Tresor

[JLR81]

Chris Waddle and Dimitar Berbatov looked a bit lazy when playing, with their languid style.
I'm not saying MT is at their level, but there's more to having an impact on the field than running full pelt for 90mins.
If Parker and the coaches think he can have a positive impact on the team, then we have to trust them - they know infinitely more about the player and the game than any of us.

[warksclaret]

THe one thing I noticed about him on Saturday, is that unlike all our wide players and full backs who are happy just to get crosses in, Tresor favours low crosses, infact more of a low pass into a danger area which led to Flemmings first and contributed to his second

[dansch]

When QPR got promoted with Colin he told Taarabt to never track back and just doing his thing. As mentioned earlier you can get away with it in this league if you have one player good enough, certainly not if we go up mind.

[Stalbansclaret]

When QPR got promoted with Colin he told Taarabt to never track back and just doing his thing. As mentioned earlier you can get away with it in this league if you have one player good enough, certainly not if we go up mind.

Maybe but Taatabt was a proven quantity. For all those on here who insist that Tresor is a player of real quality and a difference-maker he really has done precious little to prove it yet and it'll take a lot more than one decent pull-back pass to do so.

[Darnhill Claret]

Looks to me that Tresor needs runners around him to utilise space. If they do, Mike will put the ball into that space.
Chances are that SP asked Mike to stand wide right so that his teammates knew where to find him.
After that, things took care of themselves.
Nevertheless, watching Mike amble gently forward in a straight line after making the pass that contributed to the third goal, was both unusual and quite alarming.
I fully understand all comments, for and against.

[Big Vinny K]

Are you intentionally being a bit dim? At no point did I say I could do better than a professional footballer, on the contrary I think Tresor is a fantastic talent.

However his lack of fitness was really apparent, and as someone who has played a lot of football and still does. I know full well that 3 months of hard training usually gives you a pretty strong fitness Base. Tresor clearly hasn't reached that point and it's absolute fair to question why when he came back to training in September.

Me being dim ?
Says the guy who said be could “honestly” be fitter than him.

Firstly you have zero idea as to whether all of his training has been “hard training”. You have literally made up that assumption to suit your viewpoint.

Parker has already said that Tresor was ill throughout 2024. I know for a fact that what he had was a serious illness. Just because he came back to training in September does not mean he went straight into any hard training. In fact with the illness he had there is no way he would have done.

The story you want to believe is that he cannot be bothered, he doesn’t train hard enough and he has the fitness of a Sunday league footballer….

[IWOODLOVETT]

There were two other things that I noticed about MT on Saturday (apart from his speed of thought for the 2nd goal and the hug with his manager on introduction to the game).

1. He was heavily mobbed by his teammates for the assist. Much affection and genuine pleasure on display, so he is clearly a popular squad mate.

2. Scott Parker brought a fresh, adventurous and energetic Humpfries on to support Mike from a fullback position - when he started to fade.

These two minor details lead me to agree with the long-term illness and slow recovery theory ( alongside his teammates).

[The Shire Claret]

Think it has been stated numerous times that he's has injuries and was very ill

Appreciate also what Pace said at his Q and A

But as that saying goes - Don't let a good story get in the way of the truth

Hopefully he is the player he can be for us as that means we are much better for it .....

UTC

[Goliath]

Me being dim ?
Says the guy who said be could “honestly” be fitter than him.

Firstly you have zero idea as to whether all of his training has been “hard training”. You have literally made up that assumption to suit your viewpoint.

Parker has already said that Tresor was ill throughout 2024. I know for a fact that what he had was a serious illness. Just because he came back to training in September does not mean he went straight into any hard training. In fact with the illness he had there is no way he would have done.

The story you want to believe is that he cannot be bothered, he doesn’t train hard enough and he has the fitness of a Sunday league footballer….

None of that is accurate bar possibly the fitness of a Sunday league footballer. He was bent over double after 10 minutes which is pretty unusual for a professional footballer.

