January Transfer Window Rumours

[Newcastleclaret93]

Different taking a 2m risk on a player when you have premier league tv money though

Fair point

[boyyanno]

BRING ON THE SHITHOUSERY I have actually read this week unbelievably on this forum. What is actually good about a whinging non-scoring forward player backing into defenders and then sitting on his arse waving his arms with a look of disbelief on his face?

We have signed Barnes and Sheffield United have Diaz. I know which I would prefer.


I’m also of the opinion that I pay to watch football not “shithousery”

Post from JudeHamish:

"Wed Jun 08, 2022 9:41 pm

Like I said, open to derision, but I fail to see where VK is going to create a winning expansive side with Ashley Barnes up front and no money as appears the case unfortunately."

Consider yourself derided.

[Judehamish]

Is Diaz 35? What about assists? Pulling defenders out of position? Creating space?

Barnes offers nothing but nuisance factor of being able to go on in the closing stages of a game and foul players.

[warksclaret]

Foster, Churlinov, Franchi, Bastien, Obafemi, Twine, McNally, Dervisolgu, Delcroix, Massengo, Tresor, Vigouroux, Redmond, Ramsey (so far, hoping he comes good), there’s an argument for Amdouni, Sambo

Some good players on this list that just haven’t worked out for us. I’ve included foster because I don’t think we’ve seen returns that you’d expect for his prize. Similar with Amdouni.

Wow-I had forgotton about most of those failures. When you list them that way it just shows there was no accountability in the recruitment team. By the way I agree with all the names except Foster Amdouini and hopefully Ramsey, who have been of a high level , but for various reasons we have not seen the best of

[colne-claret]

Wow-I had forgotton about most of those failures. When you list them that way it just shows there was no accountability in the recruitment team. By the way I agree with all the names except Foster Amdouini and hopefully Ramsey, who have been of a high level , but for various reasons we have not seen the best of

I just think we should have seen more of Amdouni and Foster for the money spent on them. Ramsey I think will still be good for us but currently looks like a bit expense.

[Stonehouse]

Foster, Churlinov, Franchi, Bastien, Obafemi, Twine, McNally, Dervisolgu, Delcroix, Massengo, Tresor, Vigouroux, Redmond, Ramsey (so far, hoping he comes good), there’s an argument for Amdouni, Sambo

Some good players on this list that just haven’t worked out for us. I’ve included foster because I don’t think we’ve seen returns that you’d expect for his prize. Similar with Amdouni.

Thanks for that Colne claret it saved me looking them all up again ,and haven’t included Foster in my 16

[Stonehouse]

Name the 16 not good ones…. I’d bet nearly all of them were signed on the cheap as back up squad players, like Bastien at 500k, he wasn’t a world beater but he played his role and helped win promotion.

If you’re counting the likes of Delcroix and Bastien as failures for VK then John Egan and Ettiene Greene have to be failures for Parker

I said not very good ,one’s that haven’t worked must go in the same bracket as not very good a bit like Phillips at City or the guy we loaned from Chelsea who liked a scrap( sorry can’t remember his name)

[Stonehouse]

Name the 16 not good ones…. I’d bet nearly all of them were signed on the cheap as back up squad players, like Bastien at 500k, he wasn’t a world beater but he played his role and helped win promotion.

If you’re counting the likes of Delcroix and Bastien as failures for VK then John Egan and Ettiene Greene have to be failures for Parker

Hasn’t Egan come on in the last few games to shore up the defence,and if JT goes we may need Greene .

[taio]

As noted already, it's bizarre that third and fourth choice goalkeepers would be listed as failures

[Stonehouse]

Sorry to reminisce but when we had 1st teams and reserves I can’t remember many teams who bought duds apart the likes of Utd who would throw money a centre forwards who were one season wonders ,we had the odd one like Steve Daley and. Paul Stewart on loan ,and this isn’t a cue to drag up the dross we bought in the 4th division.

[Tricky Trevor]

Given that he got injured early on and has played very little for Stockport Mellon has little or no chance of getting a game if he stays there. Not even sure that he has that option. Chesterfield, Bradford or Walsall would all be better options than no football at this stage in his development.

Surprised that Costelloe has disappeared from the Accrington squads over the festive period. I wonder if he's being lined up for another move also. He's done OK this season and played 21 games before Christmas. 5 goals from right wing is far better than he managed for Bradford or Dundee.
Dodgson is another who would probably benefit from a loan move.

Villa have recalled Barry so he has a chance of games but I’d rather we sent him elsewhere.

[colne-claret]

As noted already, it's bizarre that third and fourth choice goalkeepers would be listed as failures

I believe Franchi was a huge disappointment in terms of his ability. Vigoruoux was a harsh pick.

[boatshed bill]

I believe Franchi was a huge disappointment in terms of his ability. Vigoruoux was a harsh pick.

Franchi was signed as an under 23, and he wasn't good enough even for that.
If we start looking at failed signings at "reserve" level we will run out of cyber space.

[Taffy on the wing]

Is Diaz 35? What about assists? Pulling defenders out of position? Creating space?

Barnes offers nothing but nuisance factor of being able to go on in the closing stages of a game and foul players.

