Tresor

[Goliath]

It's quite clear the he's technically a step above pretty much anything in the league. That was never in doubt, I remember thinking he was technically one of the best on the pitch against Liverpool at home last season, his touch was sensational at times.

It's the rest of his game that's always going to be an issue, for whoever he plays for.

[Jakubclaret]

It’s a bit odd that some people are giving Tresor more stick tonight (and after two assists) than they would have given him if he’d not played at all.

It feels like he’s reached the point where he can’t win amongst some elements of our fanbase.

In fairness quite a few things have happened leading to that & it takes time to win people's trust over. People aren't all going to be singing & dancing overnight.

[steve1264b]

Thought he aced it. Looks a better player than Koleosho.

We have 12m big ones riding on him, i for one wish him nothing but success and maybe this is a turning point.

He is human, he must have enjoyed that today, if he has then it can only be good for the future.

He must retain his place on the bench and we must do all we can to get him up and running.

[agreenwood]

In fairness quite a few things have happened leading to that & it takes time to win people's trust over. People aren't all going to be singing & dancing overnight.

I don’t disagree. You don’t need to be won over based on one game, but the gripe for 12 months has been that he’s not contributed anything. When he then does play and set up two goals, it seems slightly churlish to start finding new things to criticise him for.

There are fans over on Twitter claiming they never want to see him in a Burnley shirt again based on his perceived lack of effort. It’s mind boggling.

[claretspice]

Getting Tresor on the pitch is a good news story for the club.

Getting Tresor on the pitch and contributing immediately he steps on the pitch is even better news.

I don't think there's much point in overthinking his demeanour on the pitch, or whether he was knackered at the end of 40 minutes. He's a laid back, very languid character and always has been. Equally, this was his first appearance in a first team game for 365 days. He last played 10 minutes against Luton on 12 January last year.

Either this is a big step up towards him contributing for us this season, or it's a timely reminder to potential suitors that he's still got quality which would be a big help towards getting him off the wage bill on terms that frees up a chunk of budget. You'd imagine that if he were looking for a move he probably wouldn't want to advertise himself as a lazy lay about so it might just be that he was legitimately knackered. Let's just bank the fact he's played, and helped create two goals.

[TPClaret]

It’s a bit odd that some people are giving Tresor more stick tonight (and after two assists) than they would have given him if he’d not played at all.

It feels like he’s reached the point where he can’t win amongst some elements of our fanbase.

Some ot our fans seem hell bent on having a go at someone every week, whether it be AP, SP or the players.

[Jakubclaret]

I don’t disagree. You don’t need to be won over based on one game, but the gripe for 12 months has been that he’s not contributed anything. When he then does play and set up two goals, it seems slightly churlish to start finding new things to criticise him for.

You do get extreme reactions this forum wouldn't be this forum any other way I think. But equally over the top praise is being lavished as well on the back of 1 game really & it has to be said against inferior opposition no disrespect to reading. By the by it's definitely positive that he featured & played well.

[TPClaret]

In fairness quite a few things have happened leading to that & it takes time to win people's trust over. People aren't all going to be singing & dancing overnight.

People don’t know what’s really gone on with him. Most will be Bull

[Jakubclaret]

People don’t know what’s really gone on with him. Most will be Bull

That's true a lot of things concerning him seem to be shrouded in mystery which I find peculiar.

[warksclaret]

Thought he got a positive reaction from the fans. For me he did the simple things well and made a major contribution towards the end of the game, involved in at least two of the goals. For me he showed Koleosho that less is better

[123EasyasBFC]

https://youtu.be/dnAybIrdNxw?si=oVtItoLF5K_cSKi5

My lad sent me this when discussing Tresor, he certainly looks like a player trying who is just massively struggling with fitness, he celebrates both goals to

[LincsWoldsClaret]

Clearly not as fit as he needs to be. But he assessed how to unlock their defence for the second goal and made it happen. Obviously his best performance for us and it would be great to see more

[fatboy47]

https://youtu.be/dnAybIrdNxw?si=oVtItoLF5K_cSKi5

My lad sent me this he celebrates both goals to

Sshhhhhhh!....doesn't fit the numpty agenda.

[CrosspoolClarets]

https://youtu.be/dnAybIrdNxw?si=oVtItoLF5K_cSKi5

My lad sent me this when discussing Tresor, he certainly looks like a player trying who is just massively struggling with fitness, he celebrates both goals to

Just watched that.