I haven't and I don't think anybody else has denied he had a serious illness, you've basically made that argument up yourself.
If he's genuinely struggling to get fit after nearly 4 months then the club really should say that, because throwing him out infront of the watching public with that level of fitness isn't a good look for him and if its due to the illness is actually a bit unfair.

Why not throw him into the reserves first like literally every other player Parker has dealt with after injury. The only likely explanation is that he has refused to play for the reserves. Don't forget the chairman also said he's fit about a month or 2 back.

I haven't said he can't be bothered either, that's another story you've made up in your own head. I think it's more likely a combination of reasons but I don't think it's doing anyone any favours the club being so secretive about it.

[ClaretTony]

Think it has been stated numerous times that he's has injuries and was very ill

Appreciate also what Pace said at his Q and A

But as that saying goes - Don't let a good story get in the way of the truth

Hopefully he is the player he can be for us as that means we are much better for it .....

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Given I'd been told about the illness, I was stunned with the comments from Pace.

[Goliath]

Given I'd been told about the illness, I was stunned with the comments from Pace.

It seems commonplace im recent times that Pace and Williams are both releasing more information than they should at some of these events.

But the one thing that doesn't make sense about the whole situation is the lack of reserve team action. No other player has gone straight back to first team football apart from Tresor and he was clearly a long way off being fit enough to do so.

If anything it might be an indicator of how highly Parker rates Tresor that he was willing to give him those minutes.

[CrosspoolClarets]

The player or manager is being given bad advice because a short in-house interview would do him a lot of good to get fans on his side. Not as though the medical truth won’t be well known already within football circles so it won’t affect any future transfer.

As I posted earlier, it is entirely plausible that it is all true - being ill, wanting to leave England, being popular with the squad, not feeling he is fit to play earlier in the season. I suspect if we ever heard the full truth we would sympathise more than criticise.

[yosserhughes]

Can we not just give the lad a chance.

[The Shire Claret]

It seems commonplace im recent times that Pace and Williams are both releasing more information than they should at some of these events.

But the one thing that doesn't make sense about the whole situation is the lack of reserve team action. No other player has gone straight back to first team football apart from Tresor and he was clearly a long way off being fit enough to do so.

If anything it might be an indicator of how highly Parker rates Tresor that he was willing to give him those minutes.

I think it also proves that people don't really have a clue as with football these days... injuries and info on the players are kept under wraps to protect them but the world we now live in is terrible for speculation

[IanMcL]

Well, as stated early on, I was impressed by his control, his short runs and his awareness. It looked to me like he had time to find a good pass and also, like the tennis pros, new when the ball was there to chase or not worth the run.

[dougcollins]

Parker has again reiterated this weekend that Tresor was ill for much of 2024.

Think we need to give him the benefit of the doubt in the absence of any other info.

The stuff the Chairman said wasn't particularly helpful then?

[Big Vinny K]

None of that is accurate bar possibly the fitness of a Sunday league footballer. He was bent over double after 10 minutes which is pretty unusual for a professional footballer.

I haven't and I don't think anybody else has denied he had a serious illness, you've basically made that argument up yourself.
If he's genuinely struggling to get fit after nearly 4 months then the club really should say that, because throwing him out infront of the watching public with that level of fitness isn't a good look for him and if its due to the illness is actually a bit unfair.

Why not throw him into the reserves first like literally every other player Parker has dealt with after injury. The only likely explanation is that he has refused to play for the reserves. Don't forget the chairman also said he's fit about a month or 2 back.

I haven't said he can't be bothered either, that's another story you've made up in your own head. I think it's more likely a combination of reasons but I don't think it's doing anyone any favours the club being so secretive about it.

Guess he didn’t throw him into the reserves because the team we started with was not far from a reserve side itself.…and it was against weaker opposition
Personally I’d say that was a more logical explanation than your “only likely” explanation that he refused to play for the reserves,

As for the chairman I would not trust a thing he says. For whatever reason when he’s at these events he seems to get a bit giddy and forgets he knows f all squared about football.

What I do know is that with the illness he had then it’s no surprise that he has struggled to regain fitness.

