Chance to go joint top - don’t lay a glove

[Wile E Coyote]

Our defensive shape is incredible. Leeds tried and tried to pull us out of that shape but we wouldn't let them. As a result, it was dull as dishwater and they never looked like really hurting us.

Had we gone on the attack, we would have been cut open by them. Take the point - move on.

correct, and if any team in this division was capable, it would've been Leeds.
Holding them off albeit a home game was no mean feat.

[Devils_Advocate]

Leeds are the best team in the division and was well on top first half. We defended brilliantly and despite Leeds dominating the play we didn't give them a sniff.

Second half was just scrappy but again we were as solid as can be.

A point tonight regardless of the performance was all that's needed. It's the games against the bottom half of the table where we need to improve and have more performances like the Plymouth one

Horrible game but a good point against a very good side

[TsarBomba]

It really won’t. It’s the minimum expectation for this season in a league that is there for the taking, especially with our squad.

It really will. The club was toxic last year and into the summer, and the turnover of players once again was staggering.

[quoonbeatz]

Dyche’s first promotion was miraculous. Coyle’s was miraculous. This isn’t. Although the defensive record is.

[JohnMac]

Every fan of both sides would have taken a point before kick off and I base this on meeting some friends from Leeds before the game.

We did get a point with both sides not wanting to lose the game.

Then it isn't good enough for some despite taking 4 points from the strongest team in the Division.

[mybloodisclaret]

Usual characters out in force tonight, standard doom mongers. If you really don't like it that much, save your time and stress and do something else.

Perhaps keep off here also as you are starting to suck the life out us who actually support the team.

Attacking we should be doing better.

Defensively we are like Italian masters.

Not a great game but happy with a point.

Take it and move on.

Serious question...... Out of those whinging on here about the point, how many are going Pompey? I pray to God I'm not stood near you.

We need to back the lads.

[Clive 1960]

let's see where we are after transfer window closes and if we can get one or two players in ..

[dsr]

Would it make any difference how many players we get in? The whole mindset is about defending. If we won't try and score, we won't score.

Look at Roberts' long throw. What does he use it for? Several times in the first half, we got a throw-in thirty yards or so from the opposition goalline. Robers used his long throw to find Egan-Rile in his own half. Why don't we try and score from it? OK, his long throw isn't great, but is there not scope for playing it onto the chest of an attacking player and trying something clever like laying it off for someone to shoot? Or getting a flick-on?

[Sheedyclaret]

Exactly why I haven’t attended a home game since October ST collecting dust

[Burnley87]

It’s mental the amount of people still happy watching that team at the moment. Most of you here will be working extremely hard every week to pay for your season ticket and just under 50% of the home games we haven’t seen a goal. I just can’t get my head around when it became acceptable to show blind loyally. If we don’t get promoted this season it really is the worst season of football I think iv ever watched. For a few reasons, we have a budget in the top 5 sides in the league and we are playing like this, at least under previous managers 10/15 years ago we were potless and trying to get the best of what they had.

Iv missed more home games this season than I have in the last 20 years watching burnley as I really don’t want to watch the team anymore. Absolutely soul destroying watching a team that shows no flair and attacking intent. For the first time I’m actually thinking of not renewing my season ticket. Mainly because iv lost that much interest this season I’m really not that bothered going on the games anymore

[Clive 1960]

Before the season started i would have been very happy to be near the top 6 with what was going on in the summer so to be where we are now in 3rd with plenty of games to play against team's below us i would rip your hand off , yes the football could be a little better but we are in touching distance of going back up , would you be happy if you were a Luton supporter i don't think so. Get behind the team and hopefully at the end of the season we will be back in the Premier league...

[SydneyClaret]

Some people have wanted Parker to fail since he arrived on day one. Same people whinge every week after we get a 0-0 draw with the league leaders and big scorers who are unbeaten in 10. Same people whinge about the football and stay at home despite having a season ticket, then whinge about the atmosphere. Same people probably haven’t sung or cheered the lads on all season. Such negative people have no place.

