole is not against the law, but this type of behaviour is what happens when fame goes to 'celebs' heads.

[GetIntoEm]

Most of these "inappropriate" comments were not on love tv, they were pre-recorded. Surely there's some vetting in place to see if content is suitable for prime time BBC. It's been judged ok at the time.

Now people jump on it. Mainly people are no longer in the media eye, opportunity to boost their profile. Pathetic

[martin_p]

Most of these "inappropriate" comments were not on love tv, they were pre-recorded. Surely there's some vetting in place to see if content is suitable for prime time BBC. It's been judged ok at the time.

Now people jump on it. Mainly people are no longer in the media eye, opportunity to boost their profile. Pathetic

Most of the inappropriate comments were not on camera and as far as I know none of the ones he’s being pulled up for were transmitted on tv.

[hoosier-daddy]

Most of the inappropriate comments were not on camera and as far as I know none of the ones he’s being pulled up for were transmitted on tv.

And most are hearsay. So inappropriate isn't fact. It's down to opinion. So where do we stop?

[martin_p]

And most are hearsay. So inappropriate isn't fact. It's down to opinion. So where do we stop?

He stops when he’s first warned, then he wouldn’t be in the situation he is now. Simple really.

[Bosscat]

Celebs need to be more careful and think ...

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[martin_p]

Celebs need to be more careful and think ...GdyAVa9WIAAoa7z.jpeg

Fake news! Everyone who’s ever eaten a Colin the Caterpillar knows they are chocolate cake and cream inside, that’s not a naked Colin!

[Bow]

Hopefully this means he won’t be on tv anymore. Instant change of channel if his smug face appears.

He comes across as a right bell end. The least self-aware person on tv.

[kentonclaret]

Most of the inappropriate comments were not on camera and as far as I know none of the ones he’s being pulled up for were transmitted on tv.

Several of these inappropriate comments were supposedly made during the filming of Celebrity Master Chef and surely any bad behaviour would/should have been noted by the other presenters namely Marcus Wareing or Monica Galetti. You would have hoped that one or both of these individuals would have taken time to have had a quiet word with him to tone down his remarks if others found them offensive. They have both worked with Gregg long enough and there should be a duty of care shown to work colleagues.
Anyway all 3 will be on our screens at 9pm BBC1 tasting dishes and judging the level of sauce.

[hoosier-daddy]

Anyway all 3 will be on our screens at 9pm BBC1 tasting dishes and judging the level of sauce.

That cracked me up

[ClaretPete001]

Which ‘grown up organisation’ has used trial by media? The BBC haven’t taken this to the press.

The argument that: 'He was warned about his behaviour in 2018, it’s only because it’s continued that it’s now made the media' only makes sense if you consider the BBC had no obligation to take further action.

By default the BBC and the production company have taken it to press by their inaction.

What should have happened is that senior colleagues like John Torode should have raised additional concerns and if they haven't they should also be removed from the show.

And if the likes of Kirsty Wark have gone to the media but not he BBC she should also be investigated for bringing the beeb into disrepute.

The problem is organisations do not want to sanction key players and the issue is not solely with those individuals but it also has to be with those who facilitated them otherwise it will never stop.

Enough is enough, these organisations have got to behave in a grown up way. HR trial by the media by media types who work for the very organisations that should be be managing these situations is not acceptable.

[fatboy47]

the majority of people crucifying him will have made jokes exactly the same as what he has done in their own places of work through the years

Well I'm no choirboy, but I've never felt the need to compare the taste of my lunch to my auntie's genitalia...and definitely not to groups of younger female colleagues.

[kentonclaret]

Well I'm no choirboy, but I've never felt the need to compare the taste of my lunch to my auntie's genitalia...and definitely not to groups of younger female colleagues.

In fairness you probably haven’t had to taste some of the dishes presented on Celebrity MasterChef

[The Shire Claret]

Well I'm no choirboy, but I've never felt the need to compare the taste of my lunch to my auntie's genitalia...and definitely not to groups of younger female colleagues.

