Tresor

[Elizabeth]

I'm sure the club are handling the situation with Tresor a lot better than some suspect.

[NewClaret]

I think that choice is probably why we have drawn a load of games and struggle to score goals though Newclaret. We are opting for players with less quality but work hard over technical ability.

I personally think we can carry someone like Tresor as long as everyone on the pitch realises the role he’s playing. A match winner on the run in is invaluable

You’re possibly right there on both counts.

I think if you look at Anthony and Koleosho both are real workhorses. Hannibal has played the left midfield role too and he’s the same.

If I’m honest I think Sarmiento has played less because I don’t think Parker trusts him to track back, but he’s a similar technical player.

There’s definitely a very strong argument that in this league we really can afford a flair player or two in the team that doesn’t do that work. That is as long as the other players are

What does that do for squad harmony? Would you run your arse off so others could walk around? I wouldn’t to be honest.

Whether we’d be better off as a team for doing that is and having his flair is a different question.

[NewClaret]

I'm sure the club are handling the situation with Tresor a lot better than some suspect.

Tend to agree with this, not that I have a clue what is going on.

[NewClaret]

He's using his brain and sensing space and where to pop up. It's a really crap take NC sorry to say he looks disinterested... look at the sprint he made making the run for the pass off Bauress, to set up our second goal.

Koleosho simply doesn't have a natural footballing brain like Tresor has.

Certainly no disputing your last point. I said he has real class. He’s also 5 years older than Koleosho though if we’re being fair.

I disagree - he did look disinterested as a number of other posters have said. He did make a run for the goal and for an bad pass but beyond that he did no work off the ball, walked about, celebrated the second that he assisted but didn’t even raise his arms or join the celebrations for the third.

He still looked class which is somewhat the frustration but I cannot see him getting in the side again on that showing. I don’t think Parker will trusts him.

He said a few weeks ago of Anthony: “I can close my eyes and 10 seconds later I know where he’ll be”. That’s what he’s after. He won’t be able to say that of Tresor.

I think the best we can hope for is an impact sub if we need a goal.

[Socrates]

He said a few weeks ago of Anthony: “I can close my eyes and 10 seconds later I know where he’ll be”. That’s what he’s after. He won’t be able to say that of Tresor.

Respectfully disagree.

I think there’s a fair to middling chance Tresor will be exactly where you last saw him.

[CoolClaret]

Certainly no disputing your last point. I said he has real class. He’s also 5 years older than Koleosho though if we’re being fair.

I disagree - he did look disinterested as a number of other posters have said. He did make a run for the goal and for an bad pass but beyond that he did no work off the ball, walked about, celebrated the second that he assisted but didn’t even raise his arms or join the celebrations for the third.

He still looked class which is somewhat the frustration but I cannot see him getting in the side again on that showing. I don’t think Parker will trusts him.

He said a few weeks ago of Anthony: “I can close my eyes and 10 seconds later I know where he’ll be”. That’s what he’s after. He won’t be able to say that of Tresor.

I think the best we can hope for is an impact sub if we need a goal.

I really do think it's a fallacy to suggest that a player is 'disinterested' based on your perception of their body language.

In some of his appearances last season, he tracked back and ran hard, but it's important to remember that not everyone is wired the same way. If his more laid-back demeanour means he's more switched on in the vital moments, then so be it.

I'd certainly prefer that than be a headless chicken that squanders good opportunities with their lack of calmness.

I have said it since the opening few games: The system and management are sound. We have lacked goals because we haven't had enough quality in the final third. I think yesterday vindicates that viewpoint because as soon as he was introduced, we started turning our possession into real golden opportunities and got in behind the Reading defence far more frequently than prior to his introducton.

For me, a player like Tresor represents the final piece of the jigsaw and is the type of player we have been crying out for all season.

Anthony is another player who gets himself into good positions and is tactically very switched on—just look at the number of touches he makes per 90 minutes compared with Luca, who I feel needs a loan at a lower level.

No one truly knows what's gone on with Tresor, though I am led to believe it's not as straightforward as some try and make out.

[NottsClaret]

He’s got the best minutes / forum word count ratio since Van Der Schaff.

[sleeperclaret]

Respectfully disagree.

I think there’s a fair to middling chance Tresor will be exactly where you last saw him.

That made me lol for longer than it probably should have.

[fatboy47]

Plenty of players doing lots of tracking back in all our crappy 0-0 draws against the likes of Preston recently.

[dougcollins]

Plenty of players doing lots of tracking back in all our crappy 0-0 draws against the likes of Preston recently.