Are you blind?.........Barnes is a very good footballer!

[colne-claret]

Franchi was signed as an under 23, and he wasn't good enough even for that.
If we start looking at failed signings at "reserve" level we will run out of cyber space.

He was announced as a first team signing and was quickly demoted to under 23s.

[boatshed bill]

He was announced as a first team signing and was quickly demoted to under 23s.

Because he was aweful

[boatshed bill]

He was announced as a first team signing and was quickly demoted to under 23s.

also he never had a squad number, Will Norris was 3rd choice keeper

[warksclaret]

Delcroix has apparently rejected a move to Belgium with Standard Liege

[Pickles]

also he never had a squad number, Will Norris was 3rd choice keeper

Franchi was number 20.

[agreenwood]

I’m trying, but I can’t for the life in me fathom why the January 2024 transfer rumours thread has turned into a discussion about our former third choice keeper.

[colne-claret]

I’m trying, but I can’t for the life in me fathom why the January 2024 transfer rumours thread has turned into a discussion about our former third choice keeper.

Don’t wind yourself up about little things in life like this. It’s 2025 as well. Don’t remain in the past

[agreenwood]

Don’t wind yourself up about little things in life like this. It’s 2025 as well. Don’t remain in the past

It’ll be February before I remember the year has changed

[boatshed bill]

Franchi was number 20.

Then I stand corrected, But Cornet started as No 20 according to the club .

[boatshed bill]

I’m trying, but I can’t for the life in me fathom why the January 2024 transfer rumours thread has turned into a discussion about our former third choice keeper.

Don't get wound up, it's a side issue brought about by people who enjoy a little tiff

[colne-claret]

Then I stand corrected, But Cornet started as No 20 according to the club .

Cornet left and then the number was then given to Franchi..

[nil_desperandum]

Hasn’t Egan come on in the last few games to shore up the defence,................

If Egan makes a full recovery from his long - term injury and gets back to his previous form, then he will always be a great option from the bench at championship level, and is excellent cover if / when either of Esteve or C-J are suspended or injured.
He's also another "leader" and Parker seems to like signing these.
Partly due to his injury he ran his contract down at Sheff U, and so he's been a relatively cheap signing.

[KRBFC]

Hasn’t Egan come on in the last few games to shore up the defence,and if JT goes we may need Greene .

Right, but you're saying backup goalkeepers and backup defenders for VK were failure signings but for Parker, they're required good signings.

Claiming backup goalkeepers and squad filler backup players as failure signings when they were signed for that reason Is illogical, the likes of Delcroix, Bastien and Vigeroux did exactly what they were signed for. Just like Egan and Hladky have been absolutely fine signings.

[Woodleyclaret]

John Egan was a shrewd signing as was Joe Worrall, Ash and Josh Laurent. Lots of heart, talent and ability. They are ideal role models.

[Stonehouse]

Right, but you're saying backup goalkeepers and backup defenders for VK were failure signings but for Parker, they're required good signings.

Claiming backup goalkeepers and squad filler backup players as failure signings when they were signed for that reason Is illogical, the likes of Delcroix, Bastien and Vigeroux did exactly what they were signed for. Just like Egan and Hladky have been absolutely fine signings.

The way Delcroix and Bastien were introduced by BFC media I don’t think you can say Bastien and Delcroix were bought back ups but only VK knows that.

[Row x]

Victor Nelsson is a name that keeps cropping up

[KRBFC]

The way Delcroix and Bastien were introduced by BFC media I don’t think you can say Bastien and Delcroix were bought back ups but only VK knows that.

Look at the fees paid, you really think we brought in Bastien to be a key main starter for 500k? When we had Cullen, Brownhill, Cork at the club?

It’s pretty obvious neither was signed to start games given they both didn’t start many games.

[Quickenthetempo]

John Egan was a shrewd signing as was Joe Worrall, Ash and Josh Laurent. Lots of heart, talent and ability. They are ideal role models.

If the rumour of Worrall costing 7/8m is true then it's a very poor signing.

If it was 1.5/2m then fair enough.

[Big Vinny K]

Bastien’s transfer fee was so low because of his contract situation. He was brought in that year on one of our highest paid players of all the new signings - reported to be £15k a week. For the first few weeks he started.

Delcroix was brought in to cover a number of positions. He started more games than he should have done given how bad he was. No way will he have been on a low wage given we brought him in when we were in the EPL. Where has he been ? Arrived back late for pre season. Contributed zero this season. By the time he leaves I’d be surprised if he has cost the club much less than £5m and what have we had in return ?

At least this season it looks like we are signing players who actually want to play football for the club. If they are not picked on a Saturday they seem to be happy to fight for their place rather than stink the club out with their toxicity.

[RicardoMontalban]

If the rumour of Worrall costing 7/8m is true then it's a very poor signing.

If it was 1.5/2m then fair enough.

There’s a bit more to it than that though, isn’t there?

Worrall was signed to start, which he did, then he got injured. CJER then steps in and excels( who expected that?). What is Parker to do then when Worrall returns to fitness? Drop one half of a CB pairing that appear nigh on impregnable?

