Russia Invades

[Hipper]

not much chance Putin launches nukes imho, he would lose the support of China and India and he can't afford to do that. This is all about giving Ukraine a stronger bargaining position.

Not much point of support from anybody if there is a nuclear war.

Or are you talking tactical nuclear weapons just in Ukraine?

[Anonymous Claret]

Almost like the cost of the initial invasion would have been significantly higher than what it is now, seen as it was a full onslaught attempting to topple the Ukrainian gov.

Now it's a slow burner.

The only reason that RuZZians and Ukrainians are needlessly dying is that dictator Putin is playing empire. It really is that simple.

I disagree. It is a war provoked by the US to launder money through their military industrial complex and steal the farm land from Ukraine. Putin is a psychopath btw and cares as little for human life as the Western puppets Biden or Zelensky.

Here is RFK's take on it. Not surprisingly WEF puppet Starmer wants to build strong relationships with Black Rock. When the Eastern Bloc collapsed NATO promised Russia it wouldn't expand its empire Eastwards yet if you look at a NATO map from 1990 and a map from today you can see that they haven't kept their word.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD6kvDHbIYY

[Vegas Claret]

Not much point of support from anybody if there is a nuclear war.

Or are you talking tactical nuclear weapons just in Ukraine?

Any really but specifically the second, if he launches a nuke he's done. China is massively more powerful than Russia

[CoolClaret]

I disagree. It is a war provoked by the US to launder money through their military industrial complex and steal the farm land from Ukraine. Putin is a psychopath btw and cares as little for human life as the Western puppets Biden or Zelensky.

Here is RFK's take on it. Not surprisingly WEF puppet Starmer wants to build strong relationships with Black Rock. When the Eastern Bloc collapsed NATO promised Russia it wouldn't expand its empire Eastwards yet if you look at a NATO map from 1990 and a map from today you can see that they haven't kept their word.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD6kvDHbIYY

Dude it's not an 'empire' - do you have any idea what NATO actually is and how a Country joins?

RFK jr is an absolute anti-scientific moron, majorly responsible for the death of 70 Samoan kids for pushing anti-vaccine nonsense. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/measles-in-samoa/

[Anonymous Claret]

any danger we can get off the Trump talk and conspiracy nonsense, this thread is important and has been a good reporting tool and place to keep up with things - there are a million other places to talk about him.

Conspiracy theory was a term promoted by the CIA to stop people asking questions after JFK's assassination. 'Conspiracy theorists' is a lazy term pushed by politicians, and celebrities in the media to stop people asking questions.

Whenever people are labelled conspiracy theorists, anti vaxxers, Putin sympathisers, covid deniers or any other slur, I suggest people look beyond that and find the alternatitive views that are being kept from you either by gaslighting or censorship.

[Vegas Claret]

Conspiracy theory was a term promoted by the CIA to stop people asking questions after JFK's assassination. 'Conspiracy theorists' is a lazy term pushed by politicians, and celebrities in the media to stop people asking questions.

Whenever people are labelled conspiracy theorists, anti vaxxers, Putin sympathisers, covid deniers or any other slur, I suggest people look beyond that and find the alternatitive views that are being kept from you either by gaslighting or censorship.

well done on missing the point

[Anonymous Claret]

well done on missing the point

I didn't miss the point that you wanted to keep the thread on topic about Russia/Ukraine but if you decide to use terms such as 'conspiracy nonsense' don't be offended if I inform you how, why and when the term became popularised.

[daveisaclaret]

Conspiracy theory was a term promoted by the CIA to stop people asking questions after JFK's assassination. 'Conspiracy theorists' is a lazy term pushed by politicians, and celebrities in the media to stop people asking questions.

Whenever people are labelled conspiracy theorists, anti vaxxers, Putin sympathisers, covid deniers or any other slur, I suggest people look beyond that and find the alternatitive views that are being kept from you either by gaslighting or censorship.

A conspiracy theory about the origins of the term conspiracy theory. Next level stuff that. Batshit mental, but still good.

[NewClaret]

How do you know" they can't even fire two"?

Do you get your information from the same news outlets who were saying Putin is dying, his troops are fighting with shovels?

I believe the strikes were a warning shot across the bows.

No, I get it from the military sources online, including the pro-Russian bloggers who are remarkably honest and open about their own side’s capabilities (or lack of). As elwaclaret has said, they fired one which didn’t seem to do much damage and another which failed to take off.

