Clarts vs Derby

[dougcollins]

I’ve never seen a player jump out of as many tackles as Anthony.

If he was any good he’d be fighting for a place in the prem, not on loan in the Championship.

And unfortunately for us, he’s Parker’s number one on the team sheet.

[The Shire Claret]

Got to have smooth for that to work.
Fans are not enjoying this football.

I didn’t enjoy tonight - but I enjoyed Stoke and Coventry and the Boro game …

Teams are coming here to park the bus and see a point as a win

We need to break these teams down but I’d rather be in our position than the opposite

Need to invest in Jan and we will be there or there abouts

[jrgbfc]

Depends how many supporters turn up. It looks like more and more are stopping going. You can stream the Saturday games which means you can turn them off when you get bored.

They already have everybody's season ticket money though. Will only be an issue if we don't go up.

[burnley007]

I didn’t enjoy tonight - but I enjoyed Stoke and Coventry and the Boro game …

Teams are coming here to park the bus and see a point as a win

We need to break these teams down but I’d rather be in our position than the opposite

Need to invest in Jan and we will be there or there abouts

I hope you're right

[TPClaret]

I didn’t enjoy tonight - but I enjoyed Stoke and Coventry and the Boro game …

Teams are coming here to park the bus and see a point as a win

We need to break these teams down but I’d rather be in our position than the opposite

Need to invest in Jan and we will be there or there abouts

Exactly. Parker did say there would be bumps in the road. You’d have thought we’d lost tonight and dropped into the relegation zone!

[burnley007]

What's that got to do with he fact that you and another poster were talking about having a fight. Which I can scarcely believe I'm typing.

Your comments now, are a lot tamer than they were. But there was a month period where it genuinely felt like the messageboard was spammed you were posting so much stuff about Parker. So you can't be that suprised that they are people who are less tolerant of you now because of it. It hasn't just happened out of thin air, has it.

Fair comment

[Swizzlestick]

Desperately disappointing performance. Line up was all wrong for a home game against Derby and we were just going through the motions all night. Lost serious ground tonight.

[123EasyasBFC]

I didn’t enjoy tonight - but I enjoyed Stoke and Coventry and the Boro game …

Teams are coming here to park the bus and see a point as a win

We need to break these teams down but I’d rather be in our position than the opposite

Need to invest in Jan and we will be there or there abouts

Derby didn’t come and park the bus like other teams have, first half Derby, gambled men forward, pressed us high and moved the ball well. They did the same for first 10 in second and then saw the game out comfortably

[CoolClaret]

I’ve never seen a player jump out of as many tackles as Anthony.

If he was any good he’d be fighting for a place in the prem, not on loan in the Championship.

And unfortunately for us, he’s Parker’s number one on the team sheet.

Out of who's available, who would you play over Anthony?

[BigGaz]

It's happened too many times this season for it to be a coincidence whereby our possession based game is slow, ponderous, lazy balls that are always a little too behind or too much in front, incorrectly weighted, or taking a bit too long to release it, and plenty of time for the opposition to jog themselves into their shape and then collectively on 75 minutes an alarm bell goes off and they think "****, we need to have a go here".

If we played how we do in that last 15 minutes of every game we'd be steamrollering teams.

As it is, we're just lacking that bit extra that Sheffield and Leeds have that are seeing them through in these tight games. Tight games against teams well below us that we were simply blowing away at this level both under Dyche and Kompany.

A bit of it's tactics, in that Parker needs to take the handbrake off, is missing key players and is forcing square pegs in round holes, and the other bit is that that we don't have one (fit) player in front of Brownhill or Cullen that are capable of producing the volume of goals and assists that are needed to go up automatically.

[TPClaret]

Derby didn’t come and park the bus like other teams have, first half Derby, gambled men forward, pressed us high and moved the ball well. They did the same for first 10 in second and then saw the game out comfortably

They barely touched the ball in our box. Camped in theirs for most of the game

[AfloatinClaret]

seriously lads? Jesus Christ.

Just ignore it, Bly and 007 are one and the same; when nobody will play with him, he likes to play with himself.

[RVclaret]

It's happened too many times this season for it to be a coincidence whereby our possession based game is slow, ponderous, lazy balls that are always a little too behind or too much in front, incorrectly weighted, or taking a bit too long to release it, and plenty of time for the opposition to jog themselves into their shape and then collectively on 75 minutes an alarm bell goes off and they think "****, we need to have a go here".