I’m not really sure why you are going down the road of making up your own theories when the manager only said last week that he was ill throughout 2024. Again I have no clue given this why you think he’s been training hard for 3 or 4 months and came out with that stupid comparison about yourself…..have you moved on from this rubbish now to another theory that he refused to play for the reserves ?

[Goliath]

The stuff the Chairman said wasn't particularly helpful then?

I think the clubs handling of it has been dreadful in general.
To be honest I don't think Parker has helped the situation either. He's incredibly introverted for a manager which has probably stopped him addressing it as directly as he should.
It's very rare that avoidance is the best strategy.

[equinox]

Regardless of hear say and conspiracy theories, Burnley Football Club is better off with this lad available for selection.

[Big Vinny K]

He's incredibly introverted for a manager which has probably stopped him addressing it as directly as he should.
It's very rare that avoidance is the best strategy.

Please stop…
You are sounding beyond weird

[Goliath]

Guess he didn’t throw him into the reserves because the team we started with was not far from a reserve side itself.…and it was against weaker opposition
Personally I’d say that was a more logical explanation than your “only likely” explanation that he refused to play for the reserves,

As for the chairman I would not trust a thing he says. For whatever reason when he’s at these events he seems to get a bit giddy and forgets he knows f all squared about football.

What I do know is that with the illness he had then it’s no surprise that he has struggled to regain fitness.

I’m not really sure why you are going down the road of making up your own theories when the manager only said last week that he was ill throughout 2024. Again I have no clue given this why you think he’s been training hard for 3 or 4 months and came out with that stupid comparison about yourself…..have you moved on from this rubbish now to another theory that he refused to play for the reserves ?

Oh come on. So you think by choice after a serious illness, Parker would just stick him into an FA cup tie ahead of giving him 45 minutes at least in the reserves. That's a more outlandish theory than mine by a long way.

The 3-4 months comes from Parker himself. He said Tresor was back training on the grass in September and suggested he would be back in consideration for selection soon after that. I don't think it's outlandish at all to suggest the likelihood is he refuses to play for the reserves. I hope to be wrong on that one but the evidence seems to suggest that to be the case

[Goliath]

Please stop…
You are sounding beyond weird

Thanks for the interesting debate, you sound incredibly intelligent.

[Jakubclaret]

Oh come on. So you think by choice after a serious illness, Parker would just stick him into an FA cup tie ahead of giving him 45 minutes at least in the reserves. That's a more outlandish theory than mine by a long way.

The 3-4 months comes from Parker himself. He said Tresor was back training on the grass in September and suggested he would be back in consideration for selection soon after that. I don't think it's outlandish at all to suggest the likelihood is he refuses to play for the reserves. I hope to be wrong on that one but the evidence seems to suggest that to be the case

It's some coincidence that earlier on he wasn't happy & outwardly expressed the desire to move & then suddenly after being struck with a mystery illness that's kept him out for god knows how long. Without being 100% sure I'd be more inclined to believe the illness is work of fiction & it's something more than sheer coincidence. I hope whatever (doubt illness) it was as resolved itself it really needs to for his sake & our chances of promotion.

[Big Vinny K]

Oh come on. So you think by choice after a serious illness, Parker would just stick him into an FA cup tie ahead of giving him 45 minutes at least in the reserves. That's a more outlandish theory than mine by a long way.

The 3-4 months comes from Parker himself. He said Tresor was back training on the grass in September and suggested he would be back in consideration for selection soon after that. I don't think it's outlandish at all to suggest the likelihood is he refuses to play for the reserves. I hope to be wrong on that one but the evidence seems to suggest that to be the case

No I don’t think that - I know that….because that’s what he actually did.

Stop making up your pathetic conspiracy theories. Already on this thread you have said :

1) the only likely reason he played on Saturday was because he refused to play in the reserves

2) that you would be fitter than Tresor if you had trained hard like he had for the last 3 or 4 months

3) that Parker is incredibly introvert and has avoided dealing with the issue directly with Tresor.