Putin has admitted these IBMs are experimental technology. He hasn’t got functioning IBMs so he certainly hasn’t got ICBMs that will reach us, so no need to build a bunker in your back garden just yet

Worth noting here that a Ukrainian army are tiny compared to the Russian army (or rather the conscripts and mercenaries they can deploy). They’ve been holding off one of the supposed world powers using the scraps of the Western military’s - the ageing gear and equipment reaching its expiry.

The US and major European armies have not lost a man or a single piece of decent kit. If they, or NATO, ever supported Ukraine properly they’d smash the Russians to next week at the drop of a hat. Which is exactly what they’ll do if Putin starts using nukes.

[Lip]

No, I get it from the military sources online, including the pro-Russian bloggers who are remarkably honest and open about their own side’s capabilities (or lack of). As elwaclaret has said, they fired one which didn’t seem to do much damage and another which failed to take off.

Putin has admitted these IBMs are experimental technology. He hasn’t got functioning IBMs so he certainly hasn’t got ICBMs that will reach us, so no need to build a bunker in your back garden just yet

Worth noting here that a Ukrainian army are tiny compared to the Russian army (or rather the conscripts and mercenaries they can deploy). They’ve been holding off one of the supposed world powers using the scraps of the Western military’s - the ageing gear and equipment reaching its expiry.

The US and major European armies have not lost a man or a single piece of decent kit. If they, or NATO, ever supported Ukraine properly they’d smash the Russians to next week at the drop of a hat. Which is exactly what they’ll do if Putin starts using nukes.

That's a really good summing up.

[JarrowClaret]

Your first mistake is assuming I have lapped up Russian propaganda. I have literally only criticised people who believe without fault the American/wests propaganda.

I bet you think this situation only started a couple of years ago didn’t you? America particularly has been agitating and forcing its favourite MO regime change to keep its hand of influence over certain regions.

Israel and particularly the Zionists have been a terrorist state almost since it was created. Never stopped trying to expand and wipe out the Palestineans. Bombing women and children isn’t a war crime?

If it wasn’t for the support from the US and west then both Ukraine and Isreal would have been sunk by now, Israel can’t even invade southern Lebanon effectively hence they resort to air strikes on civilians.

Biden is also trying to create as much of a mess in Ukraine as possible for Trump to clear up. Another evil old man.

Probably correct, think I have read other stuff you have written which is Russian propaganda but maybe I am wrong. Having said that isn’t the idea that America instigated regime change in Ukraine an example of Russian propaganda?

I have no idea if it was driven by America/ the west but if it was Russia would have been pushing just as hard for the opposite to happen and failed!

The only way Ukraine gets cleaned up is if Russia withdraws which is unlikely to happen now Trump is all talk and without serious concessions on both sides he won’t be able to do anything. Apart from with draw all support to Ukraine which will result in Ukraine being annexed I have no doubt but not without the loss of many more lives who will be next though?

I don’t want to drag this thread down so I won’t reply about Israel again, but I will just ask do you think that Israel is deliberately bombing civilians? The fact is Civilian deaths are ALWAYS a consequence of war but in this case the vast majority are caused by how Hamas/ Hezbollah operate and it is deliberate on there part as well. You can choose to believe this or not but I have seen raw UAV footage showing this exact point so I know it is true.

[Taffy on the wing]

I'm praying for Trump to get hold of power ASAP and put a stop to this madness.

He'll stop it by giving his buddy Putin everything he wants.

[Taffy on the wing]

He’ll definitely have to pause and rearm to take anything else. They’re using 1940’s gear at the moment. Ukraine have destroyed a lot which is why he needs other countries help.

I agree it requires Putin’s death. It amazes me all these other lives (on both sides) are being lost on the whim of one mad man. They should just see to it that he’s killed as they did with Sadam, Bin Laden and Isreal are doing to Hamas, etc now.

How did that killing of Saddam work out?.........not to mention Gaddafi.

[NewClaret]

How did that killing of Saddam work out?.........not to mention Gaddafi.

I personally don’t think that 700k Russians would’ve been injured or killed if Putin had been popped off early in this war. There maybe been other consequences, I accept that, but it’d have been the lesser of two evils.

[Taffy on the wing]

It seems there are broadly two options.

1) Trump maintains course in a similar to Biden and Europe intensifying support in response to Russian aggression, with the aim of the prospect of ongoing military action collapsing Russia's economy in the next 12-18 months.