If we played how we do in that last 15 minutes of every game we'd be steamrollering teams.

As it is, we're just lacking that bit extra that Sheffield and Leeds have that are seeing them through in these tight games. Tight games against teams well below us that we were simply blowing away at this level both under Dyche and Kompany.

A bit of it's tactics, in that Parker needs to take the handbrake off, is missing key players and is forcing square pegs in round holes, and the other bit is that that we don't have one (fit) player in front of Brownhill or Cullen that are capable of producing the volume of goals and assists that are needed to go up automatically.

I think this is a fairly accurate take although Kompany’s team, at least initially, tended to struggle against hard working, organised defences and typically needed a set piece or Benson worldie to unlock them. We have neither of those two in the armoury right now.

[123EasyasBFC]

They barely touched the ball in our box. Camped in theirs for most of the game

Just because they didn’t get the ball in our box doesn’t mean they sat in, first half they were the better team in the ball for large parts, they were nothing like Preston and Coventry who properly did sit in

[Blyclaret]

Just ignore it, Bly and 007 are one and the same; when nobody will play with him, he likes to play with himself.

No we are certainly not one and same.

[dougcollins]

Out of who's available, who would you play over Anthony?

Well, we definitely improved when he went off tonight.

[dougcollins]

I think this is a fairly accurate take although Kompany’s team, at least initially, tended to struggle against hard working, organised defences and typically needed a set piece or Benson worldie to unlock them. We have neither of those two in the armoury right now.

It’s true, our set pieces are disastrous.

[boyyanno]

We've got a horribly entitled fan base imo.

I'm as frustrated as most with a point today, I was against Boro, but I don't think performances are half as bad as being made out.

We had chances to win the game, Sarmiento had two shots inside their box first half, Pires had that one at the back post, Koleoshos 1vs1 in the second. We are also dominating teams- is it perfect, no, but we're doing a lot of things right.

This group of players is very erratic on the ball and some of them need to find a bit of consistency but we really aren't that bad.

[123EasyasBFC]

We've got a horribly entitled fan base imo.

I'm as frustrated as most with a point today, I was against Boro, but I don't think performances are half as bad as being made out.

We had chances to win the game, Sarmiento had two shots inside their box first half, Pires had that one at the back post, Koleoshos 1vs1 in the second. We are also dominating teams- is it perfect, no, but we're doing a lot of things right.

This group of players is very erratic on the ball and some of them need to find a bit of consistency but we really aren't that bad.

Tonight’s performance all round was terrible mate, no two ways about it

[Dark Cloud]

On this week's thread regarding "the championship is a 3 horse race", I commented that I agreed that it is and that we would ultimately finish third of the 3. Tonight sums up exactly why!! (And also why finishing third is anything but a given!!)

[boyyanno]

Tonight’s performance all round was terrible mate, no two ways about it

There are two ways about it though. You don't pick up clean sheets and be terrible, you wouldn't even pick up a point- let alone dominate the game.

It wasn't great tonight no, but it wasn't terrible, this is the type of stupid hyperbole that just annoys me.

[123EasyasBFC]

There are two ways about it though. You don't pick up clean sheets and be terrible, you wouldn't even pick up a point- let alone dominate the game.

It wasn't great tonight no, but it wasn't terrible, this is the type of stupid hyperbole that just annoys me.

We kept a clean sheet because we played against an extremely poor side. We didn’t dominate the game at all. The all round performance tonight was terrible, loose with the ball, not doing basic stuff right. Decision making in Derby’s box, there was absolutely no thought behind it at all. We never ever looked like scoring, even the chances we had, I was never confident. That’s the main difference to this team is we don’t look like a team who knows they are gonna create chances and take one eventually. We look like a team who just hopes we will nick a goal and see a game out

[Walt]

We've got a horribly entitled fan base imo.

I'm as frustrated as most with a point today, I was against Boro, but I don't think performances are half as bad as being made out.

We had chances to win the game, Sarmiento had two shots inside their box first half, Pires had that one at the back post, Koleoshos 1vs1 in the second. We are also dominating teams- is it perfect, no, but we're doing a lot of things right.

This group of players is very erratic on the ball and some of them need to find a bit of consistency but we really aren't that bad.

