Tresor

[Murger]

Not a great deal. Point still stands.

Not really. You said you’d rather have players who want to be here. The 1 who apparently doesn’t want to be here offered more than the 1 who does.

[taio]

Not really. You said you’d rather have players who want to be here. The 1 who apparently doesn’t want to be here offered more than the 1 who does.

No point still stands. I'd don't want to play a player who didn't want to be here. Seems Parker doesn't either.

[Murger]

I’d rather have a player who can produce.

[matttheclaret]

I’d rather have a player who can produce.

You need someone who's going to put the work in too though, I'm not sure Parker would trust him to do that

[Murger]

But as an attacking force at home, we are pants. At 0-0 with 15-20 mins to go, I’d rather bring Tresor on the Koleosho atm.

[matttheclaret]

But as an attacking force at home, we are pants. At 0-0 with 15-20 mins to go, I’d rather bring Tresor on the Koleosho atm.

Maybe. Although if we did score I'd be hoping we had a sub left so we cam take him off again

[expatclar3t]

Not a great deal. Point still stands.

Koleosho wants to be there … you happy with his perfornances though ?

[expatclar3t]

But as an attacking force at home, we are pants. At 0-0 with 15-20 mins to go, I’d rather bring Tresor on the Koleosho atm.

100%!

[taio]

Koleosho wants to be there … you happy with his perfornances though ?

Needs to improve. Young player though. Plenty of potential that I'd rather the club back than involving a player who doesn't want to be here. Not sure what playing Tresor would say to the other players that put the graft in.

[expatclar3t]

Needs to improve. Young player though. Plenty of potential that I'd rather the club back than involving a player who doesn't want to be here. Not sure what playing Tresor would say to the other players that put the graft in.

Not very much if he provides the cross/pass for a winning goal.. Koleosho needs taking out the limelight for a while.... like you said .. he’s young.. but totally devoid of any confidence.

[Murger]

Needs to improve. Young player though. Plenty of potential that I'd rather the club back than involving a player who doesn't want to be here. Not sure what playing Tresor would say to the other players that put the graft in.

It would say that if you produce, you play.

[taio]

Not very much if he provides the cross/pass for a winning goal.. Koleosho needs taking out the limelight for a while.... like you said .. he’s young.. but totally devoid of any confidence.

He's not starting much at the moment

[CrosspoolClarets]

Totally support Parker's decision to not include Tresor on Friday (and I was at Reading and saw first hand what he did in a short appearance-helping change the game). Sunderland were very strong opposition, and do you switch off Sarmiento and Koleosho by not including them even on the bench. Having seen Tresor start brightly but then tire quite quickly, had he been involved v Sunderland if may have taken him backwards in development. I think if Tresor is staying then Plymouth might be a better option to put him in the squad (which might involve leaving out Sonne) as Humphreys could cover at RB should Roberts get injured

The real question here is do we expect what was our bench to come on and grab an equaliser on 83 minutes if Sunderland had scored their penalty? Let’s ignore for a minute Koleosho and Sarmiento were already on at that point.

The reason he should have put Tresor on the bench, even if he leaves in 10 days time, is in case of emergencies where we need a chance from nothing against a packed defence.

As I said earlier, my concern is that Parker isn't brave enough to do that. Farke has a stopper on the bench if needed, as well as all the flair. Managers need both. Parker just wants to sign runners and stoppers it feels to me, with any creative player (like Shelvey) good at both.

[expatclar3t]

He's not starting much at the moment

He isn’t… but starting or coming off the bench.. either way, for months he’s been a wasted shirt!

[taio]

He isn’t… but starting or coming off the bench.. either way, for months he’s been a wasted shirt!

Tresor has more so.

[Murger]

Tresor has more so.

But in his brief cameo at Reading (crapper opposition, admittedly) he produced more than Koleosho has in months. And let’s not forget, Luca played a full game against the same crapper opposition and did nothing again.
We need to start putting teams to bed, not hope that Luca suddenly finds some form.

[taio]

But in his brief cameo at Reading (crapper opposition, admittedly) he produced more than Koleosho has in months. And let’s not forget, Luca played a full game against the same crapper opposition and did nothing again.
We need to start putting teams to bed, not hope that Luca suddenly finds some form.

