Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:19 pm

Pompey away next another away win beckons

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:19 pm

billyhamilton82 wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:18 pm
Because we weren’t playing Plymouth.
We're they not allowed to attack this evening?

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:20 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:07 pm
if anyone ever tells you the gap between the Championship and the Premier League isn't colossal then have them watch that game. Abysmal from both sides
The gap has never been bigger, that game showed whoever goes up has got to spend 120m just to get close to 17th.

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:21 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:16 pm
It was a tight, nervy game - it happens, but this hyperbole is just way too OTT.
what hyperbole is that ? I'd love to know what was good about either side there other than being tight defensively ? I would absolutely have taken a point before hand, my pre-match prediction was 0-0 but I was surprised at how poo both sides were. Staggering anyone thinks the gap between these two and the PL isn't gigantic.

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by boyyanno » Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:22 pm

I don't understand why people can't just say they dislike the football without having to resort to making up gubbins about how we don't want to win games and have 0 ambition.

The reactionary nonsense to a 0-0 draw against top of the league after we've just smashed someone 5-0 is a bit of a joke tbh.
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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:24 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:20 pm
The gap has never been bigger, that game showed whoever goes up has got to spend 120m just to get close to 17th.
Ipswich have spent around 140 million and apparently have the next best thing as manager, they are making a better fist of it than we did but I think they still drop. It's not a Burnley problem the pyramid at this level is broken

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by Murger » Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:24 pm

boyyanno wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:22 pm
I don't understand why people can't just say they dislike the football without having to resort to making up gubbins about how we don't want to win games and have 0 ambition.

The reactionary nonsense to a 0-0 draw against top of the league after we've just smashed someone 5-0 is a bit of a joke tbh.
In isolation yes, but this turgid crap has been served up at home all season.

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:24 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:15 pm
It's more looking at the bigger picture.

We don't have the squad to go gung ho 0-90. We'd be lower playoffs at best.

Look at our bench tonight vs Leeds'... SP is doing a top job given the circumstances.
I think your being quite disingenuous there cool claret I have literally not seen one poster say go gung ho.

But let’s be realistic Burnley have the most expensive squad in the league and the second highest wage bill (roughly).

Regardless of opposition that was truly appalling. That second half Burnley didn’t have a single shot, no corners, no touches in the opposition box, Xg of zero.

I appreciate it’s a marathon but that game there was absolutely zero intent from the team to even try and score.

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by CoolClaret » Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:24 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:17 pm
Give over, our squad is every bit as good as Leeds or Sheff United.
Our forward line is nowhere near the quality of Leeds United's.

It was at the start of the season, and then it got decimated. Dan James, Brenden Aaronson and Manor Solomon have both played extensively in Europa/Champions League, Gnonto a full Italian international on the bench, and Ramazani played over 60 games in La Liga for Almeria.

We simply do not have that same pedigree in the forward positions.
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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by karatekid » Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:24 pm

SP inherited a team that had just had its guts ripped out. He needed a reset and a solid foundation to build on. He has done that in spades
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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by Dyched » Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:25 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:24 pm
Ipswich have spent around 140 million and apparently have the next best thing as manager, they are making a better fist of it than we did but I think they still drop. It's not a Burnley problem the pyramid at this level is broken
The way coaches approach football is broken.

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by JimmyRobbo » Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:26 pm

We'll have the chance to go top again next match, too.

Our forward lline isn't as good as some people seem to think.

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Post by SPC&G » Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:28 pm

No problem for me with that performance tonight. Leeds are likely to go up as champions. We and two/three others are, imo, going for second. Depending on how this transfer window goes with players in/out for us and the others could be very telling on the run in.

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by boyyanno » Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:28 pm

Murger wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:24 pm
In isolation yes, but this turgid crap has been served up at home all season.
It's a good job I also watch us away then.