[JohnDearyMe]

A point tonight regardless of the performance was all that's needed. It's the games against the bottom half of the table where we need to improve and have more performances like the Plymouth one

Horrible game but a good point against a very good side

Agree. Let's hope we can be a lot more adventurous against the 'lesser' teams at home than we have been to date for the rest of the season.

[123EasyasBFC]

It’s mental the amount of people still happy watching that team at the moment. Most of you here will be working extremely hard every week to pay for your season ticket and just under 50% of the home games we haven’t seen a goal. I just can’t get my head around when it became acceptable to show blind loyally. If we don’t get promoted this season it really is the worst season of football I think iv ever watched. For a few reasons, we have a budget in the top 5 sides in the league and we are playing like this, at least under previous managers 10/15 years ago we were potless and trying to get the best of what they had.

Iv missed more home games this season than I have in the last 20 years watching burnley as I really don’t want to watch the team anymore. Absolutely soul destroying watching a team that shows no flair and attacking intent. For the first time I’m actually thinking of not renewing my season ticket. Mainly because iv lost that much interest this season I’m really not that bothered going on the games anymore
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however dull this might be at times, I would much rather watch this than watch the Steve cotterill team towards the end of his spell

[Goliath]

It’s mental the amount of people still happy watching that team at the moment. Most of you here will be working extremely hard every week to pay for your season ticket and just under 50% of the home games we haven’t seen a goal. I just can’t get my head around when it became acceptable to show blind loyally. If we don’t get promoted this season it really is the worst season of football I think iv ever watched. For a few reasons, we have a budget in the top 5 sides in the league and we are playing like this, at least under previous managers 10/15 years ago we were potless and trying to get the best of what they had.

Iv missed more home games this season than I have in the last 20 years watching burnley as I really don’t want to watch the team anymore. Absolutely soul destroying watching a team that shows no flair and attacking intent. For the first time I’m actually thinking of not renewing my season ticket. Mainly because iv lost that much interest this season I’m really not that bothered going on the games anymore

It's spot on is this. I think Parker is doing a very good job but at what cost?
Last night was of of the most negative performances I've seen from a Burnley team at Turf Moor in many a year. We were time wasting at 0-0 and would have deserved It if Leeds had knocked it from a corner late on.

I hope I never see a Burnley side set up like that at-home ever again.

[Murger]

What some people fail to grasp is that the criticism isn’t down to 1 0-0 game with Leeds per se. It’s the constant negative tripe that’s being served up at nearly every home game. It’s inexcusable to be setting the team up exactly the same way, EVERY SINGLE GAME, regardless of opposition.

[123EasyasBFC]

What some people fail to grasp is that the criticism isn’t down to 1 0-0 game with Leeds per se. It’s the constant negative tripe that’s being served up at nearly every home game. It’s inexcusable to be setting the team up exactly the same way, EVERY SINGLE GAME, regardless of opposition.

Yes in regulation 0-0 against Leeds is a good result but it’s the fact you don’t have any confidence that in a weeks time we won’t end up drawing 0-0 to Oxford at home

[Darthlaw]

Yes in regulation 0-0 against Leeds is a good result but it’s the fact you don’t have any confidence that in a weeks time we won’t end up drawing 0-0 to Oxford at home

It’s the failure to score at home against Stoke, Derby, QPR and Preston, coupled with the absolute disinterest in attacking Leeds that causes frustration.

In isolation, draws against first and fourth are fine but dig deeper and it’s blatant there’s a wider concern.

The cynic in me even says our amazing defensive record is part down to smaller teams playing against us like we played last night. It’s much easier to get clean sheets against teams that don’t attack.

[123EasyasBFC]

It’s the failure to score at home against Stoke, Derby, QPR and Preston, coupled with the absolute disinterest in attacking Leeds that causes frustration.

In isolation, draws against first and fourth are fine but dig deeper and it’s blatant there’s a wider concern.

The cynic in me even says our amazing defensive record is part down to smaller teams playing against us like we played last night. It’s much easier to get clean sheets against teams that don’t attack.

