Hannibal

[Hedontplayforyou]

Are some people overreacting or are some people sensing that potentially further problems could be on the horizon due to his temperament. A or B it’s worthy of discussion especially in light of what’s just happened.

Depending on how Parker and his team mates handle this, it could make him or break him. He could take heed on how he’s let them down etc and how he could have really hurt someone , or he could be ridiculously stupid and think he knows best and nobody will tell him how to behave.

[Jakubclaret]

Depending on how Parker and his team mates handle this, it could make him or break him. He could take heed on how he’s let them down etc and how he could have really hurt someone , or he could be ridiculously stupid and think he knows best and nobody will tell him how to behave.

For sure it’s now something that needs to be kept in check if indeed it ever can be.

[Stonehouse]

The defense of Hannibal is staggering.

It’s not a question of defending him it’s a question of blowing things out of proportion ,Barton stubbed a fag out in an apprentices eye but was treated like an hero when he came to Burnley ,Andre Gray made homophobic comments but was still feted as a Claret ,what Hannibal did was wrong but it was just a spontaneous action.

[Clovius Boofus]

Are some people overreacting or are some people sensing that potentially further problems could be on the horizon due to his temperament. A or B it’s worthy of discussion especially in light of what’s just happened.

I think you can safely say that some are overreacting when we have people saying he should not be anywhere near the team when he's served his ban. We also have people saying he has deepseated psychological issues.

[chekhov]

Definitely some over-reactions. It was a red card but he’s young and he’ll learn from it.
As some have said maybe a blessing in disguise him missing the derby.

[Jakubclaret]

I think you can safely say that some are overreacting when we have people saying he should not be anywhere near the team when he's served his ban. We also have people saying he has deepseated psychological issues.

Fair enough. but you also do have some people offering reasonable views supported by legitimate concerns. Extreme views shouldn't distort the moderate argument that people have doubts whether he's got a future at the club. Aside of the overreactions on the other end of the opposite scale you have people almost treating the incident as if he's forgot to give somebody their change back after buying a mars bar & not dangerous conduct to a fellow opponent.

[Big Vinny K]

Never ceases to amaze me just how thick some of our fans can be.

One of our players made a daft mistake and he will pay for it by missing 3 games and you have our own so called supporters saying he should never play for the club again.

Just imagine holding that view every time one of our players gets a red card - or is it just reserved for the players who have a reputation ?
John Gayle ended a lads career with a horrendous challenge and Kevin Ball got a red card for slicing David Dunne in two and he almost got a statue of him commissioned.

This kind of thing happens on a football pitch at all levels - always haas and always will. Go watch snooker if it’s too much for you.

[tarkys_ears]

Never ceases to amaze me just how thick some of our fans can be.

After reading your post, I can't disgaree!

[warksclaret]

Its pretty mild compared to Barton in his early years-but Barton was a winner with us

[NL Claret]

Never ceases to amaze me just how thick some of our fans can be.

One of our players made a daft mistake and he will pay for it by missing 3 games and you have our own so called supporters saying he should never play for the club again.

Just imagine holding that view every time one of our players gets a red card - or is it just reserved for the players who have a reputation ?
John Gayle ended a lads career with a horrendous challenge and Kevin Ball got a red card for slicing David Dunne in two and he almost got a statue of him commissioned.

This kind of thing happens on a football pitch at all levels - always haas and always will. Go watch snooker if it’s too much for you.

I don’t know if you have seen the incident in the WBA PNE game, the WBA CH forces PNE’s CF over the advertising hoardings with his hands on the players chest and then pushes his feet to make sure he goes full over……..yellow card……for both.

[Stayingup]

Frustrated. Lost his rag. Emotional type of player. He gets kicked about enough. He'll learn like Barnes did. Get one back on the blindside

[Vegas Claret]

You never know, this might be the wake up call he needs. I'm not writing him off yet

[aggi]

United sent him on loan abroad, they sent him back as the manager could not trust him to stay on the pitch. Was always a walking red card. Two years later he is no better. You cannot change stupid people.

It may shock some to discover that this isn't true. There was a falling out at Sevilla but he stayed there until the end of the season and was still in the squad and coming off the bench at the end.

