53 Years for the Southport Murderer

[ŽižkovClaret]

Given you can't currently sentence someone u18 at the time of offending to whole life orders, it's about the most the judge could do.

Quite right too

[Milltown1882]

And the coward kicked up enough of a fuss so he wouldn't have to face the sentencing in person. Hope he rots.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Hopefully the other prisoners will be able to get their hands on him for much of that time

[ŽižkovClaret]

I wouldnt be surprised to see a change in legislation to remove said restriction, although if it wasnt changed for the Bulger murderers, who knows.

[gandhisflipflop]

It must be extremely difficult for a prison officer to carry out his duties in protecting **** like this. I know I’d find it difficult not to leave a door open.

[CoolClaret]

Hopefully the other prisoners will be able to get their hands on him for much of that time

I'm hoping that he's greeted with the sugar & boiling water combo.

[jrgbfc]

And us taxpayers will have to fund it.

[ŽižkovClaret]

It must be extremely difficult for a prison officer to carry out his duties in protecting **** like this. I know I’d find it difficult not to leave a door open.

I wouldnt want to give him an easy way out. Let him stew

[NottsClaret]

Hopefully he ends up in Wakefield Prison.

[boatshed bill]

Why do some people expect convicted criminals to dish out punishment on behalf of the public?

[Vintage Claret]

And the coward kicked up enough of a fuss so he wouldn't have to face the sentencing in person. Hope he rots.

They should have dragged the worthless piece of sh*t in to court by his b*llocks if he wouldn't come voluntarily

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Why do some people expect convicted criminals to dish out punishment on behalf of the public?

Personally I don't expect it, but I live in hope.

[morninbob]

I hope he suffers as much as the little girls who he slaughtered.

[RVclaret]

Absolutely sickened and saddened reading through the victim impact statement and details of what happened that day. I’m so sorry to the girls and families who have been let down by the state, and by this evil, twisted excuse of a ‘human’. I can’t put into words what I hope happens to him from here.

[louieollie]

Death penalty should be brought back for absolute **** like this vermin !!!!!..........before the "do gooders" jump in have a think if one of those little innocent girls had been one of your daughters!

[BigGaz]

A death penalty would be exactly what thjs cowardly **** would want. Immediate absolution and a way to avoid living with the consequences of what he's done.

He's staring down the barrel of being bored in a 4x2sqm box for the rest of his life, plain meals, little exercise, unable to communicate with anyone other than a few designated people because he's going to be getting filled in by anyone that gets their hands on him. He won't know the love or touch of a woman, never have children, experience anything life has to offer.

One day in the future the horror he's inflicted on others will hit him like a barge pole, and for people who haven't committed disgusting atrocities that is the point where you can begin to accept what you've done, heal and begin taking steps to rehabilitate yourself. That door is literally forever closed to him. Goodness knows the despair that must make a man feel, but hopefully it's a lot more than the despair he's inflicted on those families.

**** have some of that. That's far better than a cowards way out imo. A lifetime of misery.

[Tricky Trevor]

Death penalty should be brought back for absolute **** like this vermin !!!!!..........before the "do gooders" jump in have a think if one of those little innocent girls had been one of your daughters!

Spot on. Some vermin don’t deserve to live amongst us. When they are caught in the act it should be execution. As it should have been for the murderers of Lee Rigby.

[ElectroClaret]

Stabbed one of the kids over 100 times. (BBC)
Should have strung the ******* up on the pavement
outside the court.

[taio]

Death penalty should be brought back for absolute **** like this vermin !!!!!..........before the "do gooders" jump in have a think if one of those little innocent girls had been one of your daughters!

Totally agree. I'm usually against the death penalty, but would support it in this instance. I hope he goes through hell serving his sentence.

[Murger]

This piece of **** should swing.

[taio]

Why do some people expect convicted criminals to dish out punishment on behalf of the public?

Because it's likely to happen. Hopefully anyway.

[IPAclaret]

Yet more innocent children scandalously let down by numerous agencies who should have acted and prevented this. It is truly appalling.

There really are no words to describe the utter heartbreaking sadness, anger and frustration surrounding this horrific, cowardly act.

Everyone in the UK hopes you rot and live in fear every single day you evil little pile of human excrement.

[Venkys4eva]

Hopefully the other prisoners will be able to get their hands on him for much of that time

Fingers crossed.

[Alan Young]

One of those news articles that I’ve found just about impossible to read about. Absolutely heartbreaking.
No words for him. It’s beyond belief that anybody capable of this could exist in the world.

[bobinho]

A death penalty would be exactly what thjs cowardly **** would want. Immediate absolution and a way to avoid living with the consequences of what he's done.