I used to tell my manager that when I played in the LOW but it never went down well!

[NewClaret]

Respectfully disagree.

I think there’s a fair to middling chance Tresor will be exactly where you last saw him.

Very good point!

[LeadBelly]

Plenty of players doing lots of tracking back in all our crappy 0-0 draws against the likes of Preston recently.

Without the tracking back, though, they may well have been 1-0 or 2-0 losses.

[NewClaret]

I really do think it's a fallacy to suggest that a player is 'disinterested' based on your perception of their body language.

In some of his appearances last season, he tracked back and ran hard, but it's important to remember that not everyone is wired the same way. If his more laid-back demeanour means he's more switched on in the vital moments, then so be it.

I'd certainly prefer that than be a headless chicken that squanders good opportunities with their lack of calmness.

I have said it since the opening few games: The system and management are sound. We have lacked goals because we haven't had enough quality in the final third. I think yesterday vindicates that viewpoint because as soon as he was introduced, we started turning our possession into real golden opportunities and got in behind the Reading defence far more frequently than prior to his introducton.

For me, a player like Tresor represents the final piece of the jigsaw and is the type of player we have been crying out for all season.

Anthony is another player who gets himself into good positions and is tactically very switched on—just look at the number of touches he makes per 90 minutes compared with Luca, who I feel needs a loan at a lower level.

No one truly knows what's gone on with Tresor, though I am led to believe it's not as straightforward as some try and make out.

I’m not basing my opinions on last season, or body language, just yesterday and his complete lack of effort off the ball.

I would agree with all your other points including lack of any quality in the final third. It’s infuriating when the rest of the system is pretty good, as you say.

I think Kompany added a whole load of players with real quality in the team. Amdouni, Odobert, Tresor, etc. on the ball were superb but lazy and weak off it. No physicality or willingness to do the dirty side of the game.

Would I accommodate him for his quality? Maybe. I think we can probably afford one less player pressing hard and tracking back when the opposition lack quality to finish chances. Arguably we’ve been way too cautious in games and need to throw more caution to the wind.

That said, it’s not great for team culture to have 10 putting in the graft to accommodate a luxury player. And it doesn’t matter what I’d do anyway - I cannot see Parker playing him after that showing unless it’s as a sub and we need a goal.

I can definitely imagine this is a more complex situation than we’re aware of. It must be. I really don’t care what’s happened or why - if Parker picks him I’ll back him but I think he’ll need to give a lot more than he did yesterday for that to happen.

[Paul Waine]

Mike Tresor - good to see him on the pitch yesterday at Reading. I got the impression he was a senior player/maybe even young coach (and ex-player) who had popped along to see how the youngsters were doing, someone else had dropped out/got injured/whatever and Tresor was asked to get changed and make the numbers up on the field. Told he could get involved now and again, show the youngsters how to break open a tight defence, maybe even assist for a goal. Also told he didn't need to run too hard and he should let the "youngsters" get on with the game most of the time.

Odd. I like the players who really "put a shift in." Mike Tresor reminded me of Steven Defour when he first started playing for Burnley. Very skilled, limited effort - the other guys are there to do the running around. Then Burnley played Spurs at Wembley (when their new ground was being built) and Steven Defour was putting in the effort, including getting back in defence and clearing one off the line. I think the Clarets got a point, 1-1. One of Steven Defour great games. One of those games Steven Defour knew that his effort could make all the difference. Yesterday, Mike Tresor just did that for the time it took Burnley to beat Reading. Who knows, maybe he doesn't like beating smaller clubs by more than a couple of goals.

Mike Tresor came on in 87th minute and played roughly 7 minutes, including 4 minutes added time. Tresor then assisted Zian Flemming's first goal 10 minutes into first half of extra time. In total Tresor was on the pitch for less than 40 minutes (including added time in both halves extra time).

It would be great if the "magic" can be unlocked and we see some more of Mike Tresor at Southampton and Mike Tresor can become an integral part of the team. At some stage Scott Parker will be thinking of the players the club needs for another crack at the Premier League next season, if Burnley go up.

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[ClaretPete001]

I’m not basing my opinions on last season, or body language, just yesterday and his complete lack of effort off the ball.

I would agree with all your other points including lack of any quality in the final third. It’s infuriating when the rest of the system is pretty good, as you say.

I think Kompany added a whole load of players with real quality in the team. Amdouni, Odobert, Tresor, etc. on the ball were superb but lazy and weak off it. No physicality or willingness to do the dirty side of the game.