(And obviously it was last year, not two years ago)

[Stonehouse]

It may shock some to discover that this isn't true. There was a falling out at Sevilla but he stayed there until the end of the season and was still in the squad and coming off the bench at the end.

(And obviously it was last year, not two years ago)

Some people would rather tell a good story get in the way of the truth ,some on the forum have castigated fans for trying to drive JT out of the club ,happen those slamming Hannibal should have bitten their lips before calling him the devil incarnate because if the young lad reads this forum he’ll happen think he’s no longer wanted.

[Clive 1960]

It's been waiting to happy for a while, let Parker sort it out and hopefully we don't see him do this again..

[Bosscat]

You never know, this might be the wake up call he needs. I'm not writing him off yet

Hope you are right VC ...

[KernowHouseClaret]

United sent him on loan abroad, they sent him back as the manager could not trust him to stay on the pitch. Was always a walking red card. Two years later he is no better. You cannot change stupid people.

This isn't exactly true though is it, he went to Sevilla in 2024, stayed until the end of the season. We then signed him.
Before that he was on loan at Birmingham

[TsarBomba]

We’ll miss some aspects of his play on Saturday, but if he hadn’t been suspended, then Rovers players would target him massively. Perhaps not a bad thing he sits this one out.

Stupid mistake but there’s no need for an overreaction.

[dvalley69]

Deep rooted psychological issues ? Give it a break mate half of the country would be in Caldestones if everyone thought like you ,he’s an hot headed young guy that’s committed a minor offence .Has England capt Ben Stokes the same problem for smacking someone or Gerrard for doing similar or was John Prescott for thumping a guy or Akinbyi or Barton or Stan Ternent et al?

Where do you think aggressive nature issues come from then? Motor neuron control with the fist & foot? He walks the tightrope between right & wrong, and has a nastiness to him as shown today and in the past. It was totally unnecessary but his instinct was to choose that decision in that moment!

Lots to learn from Psychology and the mind. It might help people understand mental health more and broadly the reasons why we do things. There are reasons you know! But we're all just thick, and black is black and white is white, right?

Context is needed in most cases: this isn't the first incident/doubt with Hannibal and won't be the last. Good examples you brought up and they depend on the context of what happened, but if you're using Joey Barton to back up your point then he was a saint and had no anger issues at all, clearly!! Just a thick scouse.

[Vegas Claret]

Hope you are right VC ...

Unlikely, the Mrs tells I'm not most days

[Hibsclaret]

People reference Barnes and I remember him getting sent off for Brighton against us probably at an age similar to Hannibal. He is still very young and will learn, hopefully, to become the dark arts master that Barnes perfected. Probably a good game to miss at Ewood tbh.

[superdimitri]

He was sick of their full back being an ass and the ref letting him get away with it. Lost it in a moment. It happens. We move on, it's really not a bad thing to have these dirty players in your team. Every good side has one.

[Georgiaclaret]

A lot of good points on this one. Agree with everyone saying the right back should not even have been on the field. Hannibal won a 50/50 ball with home 30 seconds before and was away until he put his arms round him and pulled him down. How that’s not a yellow card when players get a yellow card for pulling a shirt is beyond me. Even if the ref didn’t see it the linesman was two yards away. No doubt in my mind that would have raised Hannibal’s blood pressure. Unfortunately the referees and linesman are crap. Stoke fans don’t like Gavin Ward either as they were letting him know throughout the game. Can’t defend Hannibal for what he did, but like others have said massive over reaction. If I were Parker, sit him down, bollock him, fine him, tell him there’s no place for that at our club, and if he does it again he’s finished at BFC. I have to believe the fans that were applauding him in the James Hargreaves as he was walking down the touchline didn’t see what he did. Definitely a player in there somewhere if he can sort his head out. Not saying I’m glad he’s not available for Saturday, but as others have mentioned definitely could be a blessing he won’t be getting on the pitch at Ewood.

[MrEyres]

Let himself down, Team and fans.Big loss against Rovers.

But..

He’s young, ambitious, talented but clearly emotional which needs to be reigned in.

