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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by Noblelight » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:43 pm

That was awful, Derby were poor and we weren’t good enough to break them down. Far too much sideways movement and not quick enough moving the ball around
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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by burnley007 » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:43 pm

Blyclaret wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:43 pm
Someone should put you to sleep
Try it.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by Stan Tastic » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:44 pm

Did their keeper have to make a save in that second half?

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by warksclaret » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:44 pm

We don’t have a striker that would walk into the top half Championship sides .Flemming was shocking whether he played in his right position or not

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by RVclaret » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:44 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:43 pm
How anyone can think Pires is any good, is is woeful week in week out
I thought he was dreadful tonight. He had the space on the left but Slow, weak and not a single threatening delivery.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by FCBurnley » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:44 pm

Rovers will be above us soon.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:44 pm

Attackers needed is fine but this is selection and tactics. Luca lively but only on for 20. Jay turned our form around but was only on for 30. So, so, so negative. Yet with no reason - this lot should have been taken to the cleaners. We know Leeds, Sheffield and Sunderland would do at home.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by Tricky Trevor » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:45 pm

How in hell are we 3rd? Absolute garbage up front.
No movement, poor passing, hiding behind defenders. These are all things that can be worked on in training but it never improves. They play like strangers.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by Rick_Muller » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:45 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:43 pm
How anyone can think Pires is any good, is is woeful week in week out
One of our better players tonight
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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by Dyched » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:45 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:44 pm
We don’t have a striker that would walk into the top half League 1 sides .Flemming was shocking whether he played in his right position or not

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by willsclarets » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:45 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:43 pm
Apart from Sarmiento in he first half that performance was rubbish. Need to start with Hannibal in the midfield as look a lot better with him in the team.
Look at the thread about Hannibal after the last game, apparently he's pretty much the worst footballer on the planet.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by Commy » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:45 pm

TPClaret wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:42 pm
Jesus people got to take the rough with the smooth. We didn’t lose. Another clean sheet. Another point on the board.
It isn't that. We are so boring to watch and people pay to be entertained. Matches we have played at a higher tempo have been pretty decent to watch even though we struggled to score. This walking football is no good when every man is behind the ball.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:45 pm

Setting up with the 3 joshs at home to derby is mind blowing . Alex Neil commentating on radio lancs had it right , basic build up that lacks movement , which means that Burnley don’t scare teams. We were really bad tonight .

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by burnley007 » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:45 pm

Blyclaret wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:43 pm
Someone should put you to sleep
Pleasant. As always.
Says everything about you.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by Goliath » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:45 pm

These performances are the dullest I've seen watching Burnley since those horrific early Dyche games against Hull/Barnsley etc.

It's enough to put people off watching completely and that's what we are seeing with attendances.

I don't really know what else we can do, Parkers done a good job so sacking him would be stupid. We just don't have the players to create and score goals. We have to spend in January or we don't go up. It's that simple.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by Casper2 » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:45 pm

TPClaret wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:42 pm
Jesus people got to take the rough with the smooth. We didn’t lose. Another clean sheet. Another point on the board.
And with that attitude the ground will continue to get emptier.
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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by daveisaclaret » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:46 pm

Instead of playing boring football and hardly scoring from open play in these home games against weak opposition, we should play good football and score some goals. Controversial but true.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:47 pm

willsclarets wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:45 pm
Look at the thread about Hannibal after the last game, apparently he's pretty much the worst footballer on the planet.
No use as an impact sub but it was the two games he started where we recently looked a lot better thanks to his pressing and urgency

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by expoultryboy » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:47 pm

Koleosho caused a few problems when he first came on , so we started playing down the left to Pires !! Thick as xxxx

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by Blyclaret » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:47 pm

burnley007 wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:45 pm
Pleasant. As always.
Says everything about you.
Your continuing disrespect to the players and manager says everything about you.
Go away and support Liverpool.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by burnley007 » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:47 pm

daveisaclaret wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:46 pm
Instead of playing boring football and hardly scoring from open play in these home games against weak opposition, we should play good football and score some goals. Controversial but true.
That'll never catch on.
We need 3 defensive midfielders, no striker and keep it slow as possible, walking pace at best.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by AfloatinClaret » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:48 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:41 pm
Frustrating draw...
We're third in the division so most every side is going to continue coming to Turf Moor hoping for a draw. We need to be more aggressive, adventurous and faster, going forward - like we were in the final ten minutes - if we hope to break them down and win games; opposition teams can't sit back and waste time once they're 1 - 0 down.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by burnley007 » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:48 pm

Blyclaret wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:47 pm
Your continuing disrespect to the players and manager says everything about you.
Go away and support Liverpool.
My continuing disrespect?

You're a strange little man.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by TheFamilyCat » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:48 pm

burnley007 wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:42 pm
At what point does that become an issue to the owners?

Nothing matters more than promotion, but losing fans every week is not good.
They've already got season ticket holders money. I doubt Derby at home on a Tuesday in December would have attracted many walk ons.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:48 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:45 pm
One of our better players tonight
You have to of watched a different game if you thought Pires was good tonight, he was awful every time he got the ball. His decision making is terrible.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by Commy » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:48 pm

If I still lived there I would feel obliged to go with a season ticket so would do, but I refuse to drive 9 hours to be put to sleep.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by Dyched » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:48 pm

Gareth Southgate would have enjoyed that midfield tonight.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by jojomk1 » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:49 pm

Another home game unbeaten
In Scotty we trust

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by Stonehouse » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:49 pm

Our passing accuracy is around 85% but 95% of that is in our own half the 5% accuracy is in the final 1/3rd .

