Todays games 19/01

[ElectroClaret]

City winning at Ipswich

[ElectroClaret]

0-2 Citeh

[chekhov]

0-3. Depressing normality resumed from Man city. Hopefully it’s only temporary.

[Vegas Claret]

Other than the money there aren't many positives to getting promoted to the PL

[GetIntoEm]

Muric dropped as well. Be sulking

[Conroysleftfoot]

Turning into a bit of a spanking.

[ksrclaret]

Other than the money there aren't many positives to getting promoted to the PL

It's a miserable experience these days. Teams going up now spend in excess of £100m on players and still don't get a kick most weeks. It's run away with itself now.

[Stayingup]

Other than the money there aren't many positives to getting promoted to the PL

Well yes. BUT I suppose clubs aspire to emulate Bournemouth, Brentford and now Forest.

[Conroysleftfoot]

Could be double figures if Ipswich keep giving the ball away.

[Stonehouse]

Cities fans being smug and thinking that football was invented at the end of the last century ,we need to go a long way before we’re anywhere near competing with Bournemouth and Brentford.

[jrgbfc]

Tend to agree, its hard to get excited about another season getting walloped every weekend.

[warksclaret]

Muric dropped as well. Be sulking
Be interesting to see if Muric is recalled next game
Both keepers not good enough for the PL

[Barlickclaret]

Cities fans being smug and thinking that football was invented at the end of the last century ,we need to go a long way before we’re anywhere near competing with Bournemouth and Brentford.

We did get in Europe. Don't remember Brentford or Bournemouth being in.

[GetIntoEm]

Tend to agree, its hard to get excited about another season getting walloped every weekend.

We never get walloped this season and people still don't get excited

[Stayingup]

We never get walloped this season and people still don't get excited

We certainly did and could well have even done better until the then board decided to starve Dyche of funds.

[Vegas Claret]

Anyone that thinks the Premier League now is the same as the Premier League a few years ago isn't paying attention

[ElectroClaret]

Six.

[Dyched]

The PL hasn’t changed at all. Some teams get so wrapped up in playing in a certain in trend way that they forget the absolute basics of football.

It may of been some years back but our 7th place finish was a prime example. There’s always teams like that each and every season.

You need 11 players that’ll give you a 7 out of 10 each week. Like an Arfield, Boyd over maybe an 8/9 out of 10 you get from a young kid with “potential” every 10 games and the rest 3s and 4s out of 10 in between.

[Taffy on the wing]

Grealish on as a sub again.......what a waste of a terrific talent.

[Stonehouse]

Muric’s probably glad he wasn’t playing

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[Vegas Claret]

The PL hasn’t changed at all.

Yeah clearly, I remember the days a few years ago when Bournemouth and Brighton were spending 30-40 million pounds on individual players. The PL has changed absolutely massively

[CoolClaret]

Yeah clearly, I remember the days a few years ago when Bournemouth and Brighton were spending 30-40 million pounds on individual players. The PL has changed absolutely massively

But teams that were in their respective positions were spending those sort of fees (relative to inflation).

There's players that we had in our team on the wrong side of 30 that are still top performers for different sides in the PL.

Southampton look far better now than they did under RM - going man for man more and really going at the opposition.

It is a hard gap of course but you need battlers and you need to make it hard for teams. Spending big on the team's spine is still where you'll have the most success, imo.

[Dyched]

Yeah clearly, I remember the days a few years ago when Bournemouth and Brighton were spending 30-40 million pounds on individual players. The PL has changed absolutely massively

Thats kind of my point. Those £30m signings are normally for young players with”potential”.

Forest bought Wood for half a million more than what we spent on him.

[exilecanada]

Other than the money there aren't many positives to getting promoted to the PL

Totally agree, gaining promotion is little more than an exercise in futility. The quicker the big boys bugger off and start the 'super league' the better off we'll be as far as competition is concerned.

[Vegas Claret]

But teams that were in their respective positions were spending those sort of fees (relative to inflation).

