Muric

[The Shire Claret]

Simple for me

We would have been relegated with Trafford and Muric in net at the same time.

If VK did what I think he should have done and start Muric against city as he earnt the right to do so.... Trafford would have been looked at very differently by the fans should he have come in due to Muric errors.

I still think some Fans need to have a serious look at themselves for the treatment Trafford got last season and he wont forget that...

It wasn't the keepers fault last season and I think they are both very good keepers...

Same with Ipswich this season - no Keeper will have an easy ride for most games when you are one of the worst teams in a very good league

[fidelcastro]

Cost us more points, made more mistakes, played less games but must have been better because the crowd cheered. Jesus wept.

Check out Ian's back catalogue when it comes to keepers.

He really hasn't a clue.

[deanothedino]

Imagine thinking football works like that.

It's the same logic the Muric fans use so I thought I'd give it a try.

[deanothedino]

Thats like saying the saves Trafford made away at Brighton didn’t help towards a point.

That's exactly what a lot of people did and do though. They make out like Trafford never made a save in the PL.

[IanMcL]

Cost us more points, made more mistakes, played less games but must have been better because the crowd cheered. Jesus wept.

That is a misrepresentation

[IanMcL]

Check out Ian's back catalogue when it comes to keepers.

He really hasn't a clue.

Hello Fidel. Such a wise poster, you, eh?

[fidelcastro]

Hello Fidel. Such a wise poster, you, eh?

Compared to you, yeah.

[IanMcL]

Compared to you, yeah.

We all have opinions Fidel. Probably better you keep yours in your head.

[fidelcastro]

We all have opinions Fidel. Probably better you keep yours in your head.

Sure we do, but yours range from the naive to the bizarre.

[deanothedino]

That is a misrepresentation

Just how what you said came across. He was "better" but he cost us more games.

[IanMcL]

Just how what you said came across. He was "better" but he cost us more games.

He wasn't there that long! His errors were...inexplicable.

It was essential that he came in for Trafford, who was shot mentally and the crowd were giving him issues.

Kompany responsible.

[IanMcL]

Sure we do, but yours range from the naive to the bizarre.

At least I don't seek to abuse others, at every opportunity!

No need for it.

[BurnleyFC]

Simple for me

We would have been relegated with Trafford and Muric in net at the same time.

If VK did what I think he should have done and start Muric against city as he earnt the right to do so.... Trafford would have been looked at very differently by the fans should he have come in due to Muric errors.

I still think some Fans need to have a serious look at themselves for the treatment Trafford got last season and he wont forget that...

It wasn't the keepers fault last season and I think they are both very good keepers...

Same with Ipswich this season - no Keeper will have an easy ride for most games when you are one of the worst teams in a very good league

Correct, we would’ve still been relegated with Muric and Trafford in the nets, but I take umbrage with the supposed ‘abuse’ Trafford received last season. The fans at games were mostly supportive of him.

The fault lies squarely with Kompany who as you rightly say should have started with Muric in between the sticks and then bizarrely persisted with Trafford for most of the season when his confidence was understandably shot.

When he was finally dropped for Muric when we were already practically relegated was a complete mis-management of him, too.

[LincsWoldsClaret]

When you get boo’d when your name is read out and the fans are chanting the name of the other keeper - it may not be abuse but you’ll certainly feel unwanted.

[BurnleyFC]

When you get boo’d when your name is read out and the fans are chanting the name of the other keeper - it may not be abuse but you’ll certainly feel unwanted.

Was that at home or away games?

I can’t say I ever heard Trafford’s name getting booed, but I did hear the Muric chants.

[Stonehouse]

Have I been in a Time Machine over Christmas ? Why are we dragging up this old chestnut or should we start having an arguement if Clemence was better than Shilton.Lets have a New Year’s resolution and promise not to regurgitate posts that are over a season ago.

[dsr]

Have I been in a Time Machine over Christmas ? Why are we dragging up this old chestnut or should we start having an arguement if Clemence was better than Shilton.Lets have a New Year’s resolution and promise not to regurgitate posts that are over a season ago.