Would I accommodate him for his quality? Maybe. I think we can probably afford one less player pressing hard and tracking back when the opposition lack quality to finish chances. Arguably we’ve been way too cautious in games and need to throw more caution to the wind.

That said, it’s not great for team culture to have 10 putting in the graft to accommodate a luxury player. And it doesn’t matter what I’d do anyway - I cannot see Parker playing him after that showing unless it’s as a sub and we need a goal.

I can definitely imagine this is a more complex situation than we’re aware of. It must be. I really don’t care what’s happened or why - if Parker picks him I’ll back him but I think he’ll need to give a lot more than he did yesterday for that to happen.

Just watched Arsenal and a pre match analysis of Gabriel Jesus and his inability to lead a line often coming too deep. It was like watching Burnley (at our worst); laborious with endless recycling of the ball because there is no penetration in the front line. I'm not sure Tresor is the answer to that...

Like you, I think Tresor's work off the ball is lamentable and personally think that when a chairman of a club says he doesn't know what the issue with a player - there is no coming back for the player.

I'm sure there is more to the Tresor situation than meets the eye but we have just watched a second 11 deservedly beat a league one side that hasn't lost at home for ages and to be honest there is too much good news to waste much time pondering the Tresor issue.

[fatboy47]

Without the tracking back, though, they may well have been 1-0 or 2-0 losses.

Indeed.

Or 1-0 or 2-0 wins.

[Rowls]

Respectfully disagree.

I think there’s a fair to middling chance Tresor will be exactly where you last saw him.

Respectfully, have to take issue with this.

I've correctly guessed where Anthony will appear once or twice a week ever since he signed.

In contrast, our stealthy Belgian has only appeared where one might hope he should on the single occasion.

In terms of keeping the opposition (or anybody for that matter) guessing, Trésor is clearly streets ahead.

[helmclaret]

I disrespectfully disagree.

What are you on about Rowls?

[CrosspoolClarets]

I do ponder at times how Burnley fans would have treated a player like Cantona playing for us.

Leeds made that mistake. He won the league with them, but Howard Wilkinson thought he wasn’t disciplined enough for his framework, they sold him, and their last 30 years has been rank average.

Some may argue football has changed and now has to be more disciplined, I tend to think mavericks are still needed.

[mickleoverclaret]

I do ponder at times how Burnley fans would have treated a player like Cantona playing for us.

Leeds made that mistake. He won the league with them, but Howard Wilkinson thought he wasn’t disciplined enough for his framework, they sold him, and their last 30 years has been rank average.

Some may argue football has changed and now has to be more disciplined, I tend to think mavericks are still needed.

To be fair, the fact that he actually played would have stood him in better stead than Tresor.

[Rowls]

I disrespectfully disagree.

What are you on about Rowls?

This has not come as a surprise, helmsy, my old friend.

My post was a joke, alluding to the fact that we haven’t known where Trésor has been for 6 months and implying that this elusiveness could provide a tactical advantage on the football pitch. Obviously it can’t because being elusive on the pitch is different to being in an unknown location.

Jokes are a way to share humour and pass the time with pleasantries.

AI interfaces are now fairly adept at explaining jokes and humour so you could use one of those to explain in future.

All the best and goodnight,

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[ClaretPete001]

I do ponder at times how Burnley fans would have treated a player like Cantona playing for us.

Leeds made that mistake. He won the league with them, but Howard Wilkinson thought he wasn’t disciplined enough for his framework, they sold him, and their last 30 years has been rank average.

Some may argue football has changed and now has to be more disciplined, I tend to think mavericks are still needed.

I think a better comparison to Cantona would be Defour who Burnley fans loved.

I think you are working hard to criticise Burnley fans if you think we should laud a player who seems to have refused to play or at least whose reasons for not playing are a mystery to the owner of the club - if not to the player himself.

A bit unfair Crosspool that one...

[Foshiznik]

For all we know he may have had malaria then serious complications, meaning this weekend was the first time he was actually fit enough to have match sharpness.

This whole looked disinterested and lazy is ridiculous without context.

The only evidence we have of that are a couple of statements made by Alan Pace at the Q&A that explained nothing. Until we know the facts we should be supporting any player who pulls on the shirt, not making up stories based on assumptions and from trying to read between the lines of a lot about nothing.

[Quicknick]

For all we know he may have had malaria then serious complications, meaning this weekend was the first time he was actually fit enough to have match sharpness.

This whole looked disinterested and lazy is ridiculous without context.

