Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Jan 18, 2025 1:58 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2025 1:53 pm
If defending is as easy as you say for a team that won't take risks, why don't teams who are struggling at both ends of the table follow our template for a period of time and get a few more points on the board, to ensure they give themselves a chance to either avoid relegation or a better chance of promotion?
You know the answer to this question.

Burnley have defenders that are Premier League quality and defending against the attackers in this league in a team that generally keeps at least 7 men goal side of the ball at all times is easy.

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Jan 18, 2025 1:59 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2025 1:53 pm
If defending is as easy as you say for a team that won't take risks, why don't teams who are struggling at both ends of the table follow our template for a period of time and get a few more points on the board, to ensure they give themselves a chance to either avoid relegation or a better chance of promotion?
Because not all teams have the players to implement such a system so sacrifice the defensive side & play to other strengths. It's all good & well following a template but you need the essential components to make it work. You could argue our team is lopsided with good defenders but naff attackers.

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:04 pm

cockneyclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2025 1:40 pm
We would be another Southampton.. I couldn't see us scoring more than 15 goals
We need a 15 goal a season striker but I don't have faith that he would get any chances to put away in this system.

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by Spijed » Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:08 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:04 pm
We need a 15 goal a season striker but I don't have faith that he would get any chances to put away in this system.
Even Chris Wood never scored that many for us, so unlikely we'd be able to get one.

How many teams in the PL have a striker that score that many in a season anyway?

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:13 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2025 1:48 pm
Crying out for some quality in final third.

Not sure we will get it this window
We simply have to bring players in

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by Murger » Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:30 pm

We could bring in anyone to try and make us more of an attacking threat, but Parker needs to tinker with the way he sets up. We are far too ponderous when in possession.
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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by jojomk1 » Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:43 pm

Murger wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:30 pm
We could bring in anyone to try and make us more of an attacking threat, but Parker needs to tinker with the way he sets up. We are far too ponderous when in possession.
But he won't
It's just what he is - boring and predictable

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by Hipper » Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:15 pm

willsclarets wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2025 1:30 pm
Something we don't seem to do, is use inside channels. Brownhill is just about the only player that does. Isidor did it brilliantly last night. We are flat in wide positions and the only option often is a pin perfect cross. You have to turn defences so they're running the other way. Very seldom to the opposition defence show the numbers on their backs. They can stay in a bank facing our attack.
Barnes is that sort of player. He was doing runs at Reading but rarely got noticed. He was a lot fitter then I expected and got a good 90 minutes. I know it was Reading but he impressed me and I was hoping to see twenty minutes or so of him replacing Flemming yesterday.
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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by Ampth7 » Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:18 pm

I think the style of play discussion is definitely worthy of note when considering our lack of goals scored. Alarmingly this is also mirrored by our equally low number of chances created each game and whilst the defence has been incredible, unfortunately we are fairly impotent in attack.

Personally, I do find us a tough watch most of the time and considering it’s meant to be an entertainment business, I do wish we would play at a much higher tempo and go for it a bit more! Credit to Parker overall, but it all feels as though his style of play is a bit too reserved and defensive for my liking.

Only my opinion, and I am hopeful we can start to see a bit more threat in attack over the coming months, but this may be tricky if we stick with this style of play, which we clearly will.
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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Jan 18, 2025 8:06 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2025 1:40 pm
Why bring in Barnes if your not going to play him?
As I read it, good for moral and great around the changing room.
Much as I like and admire AB lets not get carried away on the idea that he's going to score the goals we need

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:56 pm

Leeds now have 20 more goals than Burnley this season and are only 3 points clear, we would be absolutely clear in this league if we had a creative wingers and a proper number 9

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by jojomk1 » Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:06 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2025 8:06 pm
As I read it, good for moral and great around the changing room.
Much as I like and admire AB lets not get carried away on the idea that he's going to score the goals we need
I agree
A good comedian to have in the dressing room after another dull 0-0 home game
Worth every penny we are paying him