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by Wokingclaret » Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:28 pm

When we signed Barnes again, I said I'm all for it if it stops the 0-0s

He's had 30 seconds..................................................................... :o

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by SPC&G » Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:29 pm

No problem for me with that performance tonight. Leeds are likely to go up as champions. We and two/three others are, imo, going for second. Depending on how this transfer window goes with players in/out for us and the others could be very telling on the run in.

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by Murger » Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:30 pm

boyyanno wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:28 pm
It's a good job I also watch us away then.
Where you watch us is irrelevant, it’s about what is being served up at home.

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by burnley007 » Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:30 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:28 pm
When we signed Barnes again, I said I'm all for it if it stops the 0-0s

He's had 30 seconds..................................................................... :o
What about a 32yo free transfer from the Turkish League?

He's had even less time.

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by JimmyRobbo » Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:32 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:28 pm
When we signed Barnes again, I said I'm all for it if it stops the 0-0s

He's had 30 seconds..................................................................... :o
He'll play his part.

Still planty od twists and turns before the season ends.

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by DCWat » Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:33 pm

That was to be expected, tonight.

It needs to be marked off as a point gained, on the back of a tricky run of games.

That being said, there’s no hiding from the fact that we are lacking some quality, going forward. Obviously Parker wanted Whittaker, hopefully we have some other irons in the fire.

I must say, I’m looking forward to playing another team with the full backs to keeper passing routine. Two teams playing like that, I’d rather have tickets to Gary Kasparov’s next encounter!
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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by TsarBomba » Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:37 pm

It’s hard to be too critical about tonight when Leeds’ mentality was very similar to ours. Neither team wanted to lose.

But there’s no excuses now moving forward.
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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by Squazo » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:01 pm

class point

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by ISpeds00 » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:04 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 9:52 pm
As much as I love the defensive record and allow the 5-0 against Plymouth once again it’s just tedious at home.

We looked terrified of Leeds on the counter and offered absolutely nothing in front of goal.

Season destined to lose in the playoffs because whoever finishes 3rd ain’t going up.
I dont recall Leeds even getting a shot on goal - so not really tedious, just an easy management of a decent side at home

4 points taken off a league favourite.
There will be more better days to come soon

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by Stayingup » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:05 pm

Stonehouse wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 9:59 pm
When Dyche was here he knew the sides limitations and played accordingly,SP knows we haven’t the players to go toe to toe with an attacking team so set up not to lose,if Kompany had been here Leeds would have battered us.
I can't agree with that. I think Kompany's Championship winning team would have beaten Leeds tonight. Mind we had Tella

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by The Shire Claret » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:05 pm

Some flappers on tonight I see
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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by Wokingclaret » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:06 pm

burnley007 wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:30 pm
What about a 32yo free transfer from the Turkish League?

He's had even less time.
He's the injury breakdown policy (RAC) :lol:

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by Targetman » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:07 pm

boyyanno wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:28 pm
It's a good job I also watch us away then.
Most of the posters who are doing the shouting tonight wouldn't watch us home OR away if it wasn't for tv and the internet. Turf Moor is off their radar!

They just love to moan when we haven't played as well as they would have liked.
You will know exactly the posters who I'm talking about, try not to engage with them because that's what they want.

A pinch of salt might be required?? :lol:
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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by KRBFC » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:14 pm

colne-claret wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 9:56 pm
It’s the same old story though isn’t it. Not enough up top, it’s nothing new. We need to bring somebody in this window. I’d have 100% taken a point before the game.
I don’t know how people have convinced themselves it’s a personnel thing and suddenly if we get better attackers we will start scoring more goals. Very naive

It’s a mentality thing and it comes from the manager, terrified to lose games. Negative set up.

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:17 pm

Has anybody mentioned the fact we have just created defensive history in the English professional game yet or is it just the usual sniping top hats who don't see anything positive?