And you are questioning my intelligence ?

You make Walter Mitty sound like a straight up guy.

[CoolClaret]

FWIW, I've also heard that Tresor had a rough time. The absolute last thing he needs (if he starts making it back into the regular match-day squad) is some Neanderthal fans abusing and shouting made-up nonsense at him.

Not only is it incredibly dumb, it's hardly conducive to a good performance.

[Ightenhill_Claret]

Mentioned this on today's episode of From The Bee Hole End podcast but my working theory is prossibky that the physical obstacle may have become a mental obstacle for Tresor over the last few weeks.

We believe that we was incredibly poorly during the summer and that has taken a while to recover from physically. I just wonder if the ‘getting back out on the pitch in a game’ part of it was causing some issues mentally for Tresor.

I’ve not heard anything to that effect but he usually looks pretty happy on the training photos with teammates, has taken part in a number of club videos/visits/fashion shoots. I wonder if Saturday was him clearing a big hurdle after illness/the way he was perhaps treated last season.

Obviously remains to be seen but if that is the case - and we may never know - then it’s probably another case of very sound man management from Scott Parker. All of the what Parker has said is about managing him and his return to playing etc.

Like I said, just a theory but something that I’ve been pondering over the last few days.

[NottsClaret]

Worth remembering he wouldn’t have been too poorly to sign for Ajax if they had covered his wages.

[GetIntoEm]

Funny how ones criticising Tresor are same ones crying over Benson not getting games when he was fit.

[Blyclaret]

So the £1 million pound question. Does magic mike play any part in Sunderland game ?

[fidelcastro]

So the £1 million pound question. Does magic mike play any part in Sunderland game ?

If he's fit, then I don't see why he shouldn't be on the bench.

[Newcastleclaret93]

So the £1 million pound question. Does magic mike play any part in Sunderland game ?

Got to imagine he’s on the bench.

[123EasyasBFC]

Mentioned this on today's episode of From The Bee Hole End podcast but my working theory is prossibky that the physical obstacle may have become a mental obstacle for Tresor over the last few weeks.

We believe that we was incredibly poorly during the summer and that has taken a while to recover from physically. I just wonder if the ‘getting back out on the pitch in a game’ part of it was causing some issues mentally for Tresor.

I’ve not heard anything to that effect but he usually looks pretty happy on the training photos with teammates, has taken part in a number of club videos/visits/fashion shoots. I wonder if Saturday was him clearing a big hurdle after illness/the way he was perhaps treated last season.

Obviously remains to be seen but if that is the case - and we may never know - then it’s probably another case of very sound man management from Scott Parker. All of the what Parker has said is about managing him and his return to playing etc.

Like I said, just a theory but something that I’ve been pondering over the last few days.

I listened to your theory and it all would make sense but the way Alan pace spoke about the situation at the fan event didn’t help, instead of just saying yes he’s been extremely poorly. He said something on the lines of ‘I would like Mike to play but I can’t give you an answer if he will or not’

There is also the failed moves to nice and Ajax in the summer, you aren’t contemplating moving clubs or clubs aren’t buying you if you have a long illness

[Goliath]

No I don’t think that - I know that….because that’s what he actually did.

Stop making up your pathetic conspiracy theories. Already on this thread you have said :

1) the only likely reason he played on Saturday was because he refused to play in the reserves

2) that you would be fitter than Tresor if you had trained hard like he had for the last 3 or 4 months

3) that Parker is incredibly introvert and has avoided dealing with the issue directly with Tresor.

And you are questioning my intelligence ?

You make Walter Mitty sound like a straight up guy.

1) At no point have I said that. I actually said him playing is a good indicator that Parker rates him really highly if he's willing to play him without any reserve action beforehand. It seems more likely than not that he has refused to play in the reserves simply because he hasn't. Unless you think that's a Parker decision, which would be the opposite of what he has done with every other injured player.