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by Spijed » Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:12 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:56 pm
Leeds now have 20 more goals than Burnley this season and are only 3 points clear, we would be absolutely clear in this league if we had a creative wingers and a proper number 9
It's also helpful when Leeds have a keeper who's rubbish

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:28 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:12 pm
It's also helpful when Leeds have a keeper who's rubbish
If you can out score teams then he can afford to be rubbish

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by warksclaret » Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:38 pm

You would think that when our squad has included Jay, Hountondji who would probably both struggle to get a game in the Championship, and more recently Barnes, who was not starting at Norwich, then you would have thought that by the 19th day of the transfer window we would have by now produced several stellar signings. May be a reflection of our finances or the Boards ambitions

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Post by ClaretLoup » Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:17 pm

Reportedly Burnley have made bids for Cannon and Whittaker. However as we know, other clubs are interested in them too.

My feeling is that they have brought Barnes in to try and get more out of Flemming and Foster as well as a back up in case they cannot get one of the above two or some other target over the line.?

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by warksclaret » Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:03 pm

ClaretLoup wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:17 pm
Reportedly Burnley have made bids for Cannon and Whittaker. However as we know, other clubs are interested in them too.

My feeling is that they have brought Barnes in to try and get more out of Flemming and Foster as well as a back up in case they cannot get one of the above two or some other target over the line.?
I find it sad that we have brought back a striker who was probably finished two years, if not longer and taking up a squad number, and unlikely to play a big part to mentor an international player who has been with us two and a half years, and Fleming who is a seasoned Championship player. Surely if thats the thinking you bring in a good attacking coach who can utilise his experience to get the best out of these two. Bearing in mind we have Jay in or around the squad to do the same thing

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by Wokingclaret » Sun Jan 19, 2025 5:29 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2025 8:06 pm
As I read it, good for moral and great around the changing room.
Much as I like and admire AB lets not get carried away on the idea that he's going to score the goals we need
He won't if he only gets seconds on the pitch

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Post by ChorltonCharlie » Mon Jan 20, 2025 7:52 am

One thing I’ve noticed is we never really appear to build up a head of steam, and I think there’s a reason for that. The players are coached to start every attack from the edge of our own box and even 6 yard box. Drawing the press is nothing new, but we seem to take it to its limits. We’re actually fairly good at that, and it’s no surprise that two of the best at it, (biggest culprits if the tactics aren’t working) are Egan Riley and Trafford, with their Guardiola background. What we’re not great at is the next bit of getting out and beating the press and creating good opportunities. We’re a Championship team, so I have no problem with that. Mistakes will happen; a poor pass or a dodgy touch. The issue for me is that’s 90% of the attacking game plan and it slows us down.

A couple of things that were noticeable for me on Friday night.

At one point in the second half for a minute or two we pushed Sunderland back. It looked like the pressure was building. Then we played a safe ball backwards, and then another. Within a few seconds we had CJ stood deep in his own half waiting for a Sunderland attacker to press him. In that passage of play the ball went out in our own half for our throw in. Ball back in play, again all around the edge of our own box trying to draw the press. Momentum was lost and it was our last spell of concerted pressure in the game. Our tactics simply aren’t assertive enough.

I also watched the difference between how Sunderland played out from the back. They were also comfortable on the ball. The key difference I noticed is their defenders didn’t wait for the press and without being remotely direct they just played through the lines. It’s quite a subtle difference between what appears to be Parker’s dogma that we must invite the press to get the other team to commit men forwards and the Sunderland approach of just having faster tempo which is more difficult to defend against. Parker’s approach can work, but it requires excellent technical payers across the pitch who can play 1 and 2 touch football and rarely make a bad touch or pass. It’s a huge ask at Championship level.
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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by Colburn_Claret » Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:59 am