He's staring down the barrel of being bored in a 4x2sqm box for the rest of his life, plain meals, little exercise, unable to communicate with anyone other than a few designated people because he's going to be getting filled in by anyone that gets their hands on him. He won't know the love or touch of a woman, never have children, experience anything life has to offer.

One day in the future the horror he's inflicted on others will hit him like a barge pole, and for people who haven't committed disgusting atrocities that is the point where you can begin to accept what you've done, heal and begin taking steps to rehabilitate yourself. That door is literally forever closed to him. Goodness knows the despair that must make a man feel, but hopefully it's a lot more than the despair he's inflicted on those families.

**** have some of that. That's far better than a cowards way out imo. A lifetime of misery.

If the misery you describe, is exactly what this piece of **** is going to spend the rest of his life in, then I'd be inclined to go with your option Gaz.

Sadly, I fear the only misery he will experience will be what's inflicted upon him by others. In the event we can't guarantee a lifetime of pure misery, I'm afraid I'd be comfortable with the ultimate penalty.

[Clovius Boofus]

I hope this piece of excrement doesn't do a Fred West or Shipman. I don't want him to be able to choose his own way out. Let the ******* rot.

[louieollie]

A death penalty would be exactly what thjs cowardly **** would want. Immediate absolution and a way to avoid living with the consequences of what he's done.

He's staring down the barrel of being bored in a 4x2sqm box for the rest of his life, plain meals, little exercise, unable to communicate with anyone other than a few designated people because he's going to be getting filled in by anyone that gets their hands on him. He won't know the love or touch of a woman, never have children, experience anything life has to offer.

One day in the future the horror he's inflicted on others will hit him like a barge pole, and for people who haven't committed disgusting atrocities that is the point where you can begin to accept what you've done, heal and begin taking steps to rehabilitate yourself. That door is literally forever closed to him. Goodness knows the despair that must make a man feel, but hopefully it's a lot more than the despair he's inflicted on those families.

**** have some of that. That's far better than a cowards way out imo. A lifetime of misery.

Trust me I'd like him to suffer EVERY second he's still breathing but he's 100000% guilty no it's buts or maybes and we get the pleasure of paying for the little **** bag to live better than the homeless who never hurt a soul!!!

[GetIntoEm]

Not long enough. Absolute ****.

I hope his parents are the next ones in court. Clearly knew what he was up to

[Stonehouse]

Surely if the politicians are talking about giving 16 yrs olds the right to vote and at 17 yrs go to war then a 17 yr old committing crimes like this must be given the same sentencing as a 20 yrs old.

[Clovius Boofus]

Not long enough. Absolute ****.

I hope his parents are the next ones in court. Clearly knew what he was up to

He was going to attack his former school, but his dad stopped him from getting into the taxi. Did he (the dad) then go to the police?

[martin_p]

He was going to attack his former school, but his dad stopped him from getting into the taxi. Did he (the dad) then go to the police?

Reading the reports today his parents had called the police in several times and had asked for assistance in dealing with his behaviour. Some serious failings from the authorities here that need addressing, hopefully some good will come out of the inquiry and we can avoid such tragedy in future.

[Clockwork Claret]

A death penalty would be exactly what thjs cowardly **** would want. Immediate absolution and a way to avoid living with the consequences of what he's done.

He's staring down the barrel of being bored in a 4x2sqm box for the rest of his life, plain meals, little exercise, unable to communicate with anyone other than a few designated people because he's going to be getting filled in by anyone that gets their hands on him. He won't know the love or touch of a woman, never have children, experience anything life has to offer.

One day in the future the horror he's inflicted on others will hit him like a barge pole, and for people who haven't committed disgusting atrocities that is the point where you can begin to accept what you've done, heal and begin taking steps to rehabilitate yourself. That door is literally forever closed to him. Goodness knows the despair that must make a man feel, but hopefully it's a lot more than the despair he's inflicted on those families.

**** have some of that. That's far better than a cowards way out imo. A lifetime of misery.

Stick him on death row for 50 years then he can swing.

[Newcastleclaret93]

And us taxpayers will have to fund it.

Think I saw a figure banded about today that he will cost the tax payers 2.56million over his sentence.

[Bow]

Think I saw a figure banded about today that he will cost the tax payers 2.56million over his sentence.

How much would it cost to sentence someone to death? Think of the legal aid bills for the inevitable years of appeals.

Capital punishment has no place in modern society regardless of the crime.

Let the ******* rot in a cell for the rest of his life.

[Woodleyclaret]

With our relationship with Rwanda perhaps we could arrange for him to serve time in his home country.After all we gave them millions for Rushi's madcap scheme

[DCWat]

Think I saw a figure banded about today that he will cost the tax payers 2.56million over his sentence.

Over the course of the sentence!?

It’ll be many multiples of that.