Any thoughts of him not playing again for us are more emotional than the act itself. Just wish he’d done it a bit differently. E.g when the Stoke player got up, knocked him back down. What he did was cowardly.

Hey, ho, 2nd place ours to lose now , just 15 wins and 6x0-0’s to go for 100 points and a good slapping in the money league awaits.

10 yrs ago we’d of been in dream world and Scott would be king.

The truth is , the VK season was the anomaly, if we’d have kept him I don’t think he could do it again. He was out of ideas and tbh was glad to see him go the shyster.

Hope this squad pulls it off they certainly have the battling qualities of the Dyche era, but for me the ruthless streak lacks . We need an Ings/Vokes or Andre Gray/Joey Barton.

We need the edge … stamping on plumbs is not it.

UTC.

[CaptJohn]

I very rarely don't clap a player off but I didn't yesterday because of the stupidity of it. I thought he was turning a corner in his attitude but this proves he still has work to do in controlling his aggression. He is a work in progress for sure but it must test the patience of SP no end.

[Clovius Boofus]

It's good to see that we have a psychologist on here handing out free diagnosis about someone he's never even said hello to. I thought this sort of thing was not on, but hey, what do I know.

[Stonehouse]

No doubt some posters on here will have him locked up with a mask on like Hannibal Lecter.hes not a mass murderer he’s just a very naughty boy.

[Burnley1989]

People reference Barnes and I remember him getting sent off for Brighton against us probably at an age similar to Hannibal. He is still very young and will learn, hopefully, to become the dark arts master that Barnes perfected. Probably a good game to miss at Ewood tbh.

The same Barnes that once tripped the refereee up on purpose.. inagine the outrage if Hannibal had done that, we'd be having him in front of a firing squad.

[Stonehouse]

It's good to see that we have a psychologist on here handing out free diagnosis about someone he's never even said hello to. I thought this sort of thing was not on, but hey, what do I know.

Well said.I need to make sure the cushions are straight before I go to bed ,use the same spoon for my porridge ,do you think I need to see a shrink (asking for a friend)

[nil_desperandum]

Although the incident was different, the context and age of the player reminded me somewhat of Maatsen’s red card against Blackpool at Turf Moor early in his Burnley career
I don’t seem to recall the same massive over-reaction on here following his violent loss of control and after a spell out of the team he never let us down again

[Jakubclaret]

Although the incident was different, the context and age of the player reminded me somewhat of Maatsen’s red card against Blackpool at Turf Moor early in his Burnley career
I don’t seem to recall the same massive over-reaction on here following his violent loss of control and after a spell out of the team he never let us down again

You are right he never let us down but the arrangement was temporary anyway he wasn't going to stick around for long enough to do it again. Bloody hell you sure made me chuckle with that.

[ksrclaret]

Whilst calls for him to never play for the club again are silly, the over-reactions are because he's just proved what most fans suspected of him - that he is a liability who will always be an altercation away from losing his head. The way he did it yesterday was cowardly as well, stamping on someone when he's on the floor.

It's such a shame because that role Parker found for him on the left of midfield looked like it really suited him and the whole team looked more balanced and cohesive with him there. He's now got a lot of making up to do, and I reckon one more incident like yesterday will probably cement opinion against him for good.

[Stonehouse]

Whilst calls for him to never play for the club again are silly, the over-reactions are because he's just proved what most fans suspected of him - that he is a liability who will always be an altercation away from losing his head. The way he did it yesterday was cowardly as well, stamping on someone when he's on the floor.

It's such a shame because that role Parker found for him on the left of midfield looked like it really suited him and the whole team looked more balanced and cohesive with him there. He's now got a lot of making up to do, and I reckon one more incident like yesterday will probably cement opinion against him for good.

Please don’t exaggerate as the definition off stamping is slamming the foot down with force Hannibal stepped on his stomach and the guy writhed around holding his ********.

[ksrclaret]

Please don’t exaggerate as the definition off stamping is slamming the foot down with force Hannibal stepped on his stomach and the guy writhed around holding his ********.

Aye, okay then.

[Burnley1989]

It was more standing on someone than stamping and theres a pretty big difference in force, not that either are acceotable.