2) Trump threatens Ukraine with US withdrawal of military and financial support unless they give up territory to Russia and remove any prospect of Ukraine joining NATO for many years. With Putin being able to claim victory.

The Trump transition team have already stated that Ukraine can kiss goodbye to Crimea........Trump is a big Putin admirer...he'll give him what he wants.

[Taffy on the wing]

There was a USA coup against the democratically elected Ukraine Government in 2014.

Have you watched/listened to Tucker Carlsens interview with Putin?

He details the aggression and broken promises by the West against Russia in depth, then do your own fact checking from there.
Or just keep listening to the MSM about "Putin's evil intentions and advances".

Get yourself off to Russia........you'll be happy there.

[CoolClaret]

How did that killing of Saddam work out?.........not to mention Gaddafi.

How about the successful interventions in the previous years, Kosovo, Mogadishu...

Saddam was evil incarnate - he killed hundreds of thousands of his own people.

The Iraq war and all the geopolitics surrounding it are nowhere near as simple as it is made out to be.

[Shaggy]

Get yourself off to Russia........you'll be happy there.

What exactly can you disagree with? What he’s saying is correct.

[Taffy on the wing]

How about the successful interventions in the previous years, Kosovo, Mogadishu...

Saddam was evil incarnate - he killed hundreds of thousands of his own people.

The Iraq war and all the geopolitics surrounding it are nowhere near as simple as it is made out to be.

Killing Hussein resulted in Iran taking control of Iraq..........something it failed to do in their war.

The coup against Mossadegh in '53 a democratically elected president.......ultimately led to what is now the Islamic state of Iran.

The screwing over of Bin Laden after the Russia/Afghan war........led to Al Qaida.

The list of disasters goes on and on.

[AlargeClaret]

I find it a tough swallow to have “the west” giddy with barely disguised glee at the US allowing UKR to use long range ATCMS , then being almost hysterical that RUS fired a ( possibly ) very tidy piece of kit in response . That RUS are hard pushing UKR across the whole front has understandably caused a reaction , especially with Trump waiting in the wings .

Let’s be 100% clear RUS is the bad guy ( UKR is pretty rancid but a threat to no one ) . While I find the fact that DT may hand over “ battlefield gains “ to RUS as pretty unpleasant, I’d take total peace , a gargantuan UKR rebuild with state of the art defences , a huge de-escalation in the nuclear threat . I’d also grit my teeth and buy RUS gas and oil again .

[Dark Cloud]

I find it a tough swallow to have “the west” giddy with barely disguised glee at the US allowing UKR to use long range ATCMS , then being almost hysterical that RUS fired a ( possibly ) very tidy piece of kit in response . That RUS are hard pushing UKR across the whole front has understandably caused a reaction , especially with Trump waiting in the wings .

Let’s be 100% clear RUS is the bad guy ( UKR is pretty rancid but a threat to no one ) . While I find the fact that DT may hand over “ battlefield gains “ to RUS as pretty unpleasant, I’d take total peace , a gargantuan UKR rebuild with state of the art defences , a huge de-escalation in the nuclear threat . I’d also grit my teeth and buy RUS gas and oil again .

I wouldn't.

[Wile E Coyote]

No, I get it from the military sources online, including the pro-Russian bloggers who are remarkably honest and open about their own side’s capabilities (or lack of). As elwaclaret has said, they fired one which didn’t seem to do much damage and another which failed to take off.

Putin has admitted these IBMs are experimental technology. He hasn’t got functioning IBMs so he certainly hasn’t got ICBMs that will reach us, so no need to build a bunker in your back garden just yet

Worth noting here that a Ukrainian army are tiny compared to the Russian army (or rather the conscripts and mercenaries they can deploy). They’ve been holding off one of the supposed world powers using the scraps of the Western military’s - the ageing gear and equipment reaching its expiry.

The US and major European armies have not lost a man or a single piece of decent kit. If they, or NATO, ever supported Ukraine properly they’d smash the Russians to next week at the drop of a hat. Which is exactly what they’ll do if Putin starts using nukes.

I don't know anything of worth about this subject, and can tell many on this topic are very knowledgeable , but am I wrong in assuming Russia has 5000 plus weapons with nuclear capability?
if that's the case, how can they be regarded as somehow vulnerable to being "smashed into next week"

[AshevilleNCClaret]

The Trump transition team have already stated that Ukraine can kiss goodbye to Crimea........Trump is a big Putin admirer...he'll give him what he wants.