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by TheFamilyCat » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:50 pm

expoultryboy wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:47 pm
Koleosho caused a few problems when he first came on , so we started playing down the left to Pires !! Thick as xxxx
Koleosho also decided to drop level with the back four. What danger does he expect to cause from there?

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by ClaretinJapan » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:50 pm

He's Southgate 2.0. Hope I end up wrong but play offs will be the best outcome with such a cowardly approach. I'm surprised we haven't been beaten 1-0 in one of these games yet. Bound to happen sooner or later.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by Rick_Muller » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:50 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:48 pm
You have to of watched a different game if you thought Pires was good tonight, he was awful every time he got the ball. His decision making is terrible.
It’s all about opinions and you’re entitled to have a wrong one
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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by GetIntoEm » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:50 pm

Frustrating. Think we played some good football at times. Thought Trafford had a good game, and sarmiento.

Flemming must not be fit. Don't think he touched the ball once. Certainly didn't make any effort to get near the ball.

I don't usually single players out but jeez that's the worst performance I've seen from a Burnley player in years

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by Stayingup » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:50 pm

The guy selling pillows is having a great season.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by CoolClaret » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:50 pm

AfloatinClaret wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:48 pm
We're third in the division so most every side is going to continue coming to Turf Moor hoping for a draw. We need to be more aggressive, adventurous and faster, going forward - like we were in the final ten minutes - if we hope to break them down and win games; opposition teams can't sit back and waste time once they're 1 - 0 down.
I think with better forward players we win that quite convincingly.

We have a ton of final third entries and touches in the opposition box. Only Sarmiento and Jay when he came on looked like creating anything.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by Commy » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:51 pm

AfloatinClaret wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:48 pm
We're third in the division so most every side is going to continue coming to Turf Moor hoping for a draw. We need to be more aggressive, adventurous and faster, going forward - like we were in the final ten minutes - if we hope to break them down and win games; opposition teams can't sit back and waste time once they're 1 - 0 down.
We have been saying all season we need to be faster, up the tempo, but it only happens when we are chasing a win or are losing. We will keep having these boring 0-0 draws if we play at this tempo with every man behind the ball. We don't move them round. I bet this is the easiest game Derby have played all season.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by karatekid » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:51 pm

Does anyone really want to go straight back to the PL with these current players?

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by sjb » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:51 pm

Biggest puzzle was how Anthony lasted 80 minutes. He should have been hooked at half time. What a frustrating player he is.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by willsclarets » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:52 pm

The way we played at Stoke was great. The formation we played tonight, you play away from home. No problem, it's perfect. But at home, when teams sit in, we have to take the game to them. Houtondji will at least run the channels. Play Jay or Flemming in behind him. We allow poor teams to sit in a four and defend their box, and it's too easy. We are not a bad side, I really believe that. And we've shown it. But in front of our fans, we need to have a go.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by Colburn_Claret » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:52 pm

That is a really **** result.

Can't fault Parker, all that possession, all those chances, it's the players to blame. I said a couple of months ago, I feared we'd be better away from home because there is less pressure and expectation on the players. The main difference between Leeds, Sheff Utd and us is confidence. You can't coach that.
The sad thing is we'd looked like we were turning the corner. The performances have improved, but the final third is as bad as ever.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by Poulton-le-Claret » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:52 pm

Most boring game of football I've seen in years, had more fun sat in the M65 traffic. Sets us up to fail against a low block

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by Commy » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:52 pm

karatekid wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:51 pm
Does anyone really want to go straight back to the PL with these current players?
I don't like the Premier League at all but I would like some sort of entertainment for my money.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by Rick_Muller » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:53 pm

karatekid wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:51 pm
Does anyone really want to go straight back to the PL with these current players?
That’s actually a very good and valid question to ask

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by warksclaret » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:53 pm

Just been watching the last few minutes of the Leeds game
Our team needs to look at a recording to see how they attack when most sides would be sitting on a 2-1 lead with 6 minutes to go

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by Stonehouse » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:53 pm

AfloatinClaret wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:48 pm
We're third in the division so most every side is going to continue coming to Turf Moor hoping for a draw. We need to be more aggressive, adventurous and faster, going forward - like we were in the final ten minutes - if we hope to break them down and win games; opposition teams can't sit back and waste time once they're 1 - 0 down.
Let’s try buying a blood and guts no 9 and start launching a few diagonal crosses into the box ,because if media darlings Arsenal are the best thing since sliced bread scoring off corners why can’t we play a bit more direct as an option to break teams down.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by Vino blanco » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:53 pm

I hope people on here don’t think is a criticism but that was ferkin sh!te. That starting eleven we put out was lethargic without any fight whatsoever. Parker has to take the blame for that first seventy minutes. We improved when Jay and Koleosho came on but apart from Sarmiento our attacking play was garbage. Anthony is possibly the laziest and timid player I’ve seen in a long while from a Burnley player. Derby were extremely poor and we didn’t have a clue how to break them down.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by NickBFC » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:54 pm

karatekid wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:51 pm
Does anyone really want to go straight back to the PL with these current players?
Not really, but the alternative is scary - another load of players sold and a really tough do from there.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by dvalley69 » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:54 pm

SP got it wrong with the line-up and tactics. Simple as.

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by jojomk1 » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:54 pm

karatekid wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:51 pm
Does anyone really want to go straight back to the PL with these current players?
Does anyone really want to go straight back to the PL with this manager?

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Re: Clarts vs Derby

Post by TsarBomba » Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:54 pm

karatekid wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:51 pm
Does anyone really want to go straight back to the PL with these current players?
The longer we don’t go up, the standard of player we have gets worse.

The gap is too big, regardless.

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