I reckon Tresor would leave massive holes in the league based on his lack of fitness and commitment

[Murger]

I reckon Tresor would leave massive holes in the league based on his lack of fitness and commitment

At some point though, we need to be turning these draws into wins. Parker’s risk averse style of football will only get us so far.
Our tactics seem to be to bore everyone into submission.

[jojomk1]

At some point though, we need to be turning these draws into wins. Parker’s risk averse style of football will only get us so far.
Our tactics seem to be to bore everyone into submission.

Seems the only players bored into submission are our own squad

[expatclar3t]

I reckon Tresor would leave massive holes in the league based on his lack of fitness and commitment

Scenario for you .. we are at home .. 10 mins to go and Anthony gets injured . Tresor and Koleosho are on the bench. Who do you bring on.

[taio]

Scenario for you .. we are at home .. 10 mins to go and Anthony gets injured . Tresor and Koleosho are on the bench. Who do you bring on.

Not Tresor because I wouldn't have him in the squad

[expatclar3t]

Not Tresor because I wouldn't have him in the squad

That wasn’t the question. lol

[taio]

That wasn’t the question. lol

I don't think your point was unreasonable in that scenario - I can see where you're coming from on that score - but I don't think he deserves to be in the squad.

[expatclar3t]

I don't think your point was unreasonable in that scenario - I can see where you're coming from on that score - but I don't think he deserves to be in the squad.

It’s been mentioned earlier .. nobody knows the ins and outs of what’s gone on with Tresor. Personally, as a claret .. I want to win games.. if Tresor is leaving in Jan, and he can contribute to 5 or 6 points in the games till he goes, which could be crucial at the back end of the season, then for me, have him on the bench as an option!

[Bullabill]

Scenario for you .. we are at home .. 10 mins to go and Anthony gets injured . Tresor and Koleosho are on the bench. Who do you bring on.

It depends, - what's the score? 1 nil either way would alter my choice.

[willsclarets]

If Tresor shows the same appetite as others in the squad, he'll play or at least be on the bench. He's easily good enough on quality. But Parker can't find a place for him on the bench in the league with the whole squad knowing Tresor isn't ready to make the same sacrifices as they are. It would be suicide on Parker's part.

[JarrowClaret]

If Tresor shows the same appetite as others in the squad, he'll play or at least be on the bench. He's easily good enough on quality. But Parker can't find a place for him on the bench in the league with the whole squad knowing Tresor isn't ready to make the same sacrifices as they are. It would be suicide on Parker's part.

Not sure it would he seemed really popular amongst the squad against reading others going to celebrate with him after the goal he created for example. Gave Parker a cuddle when he went on seemed almost a at last type thing. I have no idea what is happening with him or will happen in the future but I suspect him not being on the bench against Sunderland was purely about not risking him too much to soon. With the way Sunderland press probably not the right game for him I would have him on the bench against Plymouth but maybe not against Leeds though as well.

[DCWat]

Not sure it would he seemed really popular amongst the squad against reading others going to celebrate with him after the goal he created for example. Gave Parker a cuddle when he went on seemed almost a at last type thing. I have no idea what is happening with him or will happen in the future but I suspect him not being on the bench against Sunderland was purely about not risking him too much to soon. With the way Sunderland press probably not the right game for him I would have him on the bench against Plymouth but maybe not against Leeds though as well.

On the flip side, you need a goal, he might just be worth bringing on from the bench.

I do get the previous comment, in terms of effort and willingness to track back, and why Parker may see that as a gamble he isn’t willing to take.

We’ve got to start doing something to be more effective at the other end though.

[Quicknick]

Off the bench, he could be a winner. Very skilfull.

[Quickenthetempo]

This side needs the quality Tresor could provide.

But I'm glad he didn't come on for the last 10 minutes against Sunderland. Imagine the abuse he would get if we conceded 2 pens and got totally outplayed for the last 10 at home, if he had just come on?

[JarrowClaret]

On the flip side, you need a goal, he might just be worth bringing on from the bench.

I do get the previous comment, in terms of effort and willingness to track back, and why Parker may see that as a gamble he isn’t willing to take.

We’ve got to start doing something to be more effective at the other end though.

I agree for what it is worth I would have had him on the bench against Sunderland instead of Pires. With the way the second half went probably wouldn’t have used him but better to have his creativity as an option than not.

[Silkyskills1]

This side needs the quality Tresor could provide.

But I'm glad he didn't come on for the last 10 minutes against Sunderland. Imagine the abuse he would get if we conceded 2 pens and got totally outplayed for the last 10 at home, if he had just come on?

