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Re: Hannibal

Post by NL Claret » Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:19 am

I think we can agree we have found this season's scapegoat.

Have to LOL at comment about when Roberts was getting grief off the field and Hannibal went over to back him up. Good lad IMO. Can imagine if Hannibal hadn't done that some posters would have slagged him off for not getting involved.

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Re: Hannibal

Post by Walt » Sat Dec 07, 2024 10:10 am

NL Claret wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:19 am
I think we can agree we have found this season's scapegoat.

Have to LOL at comment about when Roberts was getting grief off the field and Hannibal went over to back him up. Good lad IMO. Can imagine if Hannibal hadn't done that some posters would have slagged him off for not getting involved.
For me that's the whole problem. All he seems keen on doing is getting 'involved' and firing the crowd up, ours and the opposition. I've been reluctant to be too critical when discussing him with friends as he isn't a 10 and you would hope would play much better in his natural place, given the chance. When he has the ball nothing tends to happen, but you could say that's not solely his fault as he's being played out of position

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Re: Hannibal

Post by NickBFC » Sat Dec 07, 2024 10:25 am

Certainly not a '10' for me and that's his biggest problem. Maybe he'll find his more natural position in the team if Brownhill is sold next month?

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Re: Hannibal

Post by LincsWoldsClaret » Sat Dec 07, 2024 10:31 am

No 10? He’s a ball winning defensive midfielder.

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Re: Hannibal

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Dec 07, 2024 10:48 am

LincsWoldsClaret wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2024 10:31 am
No 10? He’s a ball winning defensive midfielder.
I think so too. He's got all the attributes to become a really top player in that position as well - he can break up play pretty well, his passing range from deeper areas is actually pretty good, and he's also very good at carrying the ball which will make him a good all-rounder in that role.

He's getting a lot of stick right now, but at least half of it is on the management team for continuing to play him in a role that gets the worst out of him.

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Re: Hannibal

Post by IanMcL » Sat Dec 07, 2024 1:13 pm

I like his attitude and approach. He upsets the opposition. Good lad.

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Re: Hannibal

Post by Murger » Sat Dec 07, 2024 1:38 pm

NL Claret wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:19 am
I think we can agree we have found this season's scapegoat.


And there we go. Any criticism of a player is seen as scapegoating. Can nobody be criticised in your eyes?
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Re: Hannibal

Post by warksclaret » Sat Dec 07, 2024 1:48 pm

I really struggle with an element of our so called fans are being so critical about him. For me he gives his all every time he wears the shirt. I get angry too but it tends to be with the sick note players we seem to have cultivated-Tresor, Benson Delcroix come to mind and Foster to some degree, all drawing a considerable wage without wearing that shirt.

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Re: Hannibal

Post by Casper2 » Sat Dec 07, 2024 1:52 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2024 1:48 pm
I really struggle with an element of our so called fans are being so critical about him. For me he gives his all every time he wears the shirt. I get angry too but it tends to be with the sick note players we seem to have cultivated-Tresor, Benson Delcroix come to mind and Foster to some degree, all drawing a considerable wage without wearing that shirt.
What a strange comment, having a go at injured players while calling out so called fans .

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Re: Hannibal

Post by NL Claret » Sat Dec 07, 2024 2:09 pm

Murger wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2024 1:38 pm
And there we go. Any criticism of a player is seen as scapegoating. Can nobody be criticised in your eyes?
About 12 months ago a colleague said to me, I can't believe how positive you are. It surprised me as I think I'm miserable and I thought to myself, you know what I am a positive kind of guy. Perhaps I should be more negative, do you have any tips Murger?

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Re: Hannibal

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Dec 07, 2024 2:16 pm

NL Claret wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2024 2:09 pm
About 12 months ago a colleague said to me, I can't believe how positive you are. It surprised me as I think I'm miserable and I thought to myself, you know what I am a positive kind of guy. Perhaps I should be more negative, do you have any tips Murger?
What have you posted recently that’s been positive?

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Re: Hannibal

Post by NL Claret » Sat Dec 07, 2024 2:24 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2024 2:16 pm
What have you posted recently that’s been positive?
Nothing

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Re: Hannibal

Post by warksclaret » Sat Dec 07, 2024 2:28 pm

Casper2 wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2024 1:52 pm
What a strange comment, having a go at injured players while calling out so called fans .
If you read the post I was expressing anger over several of our so called injured players.Perhaps you can let me know what Tresor and Benson have produced for us in the last 18 months. As an absolute minimum both have taken £1.5m each in wages during this time-probably nearer £2m. I wont be the only supporter who feels angry at this.

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Re: Hannibal

Post by AlargeClaret » Sat Dec 07, 2024 2:40 pm

Should be under lock and key , he’s clearly mentally ill and a horrendous liability whenever he’s on the pitch .