The only evidence we have of that are a couple of statements made by Alan Pace at the Q&A that explained nothing. Until we know the facts we should be supporting any player who pulls on the shirt, not making up stories based on assumptions and from trying to read between the lines of a lot about nothing.

Good post. I'm in full agreement.

[California Colner]

It’s a strange situation
Just as Tresor was going to enter the pitch he gave Scott Parker big hug.
Maybe there is more going on the all of us no.
But I agree that he looks not interested at times
But when he’s on the ball he looks a world class
Very Strange

[agreenwood]

Parker has again reiterated this weekend that Tresor was ill for much of 2024.

Think we need to give him the benefit of the doubt in the absence of any other info.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

It’s a strange situation
Just as Tresor was going to enter the pitch he gave Scott Parker big hug.
Maybe there is more going on the all of us no.
But I agree that he looks not interested at times
But when he’s on the ball he looks a world class
Very Strange

Quite normal for talented players to look disinterested when not on the ball

[CrosspoolClarets]

I think a better comparison to Cantona would be Defour who Burnley fans loved.

I think you are working hard to criticise Burnley fans if you think we should laud a player who seems to have refused to play or at least whose reasons for not playing are a mystery to the owner of the club - if not to the player himself.

A bit unfair Crosspool that one...

Not sure it is unfair, I see Defour as being very different. He was certainly energetic after a while. Some players just don’t have that demeanour.

Anyway, wanted to point out a brilliant chat about Tresor on the Beehole podcast today. A lot of food for thought, one element moving towards something I have privately thought. That English football had an element of shock to him and maybe he has had a crisis of confidence as well as illness. I can imagine Kompany bollocking him for workrate day after day after day. The games he played were largely the top top sides, so all in all it may have been a culture shock with the intensity. He then gets ill, and mentally gives up on England and yearns for a move back to Dutch or Belgian leagues. That’s not 100% how the pod squad described it but the discussion pondered that kind of thing.

In other words, he can be a good guy well thought of with the squad, whilst also not fancying it and angling to get away after being unwell for a long period. None of us know but if he plays we should get behind him.

[summitclaret]

Promising?

https://www.burnleyexpress.net/sport/fo ... rn-4939950

[Stonehouse]

Positive comments on NewsNow quoting SP whose considering him being involved on Friday,

[NottsClaret]

Cantona and Defour comparisons? Just how good was this Reading cameo?

[bobinho]

If he’s fit enough to be brought on, he should be fit enough to track back and work on getting the ball back. If of course, that’s what his instructions are. We don’t know that. If him coming on was part of the process of getting him match fit, then fair enough - I bow to SP’s greater knowledge of the player, his attitude and what he’s been through (which incidentally and importantly, none of us are aware of).

Spoke to a lad at work who went, and who doesn’t come on here so he’s unaware of the comments I have just trawled through. I asked him about Mike… his response was “it’s a weird one, looked really good when he had the ball, but he watched opposition players drift past him when he didn’t, like he had no intention of getting involved”

I hope he works out. I hope whatever has been the issue is well behind him, and he becomes the game changer that some on here are adamant he is.

One thing I know for a FACT. A lack of ability will be forgiven here at Burnley….A lack of effort absolutely won’t. After ten minutes of laziness/disinterest in front of the longside, that will become apparent to Mike. I sincerely hope that doesn’t happen.

[Blyclaret]

Maybe Mike is one of those luxury players that feels he dosent have to track back. Can Burnley afford to have a player like this

[Goliath]

It's all well and good saying he's been ill but that's basically just putting your head in the sand.
He has been back training since September and there have been numerous implications from people at the club that he was fit to play but seemed to be refusing.

I'm sorry but I genuinely think if I went into full tlfirst team training for 3 or 4 months, I'd be able to play for longer than 10 miinites without looking like I was about to throw up.

I think the most likely explanation has been he wants to leave and therefore refuses to play in the reserves and refuses to do proper fitness training. It sounds like most managers would have banned him off but Parker, having seen his quality, is trying to slowly get him back on board with full support of the chairman.

[fatboy47]

Maybe Mike is one of those luxury players that feels he dosent have to track back. Can Burnley afford to have a player like this

Dunno...ask Glen Little.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Think I preferred it when he wasn't playing rather than some of the nonsense being written now.

[Jakubclaret]

To be fair, the fact that he actually played would have stood him in better stead than Tresor.

Quite a distinct difference that sets apart some of the silly comparisons that keep getting thrown up. Far too much pandering is going on in my view it's supposed to be a football club not some sort of a finishing school for the girl guides.