Definitely knackered by the end and looked to have a bit of a limp too. Probably did it when jumping in the air to celebrate our 2nd goal

I noticed the hands on knees thing before the 2nd goal - can’t say about later in the game but that was him pulling his socks up in the clip. He does that thing where they are over his knees.

So far I haven’t seen anything negative over than a need to build up fitness. To be honest the bigger issue will be if his languid nature is Parker’s cup of tea. I suspect not. Needs must and if it were me I’d be trying to incorporate him for 4 months with a promise to sell in the summer if desired. As an option to unlock doors he could be exceptional at this level or indeed above.

[123EasyasBFC]

Just watched that.

Definitely knackered by the end and looked to have a bit of a limp too. Probably did it when jumping in the air to celebrate our 2nd goal

I noticed the hands on knees thing before the 2nd goal - can’t say about later in the game but that was him pulling his socks up in the clip. He does that thing where they are over his knees.

So far I haven’t seen anything negative over than a need to build up fitness. To be honest the bigger issue will be if his languid nature is Parker’s cup of tea. I suspect not. Needs must and if it were me I’d be trying to incorporate him for 4 months with a promise to sell in the summer if desired. As an option to unlock doors he could be exceptional at this level or indeed above.

If he is to stay at the club he’s certainly not someone you are banking on in a end to end game against Leeds for example but if it’s a team camped in their down half then he clearly has to talent to be that difference maker

[BleedingClaret]

Attitude, or a serious fitness issue?

Came across as a bad attitude

But I wondered too if it was fitness

Reminded me of myself playing footy at Crowwood, Half an hour to loosen up then half an hour cramping up BUT I’m 57

How poorly has he trained or not warmed up in freezing temperature to be in that bad a condition

Some excellent touches though

[TPClaret]

Came across as a bad attitude

But I wondered too if it was fitness

Reminded me of myself playing footy at Crowwood, Half an hour to loosen up then half an hour cramping up BUT I’m 57

How poorly has he trained or not warmed up in freezing temperature to be in that bad a condition

Some excellent touches though

Surely if it was bad attitude, as a manager, you’d have him nowhere near the squad

[Rowls]

Really hope we can have a positive Mike Tresor story this season.

Whatever else happens, this would be a real feather in Scot Parker's cap if he could achieve this.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Does anybody know the real reason behind Tresor being absent for so long? I understand if it can’t be shared publicly but would be nice to know if anybody has actually been told. I hope he is ok. From the snippets I’ve seen he looked knackered by the end, but his pass for the assist was superb no doubt

[NewClaret]

I can’t work him out. Today he comes on and in a few very well executed passes changed the game.

I wish our other players had that class and there was nothing particularly remarkable about what he did - one look up and pass to the players feet and one ball in to space - but it’s that little bit of quality we’ve been missing.

He also looked very disinterested. He strolls around and I don’t think I’ll ever witness him win a duel if he plays till he’s 50. Conversely, Koleosho got drawn to the opposite wing once and on turnover sprinted the full length of the pitch to get back in to his defensive position. Overall I think I’d rather have that commitment with less ability.

[Rowls]

Did anybody watch him on a regular basis when he was getting all those assists in Belgium?

Has he always played in the manner we've seen?

[CoolClaret]

I can’t work him out. Today he comes on and in a few very well executed passes changed the game.

I wish our other players had that class and there was nothing particularly remarkable about what he did - one look up and pass to the players feet and one ball in to space - but it’s that little bit of quality we’ve been missing.

He also looked very disinterested. He strolls around and I don’t think I’ll ever witness him win a duel if he plays till he’s 50. Conversely, Koleosho got drawn to the opposite wing once and on turnover sprinted the full length of the pitch to get back in to his defensive position. Overall I think I’d rather have that commitment with less ability.

He's using his brain and sensing space and where to pop up. It's a really crap take NC sorry to say he looks disinterested... look at the sprint he made making the run for the pass off Bauress, to set up our second goal.

Koleosho simply doesn't have a natural footballing brain like Tresor has.

[Taffy on the wing]

Breath of fresh air as far as i'm concerned.....some very negative comments on here.

[aggi]

Why do you, seriously?

Well TV generally cuts to the player with the ball so Tresor could look quite involved.

Watching live it was clear that, whether due to fitness or attitude, the off the ball movement from Tresor was minimal. He didn't move into space, he didn't chase down, he often didn't offer an option.

He's clearly very skillful and I really hope he kicks on from that but I don't think that anyone who was at the game today would say he was excellent.