There's players that we had in our team on the wrong side of 30 that are still top performers for different sides in the PL.

Southampton look far better now than they did under RM - going man for man more and really going at the opposition.

It is a hard gap of course but you need battlers and you need to make it hard for teams. Spending big on the team's spine is still where you'll have the most success, imo.

and how do you spend enough to get the quality in especially with the PSR numbers being much smaller for teams that have been in the championship ? It's looking likely that once again the 3 promoted teams are going to come down (I expect Wolves to get more wins than the others) and that is a massive problem for the pyramid. How much money would a team have to spend to stand a really good chance of staying up ? I think Ipswich have spent north of 130 million now and are struggling to get wins, similar for Saints and I think Leicester aren't far behind. If they go up Leeds might want to spend a fortune because their owners have loads of money and they will be able to attract serious quality but again PSR might scupper it. It's a complete mess.

[Stayingup]

I'm sure he's a nice lad deep down

Thick. That's what.

[CoolClaret]

and how do you spend enough to get the quality in especially with the PSR numbers being much smaller for teams that have been in the championship ? It's looking likely that once again the 3 promoted teams are going to come down (I expect Wolves to get more wins than the others) and that is a massive problem for the pyramid. How much money would a team have to spend to stand a really good chance of staying up ? I think Ipswich have spent north of 130 million now and are struggling to get wins, similar for Saints and I think Leicester aren't far behind. If they go up Leeds might want to spend a fortune because their owners have loads of money and they will be able to attract serious quality but again PSR might scupper it. It's a complete mess.

It depends on the approach you're going to go with, younger players that may retain/increase their value or some more experience on higher wages - I do agree that it's a complete mess btw.

For me, it's essential to have experience in the spine of the pitch, particularly in the midfield position.

Look at what players like Cambiasso, Defour and Barkley did for their respective teams.

I think Luton had a really sensible approach, as was ours in 2016.

Ipswich have spent a hell of a lot of money, as you say, but was it smart? A lot of outlay for some average players (Delap aside).... Pick your poison I guess.

[Vegas Claret]

It depends on the approach you're going to go with, younger players that may retain/increase their value or some more experience on higher wages - I do agree that it's a complete mess btw.

For me, it's essential to have experience in the spine of the pitch, particularly in the midfield position.

Look at what players like Cambiasso, Defour and Barkley did for their respective teams.

I think Luton had a really sensible approach, as was ours in 2016.

Ipswich have spent a hell of a lot of money, as you say, but was it smart? A lot of outlay for some average players (Delap aside).... Pick your poison I guess.

I think Ipswich are to a degree making the same mistakes we did in terms of lack of experience, however if they drop I would imagine they would only lose a couple of players - they would be incredibly strong in the Championship because the gap is now at a ludicrous level - had we kept even 4 of the better players who left I think we would be 10+ points clear by now. That's all assuming McKenna doesn't get the Real Madrid job

[CoolClaret]

I think Ipswich are to a degree making the same mistakes we did in terms of lack of experience, however if they drop I would imagine they would only lose a couple of players - they would be incredibly strong in the Championship because the gap is now at a ludicrous level - had we kept even 4 of the better players who left I think we would be 10+ points clear by now. That's all assuming McKenna doesn't get the Real Madrid job

Yep. I was having this conversation earlier with someone - what's the right approach now for us? Signing top champ players that are likely to stay with you after a relegation like a Brownhill, Cullen type profile and just hope that one season if we are to go up we can add a few pieces and have enough to stay up?

What we can't do is have the turnover that we've had over the past three years - that approach can go really, really wrong, we've gotten away with it there IMO and for that SP (just as VK in 22-23 summer) should be commended.

That's all assuming McKenna doesn't get the Real Madrid job

[Vegas Claret]

Yep. I was having this conversation earlier with someone - what's the right approach now for us? Signing top champ players that are likely to stay with you after a relegation like a Brownhill, Cullen type profile and just hope that one season if we are to go up we can add a few pieces and have enough to stay up?