Transfermarkt, for what it’s worth, has it at a shade under £5m. Still pricey but for a player who, but for an unfortunately timed injury would more than likely still be starting, isn’t excessive. Chalk that up to ‘one of those things’.

[Beckm0]

Also look at Worral on the sidelines at the weekend, really stood out as exactly the type of character you need for a run in.

[agreenwood]

There’s a bit more to it than that though, isn’t there?

Worrall was signed to start, which he did, then he got injured. CJER then steps in and excels( who expected that?). What is Parker to do then when Worrall returns to fitness? Drop one half of a CB pairing that appear nigh on impregnable?

Transfermarkt, for what it’s worth, has it at a shade under £5m. Still pricey but for a player who, but for an unfortunately timed injury would more than likely still be starting, isn’t excessive. Chalk that up to ‘one of those things’.

Exactly. There’s so much luck involved in transfers. I doubt anyone really knew what we had in Egan-Riley. How could they? He’d barely played a senior game at CB. Had Worrall not been injured, Egan-Riley might have found himself loaned out in August or in this window.

Worrall may never establish himself here, but it doesn’t make him a bad player.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Exactly. There’s so much luck involved in transfers. I doubt anyone really knew what we had in Egan-Riley. How could they? He’d barely played a senior game at CB. Had Worrall not been injured, Egan-Riley might have found himself loaned out in August or in this window.

Worrall may never establish himself here, but it doesn’t make him a bad player.

Always the case though that transfers are very easy with hindsight once one doesn't work out for whatever reason.

There was mass panic that Koleosho might have been sold, now a large number want him gone, nobody would have give it a second thought had Egan Riley gone in the summer now the worry is he is in his last year.

[123EasyasBFC]

Worrall was 4m max

[Steddyman]

Behave, this is a Transfer 'rumours' thread. Not a Transfer 'was it value for money' thread.

[Quickenthetempo]

There’s a bit more to it than that though, isn’t there?

Worrall was signed to start, which he did, then he got injured. CJER then steps in and excels( who expected that?). What is Parker to do then when Worrall returns to fitness? Drop one half of a CB pairing that appear nigh on impregnable?

Transfermarkt, for what it’s worth, has it at a shade under £5m. Still pricey but for a player who, but for an unfortunately timed injury would more than likely still be starting, isn’t excessive. Chalk that up to ‘one of those things’.

Not sure if he came here injured but from the games he has played for us he looks slow.
Fine for a low block side like a Ben Mee for Dyche in the championship.

That's why it is price dependent (like most transfers) if it was worth it.

[RicardoMontalban]

Not sure if he came here injured but from the games he has played for us he looks slow.
Fine for a low block side like a Ben Mee for Dyche in the championship.

That's why it is price dependent (like most transfers) if it was worth it.

He’s only played 4 games for us. I’d argue it probably takes a bit more to get up to speed with the system and match fit. Wouldn’t be the only one of our signings that for whom that’s applicable, especially in the context of the summer we had.

[burnleycclaret]

May have already been covered but it's not really a transfer rumour thread, so hard to pick out: Hountoundji expected to join Standard Liege today according to Sacha. Loan without option to buy.

[Quickenthetempo]

He’s only played 4 games for us. I’d argue it probably takes a bit more to get up to speed with the system and match fit. Wouldn’t be the only one of our signings that for whom that’s applicable, especially in the context of the summer we had.

I hope so and I hope it works out for him.

[warksclaret]

Also look at Worral on the sidelines at the weekend, really stood out as exactly the type of character you need for a run in.

He is apparently a great team player, and I imagine is brilliant at rallying in the dressing room, even if only on the bench. Strange some are questioning what we paid for him when in reality its probably a third to a quarter of what we paid for Tresor. You wouldn't think a dead leg would stop Worral rallying the troops

[gandhisflipflop]

May have already been covered but it's not really a transfer rumour thread, so hard to pick out: Hountoundji expected to join Standard Liege today according to Sacha. Loan without option to buy.

Not a surprise really. I hope he does well for our sake and nothing against him, but I do wonder how many of our scouts actually watched him play vs looking purely at stats.

To me, there’s nothing better than a person with an eye for spotting talent in a footballer using his or her own opinion.

[1989_claret]

Hountoundji another successful AI Scout signing. Bin it off and get back to going watching players in real life rather than using Champ Man.

[burnleycclaret]

To me, there’s nothing better than a person with an eye for spotting talent in a footballer using his or her own opinion.

Yeah. For me it should always be both. I'd want the stats to back up what several scouts agree on. Every box needs to be checked before a player signs.

[DCWat]

The other side of the coin is attitude and character. I do wonder if having the right sort of people took something of a back seat in favour of hitting certain playing stats.

[ClaretOfMancunia]

Shame it didn't work out for Massengo. He was enamoured with the town and the club.

[Stproc]

Not a surprise really. I hope he does well for our sake and nothing against him, but I do wonder how many of our scouts actually watched him play vs looking purely at stats.

To me, there’s nothing better than a person with an eye for spotting talent in a footballer using his or her own opinion.

I’m fairly sure both methods will be used.
Stats highlights where to look then you go watch.