[JR1882]

Can only be a good sign for us as, if he was downing tools for a move I don’t think he/we would be risking injury in a cup game against lower league opposition so hopefully can come back into the fold and add some quality - if he wants to be a premier league player next season you’d think this is his only route.

[Guller Bull]

Le cas mystérieux de M. Trésor

Possibilités

1) He has been genuinely unwell and is en route to recovery.
2) He wanted a move in summer but wasn’t fit enough for that move, got stroppy and became more unfit and now has decided to buckle down and get match fit.
3) As per number 2 above because he wants to get a move away in this or the next window
4) As per number 2 above because he has decided to buckle down and prove to himself and everyone else of his worth.

Let’s hope it’s 1 or 4.

Any other theories?

[Guller Bull]

Could be a ridiculous suggestion, but is it possible that his contract stipulates that he won’t play in the Championship - therefore encouraging the club to sell him in the event of relegation. The sale then not being feasible due to his illness/injury and the FA cup providing a loophole opportunity to give him some game time?

Just seen this from Rileybobs to add to the theories

[ClaretOfMancunia]

Just seen this from Rileybobs to add to the theories

Why would we register a player in the squad that we can't play?

[Newcastleclaret93]

I can’t work him out. Today he comes on and in a few very well executed passes changed the game.

I wish our other players had that class and there was nothing particularly remarkable about what he did - one look up and pass to the players feet and one ball in to space - but it’s that little bit of quality we’ve been missing.

He also looked very disinterested. He strolls around and I don’t think I’ll ever witness him win a duel if he plays till he’s 50. Conversely, Koleosho got drawn to the opposite wing once and on turnover sprinted the full length of the pitch to get back in to his defensive position. Overall I think I’d rather have that commitment with less ability.

I think that choice is probably why we have drawn a load of games and struggle to score goals though Newclaret. We are opting for players with less quality but work hard over technical ability.

I personally think we can carry someone like Tresor as long as everyone on the pitch realises the role he’s playing. A match winner on the run in is invaluable

[AfloatinClaret]

Some ot our fans seem hell bent on having a go at someone every week, whether it be AP, SP or the players.

On the upside, this is surely preferable to them instead spewing their bile, or beating up on their wives, kids and pet bunny rabbits?

[Clovius Boofus]

None of us have a clue about whether he's been ill, injured, or whatever. Anyway, he was great when he came on, and the players looked well comfortable with him, both on the pitch and afterwards. I just don't get how some fans believe he should not be playing for us, when, like the rest of us, they haven't got a Scooby-Doo about what led to his absence.

[nil_desperandum]

Tresor seems to be a very intelligent footballer, and is just returning from a long-term "injury". Not played for a full year.
He seemed highly motivated and lively until we went 3-1 up, then he looked languid and "disinterested", but he did retain the ball and passed to a Burnley shirt.
Is it not just possible that - using his brain - he felt that at 3-1 up the game was won, and that in cold conditions his priority was to get through to the end of the game without jeopardising his fitness.
Who knows, he might still be looking for a move during this month, so why put that at risk by getting injured?
I don't think any of our players showed much urgency once we went 3-1 up, but naturally our focus was on him
(Maybe I'm being too kind to him, but let's give him the benefit. he could be very useful to us based on this cameo)

[Shaun1983]

I was there yesterday and it’s obvious some of the fans will just never want him here now. Where I was sat there was numerous fans shouting for him to f**k off out of our club and calling him a lazy c**t when we were 3-1 up. He did seem to take the easy passes and looked knakered but the game was already won.
Think fans should at least give him the opportunity to prove himself as nobody actually knows what has gone on with him.

[BleedingClaret]

Surely if it was bad attitude, as a manager, you’d have him nowhere near the squad

You’d think not

But there’s quite a few million pounds involved in him proving his worth

I was there and he was right in front of us and it looked like he wasn’t interested after 20 minutes of great touches and interplay including the give and go and assist for the 2nd goal then virtually zero movement which was admittedly still interspersed with some neat keep the ball touches in keeping with how we play anyway.

As I said in my original post it looked like disinterest but the playing with the top of his socks could also be a stretching of the hamstrings

He clearly has a quality that we need to use if we need to break teams down that are sitting deep late in games


Fitness or attitude or a bit of both who knows

[claretspice]

You’d think not

But there’s quite a few million pounds involved in him proving his worth

I was there and he was right in front of us and it looked like he wasn’t interested after 20 minutes of great touches and interplay including the give and go and assist for the 2nd goal then virtually zero movement which was admittedly still interspersed with some neat keep the ball touches in keeping with how we play anyway.