I always preferred Shilton, but possibly because he was more spectacular at saving and Clemence was more understated with positioning. (The goal Clemence let in against Scotland didn't help.) But really, I'd vote for Pat Jennings.

(I couldn't find the post from 1975 to regurgitate, sorry!)

[123EasyasBFC]

That's exactly what a lot of people did and do though. They make out like Trafford never made a save in the PL.

I don’t think people suggested Trafford hadn’t made good saves in games but for someone to say we only beat Brentford because we got an early pen when muric saved one off the line and made a massive save at 1-0. Then to say sheff united lost to everyone at home, we would of been 3-0 down after 20 minutes if Muric hadn’t made the saves, yes Trafford would of saved them to but it’s a blinkered view to suggest Muric didn’t win us points. Yes the Everton muric is criminal playing a through ball a minute before half time but the Brighton one is just unlucky

[The Shire Claret]

Correct, we would’ve still been relegated with Muric and Trafford in the nets, but I take umbrage with the supposed ‘abuse’ Trafford received last season. The fans at games were mostly supportive of him.

Trafford didn't even go back into his nets before kick off last season which I only saw as him not wanting to deal or hear from people in the JM Lower

Certain posters on this message board and other online options were far worse

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[boatshed bill]

Have I been in a Time Machine over Christmas ? Why are we dragging up this old chestnut or should we start having an arguement if Clemence was better than Shilton.Lets have a New Year’s resolution and promise not to regurgitate posts that are over a season ago.

Most people know Shilton was better than Clemence.

[Big Vinny K]

Yes the Everton muric is criminal playing a through ball a minute before half time but the Brighton one is just unlucky

In what way was it unlucky ?
It’s probably the worst goal keeping error I have seen from one of our keepers in 50 years of watching Burnley - and that’s a pretty low bar when you consider Mark Kendall played for us !!

[jlup1980]

Muric should have started last season, but he didn't. It's old news now. I liked him, his distribution was on another level, but you had to accept he would throw the odd howler in... and that's not something you can do when you're struggling at the lower end of the Premier League. Our most successful periods in the Premier League were with Heaton or Pope in goal; both of whom made very few mistakes. I think the timing of his signing for us was perfect, as he suited VK in the Championship. The fact VK recognised that he was probably a risk too far in the Premier League says it all.

There's no doubt Muric will always be an enigma though. He was marmite for our fanbase, but ultimately we pulled Ipswich's pants down over the summer as he will always be a goalkeeper with an error in him. He's 26 years old now, he should be coming towards his peak years, yet he's still relatively inexperienced, with only 139 club games under his belt (55 for Burnley). Trafford is 4 years his junior and will make his 139th club app for us tomorrow, which says a lot. Both keepers were hung out to dry last season, but there's no doubt we have the better of the two at the club now.

[123EasyasBFC]

In what way was it unlucky ?
It’s probably the worst goal keeping error I have seen from one of our keepers in 50 years of watching Burnley - and that’s a pretty low bar when you consider Mark Kendall played for us !!

Can an error not be unlucky? How many times in that game alone did muric stop the ball like that with the top of his foot? And how many times after did he stop the ball the exact same. Weather changed and the had one lapse and it cost us, it’s still unlucky.

[fidelcastro]

Can an error not be unlucky? How many times in that game alone did muric stop the ball like that with the top of his foot? And how many times after did he stop the ball the exact same. Weather changed and the had one lapse and it cost us, it’s still unlucky.

Unlucky?

[Big Vinny K]

Can an error not be unlucky? How many times in that game alone did muric stop the ball like that with the top of his foot? And how many times after did he stop the ball the exact same. Weather changed and the had one lapse and it cost us, it’s still unlucky.

Can an error be unlucky ?

Well no not really - it’s either one or the other in the context of a football game isn’t it ?

Why is letting a slowly rolling ball under your foot and into the goal unlucky ? I cannot remember any pundit or media report describing it as unlucky. It was just a massive mistake.

