Empty Seats

[ClaretinJapan]

That in my case is spot on. Due to work patterns if I had a season ticket I'd pretty much miss over 50% of home games, the walk on prices though now imo are a joke. I fancied going on the Boro game, looked at the forecast and thought nah not at those prices !

I've been a very occasional visitor for a long time now, but after last season selling in advance and a daft membership scheme, and now 40 quid, I wouldn't attend. 25 quid is about right, and maybe a tenner for the recent soporific dross.

[NewClaret]

Certainly been a factor for me, I’m attending less and less games every year mainly because it’s more convenient and cost effective just stay at home and watch the match.

Il still try get to a few in person but honestly not that fussed about just watching the majority on tv

Yeah we know you’re an armchair supporter Newcastle

For me I’ll always go on (aways when I can). Nothing beats the walk to the ground, the atmosphere outside, the banter with those around me or the half time bene. You can’t get that on Sky.

[bumba]

There’s more goals in Europe.

The Bundesliga for example since the year 2000 has had 23 seasons with an average of 2.7 goals a game.

The Championship has had 3.

Maybe because the players are walking out to brilliant atmospheres every game whilst warming up and constantly carries on for 90 mins

[ClaretPete001]

Most of this thread is completely pointless because the attendances in England at the moment are very high. I wouldn't be surprised if Championship attendances break records this season.

The attendances at Turf are also high. The problem is Christmas, the weather, the fact we can't score and because too much of the fanbase drank the ALK/VK Kool Aid and are now crashing to earth with a bump.

[The Shire Claret]

Most of this thread is completely pointless because the attendances in England at the moment are very high. I wouldn't be surprised if Championship attendances break records this season.

The attendances at Turf are also high. The problem is Christmas, the weather, the fact we can't score and because too much of the fanbase drank the ALK/VK Kool Aid and are now crashing to earth with a bump.

I'm half with you but you can't hide the fact that a good few walk on fans will now not be able to afford to pay to come on.

Debate and discussion about the high prices of tickets and everything else that has rocketed is not pointless

[Goliath]

Looks like there were quite a few at the fans forum as well

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Looks like there were quite a few at the fans forum as well

It was at least half empty I would say. Guy behind me fell asleep and started snoring at one point until I gave him a nudge

[ClaretPete001]

I'm half with you but you can't hide the fact that a good few walk on fans will now not be able to afford to pay to come on.

Debate and discussion about the high prices of tickets and everything else that has rocketed is not pointless

I would have thought any debate should start with the facts. Championship attendances are at a record high and attendances at Turf Moor in the Championship are also much higher than they have been previously (other than VKs season).

The problem is likely Season Ticket holders not attending because even against Boro the official attendance was nearly 20,600, which is nigh on a full house and more than the average PL attendances.

Anyone is free to say any old crap but a few facts would make it more meaningful.

Of course, if we keep drawing 0-0 at home attendances will go down.

[Dyched]

Better way to judge Championship attendances is to work out the percentage of how full the grounds are.

It helps now that Leeds/Sheff Wed/Sheff Utd/Sunderland etc are in it.

If 3 of those went up and replaced by Brentford/Bournemouth/Palace the attendance figures would drop.

[ClaretPete001]

Better way to judge Championship attendances is to work out the percentage of how full the grounds are.

It helps now that Leeds/Sheff Wed/Sheff Utd/Sunderland etc are in it.

If 3 of those went up and replaced by Brentford/Bournemouth/Palace the attendance figures would drop.

Cherry picking data to suit a point isn't the best way to look at attendances.

You would have to find a time when none of the big clubs were in the Championship and then compare it. I would suggest it would still be at a record high.

We are talking about 100 plus year highs there is no way around it most of the stuff on here is nonsense.

The attendance of 20,600 is higher than the average attendances in the 1970s in the top division in the football pyramid and it was played on a Friday night in a storm.

And higher than the iconic game in 2015/16 when we both went up.

[The Shire Claret]

I would have thought any debate should start with the facts. Championship attendances are at a record high and attendances at Turf Moor in the Championship are also much higher than they have been previously (other than VKs season).

The problem is likely Season Ticket holders not attending because even against Boro the official attendance was nearly 20,600, which is nigh on a full house and more than the average PL attendances.

