Atmosphere

[Jakubclaret]

Do they sell Jakemans in the BL?

you really shouldn’t be attending with flu and chest infractions though!

The general point is that some people are feeling under the weather suffering with chesty coughs & sore throats & not necessarily in the best of shapes to be making a ruckus. Like I said fair play to them that can.

[NewClaret]

The general point is that some people are feeling under the weather suffering with chesty coughs & sore throats & not necessarily in the best of shapes to be making a ruckus. Like I said fair play to them that can.

Oh sorry, thought you were having a bit of banter.

Obviously, the questions I raised in my post was not aimed at people who can’t participate on medical grounds but my observation would be that it’s not a seasonal thing.

Although it’s also quite rare where all the other three sides get going to the point it stands out too, especially this season.

[Jakubclaret]

Oh sorry, thought you were having a bit of banter.

Obviously, the questions I raised in my post was not aimed at people who can’t participate on medical grounds but my observation would be that it’s not a seasonal thing.

Although it’s also quite rare where all the other three sides get going to the point it stands out too, especially this season.

Aside of that on a perennial basis it could be that some people just want to watch the game with abit of peace & quiet & can't be arsed doing much else. For some people it's escapism from being hen pecked at home. If it's not bothering you or having any impact upon your enjoyment would it not be wise to just let folk get on with whatever they want to do.

[Bosscat]

Gotta love UTC ... We are third, and on same points and almost same goal diff as 2 years ago.

Last season was dire & everyone was wishing we were back down in the Championship ...

Now we are, and we are not doing too shabbily.

OK we know that sometimes the footie isn`t quite what we would like but ... We have the best defence, a midfield full of goals, but we do have a makeshift frontline.

We have a manager who has had to rebuild, and one or two who seem to not wish to play (for whatever reason)

The atmosphere yesterday was pretty good from where I sit in the JHU ... (At least some of the more unpleasant songs were avoided).

Quite a few empty seats ... but the 5 or 6 around me that were empty, were folk that were ill, and lets face it, a cold wet afternoon sat outside is not the place to be spreading cold and flu germs about just before Christmas.

Merry Christmas and I was singing the following yesterday all the way home.

Jingle Bells Jingle bells
Jingle all the way
Oh what fun when Burnley win
and B`tards lose away.

[NewClaret]

I've no problem with anyone singing/ chanting in support of the Clarets and would positively encourage it.

You seem to be singling out those that would actually want to watch the match.

To be fair, I was the same as you with my insular, narrow minded views.

It got a bit better when I went to secondary school.

Firstly, my reply to you started with three laughing emoji’s. That was because I thought your post was funny, particularly your “until most of them ran out of breath” comment. I thought you were making a light-hearted, tongue-in-cheek quip at the atmosphere in your own stand.

To be clear - I have not singled out anyone. I raised a question that often runs through my mind when all three sides are singing and the BL is sat in silence. I think it’s pretty reasonable for fans of other stands to make those observations in the same way if I were in the CFS I’d probably ask myself why other stands don’t join in with more songs/more often when they start them.

Assuming now you weren’t joking when you said “until they ran out of breath” I’d say that comment was far more insulting to your fellow BLers than anything in my post. And, ironically, also your ‘secondary school’ comment far more childish than anything I wrote. I shan’t reciprocate.

To your other points, I’m not really sure why you think singing requires you to stand, goad away fans or miss any of the match? I don’t miss a kick.

But I agree, it is good we have four separate stands that cater for the different needs and demographs of our fanbase and although I often think the atmosphere would be much better if the CFS, Longside and JMc were all joined together, 75% of the ground singing isn’t bad at all and far more than I see in most home grounds to be fair.

[NewClaret]

Aside of that on a perennial basis it could be that some people just want to watch the game with abit of peace & quiet & can't be arsed doing much else. For some people it's escapism from being hen pecked at home. If it's not bothering you or having any impact upon your enjoyment would it not be wise to just let folk get on with whatever they want to do.

Hen pecked at home Fair point

You’re right it’s not bothering me, it was just a question, and I think your post is probably close to the truth - they just cba. Nowt wrong in that in the same way there’s nothing wrong with asking the question or having a bit of debate about it.

[Big Vinny K]

Hen pecked at home Fair point

You’re right it’s not bothering me, it was just a question, and I think your post is probably close to the truth - they just cba. Nowt wrong in that in the same way there’s nothing wrong with asking the question or having a bit of debate about it.

Not really cba. It’s perfectly normal to love watching Burnley, enjoy the games and be very excited when we score without singing all the time.
Football has changed and supporters have changed too.
The atmosphere at many grounds is very different to what it was years ago - for many reasons.
For a number of seasons we have had almost sell out crowds at Turf Moor but for many years when we were averaging 12 or 13 thousand (or even less) there was more noise, singing and atmosphere. We are nowhere unique in that. I’ve been regularly to City games with far less fans than they get now and it was a miles better and louder atmosphere….and that is / was the case at many grounds.