If it was bad luck then irrespective of whether fans were pro Muric or Trafford I’m pretty sure the vast majority would have been happy to call it out as unlucky.

[Bosscat]

To debate whether Muric would have done better than Traff last season is now irrelevant.
Traff got the sh*tty end of the stick by VK and had his confidence ripped away. He has it back this season.

Maybe Muric might have kept us up but ... looking at him this season I don't think so.

[BurnleyFC]

Trafford didn't even go back into his nets before kick off last season which I only saw as him not wanting to deal or hear from people in the JM Lower

Certain posters on this message board and other online options were far worse

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Can’t say I noticed that, but I do sit in the Jimmy Mc lower right behind the goals about twenty yards away and that stand was very supportive of Trafford both last season and this.

I assumed you meant the abuse was coming from the Longside lower or Cricket Field.

The online stuff always goes overboard because it’s far easier to hide behind a username.

[fidelcastro]

Can an error be unlucky ?

Well no not really - it’s either one or the other in the context of a football game isn’t it ?

Why is letting a slowly rolling ball under your foot and into the goal unlucky ? I cannot remember any pundit or media report describing it as unlucky. It was just a massive mistake.

If it was bad luck then irrespective of whether fans were pro Muric or Trafford I’m pretty sure the vast majority would have been happy to call it out as unlucky.

It's a bit like commentators and fans stating a player is unlucky when a shot hits the post or crossbar.

No he isn't. He's just inaccurate!

[BurnleyFC]

Should add that even the club social media team made a big song and dance about Muric returning to the starting line up, so you can’t really blame fans for chanting his name when he did come back in.

[123EasyasBFC]

It's a bit like commentators and fans stating a player is unlucky when a shot hits the post or crossbar.

No he isn't. He's just inaccurate!

Eh? That’s also unlucky, if a player tries to bend a strike in form 30 yards and it hits the post that’s unlucky. It’s not just inaccurate

[Claretnick]

He never gave the impression he was enjoying his time at Turf Moor, even during that incredible Championship winning season. I was reallly glad to see the back of him....

[dougcollins]

Muric would have improved our attacking options - but, I doubt he's a better keeper per se.

[fidelcastro]

Eh? That’s also unlucky, if a player tries to bend a strike in form 30 yards and it hits the post that’s unlucky. It’s not just inaccurate

No it isn't. He's not aiming for the post or crossbar, therefore it's inaccurate. The player can see how big the goals are and where they are.

[Gp8419]

Paul Robinson was co commentator on five live and said muric walked right past him with a face like thunder, and completely blanked him when he let on.But then he realised he wasn’t starting. Seems a bit of clown muric tbh.He wasn’t a great gk but is footballing ability was frightening some games he was frightening with his technique.

[123EasyasBFC]

No it isn't. He's not aiming for the post or crossbar, therefore it's inaccurate. The player can see how big the goals are and where they are.

That’s an absolutely shocking take on players and getting the post or bar

[fidelcastro]

That’s an absolutely shocking take on players and getting the post or bar

Not as shocking as your take on Muric.

[Raconteur]

Should add that even the club social media team made a big song and dance about Muric returning to the starting line up, so you can’t really blame fans for chanting his name when he did come back in.

It wasn't when he came back in though, it was during the games he didn't play in , even when Trafford had done nothing wrong.

I witnessed it first hand , almost every game in the CFS.

[fidelcastro]

It wasn't when he came back in though, it was during the games he didn't play in , even when Trafford had done nothing wrong.

I witnessed it first hand , almost every game in the CFS.

Drugs have a lot to answer for.

[Conroy92]

It wasn't when he came back in though, it was during the games he didn't play in , even when Trafford had done nothing wrong.

I witnessed it first hand , almost every game in the CFS.

Muric is very much a confidence keeper who is a prone to an error. It's a bad combination. I fully believe in some ways we got the best out of him at the back end of last season due to the fact he came back as a bit of a messiah. We may have still seen a few howlers but he also won us the points in a few matches and seemed to revitalise the full team.