2) You've said yourself he isn't fit and has been seriously unwell which we agree on. And yes I do think i could get to the level of fitness he showed on Saturday quite easily, It was a bit of a throw away comment but I play a lot of football so it wouldn't be a huge stretch. And before you twist my words again, no I wouldnt be anywhere near the level of Tresor ability wise quite obviously.

3) Parker is introverted, it's quite clear from his press conferences and he basically said as much when talking about not enjoying interacting with the crowd at the end of matches. I do think he has avoided the Tresor issue and let it fester.
Again, so you don't twist my words, I think Parker has done a fantastic job but on this specific issue I think it should have been dealt with head on a long time ago.

[Ightenhill_Claret]

Yeah agree re Pace’s comments being unhelpful. Parker has said a couple of times that he had a ‘real’ illness which I take to mean serious as opposed to he was ill and not faking it.

And on the moves to Ajax/Nice I do wonder whether he and others - because of the way things played out last season/individuals were treated - were suffering a little mentally in the summer and felt the only way out of that spiral was to leave. When the move didn’t materialise, mentally that had an effect on him.

Like I say, no evidence of any of the above but an alternative working theory based on the very tiny snippets we get out of Parker. I think the way he refers to Tresor - ‘Mikey’ - is perhaps a sign that they have a good relationship and if Parker can get him out of his funk and onto the pitch then chapeau to him.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I’m just hoping the bridges have been made and he feels at home.

He’s a difference maker. He could truly be the difference between promotion and not.

[warksclaret]

He'll be like a new signing

[Elizabeth]

Life has its ups and downs and everyone experiences those and I'm not sure this is being recognised by everyone, especially those who are putting labels on people like Tresor. I find those who refer to people suffering a little mentally ( I'm assuming that means psychologically) when they feel they may not be being treated fairly is not helping discussion. Sadly it's all too prevalent and 'popular' these days.

[Hapag Lloyd]

Funny how ones criticising Tresor are same ones crying over Benson not getting games when he was fit.

Are they, or have you just made that up.

[alwaysaclaret]

Life has its ups and downs and everyone experiences those and I'm not sure this is being recognised by everyone, especially those who are putting labels on people like Tresor. I find those who refer to people suffering a little mentally ( I'm assuming that means psychologically) when they feel they may not be being treated fairly is not helping discussion. Sadly it's all too prevalent and 'popular' these days.

Perhaps time for everyone to end the speculation and just see what happens, and maybe we'll be a bit wiser come Friday.

[Stonehouse]

Funny how ones criticising Tresor are same ones crying over Benson not getting games when he was fit.

Don’t see the link ,people criticised VK for not giving Benson a chance and I should image 80% of the fans will have criticised Tresor at sometime or other because rightly or wrongly fans have been kept in the dark unlike Foster where fans were told of his psychological problems and most were prepared to give him as much time as needed to return to fitness ( and I’m not saying for one minute that we should have been told anything at all about the reason for him being missing)

[dibraidio]

2. Scott Parker brought a fresh, adventurous and energetic Humpfries on to support Mike from a fullback position - when he started to fade.

Humphreys and Tresor both came on in the 87th minute according to the BBC. Presumably because Sonne and Koleosho were both tired. Not sure that Tresor was starting to fade.

Just watched the replay on Clarets+. It was strange to see him walking around as the others never stopped. He can clearly burst into a sprint when he has to but it doesn't look like he has any interest in tracking back. Is it possible that this outing was to show that he's back playing and ready for his move away? I don't really see him fitting in with the defending from the front framework that Parker has adopted.

[RVclaret]

Humphreys and Tresor both came on in the 87th minute according to the BBC. Presumably because Sonne and Koleosho were both tired. Not sure that Tresor was starting to fade.

Just watched the replay on Clarets+. It was strange to see him walking around as the others never stopped. He can clearly burst into a sprint when he has to but it doesn't look like he has any interest in tracking back. Is it possible that this outing was to show that he's back playing and ready for his move away? I don't really see him fitting in with the defending from the front framework that Parker has adopted.