Of course it’s because teams don’t attack, that’s the massive reason we keep clean sheets, but that’s also the massive reason we don’t score enough goals. For example I watched Portsmouth away at rovers other week and they played so open which played into Blackburns hands. You know full well this weekend Portsmouth with sit in and will just try and counter us and make us break them down. Teams know if they are open against us we will score

[RVclaret]

Many talk about how good our defence is (and it is!) yet Leeds have actually conceded the 1) least amount of chances in the league 2) fewest shots on goal by this point in a Championship season since records began. If it weren’t for their keeper they would be well clear by now and are easily the best side in the league. Then each of their attacking players, particularly wide, would get into our first 11, including their bench players Gnonto and Ramazani.

Weirdly, though, we had the two best chances of the game via Flemming with his head, and he really should have done far better when he turned and shot first time, take a touch and we were 2 on 1 with Anthony.

[TsarBomba]

Yes in regulation 0-0 against Leeds is a good result but it’s the fact you don’t have any confidence that in a weeks time we won’t end up drawing 0-0 to Oxford at home

And if we do end up drawing 0-0 against Oxford, then quite rightly there will be criticism, which I don’t think any of us can defend.

There’s been a bigger picture this season to remember, mainly Parker inheriting the mess left by Kompany. But I think we all agree that nine 0-0’s is getting beyond a joke, and there’s increasingly less mitigation.

[123EasyasBFC]

And if we do end up drawing 0-0 against Oxford, then quite rightly there will be criticism, which I don’t think any of us can defend.

There’s been a bigger picture this season to remember, mainly Parker inheriting the mess left by Kompany. But I think we all agree that nine 0-0’s is getting beyond a joke, and there’s increasingly less mitigation.

Yeah the 0-0s already at home against Preston QPR derby and Stoke are shocking results. Yes Parker inherited a mess and had to suffer the fact we needed to sell players for financial reasons but with the squad we have there is no defence for not beating the above teams at home. We shouldn’t be relying on Laurent scoring a header from 1 yard out in the 94th minute at home to stoke

[jlup1980]

It’s the failure to score at home against Stoke, Derby, QPR and Preston, coupled with the absolute disinterest in attacking Leeds that causes frustration.

I think you only need the first half of that sentence. Turn those four into wins and we'd be top of the league on 65 points! If we fail to make automatic promotion, it will be those games we look back on, not last night.

[beeholeclaret]

Where has anyone said we should go all out? Stop making stuff up.

Just read ‘Goliath’ above saying we should’ve ’gone for throat’. I think that would imply similar sentiments?

[BigJay]

As frustrating as it can be to watch, think a bit of perspective is needed. 17 unbeaten, 10 wins with 7 draws, 4 goals conceded, 22 goals scored. Too many draws I know but we're unbeaten at home so far this season. Also, out of all the top 4 sides we're the only team with a new manager, had a mass exodus of players, and haven't yet managed to find like for like replacements for them all. We've had to rebuild again for the 3rd sesson in a row. Yes, it's been dull to watch, but we've now got a run of games we hopefully can be a little more adventurous going forward. I think Parker deserves a lot of credit and I would remind all our younger fans to be careful what you wish for.

[Awayfromburnley]

Having seen 3 goals at home in 2 months, I am getting a bit naffed off.

Totally get the need for a solid performance last night but oh my word it was dull.

As a fan I want some entertainment. Genuinely the most exciting thing of that game was the t-shirt cannon at half time. And that won it by some considerable distance.

Can be critical of performances but still support the team and manager, which I believe is where I sit.

[agreenwood]

Neither side looked like they wanted to risk a defeat.

Leeds flattered to deceive a bit by occasionally launching a counter attack in the first half, but never looked like scoring.

It was pretty obvious from early in the second half that both sides were happy with a point.

If I were in charge of either clubs highlights package production, I’d probably not bother with last night.

[Clovius Boofus]

Every fan of both sides would have taken a point before kick off and I base this on meeting some friends from Leeds before the game.

We did get a point with both sides not wanting to lose the game.

Then it isn't good enough for some despite taking 4 points from the strongest team in the Division.

Aye, massive entitlement amongst some of our fanbase.

[Dyched]

Aye, massive entitlement amongst some of our fanbase.

Ohhh you get a sticker for using the new buzz word of the season.