As individual supporters as you get older (and I realise I’m generalising here) many of us just have a different experience at home games in particular. Away games I’ve attended in last few years are much better atmosphere usually….and I’d say more like the “olden days”. But then again for the many seasons I used to go to pretty much every single away game it was always better atmosphere than home games and bearing in mind the standard we were playing at and the low percentage of games we ever won then following Burnley has invariably been about being with your mates than what happens on the pitch !!

[Whitgord]

I sit in the Bob Lord and do sing along with the other stands when I want to. I also go to many away games and sing along WHEN I WANT TO. I often find myself singing alone in the Bob Lord and that doesn’t bother me in the slightest but doesn’t encourage me either. The biggest problem for me is that I won’t sing any songs with unsuitable lyrics and that excludes most of them. I shout a lot and comment on the game a lot and I believe I am fully involved and passionate. Stop picking on our stand, we can be just as passionate without singing our heads off. Each to their own.

[NewClaret]

Not really cba. It’s perfectly normal to love watching Burnley, enjoy the games and be very excited when we score without singing all the time.
Football has changed and supporters have changed too.
The atmosphere at many grounds is very different to what it was years ago - for many reasons.
For a number of seasons we have had almost sell out crowds at Turf Moor but for many years when we were averaging 12 or 13 thousand (or even less) there was more noise, singing and atmosphere. We are nowhere unique in that. I’ve been regularly to City games with far less fans than they get now and it was a miles better and louder atmosphere….and that is / was the case at many grounds.


As individual supporters as you get older (and I realise I’m generalising here) many of us just have a different experience at home games in particular. Away games I’ve attended in last few years are much better atmosphere usually….and I’d say more like the “olden days”. But then again for the many seasons I used to go to pretty much every single away game it was always better atmosphere than home games and bearing in mind the standard we were playing at and the low percentage of games we ever won then following Burnley has invariably been about being with your mates than what happens on the pitch !!

Agree with all your points.

And by no way do I think Turf Moor is by any means the worst ground for home atmosphere. I think it’s pretty good overall and having 3/4 stands singing - over 75% in attendance terms most likely - is actually hugely impressive when it gets going. When I go away I rarely see/hear annything anywhere near as good.

I also agree that away atmospheres are way better. My last away was at Stoke and that was fantastic. I’ll be at Sheff U on Boxing Day and expect that’ll be the same.

I wonder whether any BLers go away and sing (i.e. like to sing away, but not at home)? Before anyone gets their knickers in a knot, that’s not a criticism just a curiosity as to whether it actually has a lot who want to sing, but don’t at home for whatever reason. Or, as Jakub says, and as you allude, its just the home of the more passive fans who don’t want to sing/cba/are the group that have changed.

Your point about atmosphere being better when we had 12k/13k is an interesting one because I’d bet my bottom dollar that those now sat in the BL now are the hardcore who were creating that better atmosphere during tougher times . Which probably suggests they’ve changed, as you say, and the atmosphere is now being carried by a newer generation of fans.

For me, maybe I’ll change at some point too, but I doubt it. I think the day I don’t want to be part of the atmosphere I’ll jack it in. Again, this isn’t a criticism of anyone who feels differently - each to their own - just an observation on my what attracts me to live football.

I actually think I’d find it incredibly hard not to sing, it’s like a nervous reaction I have

[NewClaret]

I sit in the Bob Lord and do sing along with the other stands when I want to. I also go to many away games and sing along WHEN I WANT TO. I often find myself singing alone in the Bob Lord and that doesn’t bother me in the slightest but doesn’t encourage me either. The biggest problem for me is that I won’t sing any songs with unsuitable lyrics and that excludes most of them. I shout a lot and comment on the game a lot and I believe I am fully involved and passionate. Stop picking on our stand, we can be just as passionate without singing our heads off. Each to their own.

Good post and good on you.

I had just asked that question about away matches but posts crossed.

Fair point about the unsuitable lyrics. Although I think most songs are suitable - or can be easily adapted if you don’t like the B word. There’s not many with terrible language.

I personally draw the line at tragedy chanting, so I respect people have limits.

Not sure how many times I have to say this, but I was not “picking on the BL stand”. I said I often question what people in the BL think when the other side get going and the BL doesn’t. You have to be seriously over sensitive to take offence to that, but I would add that the CFS also gets WAY more criticism from fans on here for being ‘quiet today’, ‘full of coke heads’ or ‘singing too quickly’ on here than the BL ever has.