Anyone is free to say any old crap but a few facts would make it more meaningful.

Of course, if we keep drawing 0-0 at home attendances will go down.

Facts and opinions can often be fused into one if the person stating them has their own narrative to uphold...

The point I made about cost is a fact ... it's a fact that prices have gone up ... and it is a fact that people are no longer attending because they don't have enough money in the bank to buy the tickets

there are many other underlying factors that affect attendances and 0-0 results will make people that can afford it, spend their hard earned elsewhere.

I would say ticket prices are a meaningful point and not one that should be ignored

[Anonymous Claret]

I suppose there are quite a lot of factors explaining the empty seats with most being mentioned on this thread.

1. The football isn't that exciting to watch, especially at home at the moment.
2. Inconvenient kick off times due to TV etc.
3. An aging fan base who will often make decisions based on the weather, travelling in the dark or whether it is on the TV etc.
4. A poor atmosphere. It is much better away.
5. The excessive cost for walk ons.
6. The unrealistic expectations from some of our fan base.

Regarding the final point we are in a position that I would realistically expect us to be in after the chaos towards the end of the transfer window and our lengthy injury list. I doubt any of the top 5 or 6 clubs have an injury list like ours.

If we can stay around the top 6 until the end of the year, strengthen in the wide areas and up front, I believe we can challenge for a top 2 position. Our keeper, defence and central midfield players are probably the strongest in the league. If none of our injured attack minded players are available in January then we need to strengthen in those areas.

[Quickenthetempo]

Cherry picking data to suit a point isn't the best way to look at attendances.

You would have to find a time when none of the big clubs were in the Championship and then compare it. I would suggest it would still be at a record high.

We are talking about 100 plus year highs there is no way around it most of the stuff on here is nonsense.

The attendance of 20,600 is higher than the average attendances in the 1970s in the top division in the football pyramid and it was played on a Friday night in a storm.

And higher than the iconic game in 2015/16 when we both went up.

You are quoting tickets sold, not attendees.

The attendance would be nearer 15k and that's with the last 3 clubs bringing over 1500 away supporters.

[jrgbfc]

Cherry picking data to suit a point isn't the best way to look at attendances.

You would have to find a time when none of the big clubs were in the Championship and then compare it. I would suggest it would still be at a record high.

We are talking about 100 plus year highs there is no way around it most of the stuff on here is nonsense.

The attendance of 20,600 is higher than the average attendances in the 1970s in the top division in the football pyramid and it was played on a Friday night in a storm.

And higher than the iconic game in 2015/16 when we both went up.

Cherry picking data is more accurate than using wrong figures though. The club might be giving our attendances as 20 thousand but thats not the bums on seats, proper figure. The cricket field stand is supposedly sold out to season ticket holders yet there was swathes of empty seats.

[ClaretPete001]

Facts and opinions can often be fused into one if the person stating them has their own narrative to uphold...

The point I made about cost is a fact ... it's a fact that prices have gone up ... and it is a fact that people are no longer attending because they don't have enough money in the bank to buy the tickets

there are many other underlying factors that affect attendances and 0-0 results will make people that can afford it, spend their hard earned elsewhere.

I would say ticket prices are a meaningful point and not one that should be ignored

'and it is a fact that people are no longer attending because they don't have enough money in the bank to buy the tickets'

Where is your evidence for that...? I've pointed out to you several times. The attendance for the Boro game was practically a sell out. The average attendance for the season is 19,600, which is more than attended the last PL season under Sean Dyche season and a very high figure for Burnley in the Championship.

In fact in the early part of the season we averaged over 20,000.

The reason people aren't going on to Turf is because of the playing style not the cost. More people are watching Championship games than ever before and more people are attending Championship games at the Turf than ever before.

Give me one single fact other than you just saying stuff to make your point.

[ClaretPete001]

Cherry picking data is more accurate than using wrong figures though. The club might be giving our attendances as 20 thousand but thats not the bums on seats, proper figure. The cricket field stand is supposedly sold out to season ticket holders yet there was swathes of empty seats.

So, ok the CFS is sold out to Season Ticket holders and the reason there are empty seats is because people can't afford it?