As I said in my original post it looked like disinterest but the playing with the top of his socks could also be a stretching of the hamstrings

He clearly has a quality that we need to use if we need to break teams down that are sitting deep late in games


Fitness or attitude or a bit of both who knows

The bloke hasn't played for 365 days - exactly a year - and has been by most rumours, extremely ill in the meantime. With the vast majority of players the starting assumption would be that it was fitness that was issue.

[BleedingClaret]

True but he hadn’t done 90 minutes plus the added
Most around me on the day thought it looked like a bad attitude
We had all had a drink or two

[NL Claret]

3-1 up, instructions were to keep the ball which you could hear been shouted on the TV and is the obvious tactics for the stage of the game.

Utc posters dislike Tresor therefore the instructions get ignored and Tresor is lazy and has a bad attitude.

When utc posters don't like a player or manager there's no way back for them. They will cling to any bit of negativity and create conspiracy theories.

Other players who utc posters love become bomb proof and are exempt from criticism. There's a love in thread on Jay Rod where anyone who dares to point out his brain works faster than his legs will get hammered.

[agreenwood]

It’s interesting how many people have suggested Barnes will help with Tresor’s effort levels over the last 24 hours.

Barnes’s immediate priority is working to ensure he can contribute a damn sight more than he managed yesterday.

[claretspice]

True but he hadn’t done 90 minutes plus the added
Most around me on the day thought it looked like a bad attitude
We had all had a drink or two

Yeah but that's my point. The knee jerk with Tresor is it is attitude not fitness. He may not have played the 90 but with injury time he played around 45 minutes all in. That's what others (returning from shorter and potentially less debilitating absences) have played in an u23 game - a significantly lower level - in their first competitive game.

I wasn't there yesterday, and I've no idea how good or bad Tresor's attitude is. But it does feel as though - perhaps not helped by the club's handling of this- he's being judged to a different standard to others.

[mybloodisclaret]

https://youtu.be/dnAybIrdNxw?si=oVtItoLF5K_cSKi5

My lad sent me this when discussing Tresor, he certainly looks like a player trying who is just massively struggling with fitness, he celebrates both goals to

Without a doubt the worst VLOG I have ever watched. (I realise you didn't share it for commentary on the quality of the vlog).

The lad didn't even know what round of the cup it was.
Then his goal celebration was repeatedly shouting, "Have that you Burnley c**ts"

Then there was the comical back ground noise. First there was the angry man shouting profanity after profanity, his highlight, "Kill Him!!!" and the lady who was clearly not a tactical genius repeatedly shouting a mix of commands which could have been construed in many different ways.

- I honestly thought these 2 were just taking the mick.
I didn't watch until the end, just saw Zian's 2nd and turned off.

[BleedingClaret]

Yeah but that's my point. The knee jerk with Tresor is it is attitude not fitness. He may not have played the 90 but with injury time he played around 45 minutes all in. That's what others (returning from shorter and potentially less debilitating absences) have played in an u23 game - a significantly lower level - in their first competitive game.

I wasn't there yesterday, and I've no idea how good or bad Tresor's attitude is. But it does feel as though - perhaps not helped by the club's handling of this- he's being judged to a different standard to others.

I think the point you make about the clubs handling of it is valid along with the size of the transfer fee, so emotive fans are already wound up by the situation before he kicked a ball

[RVclaret]

Well TV generally cuts to the player with the ball so Tresor could look quite involved.

Watching live it was clear that, whether due to fitness or attitude, the off the ball movement from Tresor was minimal. He didn't move into space, he didn't chase down, he often didn't offer an option.

He's clearly very skillful and I really hope he kicks on from that but I don't think that anyone who was at the game today would say he was excellent.

I knew a few at the game and they said he was excellent and helped win us the game.

[claretspice]

I think the point you make about the clubs handling of it is valid along with the size of the transfer fee, so emotive fans are already wound up by the situation before he kicked a ball

All true. You can add in the fact he's always going to be a languid, laid back sort of player who looks like he's making it easy when it works and too casual when it doesn't, and who looked like he was struggling to adjust to the demands of the Premier League as a result. But that doesn't make him a bad player with a bad attitude in itself and it'd be better if people tried to be a bit more dispassionate about these things.