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Re: Hannibal

Post by Quicknick » Sat Dec 07, 2024 2:52 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2024 2:40 pm
Should be under lock and key , he’s clearly mentally ill and a horrendous liability whenever he’s on the pitch .
Mentally ill?!

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Re: Hannibal

Post by ecc » Sat Dec 07, 2024 2:58 pm

This thread is going to be pulled.

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Re: Hannibal

Post by Stonehouse » Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:01 pm

NL Claret wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:19 am
I think we can agree we have found this season's scapegoat.

Have to LOL at comment about when Roberts was getting grief off the field and Hannibal went over to back him up. Good lad IMO. Can imagine if Hannibal hadn't done that some posters would have slagged him off for not getting involved.
It’s not long ago that Roberts was getting grief for getting involved and winding people up and look at him for the last 1/2 dozen games he been brilliant ,and how the hell can you expect guys to come on for the last quarter and make any sort of impact when they’res a force 10 gale blowing?
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Re: Hannibal

Post by jojomk1 » Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:19 pm

LincsWoldsClaret wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2024 10:31 am
No 10? He’s a ball winning defensive midfielder.
Parker doesn't seem to agree as he's never tried playing him there ?

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Re: Hannibal

Post by Casper2 » Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:29 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2024 2:28 pm
If you read the post I was expressing anger over several of our so called injured players.Perhaps you can let me know what Tresor and Benson have produced for us in the last 18 months. As an absolute minimum both have taken £1.5m each in wages during this time-probably nearer £2m. I wont be the only supporter who feels angry at this.
You saying Benson is faking injury?

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Re: Hannibal

Post by Dyched » Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:45 pm

Doesn’t have the discipline to be a DM. He’s one of them who’s talented no doubt, but doesn’t have it to make it. Will see out his career no higher than the Championship.

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Re: Hannibal

Post by RVclaret » Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:48 pm

NickBFC wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2024 10:25 am
Certainly not a '10' for me and that's his biggest problem. Maybe he'll find his more natural position in the team if Brownhill is sold next month?
Hasn’t played as a 10 all season. Same role as Brownhill apart from he is the one that presses higher up when they start together in an out of possession 4-4-2.

The only person playing in the area a 10 does here is Jay Rod (both recent games). Maybe one day our fans will understand what’s happening on the pitch because that would at least mean opinions on him (and others) carry a bit of weight!
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Re: Hannibal

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:56 pm

No wonder he looks like a fish out of water. He's been used the most advanced midfielder and it doesn't suit him at all.

Maybe one day we can have a debate about that instead of worrying about which number is being attributed to him.

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Re: Hannibal

Post by RVclaret » Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:58 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:56 pm
No wonder he looks like a fish out of water. He's been used the most advanced midfielder and it doesn't suit him at all.

Maybe one day we can have a debate about that instead of worrying about which number is being attributed to him.
Pressing high suits him, he’s energetic and works hard. I agree when he receives the ball high up the next bit is lacking, and that’s the frustrating bit. But Brownhill, Laurent, or whoever else is the other number 8 have the ‘freedom’ to push just as high in possession and in fact Brownhill did it well last night and against Bristol City.

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Re: Hannibal

Post by warksclaret » Sat Dec 07, 2024 4:00 pm

Casper2 wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:29 pm
You saying Benson is faking injury?
No I know he is injured , just like he has been for the majority of time he has been here for the best part of two and a half seasons. If he ever returns my money would him getting injured again in his first appearance. Question for you-whats up with Tresor, he has been on grass for two months supposedly training with the first team.

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Re: Hannibal

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Dec 07, 2024 4:10 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:58 pm
Pressing high suits him, he’s energetic and works hard. I agree when he receives the ball high up the next bit is lacking, and that’s the frustrating bit. But Brownhill, Laurent, or whoever else is the other number 8 have the ‘freedom’ to push just as high in possession and in fact Brownhill did it well last night and against Bristol City.
Pressing high does suit him, but the problem with him joining the forward in the 442 out of possession shape is that he's not got the skill or awareness to do anything with the ball when if he does win it.

The bottom line is we've put in our better performances this season with a genuine 4231 shape, usually with Sarmiento playing as an actual 10 and 2 midfielders sitting behind. Hannibal would be great as one of those two midfielders I think.

This high pressing number 8 role, or however you want to label it, hasn't been getting the best out of him and he's coming in for a lot of criticism. I hope Parker reconsiders how he uses Hannibal.
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Re: Hannibal

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Dec 07, 2024 4:12 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2024 4:00 pm
No I know he is injured , just like he has been for the majority of time he has been here for the best part of two and a half seasons. If he ever returns my money would him getting injured again in his first appearance. Question for you-whats up with Tresor, he has been on grass for two months supposedly training with the first team.

I reckon Tresor is as good as sold and we don't want him getting damaged.