American here… at first I thought trump would concede everything to Putin but now I’m not so sure. Not to derail this thread but trump is a grifter, and if a buck can be made by supporting the Ukraine, he will back them. I can see the war still being drug out with no end in sight.

[NewClaret]

I don't know anything of worth about this subject, and can tell many on this topic are very knowledgeable , but am I wrong in assuming Russia has 5000 plus weapons with nuclear capability?
if that's the case, how can they be regarded as somehow vulnerable to being "smashed into next week"

Well, they claim to have. There’s a lot of claims about their military might that turns out to be completely unfounded.

For example, their million strong army turned out to be prisoners and mercenaries (and so many of them have been killed that they’re now drafting in North Koreans). They’re using 1940’s tanks and equipment that they “protect” from drones using cages they’ve welded on. It’s incredible that they send their own people to war so badly armed.

I don’t doubt they have some nukes, but I expect like everything else and as proven by their recent failed IMB launch, they are vastly exaggerated in both number and quality. They won’t be able to reach us but could obviously be used in Ukraine.

In a straight fight though, NATO or any western country would wipe the floor with the Russians now because what little decent equipment they had has already gone on and their army is staffed not by trained soldiers or reserves, but convicts and citizens.

The Russians have no technology - missiles, planes, tanks, that come close to matching those of the Western armies. Thats why they’re so scared of Storm Shadows and ATACMS being fired at them.

[Wile E Coyote]

Well, they claim to have. There’s a lot of claims about their military might that turns out to be completely unfounded.

For example, their million strong army turned out to be prisoners and mercenaries (and so many of them have been killed that they’re now drafting in North Koreans). They’re using 1940’s tanks and equipment that they “protect” from drones using cages they’ve welded on. It’s incredible that they send their own people to war so badly armed.

I don’t doubt they have some nukes, but I expect like everything else and as proven by their recent failed IMB launch, they are vastly exaggerated in both number and quality. They won’t be able to reach us but could obviously be used in Ukraine.

In a straight fight though, NATO or any western country would wipe the floor with the Russians now because what little decent equipment they had has already gone on and their army is staffed not by trained soldiers or reserves, but convicts and citizens.

The Russians have no technology - missiles, planes, tanks, that come close to matching those of the Western armies. Thats why they’re so scared of Storm Shadows and ATACMS being fired at them.

thanks for the reply, in a way reassuring. I do however wonder why the mainstream media analysists refer to the United States and Russia as being of equal strength numerically with weapons of this magnitude. I havent yet heard them ridicule the threat based on sub standard technology, or over optimistic belief in their delivery capabilities and likelihood of them working once fired.

[CoolClaret]

Killing Hussein resulted in Iran taking control of Iraq..........something it failed to do in their war.

The coup against Mossadegh in '53 a democratically elected president.......ultimately led to what is now the Islamic state of Iran.

The screwing over of Bin Laden after the Russia/Afghan war........led to Al Qaida.

The list of disasters goes on and on.

It's not easy trying to do the right thing - the point I was trying to make is that there have been successful interventions (but they never get brought up in these types of discussions!)

Also, we don't know the result without intervention - it's definitely more complex than is let on.... just because a situation is ok for a period of time it doesn't mean it will continue that way, that's normally why it comes to these big decisions.

There's also plenty of countries across the world that have had little to no intervention because of the fallout from Iraq etc and the situations there are really terrible.

[CoolClaret]

Well, they claim to have. There’s a lot of claims about their military might that turns out to be completely unfounded.

For example, their million strong army turned out to be prisoners and mercenaries (and so many of them have been killed that they’re now drafting in North Koreans). They’re using 1940’s tanks and equipment that they “protect” from drones using cages they’ve welded on. It’s incredible that they send their own people to war so badly armed.

I don’t doubt they have some nukes, but I expect like everything else and as proven by their recent failed IMB launch, they are vastly exaggerated in both number and quality. They won’t be able to reach us but could obviously be used in Ukraine.

In a straight fight though, NATO or any western country would wipe the floor with the Russians now because what little decent equipment they had has already gone on and their army is staffed not by trained soldiers or reserves, but convicts and citizens.

The Russians have no technology - missiles, planes, tanks, that come close to matching those of the Western armies. Thats why they’re so scared of Storm Shadows and ATACMS being fired at them.

Totally agree with all this NC.