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by Wile E Coyote » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:17 pm

parker has done a great job, I find it hard to get the criticism, he sets his stall out to battle whoever the fixtures throw up, so far , given his squad he has succeeded. we are a top team in this division.
Supporters saying we need this player, or that position covered, but he can only work with what he has inherited. I am curious as to what fans expect from the team sometimes. Do you want him to go hell for leather like Keegans Newcastle and risk conceding a bag full of goals. I prefer the strong defensive approach, at least we are picking up points. When we could unleash against lowly opposition (Plymouth) we did, not to mention the sheff utd game which shows we have a cutting edge.
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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:18 pm

DAVETHEVICAR wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 9:58 pm
Great point against the best team in the League
* Attacking team

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Post by colne-claret » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:18 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:14 pm
I don’t know how people have convinced themselves it’s a personnel thing and suddenly if we get better attackers we will start scoring more goals. Very naive

It’s a mentality thing and it comes from the manager, terrified to lose games. Negative set up.
I don’t expect to see us all of a sudden become a free flowing team. If we bring in players who can pick a better pass in the final third or break the lines faster than we currently are, there’s more chance of us scoring goals. I’m not a big advocate of this style of play but I’m also not naive enough to see that with some more quality up top, we will score more goals. Would it be enough to get us promoted? Who knows.

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by KRBFC » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:20 pm

karatekid wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:24 pm
SP inherited a team that had just had its guts ripped out. He needed a reset and a solid foundation to build on. He has done that in spades
How long is he going to live off this excuse?

VK walked into a mess, 19 players left and god knows how many he had to bring in. We went into every single game to win, on the front foot looking to score goals.

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:20 pm

burnley007 wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:11 pm
We were at-home and didn't even try to win


I'm so tired of this season
Don’t watch the games then and don’t come on here and moan if you are so tired of the season, it would do everyone a favour
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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:20 pm

Can I just add that we've taken 4 points off Leeds this season and there's not many that will lay claim to that !

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by Ziggy Stardust » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:22 pm

Just wondering what level of opponent is acceptable for a boring 0-0 at home?

Think some shoelaces need removing tonight......
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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by blatherwickstattoos » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:22 pm

We don’t move off the ball at all. It’s static. That’s why we end up going back to Trafford 9 times out of 10 when having a throwing/corner/ possession deep into oppositions half.

Just move, commit bodies going forward. Cross a ball. Shoot from 20 yards out.

We can’t play Luton, Cardiff and Plymouth every week… the only teams we’ve properly battered.

Parker might get us up. But he won’t be here long with his approach to football.

Defensively top top draw. But it doesn’t last forever. Need to find that balance and fast

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Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:23 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:17 pm
parker has done a great job, I find it hard to get the criticism, he sets his stall out to battle whoever the fixtures throw up, so far , given his squad he has succeeded. we are a top team in this division.
Supporters saying we need this player, or that position covered, but he can only work with what he has inherited. I am curious as to what fans expect from the team sometimes. Do you want him to go hell for leather like Keegans Newcastle and risk conceding a bag full of goals. I prefer the strong defensive approach, at least we are picking up points. When we could unleash against lowly opposition (Plymouth) we did, not to mention the sheff utd game which shows we have a cutting edge.
Spot on, you don't concede and you keep the points tally ticking over. It's no different to what Dyche did over a number of seasons

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Post by 123EasyasBFC » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:24 pm

To the OP I thought Leeds looked terrified of us to, they had a few hit tonight and could of gone for it and they were to scared to lose.

Also everyone talking about our forward line, it’s not that it’s the fact we are playing 3 central midfielders that aren’t creative enough, don’t play passes that break the lines or through balls it’s just one paced, for me if Parker wants to still be solid keep Cullen and Laurent together but get foster and Flemming up top together not shoving one of them out wide. 2 strikers and 2 wingers and we become a different team

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Post by ralph8 » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:25 pm

OK we got a point and we move on, what I can't accept is Foster being a passenger throughout the game and relying on others to do the hard yards - as for scoring- give up on that happening a while ago.
Ion an ideal world we offload him this week even at a loss and get a busy mobile player up top - we would improve the scoring whilst being a much easier watch.