What we can't do is have the turnover that we've had over the past three years - that approach can go really, really wrong, we've gotten away with it there IMO and for that SP (just as VK in 22-23 summer) should be commended.

I'd much rather us sign some of the younger top players in the Championship with a few from abroad than the likes of Robson (if that's even a real link) - we already have more than enough experience in our team, we lack real difference makers in the forward areas. Problem is that will cost a fortune and I doubt we can afford it. Scouting must be a nightmare to be fair, anytime I've seen Whittaker (only a handful of times) I've never been that impressed and then he goes and scores a great goal at Brentford, at 10+ million he is a massive risk. I feel like I'm damning them if they do or don't sign him, tough job for sure. I think if we don't go up though it will get massively more difficult next season.

[Commy]

I think the idea is to come down and strengthen more then, hopefully, get promoted and stay up. Bournemouth have found some gems. Kluivert was 12.5m euros including the add ons, £10m for Semenyo and I doubt they paid a massive amount for Kerkez. They paid about £40m for the forward but had the money from sales. We seem to have gone back to looking for older players to try to get us over the line.

[NewClaret]

Ipswich fans mainly stayed to clap them off despite getting battered 6-0.

Good show of support and exactly what they’ll need if they’re to have a chance to stay up.

[Stonehouse]

I think Ipswich are to a degree making the same mistakes we did in terms of lack of experience, however if they drop I would imagine they would only lose a couple of players - they would be incredibly strong in the Championship because the gap is now at a ludicrous level - had we kept even 4 of the better players who left I think we would be 10+ points clear by now. That's all assuming McKenna doesn't get the Real Madrid job

If they drop they’ll lose the 2 glory hunters who left us for a start.

[Stonehouse]

I think the idea is to come down and strengthen more then, hopefully, get promoted and stay up. Bournemouth have found some gems. Kluivert was 12.5m euros including the add ons, £10m for Semenyo and I doubt they paid a massive amount for Kerkez. They paid about £40m for the forward but had the money from sales. We seem to have gone back to looking for older players to try to get us over the line.

Might not be possible but ideally we need players to sign contracts for 3 years if we go up and have to honour them if we get relegated,we can’t afford to be building new squads every year.

[Vegas Claret]

If they drop they’ll lose the 2 glory hunters who left us for a start.

define loss !

[Shaggy]

Thick. That's what.

Some
you lot are hilarious. If I was to take a bet on it my level of education and intelligence are a lot higher than most on here. I have a different view from some. So what. Clearly that’s your problem not mine.

[Targetman]

Some
you lot are hilarious. If I was to take a bet on it my level of education and intelligence are a lot higher than most on here. I have a different view from some. So what. Clearly that’s your problem not mine.

It would seem that your level of intelligence isn't high enough for you to realise that other posters on this message board regard you as the resident site comedian!

[Shaggy]

It would seem that your level of intelligence isn't high enough for you to realise that other posters on this message board regard you as the resident site comedian!

I don’t particularly care what some posters on this board think. They live a mediocre life in a 9-5 grind and achieve mediocrity. Some are retired having lived a mediocre life.

A lot of the posters on here are utter sheep and like to follow others.

Being in the comfort zone doesn’t get results.. look at the amount of 0-0s we’ve had this season. Unless we open up a bit and take some risks we are going to settle for a grind which may not be enough to get us over the line.

[Goliath]

I don’t particularly care what some posters on this board think. They live a mediocre life in a 9-5 grind and achieve mediocrity. Some are retired having lived a mediocre life.

A lot of the posters on here are utter sheep and like to follow others.

Being in the comfort zone doesn’t get results.. look at the amount of 0-0s we’ve had this season. Unless we open up a bit and take some risks we are going to settle for a grind which may not be enough to get us over the line.

You might be right but it doesn't stop you sounding like am absolutely massive pillock. You've been watching too much Andrew Tate.