Certainly agree with your entitled comment.

Are we perfect, far from it, but we're 3rd and with a couple of quality additions quite capable of going up.

The constant short passing and flicks on the edge of the box did wind me up tonight though, just shoot or cross it ffs.

[Dark Cloud]

Derby were the worst team I've seen at the Turf in a very long time. QPR were much better and Cardiff were miles better and got a 5-0 thumping because we still had the players who could murder teams prior to the fire sale. To not put that Derby team to the sword is ridiculous if you're serious about promotion.

[boyyanno]

We kept a clean sheet because we played against an extremely poor side. We didn’t dominate the game at all. The all round performance tonight was terrible, loose with the ball, not doing basic stuff right. Decision making in Derby’s box, there was absolutely no thought behind it at all. We never ever looked like scoring, even the chances we had, I was never confident. That’s the main difference to this team is we don’t look like a team who knows they are gonna create chances and take one eventually. We look like a team who just hopes we will nick a goal and see a game out

A lot of our players make poor passes or decisions, they are young, but they also have less quality than some of the ones we had before. I've mentioned before that we have a lot of erratic players going forwards, Brownhill has always been known for it, Koleosho, Anthony, Pires.

Each week on the ratings we seem to be carrying 1 or 2 that are 5/10 even when we win or draw. We aren't playing terribly though, you can pretend we didn't dominate them but we did. The stats say we did, everything says we did apart from you- we just didn't do the bit that mattered and put the ball in the net.

I don't know why I bother though, pretending we've got a good defence because we only play poor sides is next level bullshittery isn't it?

[Burnley Ace]

Derby didn’t come and park the bus like other teams have, first half Derby, gambled men forward, pressed us high and moved the ball well. They did the same for first 10 in second and then saw the game out comfortably

At times in the second half they had 11 players defending in their area!!

[ralph8]

Will Parker change his over the top cautious approach if we sign a couple of forward players- not sure - he seems to think 1 striker against 5 defenders is the way to go every week.
On any potential signings, I hope they are ready at the beginning of Jan as leaving this situation to fester until Jan 31st could see us way down the pecking order.

[The Shire Claret]

We've got a horribly entitled fan base imo.

I'm as frustrated as most with a point today, I was against Boro, but I don't think performances are half as bad as being made out.

We had chances to win the game, Sarmiento had two shots inside their box first half, Pires had that one at the back post, Koleoshos 1vs1 in the second. We are also dominating teams- is it perfect, no, but we're doing a lot of things right.

This group of players is very erratic on the ball and some of them need to find a bit of consistency but we really aren't that bad.

I’ve been saying this for a while

Extremely entitled

Reminds me of when Bolton and Wigan were demanding all sorts
Look at them now…

We are Moaning but not one game at home have we been 2nd best over 90 minutes and we are undefeated

I get it to an extent cause we have the resources but footballs not that simple

I honestly think the lack of a crowd this season has cost us getting some extra out of the players

Physiology counts for a lot and Parker has tried to stress this but it’s falling on deaf ears

Football can turn very quickly and I hope in a few seasons we are not begging for the days where we used to have teams coming and shutting up shop cause they knew that was their only chance of a point

[daveisaclaret]

We've got a horribly entitled fan base imo.

It's not entitled to think we should beat teams that we're loads better than

[123EasyasBFC]

A lot of our players make poor passes or decisions, they are young, but they also have less quality than some of the ones we had before. I've mentioned before that we have a lot of erratic players going forwards, Brownhill has always been known for it, Koleosho, Anthony, Pires.

Each week on the ratings we seem to be carrying 1 or 2 that are 5/10 even when we win or draw. We aren't playing terribly though, you can pretend we didn't dominate them but we did. The stats say we did, everything says we did apart from you- we just didn't do the bit that mattered and put the ball in the net.

I don't know why I bother though, pretending we've got a good defence because we only play poor sides is next level bullshittery isn't it?

Football isn’t played off stats, we played terrible tonight, a team that has a 15m keeper and a 15m centre back should be keeping a clean sheet against a team who have come up from league 1

[TPClaret]

Never thought id see the day so many fans would be moaning about being 3rd in the championship

[123EasyasBFC]

At times in the second half they had 11 players defending in their area!!

Which is why I said in the first half, you are referencing the second half.