Somewhat contradictory. You say he has quality to change a game but wouldn't want to see him in the closing stages of a game at 0-0 where the opposition are in control. Can I ask please when would you like to see him enter the fray then to turn a game in our favour?

[Quickenthetempo]

Somewhat contradictory. You say he has quality to change a game but wouldn't want to see him in the closing stages of a game at 0-0 where the opposition are in control. Can I ask please when would you like to see him enter the fray then to turn a game in our favour?

I would have him on the pitch for as long as he was fit enough, certainly the last 20 minutes.

I said I was glad he wasn't on the pitch when the team played poor, he would have gotten the blame and received pelters.

[Anonymous Claret]

I think that he would be ideal in games where we have a lot of possession and need to break down teams who defend very deep. If we need to defend a lead or are under pressure I would keep him on the bench.

He was outstanding in his brief cameo against Reading offensively. However as several posters who were at the game have commented when we didn't have the ball he didn't look interested and seemed to lack effort. This may just be a fitness issue and as he plays more games this may be an aspect of his game that he improves. Alternatively it may also just be the way that he is all the time and we may have to sacrifice some of our defensive rigidity by including Tresor to create better goal scoring opportunities.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

I think that he would be ideal in games where we have a lot of possession and need to break down teams who defend very deep. If we need to defend a lead or are under pressure I would keep him on the bench.

He was outstanding in his brief cameo against Reading offensively. However as several posters who were at the game have commented when we didn't have the ball he didn't look interested and seemed to lack effort. This may just be a fitness issue and as he plays more games this may be an aspect of his game that he improves. Alternatively it may also just be the way that he is all the time and we may have to sacrifice some of our defensive rigidity by including Tresor to create better goal scoring opportunities.

Makes more sense to reintegrate him into the team than spending £12m on another left winger.

He made those assists look really easy against Reading.

Maybe he's sulking as Kompany has left and he doesn't like the style of football we are playing.

The defence is sorted time to work out a better way to attack. Tresor could be part of that .

[NewClaret]

He was outstanding in his brief cameo against Reading offensively. However as several posters who were at the game have commented when we didn't have the ball he didn't look interested and seemed to lack effort. This may just be a fitness issue and as he plays more games this may be an aspect of his game that he improves. Alternatively it may also just be the way that he is all the time and we may have to sacrifice some of our defensive rigidity by including Tresor to create better goal scoring opportunities.

Bar the little sprint to save the ball going out of play he looked positively as though he was trying to get subbed off again to me. It was no surprise at all that he wasn’t selected for Sunderland and can’t see that changing for Plymouth.

[TsarBomba]

I think that he would be ideal in games where we have a lot of possession and need to break down teams who defend very deep. If we need to defend a lead or are under pressure I would keep him on the bench.

He was outstanding in his brief cameo against Reading offensively. However as several posters who were at the game have commented when we didn't have the ball he didn't look interested and seemed to lack effort. This may just be a fitness issue and as he plays more games this may be an aspect of his game that he improves. Alternatively it may also just be the way that he is all the time and we may have to sacrifice some of our defensive rigidity by including Tresor to create better goal scoring opportunities.

And what message does it give to the other players that we pick a player in the first 11/matchday squad that is given a pass doing the hard stuff. You don’t generate team ethos in that way.

We now have a squad that wants to do the ugly stuff and takes pride in it, like a Dyche team did. And we’re happy to put that in jeopardy by playing someone that can’t be bothered? Not for me.

You didn’t see Messi, and that great Barcelona team under Pep stroll around when they lost the ball. They worked their ******** off to get it back again.

You earn the right to play, and Tresor hasn’t remotely earned that right.

[Vegas Claret]

Does anyone really believe Tresor wants to play for us ? I don't.

[Quicknick]

Does anyone really believe Tresor wants to play for us ? I don't.

I have no idea, Vegas.

[willsclarets]

Although we don't know everything, we do know he wanted a loan move in the last window. We know he hasn't featured in the U21s despite others doing so to get fit after injury. And Parker left him out of the league squad. So while we don't know for sure, it seems probable he'd rather play his football elsewhere

[agreenwood]

Some of our fans are unhealthily obsessed with Tresor’s situation. There’s a guy over on Twitter creating videos of players/Parker beating him up.