This idea that he was crap for us is way off the mark. However he's certainly appeared crap this season. I'd put that down to having a bad start and not having a fan base like we were that glorified him each week mistake or not. His poor confidence has likely resulted in an increase in howlers.

He is quite possibly the Brian Jenson of the premier league.

[fidelcastro]

He is quite possibly the Brian Jenson of the premier league.

As was Brian Jensen when he played in the Premier League.

[Goalkeeper]

That doesn't make him limited, it makes him inconsistent. He has all the ability but seemingly not the temperament.

End of argument. How can you play a keeper (Muric), who is inconsistent. What is the point of making brilliant saves, then letting in a back pass. Defenders have zero confidence in an inconsistent goalkeeper.
I also didn't see Muric pulling off any world class saves. He was weak at his near post as well.
We went from 3 England keepers in the squad, to two who last season at least were underwhelming.

[123EasyasBFC]

Not as shocking as your take on Muric.

Completely different to the point you are trying to make but to save arguing you can have your moment

[CoolClaret]

End of argument. How can you play a keeper (Muric), who is inconsistent. What is the point of making brilliant saves, then letting in a back pass. Defenders have zero confidence in an inconsistent goalkeeper.
I also didn't see Muric pulling off any world class saves. He was weak at his near post as well.
We went from 3 England keepers in the squad, to two who last season at least were underwhelming.

You can't, really, but all young, relatively inexperienced players tend to be inconsistent - the hope was with experience and game time, he'd iron out those inconsistencies.

What Muric did offer, at least, was a commitment; you knew he'd go for a ball and commit, and he would never be caught in two minds.

Pulled off plenty of top class saves (Chelsea away, Sheff U away... few for Ipswich this year), as has Trafford.

Traff has played a hell of a lot of games for a keeper of his age, so had more time (at a lower level) to iron those out of his game.

[boatshed bill]

End of argument. How can you play a keeper (Muric), who is inconsistent. What is the point of making brilliant saves, then letting in a back pass. Defenders have zero confidence in an inconsistent goalkeeper.
I also didn't see Muric pulling off any world class saves. He was weak at his near post as well.
We went from 3 England keepers in the squad, to two who last season at least were underwhelming.

You are right, we've had plenty of international keepers, wasn't it 5 in our recent European adventure... albeit some out at various times through injury.

[bumba]

We won 2 games with Muric in goal. Brentford home, when Brentford gave us a penalty and had a man sent off after 4 minutes; and Sheffield United away, who were losing by 3+ to everyone at the time. Neither victory was because of the change of keeper. At best, he won us the odd point from a draw; but he certainly cost us 2 against Brighton and more than likely cost us 1 at Everton. He was no significant improvement, in terms of points won, on Trafford.

It's a pointless tiring debate now, he isn't even at the club but he made some massive saves in games that gained us at least a point.
We'd have gone down regardless because the manager was inept.

[bumba]

We didn’t see Trafford make brilliant saves? You must have missed Liverpool at home, Brighton away etc. Liverpool fans were saying he should be playing for England

No they weren't hahahahaha
Brighton was his best game but the majority of not all of his saves were saves I'd expect any premier league keeper to make

[deanothedino]

As was Brian Jensen when he played in the Premier League.

Brian Jensen and Muric. Two keepers Burnley fans inexplicably loved.

[deanothedino]

No they weren't hahahahaha
Brighton was his best game but the majority of not all of his saves were saves I'd expect any premier league keeper to make

I’d expect most PL keepers to not let the ball roll under their foot or not kick it straight at an oncoming striker but Muric managed both to cost us points.

[fidelcastro]

Brian Jensen and Muric. Two keepers Burnley fans inexplicably loved.

Speak for yourself!

[Taffy on the wing]

Just how what you said came across. He was "better" but he cost us more games.

How many goals came from Trafford fanning around during the first 28 painful games?