[Row x]

I used to be right in the middle of the singing in the old Longside, but I was young.
Now I'm much older I'm more than happy to cheer the team from the bob lord stand, and leave the singing to the younger ones.

[IanMcL]

Should have felt sorry for everybody freezing cold, and no excitement. We are crap to watch but winning and 3rd in league so everybody is happy.

That was the best performance of the season, against a team unbeaten in six! We played them off the park.

[NewClaret]

I used to be right in the middle of the singing in the old Longside, but I was young.
Now I'm much older I'm more than happy to cheer the team from the bob lord stand, and leave the singing to the younger ones.

Do you sing away, or tend to avoid away games now?

[claret wizard]

One thing this thread does show, stay away from your keyboard after a few sherberts.

[fidelcastro]

One thing this thread does show, stay away from your keyboard after a few sherberts.

I think it was something far more hallucinogenic than that!

[NewClaret]

I think it was something far more hallucinogenic than that!

[Row x]

Do you sing away, or tend to avoid away games now?

Why would I avoid away games?

[NewClaret]

Why would I avoid away games?

My question was whether you sing at away games (if you go)?

[It Is What It Is]

Oh for the days of the 60's when we all had rattles and singing along in the Cricket Field End and The Longside.....now that was atmosphere!!

[Row x]

My question was whether you sing at away games (if you go)?

You asked if I tended to avoid away games

No I don't, on both counts

[NewClaret]

You asked if I tended to avoid away games

No I don't, on both counts

Fair enough, I just wondered if not singing was limited to home games, or away too.

[Row x]

Fair enough, I just wondered if not singing was limited to home games, or away too.

I do plenty of clapping, cheering etc, but OAPs stood singing silly songs is not a good look, been there, done it.

[NewClaret]

I do plenty of clapping, cheering etc, but OAPs stood singing silly songs is not a good look, been there, done it.

I can see your point on some songs. “Oh Burner-ley” for example. I don’t think OAP’s singing the old favourites like NNN, We are the longside, In our Lancashire home, Come to Ewood, etc is a bad look at all. Great look, actually.

[Vino blanco]

As an expat in Spain I obviously watch all our games with my friends on tv. I don’t know where they position the mikes but yesterday’s atmosphere at the Turf sounded really great. You could hear all the songs really loud and it it seemed to carry on throughout the whole game. The players must hear and appreciate that kind of support.

[Goliath]

Absolutely dreadful atmosphere again tonight. Empty seats everywhere, no atmosphere. Are we actually challenging for promotion?

[blatherwickstattoos]

Pathetic tonight. For the magnitude of the game.

[Stayingup]

Absolutely dreadful atmosphere again tonight. Empty seats everywhere, no atmosphere. Are we actually challenging for promotion?

Summed it up. Night match. Too many this season. Saturday is for football.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Attendances aren’t helped midweek when you can stay at home and watch it on tv.

[Goliath]

Summed it up. Night match. Too many this season. Saturday is for football.

We used to say night games under the lights were special. It wasn't tonight, I was bored senseless to be honest.
I think Pace has a huge decision to make int he summer if we don't go up, the number of empty seats must be worrying.

[Gp8419]

Most home games nationwide have poor atmospheres,it’s always the away fans giving the library chant! Pompey maybe an exception was bouncing at the weekend. Weird as people wake these threads back up after not winning again strange!

[GetIntoEm]

Couldn't believe so many missed tonight. Be usual excuses, kids have school, dog has dentist in the morning, too late to catch bus, motorway was closed.

Can't be arsed bingo

[Goliath]

Most home games nationwide have poor atmospheres,it’s always the away fans giving the library chant! Pompey maybe an exception was bouncing at the weekend. Weird as people wake these threads back up after not winning again strange!

I brought it up because I went to the game, I watched Saturdays on TV. I'm genuinely worried about the clubs direction under Parker if we don't go up. The apathy is absolutely clear around the stands, there's no point just pretending it isn't.

[daveisaclaret]

The atmosphere, as it has been on the Turf for as long as I've been going, was pretty in line with what was happening on the pitch. Probably always will be too.

[claret wizard]

Couldn't believe so many missed tonight. Be usual excuses, kids have school, dog has dentist in the morning, too late to catch bus, motorway was closed.

Can't be arsed bingo

Sorry, but not having this. This season with TV rescheduled fixtures has been ridiculous. Don’t be calling out your fellow Clarets for the consequences of this.

[blatherwickstattoos]

442 formation , route 1 . Was about 1991/2 vs Northampton 5-0 win. Longside never stopped singing . 4th division. How times change . It’s embarrassing

[GetIntoEm]

Sorry, but not having this. This season with TV rescheduled fixtures has been ridiculous. Don’t be calling out your fellow Clarets for the consequences of this.