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Post by Poulton-le-Claret » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:25 pm

Still confident we are going to finish first or second. We will outlast the other teams, it won't be pretty for a lot of the ride, but I am convinced we have more bottle than the others to just see it through.
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Post by 123EasyasBFC » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:25 pm

blatherwickstattoos wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:22 pm
We don’t move off the ball at all. It’s static. That’s why we end up going back to Trafford 9 times out of 10 when having a throwing/corner/ possession deep into oppositions half.

Just move, commit bodies going forward. Cross a ball. Shoot from 20 yards out.

We can’t play Luton, Cardiff and Plymouth every week… the only teams we’ve properly battered.

Parker might get us up. But he won’t be here long with his approach to football.

Defensively top top draw. But it doesn’t last forever. Need to find that balance and fast
Static is correct, there is absolutely no plan or pattern when it’s Trafford to Egan Riley then to Esteve, there’s no movement in front of them. We rely on the Egan Riley long ball to Anthony coming off
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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by GorranClaret » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:26 pm

Our defensive shape is incredible. Leeds tried and tried to pull us out of that shape but we wouldn't let them. As a result, it was dull as dishwater and they never looked like really hurting us.

Had we gone on the attack, we would have been cut open by them. Take the point - move on.
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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by Wile E Coyote » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:27 pm

karatekid wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:24 pm
SP inherited a team that had just had its guts ripped out. He needed a reset and a solid foundation to build on. He has done that in spades
spot on karate.

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by TsarBomba » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:29 pm

Poulton-le-Claret wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:25 pm
Still confident we are going to finish first or second. We will outlast the other teams, it won't be pretty for a lot of the ride, but I am convinced we have more bottle than the others to just see it through.
Yeah, this is my take.

I think Leeds will finish top, and Sunderland will find the pressure too much with their young squad, which leaves us and Sheff Utd.

And for all the criticism about our attacking play, what you won’t see us do is get beat 3-0 at home to a team like Hull, which is why I think we’ll just pip the Blades into second.

You’re quite right, it’s not pretty, but the club was in disarray in the summer and if Parker does get us up at the first time of asking, it will be nothing short of miraculous.
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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by Wile E Coyote » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:32 pm

GorranClaret wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:26 pm
Our defensive shape is incredible. Leeds tried and tried to pull us out of that shape but we wouldn't let them. As a result, it was dull as dishwater and they never looked like really hurting us.

Had we gone on the attack, we would have been cut open by them. Take the point - move on.
for future reference Gorran, It's Ditchwater.
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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by GorranClaret » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:33 pm

TsarBomba wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:29 pm
if Parker does get us up at the first time of asking, it will be nothing short of miraculous.
Absolutely. Not the biggest fan of his style of play, but to have the heart of the club ripped out in a matter of days to this is pretty impressive. Would love more open, expansive football, but not at the expense of losing more often than not. I had enough of that last season!

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by blatherwickstattoos » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:38 pm

GorranClaret wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:33 pm
Absolutely. Not the biggest fan of his style of play, but to have the heart of the club ripped out in a matter of days to this is pretty impressive. Would love more open, expansive football, but not at the expense of losing more often than not. I had enough of that last season!
Kompany lost more first team players and did the opposite to parker in terms of football to watch.

All depends on what you prefer. (Also what the owners prefer) I can’t see parker being here In 2 years time even if we go up

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:39 pm

GorranClaret wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:33 pm
Absolutely. Not the biggest fan of his style of play, but to have the heart of the club ripped out in a matter of days to this is pretty impressive. Would love more open, expansive football, but not at the expense of losing more often than not. I had enough of that last season!
We'll have more chance in staying up than what we had to endure last season that's for sure

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Re: Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

Post by quoonbeatz » Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:40 pm

TsarBomba wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:29 pm
if Parker does get us up at the first time of asking, it will be nothing short of miraculous.
It really won’t. It’s the minimum expectation for this season in a league that is there for the taking, especially with our squad.

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