Also worth mentioning when Wagner units encountered US Marines in Syria:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham

[NewClaret]

thanks for the reply, in a way reassuring. I do however wonder why the mainstream media analysists refer to the United States and Russia as being of equal strength numerically with weapons of this magnitude. I havent yet heard them ridicule the threat based on sub standard technology, or over optimistic belief in their delivery capabilities and likelihood of them working once fired.

No problem.

I’d say that’s possibly because they don’t know. Obviously military activity/capability is all closely guarded information. Albeit you see Russia parading their military might through Moscow (much of which is known to be in test phases or non operational), which media pick up on. What they really have, nobody knows - certainly not the press - but I am speculating that since the rest of their claims have been embarrassingly exposed in this war, there’s a good chance their nuclear ones are too.

[Hipper]

I find it a tough swallow to have “the west” giddy with barely disguised glee at the US allowing UKR to use long range ATCMS , then being almost hysterical that RUS fired a ( possibly ) very tidy piece of kit in response . That RUS are hard pushing UKR across the whole front has understandably caused a reaction , especially with Trump waiting in the wings .

Let’s be 100% clear RUS is the bad guy ( UKR is pretty rancid but a threat to no one ) . While I find the fact that DT may hand over “ battlefield gains “ to RUS as pretty unpleasant, I’d take total peace , a gargantuan UKR rebuild with state of the art defences , a huge de-escalation in the nuclear threat . I’d also grit my teeth and buy RUS gas and oil again .

Russia started this war because Ukraine wanted to move more into the western orbit - join the EU, maybe NATO. That was clearly unacceptable to Russia and that is quite understandable - they don't want this on their border. The West's official argument is that Ukraine should decide for itself (democracy) but of course the idea of a western orientated Ukraine is the biggest prize.

Your assumption is that if there was some peace agreement Russia will accept western influence in Ukraine and hence we would spend billions on resuscitating the country (if there is no western influence in Ukraine why would we help them recover. We may likely see a lot more Ukrainian refugees). I can't see Russia agreeing to this seeing as this was what the war was trying to prevent.

The only permanent peace agreement that Russia would accept would be to achieve their war aims - a Ukraine government with a Russian view, like Belarus. Anything else could only be a temporary lull until they sort things out in some political way or go to war again later.

The continuation of the war depends on three factors: Russia does not suffer some major military, political or financial collapse (and there is no obvious sign of that); the willingness of the west to spend billions on supporting Ukraine; and the ability of Ukraine to continue their defence. Of those three the second two seem more likely, particularly the exhaustion of the Ukraine people themselves.

Meanwhile the real winner is China. Russia and The West are weakened by the whole business.

[NewClaret]

Meanwhile the real winner is China. Russia and The West are weakened by the whole business.

I see your point on this, there’s a lot of positives for China, but equally I am not sure that the Russian military being decimated in the way it has without a Western military losing any men or decent kit is helpful for China. As in, I think in the end it leaves one less Eastern ‘super power’ to worry about and shows how they can destroy an army using their old gear and cast-offs. I’d feel a little bit more isolated if I were them.

[Taffy on the wing]

It's not easy trying to do the right thing - the point I was trying to make is that there have been successful interventions (but they never get brought up in these types of discussions!)

Also, we don't know the result without intervention - it's definitely more complex than is let on.... just because a situation is ok for a period of time it doesn't mean it will continue that way, that's normally why it comes to these big decisions.

There's also plenty of countries across the world that have had little to no intervention because of the fallout from Iraq etc and the situations there are really terrible.

Thing is, they weren't trying to do the right thing in the first place.

[RalphCoatesComb]

I don't know anything of worth about this subject... but am I wrong in assuming Russia has 5000 plus weapons with nuclear capability?
if that's the case, how can they be regarded as somehow vulnerable to being "smashed into next week"

If you want to debunk some of the tosh that's spoken about Putin's war, this guy gives a good intro to recent (100 years and more) history of Russia and Eastern Europe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gxssycoxz0

As for Nukes... Russia understands the principle of M.A.D. very well. They're pressing no buttons

[elwaclaret]

As twitter was filled with images of Russian troops resorting to mopeds to get around, this from war analyst…

Phillips P. OBrian, “An article worth reading. S Frederick Starr was one of the few academics/analysts to understand that the USSR was collapsing.”

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/uk ... ont-213869

[bfcjg]

Reading that it would appear the knives are being sharpened for Putin.

[Dark Cloud]

Reading that it would appear the knives are being sharpened for Putin.