Ha, nor have I

Like I said if what he's done is unacceptable - then that's fair enough but all we have presently are words on the internet...

My point stands though - I bet some people that are hammering him, will have also made comments and mistakes at the wrong time ...

[hoosier-daddy]

My point stands though - I bet some people that are hammering him, will have also made comments and mistakes at the wrong time ...

And this is the thing. I bet 99% of females take it as a joke. Flirtatious and banter can cross paths.

[Deathtrip]

Banged to rights 100% anyone who has watched Masterchef has know it for years ...he's a sexpest.

[ClaretPete001]

Banged to rights 100% anyone who has watched Masterchef has know it for years ...he's a sexpest.

I think if his lawyer is a Burnley fan - CT could be getting a letter in the morning....!

[NottsClaret]

I know loads of working class people who grew up in the 70s that aren’t inappropriate creeps to women at work.

It’s pretty easy to do.

[Rileybobs]

Thought he was a bit of an odd character after reading this weird piece earlier this year, particularly the bit about not wanting to have his child…

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[Bosscat]

BBC announce Wallace's Replacement.

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[Dark Cloud]

Thought he was a bit of an odd character after reading this weird piece earlier this year, particularly the bit about not wanting to have his child…

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Odd having a cooked breakfast at 10.30 and eating lunch at 12.00, (but not sackable!) His choice of reading is excellent tbf (but he could have been just making it up).

[Rileybobs]

Odd having a cooked breakfast at 10.30 and eating lunch at 12.00, (but not sackable!) His choice of reading is excellent tbf (but he could have been just making it up).

I found it touching that he manages to squeeze in 90 minutes between his lunch and his strategy computer game marathon to spend time pottering in the garden with his autistic son.

[hoosier-daddy]

I know loads of working class people who grew up in the 70s that aren’t inappropriate creeps to women at work.

It’s pretty easy to do.

But what do we do? I know loads of women who take banter as a laugh. Because they see it as a laugh. At what stage do we stop it?

[TheFamilyCat]

Odd having a cooked breakfast at 10.30 and eating lunch at 12.00, (but not sackable!) His choice of reading is excellent tbf (but he could have been just making it up).

To be fair, he's been up since 5.00 and been to the gym without eating so he must be starving.

[kentonclaret]

Banged to rights 100% anyone who has watched Masterchef has know it for years ...he's a sexpest.

I did spot him on one episode of MasterChef getting very excited about St Agatha’s breasts

[aggi]

I found it touching that he manages to squeeze in 90 minutes between his lunch and his strategy computer game marathon to spend time pottering in the garden with his autistic son.

To be fair he made it very clear in the same article that he didn't want a child.

[aggi]

I think the real question this raises though is what is up with Rowls' BBC page?

I've got one Greggs Wallace story showing up on mine, what is up with Rowls' cookies to get so many?

[Rileybobs]

To be fair he made it very clear in the same article that he didn't want a child.

Sometimes when you love someone you just have to make a sacrifice, as long as their mum moves in to look after it.

[Stonehouse]

We have a friend who is high up in a well known firm that supplies produce for a main high st store and Wallace paid them a visit for one of his documentaries apparently came across as an arrogant prick ,however to have him as the lead story on Sky News at 10 tonight is pathetic and probably fits in with Sky’s woke agenda when far more important things are going on across the world.

[martin_p]

But what do we do? I know loads of women who take banter as a laugh. Because they see it as a laugh. At what stage do we stop it?

At the point someone has made a complaint and you’re warned about it at the very latest!

[Stonehouse]

And this is the thing. I bet 99% of females take it as a joke. Flirtatious and banter can cross paths.

Not narrow minded but a woman on Sky tonight said she was going to give him and Torode books as a present ,when she said to Wallace she had a present for him his reply in front of the make up crew was “Is it a present for my cock” worked in factories all my working life but wouldn’t have said that to a women

[Darnhill Claret]

Looking at that article,
7am
The gym.
They let me in earlier, so I have a swim and a sauna by myself.

Hmm, interesting!!?