[scamander]

Unfortunately the extra challenge will be that teams will look to wind him up and feign injury because he has a reputation. He had one prior to joining us and it looked like he was working on it - sadly it only takes a small thing with him.

The issue of the right back needing a second yellow is irrelevant - in fact it's more concerning if Hannibal's reaction was based on this because there will often be players on the pitch who should have had a yellow.

As mentioned by others he has the opportunity to correct this. It's up to him.

[The Shire Claret]

This is his FIRST red card EVER

Calm down people

[ClaretAndBlue94]

This is his FIRST red card EVER

Calm down people

The point I have been making. The posts on here make it seem like he has had a career of red cards..

Young lad who has was daft and now faces the consequences of that.

[scamander]

The point I have been making. The posts on here make it seem like he has had a career of red cards..

Young lad who has was daft and now faces the consequences of that.

Red cards can indicate a number of things ranging from violent conduct to two soft yellows. The sense I get from others (and certainly a point I have made) is that this isn't a random event which is not in his character. As many have noted he has a temper and can be wound up - he also plays on the edge.

The red card he got merely confirms the above and worries some of us because we want him to succeed which involves managing that part of his game.

If, say, Humphries or Koleosho had done that there wouldn't have been the same level of concern as we haven't seen that in their game (though Koleosho needs to stop on the silly shirt pulls he does).

[Jakubclaret]

I find it quite humorous that there’s a widespread assumption that he’s paid for it by missing some games he may not want to play in whilst still being paid. Nobody really knows whether he will be financially sanctioned throwing the assumption in the other direction he’s effectively paid for it by allowing himself some free leave.

[ksrclaret]

I find it quite humorous that there’s a widespread assumption that he’s paid for it by missing some games he may not want to play in whilst still being paid. Nobody really knows whether he will be financially sanctioned throwing the assumption in the other direction he’s effectively paid for it by allowing himself some free leave.

I do always love the assumption that players who are suspended are on “leave”. Brilliant. As though they can book a holiday now and not be required to report for training during the week and on a match day.

[Jakubclaret]

I do always love the assumption that players who are suspended are on “leave”. Brilliant. As though they can book a holiday now and not be required to report for training during the week and on a match day.

Not on leave as such but I wouldn’t class somebody paying for something by sitting some games out whilst not incurring a financial penalty. A weird take how you interpret something.

[ksrclaret]

Not on leave as such but I wouldn’t class somebody paying for something by sitting some games out whilst not incurring a financial penalty. A weird take how you interpret something.

“He’s effectively paid for it by allowing himself some free leave”

“Not on leave as such”

Yes, a very weird take Jakub.

[Clovius Boofus]

I do always love the assumption that players who are suspended are on “leave”. Brilliant. As though they can book a holiday now and not be required to report for training during the week and on a match day.

Heh. I know what you mean.

Scott Parker; right lads. Time for a quick team talk, but before I start, I show you this lovely postcard Hanni has sent us from Antigua.

[Jakubclaret]

“He’s effectively paid for it by allowing himself some free leave”

“Not on leave as such”

Yes, a very weird take Jakub.

Ok then I still turn up for work & do odd jobs & spend the important bit in the canteen but don’t get docked. I’ll have some of that any day of week if that’s what paying for it translates to.

[ksrclaret]

Ok then I still turn up for work & do odd jobs & spend the important bit in the canteen but don’t get docked. I’ll have some of that any day of week if that’s what paying for it translates to.

What “odd jobs” do you imagine they’re going to have Hannibal doing? I reckon they’re going to have him mucking out Pace’s daughter’s stables.

[Clovius Boofus]

Jakub thinks Hannibal works in the mill.

[Jakubclaret]

Jakub thinks Hannibal works in the mill.

Or the simple premise that avoiding hard sweat isn’t paying for it quite the opposite. Anyway peeps back to the grindstone in thy mill lad.

[Clovius Boofus]

Hannibal's real punishment is him missing three games and letting his manager and teammates down - it will hurt. Anyway, this is getting ridiculous.

[Jakubclaret]

Hannibal's real punishment is him missing three games and letting his manager and teammates down - it will hurt. Anyway, this is getting ridiculous.

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Of course it will.