ChorltonCharlie wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 7:52 am
One thing I’ve noticed is we never really appear to build up a head of steam, and I think there’s a reason for that. The players are coached to start every attack from the edge of our own box and even 6 yard box. Drawing the press is nothing new, but we seem to take it to its limits. We’re actually fairly good at that, and it’s no surprise that two of the best at it, (biggest culprits if the tactics aren’t working) are Egan Riley and Trafford, with their Guardiola background. What we’re not great at is the next bit of getting out and beating the press and creating good opportunities. We’re a Championship team, so I have no problem with that. Mistakes will happen; a poor pass or a dodgy touch. The issue for me is that’s 90% of the attacking game plan and it slows us down.

A couple of things that were noticeable for me on Friday night.

At one point in the second half for a minute or two we pushed Sunderland back. It looked like the pressure was building. Then we played a safe ball backwards, and then another. Within a few seconds we had CJ stood deep in his own half waiting for a Sunderland attacker to press him. In that passage of play the ball went out in our own half for our throw in. Ball back in play, again all around the edge of our own box trying to draw the press. Momentum was lost and it was our last spell of concerted pressure in the game. Our tactics simply aren’t assertive enough.

I also watched the difference between how Sunderland played out from the back. They were also comfortable on the ball. The key difference I noticed is their defenders didn’t wait for the press and without being remotely direct they just played through the lines. It’s quite a subtle difference between what appears to be Parker’s dogma that we must invite the press to get the other team to commit men forwards and the Sunderland approach of just having faster tempo which is more difficult to defend against. Parker’s approach can work, but it requires excellent technical payers across the pitch who can play 1 and 2 touch football and rarely make a bad touch or pass. It’s a huge ask at Championship level.
Parker is supposed to be a manager, you don't play a system if you don't have the 'technical ' players required to do it. The whole argument over thinks something that is very simple. You keep the ball out one end, and stick it in the net at the other.
Parker has the players hamstrung with the safety first attitude, that makes good players look average, and average players look downright poor.
We are blessed with an amazing back 4 and keeper. They'll still be excellent if we attacked teams. It's not only gutless, it's boring, and it also plays into the hands of the opposition. That isn't rocket science it's bleeding obvious.

Reading all these threads is just getting me more and more frustrated. Brownhill is ****, Flemming isn't a CF, Koleosho isn't the player he was, Foster needs to play on the wing, we need a new striker, we need new wingers.........What we need is a manager with a bit of bottle, that can impart that confidence to the players we already have, because the players we already have are more than good enough to walk this league. It's the manager that's the problem.
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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by ChorltonCharlie » Mon Jan 20, 2025 10:22 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:59 am
Reading all these threads is just getting me more and more frustrated. Brownhill is ****, Flemming isn't a CF, Koleosho isn't the player he was, Foster needs to play on the wing, we need a new striker, we need new wingers.........What we need is a manager with a bit of bottle, that can impart that confidence to the players we already have, because the players we already have are more than good enough to walk this league. It's the manager that's the problem.
In general I do agree with this paragraph. I don't like the players constantly getting criticised or the idea that they're not good enough. I think many teams at this level would snap their hands off for players like Flemming, Koleosho, Sarmiento, Anthony, Foster etc. I'm not sure from an attacking point of view we walk the league, but they're certainly capable of getting more goals. Our games are so tight that even 3 goals the 13 games we've failed to win would have seen a minimum increase of 5 points, and as many as 9. It's a really fine line.
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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by BigGaz » Mon Jan 20, 2025 12:31 pm

The problem with the statement "there's no problem as we're 2nd" is now laid bare as we're now 3rd. After the next couple of rounds of fixtures there's every chance we're in 4th as we are in 2nd. Do we wait till then to acknowledge there's a problem.

As others have pointed out, the rate at which were scoring doesn't extrapolate to an automatic promotion slot. the strategy whether by design or accident has us as keeping things extremely tight, and then bagging one of the one or two proper chances we create per match. Brilliant when it works, but frustrating when it doesn't, as has happened numerous times this season.