[JarrowClaret]

Yeah but that's my point. The knee jerk with Tresor is it is attitude not fitness. He may not have played the 90 but with injury time he played around 45 minutes all in. That's what others (returning from shorter and potentially less debilitating absences) have played in an u23 game - a significantly lower level - in their first competitive game.

I wasn't there yesterday, and I've no idea how good or bad Tresor's attitude is. But it does feel as though - perhaps not helped by the club's handling of this- he's being judged to a different standard to others.

I was 1 of the people in here that was supporting Tresor we can see a fit, happy raring to go Mike Tresor who is used correctly will be a huge asset for us especially in this league and should be 1 of the first names on the team sheet. Last season we didn’t see that much for various reasons some of them would no doubt be down to him, but anybody who watched him though could see that defensively he is a liability especially in the Prem. If he stays and plays I think he needs to be used similar to how QPR used Taraat under Warnock basically don’t let him venture into our half too much, get the ball to him and let him do his stuff.

Same as you though I haven’t seen the game other than highlights so it is impossible to judge his attitude but if at 3-1 up he chose to chill a bit with the game won after being out for a year then I whole heartedly agree it was right for him to do as long as he gradually builds his fitness up so he doesn’t need to coast in the future.

[Hedontplayforyou]

I still think he will leave us shorty despite whatever is happening in the background .

[jojomk1]

Forgetting this season, just look at his stats for last season under Kompany
Mike Tresor's Burnley FC 2023-24 Premier League Stats
Appearances
16
Average Minutes Per Game
27
Goals
0
Shots Per Game
0.3
Assists
0
Touches Per Game
16.1
Big Chances Created
1
Key Passes Per Game
0.4
Successful dribbles per game
0.7
Stats Correct As Per Sofascore

He is clearly a player with skills but attitude (either physical or mental) just doesn't seem to suit the game in this country
Sincerely hope he gets better but maybe a move away from Burnley is the best for both parties

[willsclarets]

Forgetting this season, just look at his stats for last season under Kompany
Mike Tresor's Burnley FC 2023-24 Premier League Stats
Appearances
16
Average Minutes Per Game
27
Goals
0
Shots Per Game
0.3
Assists
0
Touches Per Game
16.1
Big Chances Created
1
Key Passes Per Game
0.4
Successful dribbles per game
0.7
Stats Correct As Per Sofascore

He is clearly a player with skills but attitude (either physical or mental) just doesn't seem to suit the game in this country
Sincerely hope he gets better but maybe a move away from Burnley is the best for both parties

16 games. 27 minutes on average per game. Same as people saying beyer isn't up to premier league standard. The sample size is not big enough, those stats in a struggling side tell you he had a difficult start. That's it.

[claretspice]

16 games. 27 minutes on average per game. Same as people saying beyer isn't up to premier league standard. The sample size is not big enough, those stats in a struggling side tell you he had a difficult start. That's it.

Whilst making no allowance for the size of the step up he was making in class and intensity in moving from Belgium to the Premier League.

I thought from the limited evidence last season that Tresor was a poorly judged signing for a team stepping up as a whole to the Premier League and likely to be fighting relegation. He was always going to have to adapt his style too much and expose some of his areas for improvement off the ball. Plenty of players have struggled in settling into the Premier League even in more established teams. But it doesn't mean they can't adapt given time and it certainly doesn't mean they can't contribute at a far more forgiving level in the Championship, and it doesn't automatically mean their attitude stinks.

[KlyBfc]

I have generally sat on the bench wirh Tesor. Frustrated by his lack of appearances but not really knowing the reasons. Ive always felt you could see the player in him, touch, how he could see a pass etc. but fully get the frustrations others have with him. Ive felt for a while he was perhaps not playing as he wouldnt play for the u21s and that was something Parker was demanding before involvement in a league game (hence why hes been paid but not played), but thats speculation on my part.

Anyway I watched on TV yesterday and you could see he wasn’t tracking back into a defensive shape when the ball was on the opposite side. However im not sure of that was by design as it kept the Reading full back with him and the pitch big. He looks like a winger who will run when he needs to but isnt going to exert himself when there is no need to. He is an old school laid back feel about him.

[Rileybobs]

Tresor added that final bit of quality yesterday that has been missing all too often this season. But his demeanour and workrate in the last 10 minutes was very odd, there’s no getting away from that. Regardless of fitness levels and recovery from illness, a professional footballer should not be in physical state after a short jog around. I have no problem with his keeping the ball to see the game out, but there was a noticeable lack of effort which I’m sure won’t be tolerated.