745pm on a Tuesday is pretty standard championship tackle. Not out of the ordinary

[claret wizard]

745pm on a Tuesday is pretty Saturday championship tackle. Not out of the ordinary

True, but it’s attritional, the non Saturday at 3pm fixtures keep adding up and eventually people will just watch it at home. Like tonight.

[RVclaret]

We used to say night games under the lights were special. It wasn't tonight, I was bored senseless to be honest.
I think Pace has a huge decision to make int he summer if we don't go up, the number of empty seats must be worrying.

We won the last two home games 4-0 and we are 2 points off first. It’s crazy to think ‘the football’ is what is keeping people away. If that’s the case, blimey, what sort of crowd would be on if we were mid table (regardless of manager, it would be worse)? Would we have to close part of the ground like them lot do?

[bumba]

We won the last two home games 4-0 and we are 2 points off first. It’s crazy to think ‘the football’ is what is keeping people away. If that’s the case, blimey, what sort of crowd would be on if we were mid table (regardless of manager, it would be worse)? Would we have to close part of the ground like them lot do?

If we were mid table we'd be getting 14/15k on like we used too.
The football isn't particularly exciting but the prices are the main issue, Pace needs to walk around town and the areas of Burnley to understand the lack of money about.

[Woodleyclaret]

Great support yesterday despite the spoiling tactics of WBA and that inept fool Ward doing the worst impression of a ref you will see in many a long while.Like many Clarets fans I left angry at our tactics and poor substitution use by SP.We were let down badly with our ponderous build up and misplaced passes.But onwards and upwards thanks to Brizzle City and the Nobbers.We are off for a short break on the Gower and another away win UTC

[Goalkeeper]

We won the last two home games 4-0 and we are 2 points off first. It’s crazy to think ‘the football’ is what is keeping people away. If that’s the case, blimey, what sort of crowd would be on if we were mid table (regardless of manager, it would be worse)? Would we have to close part of the ground like them lot do?

In those 2 games, 'the football' was dire. Yes we scored 4, and no one can complain about that. However, we scored 4 goals from 3 shots on Saturday!
How many shots did we have last night? How much of our possession is in our own half with sideways or backwards passing?

[Sheedyclaret]

Couldn't believe so many missed tonight. Be usual excuses, kids have school, dog has dentist in the morning, too late to catch bus, motorway was closed.

Can't be arsed bingo

You missed work off the list

[Nonayforever]

If we were mid table we'd be getting 14/15k on like we used too.
The football isn't particularly exciting but the prices are the main issue, Pace needs to walk around town and the areas of Burnley to understand the lack of money about.

I agree.
Last night would have cost me £37. I'm not a season ticket holder now as I work weekends so I actually like the midweek matches, but the last midweek match cost £22 for the same seat. The Leeds match cost £44.
Ii missed last night on principle. If every match cost £30, I would not hesitate.

[Shaun1983]

You missed work off the list

Exactly, having a go at fellow fans who can’t make it. I missed my first game in three years last night as I’m working away and didn’t fancy a ten hour round trip

[RVclaret]

In those 2 games, 'the football' was dire. Yes we scored 4, and no one can complain about that. However, we scored 4 goals from 3 shots on Saturday!
How many shots did we have last night? How much of our possession is in our own half with sideways or backwards passing?

It really wasn’t dire. We didn’t score 4 from 3 shots. Very entitled.

[Casper2]

Couldn't believe so many missed tonight. Be usual excuses, kids have school, dog has dentist in the morning, too late to catch bus, motorway was closed.

Can't be arsed bingo

Isn’t it called freedom of choice .

[RVclaret]

How much of our possession is in our own half with sideways or backwards passing?

Since you asked… we currently rank:

- 2nd for % of passes in a game in the oppositions final third vs our own third
- 4th for passes in the opponents half

[claretonthecoast1882]

Makes you wonder why all those reasons people can't attend midweek games when in the Championship aren't a factor when in the Prem.

The fact people can buy season tickets knowing they aren't going to attend quite a few games maybe season tickets are too cheap. Still the match threads wouldn't be what they are without the regular non attenders.

[Quickenthetempo]

The atmosphere started off quite good, with both sets of fans bouncing off each other.
After about 10 minutes the cameras panned around the ground in the Bob Lord and lower tiers and the fans looked bored stiff, hundreds of them. A worrying sign.

Possession football will never create good atmospheres in England.

[Milltown1882]

Makes you wonder why all those reasons people can't attend midweek games when in the Championship aren't a factor when in the Prem.

The fact people can buy season tickets knowing they aren't going to attend quite a few games maybe season tickets are too cheap. Still the match threads wouldn't be what they are without the regular non attenders.

250 mile round trip with no public transport options and a one year old at home. Think that’s a reasonable enough excuse not to be able to attend a midweek game.