Teams like Coventry and QPR sat back from minute 1, derby left loads of space in the first half but we were terrible on the ball, awful decision making

[The Shire Claret]

It's not entitled to think we should beat teams that we're loads better than

If only football was that simple

2008 - 2009 season there were loads of teams ‘better’ than us …

Premier league for years ‘we should be beating teams like Burnley’ said every team 16th and above

Derby got a point and it will feel like a win but we’ve been there done that and bought many of those t shirts for years

That’s where the hypocrisy and entitlement comes from

We should know better

[123EasyasBFC]

Never thought id see the day so many fans would be moaning about being 3rd in the championship

Why is the position in the table always the answer, are fans not allowed to be annoyed at expecting us to be comfortably beating a team who’s own manager called them a league one side.

I will praise the squad when they play well but equally call it how it is when I think they have been terrible

[boyyanno]

Football isn’t played off stats, we played terrible tonight, a team that has a 15m keeper and a 15m centre back should be keeping a clean sheet against a team who have come up from league 1

Remind me how Ipswich did when they came up from League one?

Teams play at different levels in different games, if we get clean sheets we are doing somthing right.

You're now dismissing the stats because they don't back you up. Maybe your mum also agreed with you?

[Mattster]

I don't know why I bother though, pretending we've got a good defence because we only play poor sides is next level bullshittery isn't it?

As is pretending we are only blunt in attack because the players make bad decisions

[boyyanno]

As is pretending we are only blunt in attack because the players make bad decisions

Is that what I said?

Can you please show me the quote where I said "we are only blunt in attack because the players make bad decisions"

Thanks.

[123EasyasBFC]

Remind me how Ipswich did when they came up from League one?

Teams play at different levels in different games, if we get clean sheets we are doing somthing right.

You're now dismissing the stats because they don't back you up. Maybe your mum also agreed with you?

Ipswich massive budget in league 1 compared to Derby, we got a clean sheet because Derby are a poor side not because we played well, a better striker scores the Jerry Yates chance they had.

Also very poor form to go personal bringing mothers into a discussion about someone disagreeing that it’s not entitled to think we were terrible tonight and should be beating Derby

[Vegas Claret]

anyone think Parker is getting the best out of the squad ?

[boyyanno]

Ipswich massive budget in league 1 compared to Derby, we got a clean sheet because Derby are a poor side not because we played well, a better striker scores the Jerry Yates chance they had.

Also very poor form to go personal bringing mothers into a discussion about someone disagreeing that it’s not entitled to think we were terrible tonight and should be beating Derby

Ahh so a lower team can compete with a higher one then? Strange that.

Ahhh what we'll do is just dismiss any actual evidence such as the statistics from the game then yeah?

[BigGaz]

Never thought id see the day so many fans would be moaning about being 3rd in the championship

Burnley under Coyle at this level played entertaining, forward thinking football "we're going to score one more than you"

Burnley under Dyche at this level were hardworking, in your face and high energy, total commitment.

Burnley under Kompany would pass with purpose, always probing, drawing you in then one of our extremely rapid aggressive forwards would get played in and BAM.

What all of those teams had in common is that they were entertaining to watch and even if you lost you knew you'd been to a football match.

I go to football to be entertained, It isn't just about how well we're doing in the league table, and theres no entitlement fom me, I don't expect us to turn up and roll over everyone we play.

Overwhelming consensus from Fulham and Muff fans is that he will grind out results but you'll be bored **** less, and that's what a lot of our fans feel too. They can't all be wrong. I personally don't enjoy this style of football.

[daveisaclaret]

If only football was that simple

2008 - 2009 season there were loads of teams ‘better’ than us …

Premier league for years ‘we should be beating teams like Burnley’ said every team 16th and above

Derby got a point and it will feel like a win but we’ve been there done that and bought many of those t shirts for years

That’s where the hypocrisy and entitlement comes from

We should know better

******** this. We've got players who cost more than Derby's team and made them look our equals.

[123EasyasBFC]

Ahh so a lower team can compete with a higher one then? Strange that.

Ahhh what we'll do is just dismiss any actual evidence such as the statistics from the game then yeah?

Stats don’t tell the whole story of games, Blackburn beat Leeds 1-0 the other week had 20% possession, less chances than Leeds but had the better chances when you watch the game, so by your argument based on stats Leeds were the better team but Blackburn should of won the game 3-0.