[Big Vinny K]

It's all well and good saying he's been ill but that's basically just putting your head in the sand.
He has been back training since September and there have been numerous implications from people at the club that he was fit to play but seemed to be refusing.

I'm sorry but I genuinely think if I went into full tlfirst team training for 3 or 4 months, I'd be able to play for longer than 10 miinites without looking like I was about to throw up.

I think the most likely explanation has been he wants to leave and therefore refuses to play in the reserves and refuses to do proper fitness training. It sounds like most managers would have banned him off but Parker, having seen his quality, is trying to slowly get him back on board with full support of the chairman.

Here we go - another guy sat in his kitchen eating donuts who thinks with a bit of training he could do better than a professional footballer.

You’d think with the comments on this board we could raise a full team that would walk this league - then next season comfortably qualify for champions league - and when better we get a full team paid for with a box of Krispy Cremes

[Clovius Boofus]

SP says he's been ill - so I'll stick with that rather than the bored-all-day bullshit merchants on here and elsewhere.

[daveisaclaret]

I guess we're memory holing Pace's comments at the meet and greet.

[MrTopTier]

Respectfully disagree.

I think there’s a fair to middling chance Tresor will be exactly where you last saw him.

Depends on whether they are playing hide and seek or not.

[GetIntoEm]

We don't need 10 players absolutely busting a gut all over the pitch and running themselves into a ground. I know Burnley fans love a runner (e.g. I MMM) but it's not the only indicator of a decent professional footballer

[Quickenthetempo]

Only Burnley fans would complain at a very talented winger who came on and changed the game in Burnleys favour, within 20 minutes we had scored 2 with him having an assist.

We have been watching the most boring side in history so far this season who can't score against some right dross.

Get some flair in the side, we have enough runners and water carriers.

If you want to watch runners, go and watch re runs of Linford Christie in all his glory.

[jlup1980]

We don't need 10 players absolutely busting a gut all over the pitch and running themselves into a ground. I know Burnley fans love a runner (e.g. I MMM) but it's not the only indicator of a decent professional footballer

Couldn't agree more.

Whether we like him or not, history suggests Magic Mike can create goals. As we know, his 24 assists in 2022/23 season was a Belgian Pro League record. He also scored 8, so 32 goal involvements in 39 league appearances, which is an astonishing return.

I suspect he didn't get those numbers by chasing lost causes and running his backside into the ground, and the fact is he shouldn't need to do that in the Championship. If he wants to play and help us over the line, he could be the difference between an automatic spot and the play-offs.

[NL Claret]

Can't imagine what the reaction of some UTC posters would have been had he not created the 2nd goal. Some posters are taking their dislike of the club, certain players and the manager to new levels.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Cantona and Defour comparisons? Just how good was this Reading cameo?

My original point on Cantona was that if we had him some of our muppets would still moan about workrate.

It’s a self defeating mentality, as Leeds United found out with their subsequent 30 year slump.

[CoolClaret]

Only Burnley fans would complain at a very talented winger who came on and changed the game in Burnleys favour, within 20 minutes we had scored 2 with him having an assist.

We have been watching the most boring side in history so far this season who can't score against some right dross.

Get some flair in the side, we have enough runners and water carriers.

If you want to watch runners, go and watch re runs of Linford Christie in all his glory.

I disagree with your second paragraph but wholeheartedly agree with your first. It is quite astonishing. There was a clear difference in our attacking threat upon his introduction.

[jrgbfc]

Unless he shows a willingness to do the basics i just don't see Parker trusting him in a league game, unless we're 3 nil up.

[Goliath]

Here we go - another guy sat in his kitchen eating donuts who thinks with a bit of training he could do better than a professional footballer.

You’d think with the comments on this board we could raise a full team that would walk this league - then next season comfortably qualify for champions league - and when better we get a full team paid for with a box of Krispy Cremes

Are you intentionally being a bit dim? At no point did I say I could do better than a professional footballer, on the contrary I think Tresor is a fantastic talent.

However his lack of fitness was really apparent, and as someone who has played a lot of football and still does. I know full well that 3 months of hard training usually gives you a pretty strong fitness Base. Tresor clearly hasn't reached that point and it's absolute fair to question why when he came back to training in September.

[NottsClaret]

My original point on Cantona was that if we had him some of our muppets would still moan about workrate.

It’s a self defeating mentality, as Leeds United found out with their subsequent 30 year slump.

I heard Cantona was the ultimate professional. Didn't exactly shirk the physical side either, just mad as a box of frogs.