It’s interesting because he came on at half time away at Fulham when we won there last season, changed the game (we got battered first half) with clever attacking movement and, on topic, tracked back a lot. So that makes you wonder, has he no interest in ever tracking back, like ever, or could there be a small chance it’s something else?

[Jakubclaret]

Chris Waddle and Dimitar Berbatov looked a bit lazy when playing, with their languid style.
I'm not saying MT is at their level, but there's more to having an impact on the field than running full pelt for 90mins.
If Parker and the coaches think he can have a positive impact on the team, then we have to trust them - they know infinitely more about the player and the game than any of us.

They have to do something anyway highlight his presence & exposure otherwise it's £18 mil down the swanny. Any responsible club would be looking to utilise him or recoup part back & slowly integrating him is a means of achieving that.

[ClaretPete001]

It’s interesting because he came on at half time away at Fulham when we won there last season, changed the game (we got battered first half) with clever attacking movement and, on topic, tracked back a lot. So that makes you wonder, has he no interest in ever tracking back, like ever, or could there be a small chance it’s something else?

Who knows? Equally. He was terrible against Chelsea. The manager will say what he said because he has to protect his players and no doubt Pace said what he said because he is the one who has to deal with the fall out if an expensive asset fails to perform.

The one thing I do know is that unless he Kung fu kicks someone he cannot be compared to Cantona.

He is clearly now fit and available for selection let’s see how he does. He has a pedigree that would suggest he can play in the Championship and so we are about to find out what kind of player he is because the manager likes width and Tresor should be able to deliver what Kolosheo isn’t yet able to do.Let’s wait and see.

[jdrobbo]

It’s interesting because he came on at half time away at Fulham when we won there last season, changed the game (we got battered first half) with clever attacking movement and, on topic, tracked back a lot. So that makes you wonder, has he no interest in ever tracking back, like ever, or could there be a small chance it’s something else?

I saw the Fulham game in the very same way.

[ClaretPete001]

I saw the Fulham game in the very same way.

My memory might be failing me but didn’t he start the next game and got subbed off after an hour?

[Walt]

I think it's as simple as accepting that's his style and he's a luxury player. If you're expecting him to cover as much ground as Anthony, or Koleosho as a wide player then you'll always be disappointed in him.

The parallel with Taarabt earlier in the thread is fairly accurate, undoubted technical excellence for this standard. Now, Parker is not going to adopt quite the same approach as Warnock, he'll expect some tactical awareness. At our current level then there's no doubt we have the abilities elsewhere to accommodate his 'lack of effort'. Should we go up and he's still here then unlikely we'll be able to, as we'll clearly be up against it more often.

[NL Claret]

Poor Mike, comes on with a cameo performance and has his hand in 2 goals that see us win then gets 5 pages of over analysis and conspiracy. Only on UTC, some are really raising their bar on here. Tresor certainly falls in the you will not receive any praise category. Looks like his future at Burnley will be over scrutinised.

I've feeling that some posters must be using AI to create their posts / replies.

[JarrowClaret]

I think it's as simple as accepting that's his style and he's a luxury player. If you're expecting him to cover as much ground as Anthony, or Koleosho as a wide player then you'll always be disappointed in him.

The parallel with Taarabt earlier in the thread is fairly accurate, undoubted technical excellence for this standard. Now, Parker is not going to adopt quite the same approach as Warnock, he'll expect some tactical awareness. At our current level then there's no doubt we have the abilities elsewhere to accommodate his 'lack of effort'. Should we go up and he's still here then unlikely we'll be able to, as we'll clearly be up against it more often.

I don’t believe it will be a lack of effort, last season when he played he put plenty of effort in he was just god awful at defending and was trying to be too cute when back there , I can see him harassing the back 4 and then Not venturing much into our half If he stays. I don’t see him as a starter against the likes of Leeds, Sunderland etc certainly not at the minute anyway, but he could come on for the last 20-30 mins and he may be the key to us unlocking the door of the low blocks we have struggled with all season.

[GetIntoEm]

Maybe the chairman's comments came from a place of love and support, he wanted him to recover and get better to be able to play before considering letting him go elsewhere.