[Row x]

'and it is a fact that people are no longer attending because they don't have enough money in the bank to buy the tickets'

Where is your evidence for that...? I've pointed out to you several times. The attendance for the Boro game was practically a sell out. The average attendance for the season is 19,600, which is more than attended the last PL season under Sean Dyche season and a very high figure for Burnley in the Championship.

In fact in the early part of the season we averaged over 20,000.

The reason people aren't going on to Turf is because of the playing style not the cost. More people are watching Championship games than ever before and more people are attending Championship games at the Turf than ever before.

Give me one single fact other than you just saying stuff to make your point.

Friday night was crap weather....that's one reason

Historically crowds are lower in December ..that's another

Night games have lower crowds....that's another

[ClaretPete001]

Friday night was crap weather....that's one reason

Historically crowds are lower in December ..that's another

Night games have lower crowds....that's another

All true and I've said them above but I think there is something more than that going on but anyway I think we can all agree that if there are empty seats in a sold out CFS - it's not because people can't afford to pay the ticket price.

[Row x]

All true and I've said them above but I think there is something more than that going on but anyway I think we can all agree that if there are empty seats in a sold out CFS - it's not because people can't afford to pay the ticket price.

Most of the empty seats are season ticket holders, but because our prices are well priced, they can miss some games, for whatever reason, and still be in pocket.

[NL Claret]

All true and I've said them above but I think there is something more than that going on but anyway I think we can all agree that if there are empty seats in a sold out CFS - it's not because people can't afford to pay the ticket price.

Something more going on………perhaps that could be Sky + and how much more easier it is to access the games at home.

Sky + will have a negative impact on ticket sales, KO times were one of the main reasons for getting rid of my ST in the PL. How many Sat 3pm home games have there been? 3/10. This new deal is bad for paying fans of all EFL clubs.

[dougcollins]

There were a fair few diehards missing around me on Tuesday in the Longside Lower.

Something not right, I would agree.

[clarethomer]

Will be stopping at end of season if things don't improve. Im just fed up.

Fed up of us being predictable & boring to watch.

Fed up of how flat the atmosphere is in the ground.

Fed up of persisting with Flemming as a 9.

If it wasn't for the social element of the pre-match pint or 2, I would probably have stopped by now this season.

[The Shire Claret]

'and it is a fact that people are no longer attending because they don't have enough money in the bank to buy the tickets'

Where is your evidence for that...? I've pointed out to you several times. The attendance for the Boro game was practically a sell out. The average attendance for the season is 19,600, which is more than attended the last PL season under Sean Dyche season and a very high figure for Burnley in the Championship.

In fact in the early part of the season we averaged over 20,000.

The reason people aren't going on to Turf is because of the playing style not the cost. More people are watching Championship games than ever before and more people are attending Championship games at the Turf than ever before.

Give me one single fact other than you just saying stuff to make your point.

So in one hand you are saying I need to provide facts - where my facts are that real human people have told me they don’t go on this season because they can’t afford it - I.e. fact

Yet you state the reason people aren’t paying to come on is playing style which you can’t state is a fact, that’s your opinion… one I agree is a contributing factor by the way

I agree we are still well attended compared to other seasons in the championship bar VK season

Your statements in my ‘opinion’ are contradictory

But the original point of this topic is ‘Empty Seats’

There was a lot of empty seats in the corners where walk ons take against Borough and Derby and if we don’t go up it will get worse

Price will absolutely be one of the key reasons - Fact

[jrgbfc]

So, ok the CFS is sold out to Season Ticket holders and the reason there are empty seats is because people can't afford it?

Point was more that the club are giving out false attendance figures. A lot of our crowds this season have probably been around the 14 thousand mark, yet been given as 18 or 19 thousand.

[BigChaCha]

jrgbfc » Thu Dec 12, 2024 9:05 pm

Point was more that the club are giving out false attendance figures. A lot of our crowds this season have probably been around the 14 thousand mark, yet been given as 18 or 19 thousand.

They were nowhere near that low and it is standard practice among most clubs these days to include complimentary and season ticket holders in the attendance figures.

[NL Claret]

Kieran Maguire posted on twitter that there’s tickets available for a 7pm KO on Sunday for Chelsea v Brentford, cheapest £180.

He included in his tweet there were loads of unsold seats for BHA v Palace. 2pm KO on Sky.

The way football ticket pricing and television coverage is going, empty seats are the future, it’s not just a Burnley thing.