The best case that can happen is that we continue with this rigidity and we keep ourselves in games, and we might nick one to win it. That might turn out to be enough, but I'd say that's unlikely.

The worst case is that we start to ship goals as well, and then we really are in bother cause we do struggle scoring. It's all relative I suppose, as barring some sort of monumental collapse then the worst to happen will be us staying in the play off picture but if promotion is the goal we are leaving it to chance.

I am also more convinced it's not a personnel issue. Whoever has played up top, they've been isolated and struggling to get involved, and they have had few chances to feed off.

Whoever's been in behind the striker, the safe option is taken more often than not, we overplay things, don't shift the ball around quickly enough and there is an often a huge gap between them and the striker. It happens too frequently for that not to be an instruction
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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by dsr » Mon Jan 20, 2025 2:22 pm

ChorltonCharlie wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 10:22 am
In general I do agree with this paragraph. I don't like the players constantly getting criticised or the idea that they're not good enough. I think many teams at this level would snap their hands off for players like Flemming, Koleosho, Sarmiento, Anthony, Foster etc. I'm not sure from an attacking point of view we walk the league, but they're certainly capable of getting more goals. Our games are so tight that even 3 goals the 13 games we've failed to win would have seen a minimum increase of 5 points, and as many as 9. It's a really fine line.
Conversely, of course, without the two stupid penalties that Swansea and Plymouth kindly gave us, we would have been 4 points worse off.

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by HitchinClaret » Tue Jan 21, 2025 3:58 pm

I think we need to help out the players, it’s a joint effort. German side Magdeburg??? Had their fans use paper arrows to point out where the goal was to help their players. If I was tech savvy enough to put a linkup I would…but I am not, sorry.

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:42 pm

I know some fans will say ‘we are only 3 points away from top 2’ but when you look at the goals scored by Leeds sheff united and Sunderland it’s clear that our goalscoring will eventually cost us.

We have scored the least amount of goals out of any team in the top 12

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:53 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:42 pm
I know some fans will say ‘we are only 3 points away from top 2’ but when you look at the goals scored by Leeds sheff united and Sunderland it’s clear that our goalscoring will eventually cost us.

We have scored the least amount of goals out of any team in the top 12
Had this conversation tonight we seem to have become obsessed by the number of clean sheets we are keeping which will be pretty meaningless come May if we don’t sort out scoring some goals.

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by TsarBomba » Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:53 pm

Tomorrow is a must win due to having Leeds the game after.

Leeds is a big enough game as it is without a 5-6 point gap on them, which will really ramp up the pressure.

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by Hedontplayforyou » Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:56 pm

I think we all agree that now would be the perfect time for goals to start coming . Parker has to loosen the shackles slightly and let the lads fly

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Post by criminalclaret » Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:04 pm

TsarBomba wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:53 pm
Tomorrow is a must win due to having Leeds the game after.

Leeds is a big enough game as it is without a 5-6 point gap on them, which will really ramp up the pressure.
If we can't beat bottom of the league side then there are bigger problems to worry about come tomorrow 10pm
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Post by 123EasyasBFC » Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:04 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:53 pm
Had this conversation tonight we seem to have become obsessed by the number of clean sheets we are keeping which will be pretty meaningless come May if we don’t sort out scoring some goals.
Yeah the defensive record is a nice stat to have don’t get me wrong but sheff united scoring 40 and only conceded 18 and Leeds scoring 51 and only conceding 19 is still a great return at this stage of the season

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Post by TsarBomba » Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:08 pm

criminalclaret wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:04 pm
If we can't beat bottom of the league side then there are bigger problems to worry about come tomorrow 10pm
Yep, if we want automatic then there’s no excuse not to be beating a team rock bottom and 5 points adrift.