[Guppyspotter]

With 10 minutes to go would I bring on Tresor or Koleosho? Koleosho, Tresor couldn't manage such a long stint.

[CJ_Claret]

Tresor is simply a luxury player, and from what we have seen throughout football, is that these types of players drift in and out of games, don't offer much defensively and need bodies around them that will do the hard graft so they don't have to, but have the ability to create something out of nothing and change the outcome of games.

Not too sure why many are on his back as no one knows exactly whats gone on behind the scenes and its always dangerous to listen to so called inside sources and Chinese whispers.

As a few have already mentioned, I don't think Tresor especially fits in to a Parker team playing the better teams in the league just yet, but that's not to say he won't if he remains at the club.

I think a game like the Sunderland and the upcoming Leeds game, where there is a lot riding on the results are not ones where Tresor will be utilised, however games like tonight, Portsmouth and Cardiff could be a great opportunity to see if hes up for it.

[beddie]

Has he gone yet?

[dsr]

The real question here is do we expect what was our bench to come on and grab an equaliser on 83 minutes if Sunderland had scored their penalty? Let’s ignore for a minute Koleosho and Sarmiento were already on at that point.

The reason he should have put Tresor on the bench, even if he leaves in 10 days time, is in case of emergencies where we need a chance from nothing against a packed defence.

As I said earlier, my concern is that Parker isn't brave enough to do that. Farke has a stopper on the bench if needed, as well as all the flair. Managers need both. Parker just wants to sign runners and stoppers it feels to me, with any creative player (like Shelvey) good at both.

The answer might be, a centre forward. Against Reading, we had Flemming, Rodriguez and Foster on the field with Tresor. It gives more options.

Apart from when we went behind against Hull, we've scarcely played with two men up front. I know Parker doesn't necessarily agree, but when we're looking for goals, we need goalscorers on the pitch - this makes it easier for the goal creators to find a goalscorer to pass to.

[dsr]

I think a game like the Sunderland and the upcoming Leeds game, where there is a lot riding on the results are not ones where Tresor will be utilised, however games like tonight, Portsmouth and Cardiff could be a great opportunity to see if hes up for it.

But these are the games we have to win. It appears that Parker is happy with 0-0 at home (and Tresor is not the man for grinding out a 0-0), so we have to win the away games. It's not the time for experiments.

[NottsClaret]

Anyone who has watched the (admittedly paltry) amount of football Trev's played for us, and has also seen the way Parker approaches football should not be wasting their lives wondering why he'll never, ever start a game here.

Why are we still pretending it's some unfathomable mystery?

[CJ_Claret]

But these are the games we have to win. It appears that Parker is happy with 0-0 at home (and Tresor is not the man for grinding out a 0-0), so we have to win the away games. It's not the time for experiments.

No it's not time for experiments but I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that when we're playing the sides near the bottom of the league, who have shown their tactics to be sit in, park the bus and let Burnley break us down. These could be the games where something that little bit different is needed in the later 3rd of the game, if our plan A is unsuccessful in breaking the defence down.

I'm not suggesting he starts the game and we have a free for all because Plymouth are c**p, football doesn't work like that, I'm just suggesting there is a strong argument for why we won't see Tresor in the games with strong opposition now, where as the teams around the bottom we could use the ability to pick a pass or play a ball like he did at Reading, where he offered more in his cameo appearance then some of the other players starting offered all match

[dsr]

No it's not time for experiments but I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that when we're playing the sides near the bottom of the league, who have shown their tactics to be sit in, park the bus and let Burnley break us down. These could be the games where something that little bit different is needed in the later 3rd of the game, if our plan A is unsuccessful in breaking the defence down.

I'm not suggesting he starts the game and we have a free for all because Plymouth are c**p, football doesn't work like that, I'm just suggesting there is a strong argument for why we won't see Tresor in the games with strong opposition now, where as the teams around the bottom we could use the ability to pick a pass or play a ball like he did at Reading, where he offered more in his cameo appearance then some of the other players starting offered all match

I don't disagree. But it isn't going to happen, because Parker does not make attacking substitions when it's 0-0. If plan A does not win the game, plan B is to draw it, not to find an alternative way of winning.

[TPClaret]

I don't disagree. But it isn't going to happen, because Parker does not make attacking substitions when it's 0-0. If plan A does not win the game, plan B is to draw it, not to find an alternative way of winning.

You forgot about the recent cup game!