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Re: Hannibal

Post by RVclaret » Sat Dec 07, 2024 4:32 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2024 4:10 pm
Pressing high does suit him, but the problem with him joining the forward in the 442 out of possession shape is that he's not got the skill or awareness to do anything with the ball when if he does win it.

The bottom line is we've put in our better performances this season with a genuine 4231 shape, usually with Sarmiento playing as an actual 10 and 2 midfielders sitting behind. Hannibal would be great as one of those two midfielders I think.

This high pressing number 8 role, or however you want to label it, hasn't been getting the best out of him and he's coming in for a lot of criticism. I hope Parker reconsiders how he uses Hannibal.
Yeah I mean case in point with this, does well initially but woeful decision making not to play Anthony in.
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Re: Hannibal

Post by warksclaret » Sat Dec 07, 2024 4:51 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2024 4:12 pm
I reckon Tresor is as good as sold and we don't want him getting damaged.
Suspect you are right-guess we will know shortly, and maybe we will see more activity on his instagram

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Re: Hannibal

Post by IanMcL » Sat Dec 07, 2024 6:47 pm

Casper2 wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:29 pm
You saying Benson is faking injury?
If he is, it is a bit extreme, wearing that bolig boot and leg support!

May he be back soon.

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Re: Hannibal

Post by Poulton-le-Claret » Sat Dec 07, 2024 7:58 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2024 2:28 pm
If you read the post I was expressing anger over several of our so called injured players.Perhaps you can let me know what Tresor and Benson have produced for us in the last 18 months. As an absolute minimum both have taken £1.5m each in wages during this time-probably nearer £2m. I wont be the only supporter who feels angry at this.
How are you putting the bloke who scored the winner at Ewood in the same category as Tresor?

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Re: Hannibal

Post by JR1882 » Sat Dec 07, 2024 8:06 pm

I think ideally he would play deep as a ball winner but with the energy to carry the ball upfield & progress play. I think he’s a little too wild & Ill disciplined at present to play so close to our own penalty area hence he is upfield (and Cullen’s form). If he can hone his tackling technique and discipline whilst retaining that nasty streak he will be great for us a little deeper.
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Re: Hannibal

Post by JR1882 » Sat Dec 07, 2024 8:08 pm

Also forgot to add, there are some proper whoppers on here, should have to have a profile picture so we know who you are 😂

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Re: Hannibal

Post by Stonehouse » Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:36 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2024 4:32 pm
Yeah I mean case in point with this, does well initially but woeful decision making not to play Anthony in.
I think it’s a bit over the top saying woeful decision making as though he’s killed your favourite puppy I’ll bet that 40 out of 45 professional games every weekend a player shoots instead of passes ,give the lad a break.
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Re: Hannibal

Post by willsclarets » Sun Dec 08, 2024 9:30 am

He had a poor half hour. But his blunder not playing Anthony in is being scrutinised like it's one of the biggest gaffs in footballing history. It happens all the time.

Some of the comments are way, way over the top here. Especially for a 21 year old.
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Re: Hannibal

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Dec 08, 2024 9:36 am

Clear as day to me where Hannibal’s strengths lie, why the manager can’t see it blows it my mind.

He’s going to be considerably better as a deep midfielder. His close control on the ball is strong and I think the game suits him when the ball is in front of him. He struggles with his back to goal and trying to play neat passes in the final third.

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Re: Hannibal

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Sun Dec 08, 2024 12:54 pm

Anyone moaning at Hannibal for running 30 yards after Roberts was being choked, needs to have a word with themselves. Exactly the sort of player you want someone that will have your back at all times. Last season we were crying out for someone with Hannibal’s fight
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Re: Hannibal

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Dec 08, 2024 7:02 pm

There was a time when (Burnley) fans only looked for a scapegoat after losing.

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Re: Hannibal

Post by NL Claret » Sun Dec 08, 2024 7:08 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2024 7:02 pm
There was a time when (Burnley) fans only looked for a scapegoat after losing.
Steady on Bill. I got in trouble yesterday for making a similar comment.

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Re: Hannibal

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Dec 08, 2024 7:10 pm

NL Claret wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2024 7:08 pm
Steady on Bill. I got in trouble yesterday for making a similar comment.
True though, isn't it? Some people think we have some kind of right to win every game. And if we don't then someone has to take a proportion of the blame, player or manager.
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Re: Hannibal

Post by NL Claret » Sun Dec 08, 2024 7:21 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2024 7:10 pm
True though, isn't it? Some people think we have some kind of right to win every game. And if we don't then someone has to take a proportion of the blame, player or manager.
He’s a 21 year old lad who’s trying to make his way in the game, he’s not the finished article and he made the wrong decision to set up a potential match winning chance. He will learn and continue to develop.

In football, you win some, draw some and lose too, not matter who you are.
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