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by Murger » Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:10 pm

If we can’t beat Plymouth tomorrow, then questions need to be asked about our style of play.
3 points is a must.

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Post by ElectroClaret » Sat Feb 15, 2025 5:33 pm

Haven't seen anything to change my mind about this, we're drawing far too many, whilst Leeds
and the Blades aren't.

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by Vince Fontaine » Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:00 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:59 am
Parker is supposed to be a manager, you don't play a system if you don't have the 'technical ' players required to do it. The whole argument over thinks something that is very simple. You keep the ball out one end, and stick it in the net at the other.
Parker has the players hamstrung with the safety first attitude, that makes good players look average, and average players look downright poor.
We are blessed with an amazing back 4 and keeper. They'll still be excellent if we attacked teams. It's not only gutless, it's boring, and it also plays into the hands of the opposition. That isn't rocket science it's bleeding obvious.

Reading all these threads is just getting me more and more frustrated. Brownhill is ****, Flemming isn't a CF, Koleosho isn't the player he was, Foster needs to play on the wing, we need a new striker, we need new wingers.........What we need is a manager with a bit of bottle, that can impart that confidence to the players we already have, because the players we already have are more than good enough to walk this league. It's the manager that's the problem.

So now we are 5 points clear of 3rd place, level on points with Leeds unbeaten in 29 and the joint 5th top scorers in the league, we don’t seem to get this level of negativity towards our manager. Do some people still think the manager is a problem now?

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Post by Vince Fontaine » Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:20 pm

On the 15th February we had drawn 0-0 away at Preston, 9 matches ago,and were
5 points behind Sheffield Utd
4 points behind Leeds, who had a game in hand
3 points ahead of Sunderland, who had a game in hand
Joint 12th highest scorers in the league
Only unbeaten in 20 matches

There have been 27 points up for grabs in that time, 30 for Leeds and Sunderland. It puts our form in perspective.

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Post by Bosscat » Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:28 pm

Always fun revisiting these threads 🤣
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Post by claret wizard » Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:29 pm

All the bed wetters on one thread.
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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by fatboy47 » Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:39 pm

claret wizard wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:29 pm
All the bed wetters on one thread.
They still move amongst us....Edwards is now the reason we're doing so badly apparently.

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Post by Jakubs Tash » Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:40 pm

claret wizard wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:29 pm
All the bed wetters on one thread.
Posters like you are just as bad as ‘the bed wetters’.

Most people are suggesting we need more quality in the final third. We did. We signed Marcus Edwards and the rest is history.
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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by criminalclaret » Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:54 pm

Vince Fontaine wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:20 pm
On the 15th February we had drawn 0-0 away at Preston, 9 matches ago,and were
5 points behind Sheffield Utd
4 points behind Leeds, who had a game in hand
3 points ahead of Sunderland, who had a game in hand
Joint 12th highest scorers in the league
Only unbeaten in 20 matches

There have been 27 points up for grabs in that time, 30 for Leeds and Sunderland. It puts our form in perspective.

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You forgot equal record number of 0-0 draws from that list ;)

Not sure what the point is re-opening a thread from January telling people "look look, I told you so"

We have been much much more consistent since Jan (with the odd turgid result thrown in for good measure), Edwards and Anthony cause havoc up the pitch in a way that we just didn't have pre-Jan. Parker has learned and has grown, that is clear to see.

But it doesn't mean that the lack of goals havent and an out-and-out goalscorer haven't been an issue. Even if we get promoted /win the title, we cannot ignore those enormous amount of 0-0's and think we can get away with it next year in the PL.

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by Rowls » Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:55 pm

The lack of goals was a real issue. Here's some illustrative stats:

Before Edwards
Average goals per league game = 37/31 = 1.19
Scored nil = 11/31 = 35%

After Edwards
Average goals per league game = 20/11 = 1.81
Scored nil = 2/20 = 10%
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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by Rowls » Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:56 pm

We're still hardly awash with goals, but given how amazing our defence is we don't need to be.