[burnley007]

Why do some people expect convicted criminals to dish out punishment on behalf of the public?

I'm pretty sure they will.

He'll be in solitary for a very long time

[AmbleClaret]

Why do some people expect convicted criminals to dish out punishment on behalf of the public?

Because judges very often pass ridiculously weak sentences.

[HahaYeah]

Beats me why people want him executed. He will probably go to Frankland or Belmarsh on rule 43 protection.Prisoners have a code and the murder of little kids is a no no. He will have a hellish time because it will be 'on sight' at all times and the prison officers will be unsympathetic to his deserved plight.

[Indecisive]

I read the details today and genuinely can’t feel anything other than a level of sympathy for these girls parents which you never could put into words.

It’s a situation that is completely impossible to comprehend.

The fact that there is a suggestion that this individual had been identified as such a risk, absolutely should be right up there as the focus moving forward. Making sure that we have the most robust measures in place to identify and prevent these completely and utterly evil humans from ever being able to do anything like this.

I do understand people’s pure pure anger towards him, but the talk of a death penalty for me is way way behind ensuring that robust measures are in place to remove the risk of the failures leading up to this. I genuinely don’t believe a death penalty would remove that risk. I guess there is some hope that ultimately he will have some realisation of the absolute pain he has caused and he will ultimately spend the entirety of his life in a cell, and die with that knowledge.

Can only emphasise that I couldn’t have more sympathy for the parents and family, and the survivors in this case. I’m a dad of an 8 year girl and this happened 20 mins down the road from me. You clearly don’t need to be a parent to be sickened by this, but it does raise the question of how you would feel, and it’s honestly unimaginable. It makes you give an extra hug, and absolutely be grateful for the ability to do that.

[Wile E Coyote]

an ex con said he might be buffered from reprisals due to his religious affinity, I would hope that is not the case.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

an ex con said he might be buffered from reprisals due to his religious affinity, I would hope that is not the case.

We were told hes a Christian by the gov etc

So he shouldn't have anything to fear

[Newcastleclaret93]

How much would it cost to sentence someone to death? Think of the legal aid bills for the inevitable years of appeals.

Capital punishment has no place in modern society regardless of the crime.

Let the ******* rot in a cell for the rest of his life.

Probably have a better life in prison then he did outside.

He will have TV, PlayStation, as many drugs as he desires.

[Clovius Boofus]

We were told he's a Christian by the gov etc

I doubt he was in any way religious, apart from being christened. I don't think he cared for any them, given that he had saved 'insulting' cartoon caricatures on his PC about Christianity, Islam and Judaism.

[boatshed bill]

Probably have a better life in prison then he did outside.

He will have TV, PlayStation, as many drugs as he desires.

Yep, it amazes me that more people don't make it their choice of lifestyle.

[Clovius Boofus]

We have this argument every week, and it's dull AF, but usually it's Jakub leading the charge.

[RicardoMontalban]

How much would it cost to sentence someone to death? Think of the legal aid bills for the inevitable years of appeals.

Capital punishment has no place in modern society regardless of the crime.

Let the ******* rot in a cell for the rest of his life.

The assumption that the death penalty is the cheaper alternative is misguided. In the US it costs more to execute a prisoner than it does to lock them up for life.

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/policy/costs

[GetIntoEm]

I doubt he was in any way religious, apart from being christened. I don't think he cared for any them, given that he had saved 'insulting' cartoon caricatures on his PC about Christianity, Islam and Judaism.

He was an alterboy wasn't he?

[Goalposts]

The average cost to the taxpayer in the uk a year for a prisoner is £53,000.

Thats for one who can be allowed in general populace - he will be in isolation and the peado wing so actually costs higher, but based on 50 years in prison he will cos in excess of £2.7m.

Not one in general for the reintroduction of the death penalty but would be ok with it in this instance

[DCWat]

I don't think a Christian would be in possession of an al Qaeda training manual.

The discussions on QT, last night, suggested that both of his parents are Christians. The training manual, was actually a study of the manual and its contents, as opposed to the actual manual and there was nothing to suggest this was based on any particular religious belief - certainly not enough for the judge to allow it to be classed as such.

So, not a religious nut, just a complete nut case!

That mug shot of him suggested to me someone who was well aware that this would be the image portrayed of him and he took full advantage to look as nasty, weird, evil as he could.

Countless lives have been ruined, including that of his own family. You only have to read the dance instructors’ victim statement to gain an appreciation of the impact that this will have on her for the rest of her life, never mind the families of those that died, the children and the families of those that survived.

I don’t think it can be understated, the impact that traumatic events have on children of a young age. I pray that I’m wrong, but I fear that the physical and emotional scars will stay with some of them for the rest of their lives.

Whatever this **** has coming to him in prison, over the next 53 years plus, will be well deserved.