Could be very wishful thinking, but if the knives really are out I'm surprised it's taken so long. Surely many of the super rich "oligarchs" have found the war disastrous in terms of business, particularly bearing in mind the restrictions on their personal travel and the fact that many of them had become so "Western" in the way they live and operate. True, certain ones are doing very nicely out of the war economy, but overall it must have been a disaster for most of them and I kind of assumed they were the real power brokers in Russia and would need to be kept onside.

[AlargeClaret]

I’d imagine once Trump is sworn in on the 20th , then some serious peace talks can be put in place , perhaps even under ceasefire . It looks to be entering stalemate on the front lines with the NATO funding etc clearly holding the Russians , who simply no longer have the sheer numbers needed to advance in such a huge front . They ( RUS) don’t have 30 million to sacrifice like they did in WWII .

[bfcjg]

Could be very wishful thinking, but if the knives really are out I'm surprised it's taken so long. Surely many of the super rich "oligarchs" have found the war disastrous in terms of business, particularly bearing in mind the restrictions on their personal travel and the fact that many of them had become so "Western" in the way they live and operate. True, certain ones are doing very nicely out of the war economy, but overall it must have been a disaster for most of them and I kind of assumed they were the real power brokers in Russia and would need to be kept onside.

I think the early murder of some critics by their " suicide" jumping from tall buildings kept a lot quiet, now though they will surely latch onto the growing dissent.

[ralph8]

Certain Tourist countries such as Egypt, Turkey and Dubai are still welcoming them in with open arms - no questions asked.

[box_of_frogs]

Certain Tourist countries such as Egypt, Turkey and Dubai are still welcoming them in with open arms - no questions asked.

Reason number 1 why I don’t want to go back to any of those places.

[ClaretLoup]

Right here is a summary of the state of the Russian Economy

https://www.euronews.com/2024/12/20/rus ... 20Ukraine.

Key features are an inflation rate of 9.5%, interest rates =21% and Putin financing his war selling discounted oil to India and China @ 57euro/£55 per barrel - current Brent Oil price is $77

GDP grew 1% last year, as Putin recently boasted, at a rate higher than the UK however the Russian economy is considerably smaller than the UK at $2 trillion as opposed to UK $3.34 trillion, Russia is even smaller economically than Italy.

It can't be long before the war sucks the strength out of Russia, however one thing they have got lot of is bodies and they have augmented their forces with North Koreans.

Sadly the Russian people seemed to be so brainwashed and/or frightened to speak out, this guy eloquently explains the situation and how it works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3hbEX5rXwM

[Loyalclaret]

Certain Tourist countries such as Egypt, Turkey and Dubai are still welcoming them in with open arms - no questions asked.

Add Thailand to that list, certain places in Phuket we only met Russians. Other than an Australian family, we were the only non-Russian guest in our hotel the whole stay.

[Tribesmen]

Add Thailand to that list, certain places in Phuket we only met Russians. Other than an Australian family, we were the only non-Russian guest in our hotel the whole stay.

Sri Lanka also

[ALP]

I've wanted to say this for a while, now feeling the time is right. Just **** off Putin and die you *******, please don't hesitate to take Trump with you and maybe Kim Jung not well hung, between you all you don't equal one decent human being.

I feel much better for getting that off my chest.

[Devils_Advocate]

I've wanted to say this for a while, now feeling the time is right. Just **** off Putin and die you *******, please don't hesitate to take Trump with you and maybe Kim Jung not well hung, between you all you don't equal one decent human being.

I feel much better for getting that off my chest.

You can add Netanyahu to that list

[Wile E Coyote]

If you want to debunk some of the tosh that's spoken about Putin's war, this guy gives a good intro to recent (100 years and more) history of Russia and Eastern Europe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gxssycoxz0

As for Nukes... Russia understands the principle of M.A.D. very well. They're pressing no buttons

thanks Ralph, great info. fascinating. glad I stumbled across this.

[ALP]

You can add Netanyahu to that list

100% add him the murderous *******

[karatekid]

The sad thing is, if aliens landed tomorrow, we humans would all become brothers in the fight to free earth no matter what our politics or religion.

[The Shire Claret]

The sad thing is, if aliens landed tomorrow, we humans would all become brothers in the fight to free earth no matter what our politics or religion.

And you would kick their ass cause you know Karate !

[GetIntoEm]

Why shouldn't Russians be allowed to go on holiday again?

[karatekid]

Because they pile their plates up at the all inclusive and then leave most of it. Greedy barstwerards.