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by dandeclaret » Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:59 pm

Rowls wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:56 pm
We're still hardly awash with goals, but given how amazing our defence is we don't need to be.
The division isn't awash with goals this season..... for whatever reason, it's a very low scoring division compared to the last 3 years or so.
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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by Bosscat » Mon Apr 14, 2025 3:12 pm

Rowls wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:56 pm
We're still hardly awash with goals, but given how amazing our defence is we don't need to be.
There are only 4 teams who have scored more than us.
Leeds are top scorers

Leeds 25 more
Cov 1 more
Boro 4 more and
Narch 6 more

Just goes to show how few goals there are this season
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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by claret wizard » Mon Apr 14, 2025 3:18 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:40 pm
Posters like you are just as bad as ‘the bed wetters’.

Most people are suggesting we need more quality in the final third. We did. We signed Marcus Edwards and the rest is history.
No we're not.

Ths thread isn't the worst but some of the vitriol and negativity on the board this season been awful. It needs to be called out and if that upsets a few people then so be it.
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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by criminalclaret » Mon Apr 14, 2025 3:24 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:59 pm
The division isn't awash with goals this season..... for whatever reason, it's a very low scoring division compared to the last 3 years or so.
I did some digging and you are correct. Mad that of the 2 of the current top 3 teams, goals scored this season would have been met by 11 teams in 22/23. Really has been low scoring, can't see Norwich or Boro hitting 70+ at this stage now. We had nearly 5 teams on 70 2 years ago.

This Season (so far)
1. 82, Leeds
2. 63, Norwich
3. 61, Boro
4. 58, Cov
5. 57, Sunderland, Blades, Burnley

22/23 Season
1. 87, Burnley
2. 84, Boro
3. 73, Blades
4. 70, Sunderland
5. 68, Swansea
6. 61, Luton
7. 60, Cov
8. 59, WBA
9. 57, Norwich, Watford, Millwall

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by Rowls » Mon Apr 14, 2025 3:25 pm

Another interesting stat attack:

Before Edwards
61 points from 31 games = 1.97 points per game

After Edwards
27 points from 11 games = 2.45 points per game

But here's where this stat gets really confusing/interesting...

League position before Edwards (as of 4th Feb) = 2nd
League position after Edwards (today) = 2nd

Basically, if we hadn't kicked on and started scoring goals we'd have been left behind. Standing still would have been going backwards.

Well done to Parker, Pace and Edwards for kicking on. Long may it continue.

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by Rowls » Mon Apr 14, 2025 3:26 pm

claret wizard wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 3:18 pm
No we're not.

Ths thread isn't the worst but some of the vitriol and negativity on the board this season been awful. It needs to be called out and if that upsets a few people then so be it.
It's all about telling the difference between unheralded negativity and pointing out a real problem.

The lack of goals was a real problem. It really hasn't been since Edwards started playing.

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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by aggi » Mon Apr 14, 2025 3:32 pm

Rowls wrote:
Mon Apr 14, 2025 3:25 pm
Another interesting stat attack:

Before Edwards
61 points from 31 games = 1.97 points per game

After Edwards
27 points from 11 games = 2.45 points per game

But here's where this stat gets really confusing/interesting...

League position before Edwards (as of 4th Feb) = 2nd
League position after Edwards (today) = 2nd

Basically, if we hadn't kicked on and started scoring goals we'd have been left behind. Standing still would have been going backwards.

Well done to Parker, Pace and Edwards for kicking on. Long may it continue.
Interestingly 42 games at 1.97 would have put us on 83 points so we'd have probably still been second, but on goal difference.
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Re: Our Lack of Goals is Killing Us Big Time

Post by distortiondave » Mon Apr 14, 2025 3:39 pm

Yeah, but if we'd had Edwards all season we'd be on over 100 points already according to Rowls' interesting stat attack.
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