[Mattster]

Is that what I said?

Can you please show me the quote where I said "we are only blunt in attack because the players make bad decisions"

Thanks.

The post I quoted is pretty accurately summed up by that.

[boyyanno]

Stats don’t tell the whole story of games, Blackburn beat Leeds 1-0 the other week had 20% possession, less chances than Leeds but had the better chances when you watch the game, so by your argument based on stats Leeds were the better team but Blackburn should of won the game 3-0.

Yes but the difference is I was also watching the game today. Derby had one chance across 90 minutes- it was a good one admittedly, apart from that they didn't have a sniff.

We had the ball in dangerous areas for a lot of the game, our end product was poor, we haven't figured out how to accommodate the Centre Forward yet- (although I don't think we have one that suits what Parker wants).

Despite that Pires could have scored at the back post in the first half, we had a number of shots inside the box- and that's with us being- in my opinion- poor today in the first half. We also had the chance with Koleosho in the 2nd half.

I don't think we are as far off as people think, perspective is needed- we certainly weren't "terrible" but nor does that mean I think we were good which we obviously weren't.

I want this team to find its killer edge but it isn't there yet, it still looks lacking in confidence and we are having too many players preform inconsistently each week. If the 3 or 4 who are getting 5's on the player ratings get 6 then we probably win the game. Its fine margins as Dyche used to say.

People have a level of expectation that Kompany set for this side but the quality we have on the pitch right now is not at that level as a team. When we get the full squad back (if) It'll be a better time to judge.

[boyyanno]

The post I quoted is pretty accurately summed up by that.

So I didn't post what you said?

Surprise.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Wonder which player will be having a dig at the lack of atmosphere this evening in their interview.

[Mattster]

So I didn't post what you said?

Surprise.

Well you did. I was summarising it. Quoting word for word the whole thing would be pointless when you can summarise it.

As you did in your post. 123EasyasBFC didn't say word for word what you summarised either. Weird.

[boyyanno]

Well you did. I was summarising it. Quoting word for word the whole thing would be pointless when you can summarise it.

As you did in your post. 123EasyasBFC didn't say word for word what you summarised either. Weird.

So I didn't say what you said then? Thanks for clearing that up

[123EasyasBFC]

Yes but the difference is I was also watching the game today. Derby had one chance across 90 minutes- it was a good one admittedly, apart from that they didn't have a sniff.

We had the ball in dangerous areas for a lot of the game, our end product was poor, we haven't figured out how to accommodate the Centre Forward yet- (although I don't think we have one that suits what Parker wants).

Despite that Pires could have scored at the back post in the first half, we had a number of shots inside the box- and that's with us being- in my opinion- poor today in the first half. We also had the chance with Koleosho in the 2nd half.

I don't think we are as far off as people think, perspective is needed- we certainly weren't "terrible" but nor does that mean I think we were good which we obviously weren't.

I want this team to find its killer edge but it isn't there yet, it still looks lacking in confidence and we are having too many players preform inconsistently each week. If the 3 or 4 who are getting 5's on the player ratings get 6 then we probably win the game. Its fine margins as Dyche used to say.

People have a level of expectation that Kompany set for this side but the quality we have on the pitch right now is not at that level as a team. When we get the full squad back (if) It'll be a better time to judge.

Derby had 3 chances in the second half and looked more like scoring towards the end than we did.

Other than the either brownhill and Sarmiento chances, the only other chance was koleosho.

We are relying on an official making a handball decision which would have been a pen with VAR but soft in my view.

Our all round play tonight was terrible, so many times Humphreys and Cullen loose passes to each other. Pires coming towards the ball at the end when esteve is playing a pass forwards which results in it going out of play, Pires then being offside at the end. Nothing balls into the box with no thought just hoping for the best.

Thats what makes it terrible, the team looked unbalanced and like it had absolutely no plan tonight, it was almost like Parker thought this is derby I can try Flemming in the 9 again, I can play a left sided cb at right cb, I can play a midfield 3 that hasn’t worked most of the season. Move Sarmiento from the 10 to the left wing but he ended up playing so narrow, him and brownhill on top of each other.

I just can’t see how anyone can watch that game tonight and not think it wasn’t a terrible watch, that’s not being entitled that’s just wanting a team of good players to be able to do basics right