[Middle-agedClaret]

FWIW, I agree with the general substance of Rowls’ point. Some of our media are doing OTT with their coverage. I listen to Times Radio, and their morning show today seemed to spend about 50% of their time on The Gregg Wallace story. Although given that one of their excellent presenters, Aasmah Mir is one of those who complained about their treatment by Gregg Wallace, maybe that is not so surprising.
I just think that with all that’s going on in the world today, and the many really momentous global events, a story about allegedly boorish and improper language is getting more airtime than is warranted.
He may not be a very nice man, but it seems this campaign will lose him his career. Is that fair?

[Andy_G]

And if they didn't report it, those with an agenda would accuse the BBC of sweeping it under the carpet. The BBC has a history of circling the waggons when it comes to protecting their employees, but they can't do this anymore - so we end up with a case of 'damned if they do, damned if they don't'.

This is just another example of Rowls being disingenuous whilst trying to appear to be be the voice of calm reason.

The truth is that Rowls dislikes the BBC (he considers it left wing) and, accordingly, opposes the licence fee. He is seldom overt in his criticisms and, as demonstrated by many of his posts, he prefers the role of "Agent Provocateur ".

He likes to whisper in corners, whilst presenting himself as a fair minded and reasonable man. His posting history amply demonstrates that he has form for this.

Had the BBC failed to report on an issue that made front pages headlines in most of the papers over the last couple of days he would, as you rightly point out, have accused them of bias and ignoring it. He's just desperate to have a go at the BBC.

He really is quite transparent.

[BurnleyFC]

Hopefully this means he won’t be on tv anymore. Instant change of channel if his smug face appears.

He comes across as a right bell end. The least self-aware person on tv.

It’s a shame it wasn’t one (or all of) the ‘food critics’ that had been acting inappropriately.

Now they are the smuggest bastards in the world, and god only knows why.

[Clovius Boofus]

Not narrow minded but a woman on Sky tonight said she was going to give him and Torode books as a present ,when she said to Wallace she had a present for him his reply in front of the make up crew was “Is it a present for my cock” worked in factories all my working life but wouldn’t have said that to a women

I bet he's an absolute pain to work with. A bit like The Fast Show's Colin Hunt, but with added smut. It also seems he goes out of his way to embarrass women. Probably doesn't do it with men because it might end with a smack in the mouth.

[GetIntoEm]

Seems like they've turned on Ant Mcpartlin now. Who's next

[Bow]

Seems like they've turned on Ant Mcpartlin now. Who's next

[Vincent'sCap]

This tickled me it's the spitting image of them both.
Gregg Wallace and Rod Stewart, pictured here larking about on the set of Celebrity Masterchef, Welwyn Garden City, 2016

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[kentonclaret]

Seems like they've turned on Ant Mcpartlin now. Who's next

Now there’s a pair I wouldn’t mind disappearing off of the TV screens.

[Rowls]

This is just another example of Rowls being disingenuous whilst trying to appear to be be the voice of calm reason.

The truth is that Rowls dislikes the BBC (he considers it left wing) and, accordingly, opposes the licence fee. He is seldom overt in his criticisms and, as demonstrated by many of his posts, he prefers the role of "Agent Provocateur ".

He likes to whisper in corners, whilst presenting himself as a fair minded and reasonable man. His posting history amply demonstrates that he has form for this.

Had the BBC failed to report on an issue that made front pages headlines in most of the papers over the last couple of days he would, as you rightly point out, have accused them of bias and ignoring it. He's just desperate to have a go at the BBC.

He really is quite transparent.

Beg your parden?

Are you really posting just here to slag me off?

I'm just somebody who is prepared to say what I believe in. No more than that.

How is it "disingenuous" to criticise trial by media, which -rightly or wrongly- is very clearly what is happening in this case?

I do not "dislike the BBC" - I am critical here of several newspapers as well as the BBC.

If you want to contribute, perhaps go about addressing the issue that is the topic of the thread?

Are you defending Trial by Media? We don't know because your post is nothing other than a rude personal attack against me.