[Colburn_Claret]

It's all about opinions, and I'm glad so many are happy, I just can't for the life of me see why.
I'm fuming with that performance last night. It was gutless when we needed to show some courage.
He who dares wins.
Fortune favours the brave.
We have no bottle, and in that respect we're a mirror image of the manager.
I've seen loads of 0-0 draws over the years, some have even been good games. I've seen us gain points from backs to the walls defence and been proud of the courage and the effort it took.
I've never seen us go out and deliberately set up in a way that just gives us no chance of winning. Until this season, and last night must be at least the 6th predictable 0-0 at bloody HOME.

if we have 11 men behind the ball, they can attack with 11 men. IF we leave 2 men on the halfway line, they can only attack with 9. The difference is the second leaves us with an opportunity to counter. Parkerball is the most boring, most frustrating, most disappointing thing I've witnessed as a Claret. Yes I can remember the 80s, I was at the Orient game, but it's one thing failing to win because you're not good enough, it's another thing failing to win because you're frightened to attack. Gutless.

In CJER, Estee, Trafford we have a brilliant defence, real quality, they don't require a bank of 8 infront of them to continue being excellent defenders. Our attacking players are just as capable, but we set them up to fail. New signings, ********, new tactics is what we need, and a coach with some bottle.

[Elizabeth]

Very happy with the point against a major rival for automatic promotion and probably the best all round team in the league.
There are still 2 places up for automatic and had Leeds won I'd have felt there was only one place left and 3 teams fighting for it. On those grounds on this occasion I don't care how we got the result.
Yes, there is lots to improve on offensively at home but the road seems a lot clearer to me to do that now. We are in a stronger position than before the game with Leeds out of the way in my opinion.

[Clovius Boofus]

Ohhh you get a sticker for using the new buzz word of the season.

I must have touched a temperamental nerve. Thing is, I'd give up if that's the best you've got.

[Dyched]

I must have touched a temperamental nerve. Thing is, I'd give up if that's the best you've got.

Calling some of our fans “entitled” when one of the most expensive assembled squads in the league fails to register a single shot on target at home is bit daft aye?

[Clovius Boofus]

Calling some of our fans “entitled” when one of the most expensive assembled squads in the league fails to register a single shot on target at home is bit daft aye?

Now you sound like a foot-stamping toddler. I'd fully recommend your posts to anyone training to be a nursery assistant.

[Burnley87]

How many substitutes this season have changed the games. We are going into games literally not wanting to lose rather than wanting to win. We have the best defensive record ever because we have players who are some of the best in the league and all sitting behind the ball In banks of 4. Playing how we are playing against some crap teams in this league if we wasn’t keeping clean sheets it would be a bigger worry. That team on paper is worth well over £100 million l, possibly the most expensive squad in the league and we still can’t win games at home against some really poor sides

[BigGaz]

There are the usual suspects where it's all rubbish, the worst football anyone's ever seen and Parker wants binning off.

Then there's the usual suspects where it's high entertainment, swashbuckling, "you must've not seen us in the 80's" mouth breathers

Both of these groups are equally tiresome.

Then there's the median view who acknowledge Parkers done well to get us where he has but would like to see us offer up more than one or two chances per game, but these types of views seem to be getting flagged up as being ultra fringe, negative and airing that opinion is akin to saying Voldemorts name.

There's some properly strange folk about.

[Commy]

Having such a good defence is actually causing us a problem. It says something when even Leeds are scared to play their normal game. Teams know that if they allow us a goal the likelihood is that they are going to lose, so they are determined not to venture out enough to leave gaps. We need to start upping the tempo now like we did against Plymouth. People keep going on about how bad they were but we played high tempo, pass and move and forced them into errors. We ran circles round them for the forth goal. More of that please Mr Parker.

[Dyched]

Now you sound like a foot-stamping toddler. I'd fully recommend your posts to anyone training to be a nursery assistant.

If you’ve been left with nothing else to add to your statement of “entitlement” other than resort to some weak insult then I shall leave it there.

But thanks for your input.

[warksclaret]

I can understand the criticism of the 0-0 results at home if our away record was poor, but its head and shoulders better than anyone else's. There's more ways to skin a cat-its the points at the end of the season that count.

[Clovius Boofus]

If you’ve been left with nothing else to add to your statement of “entitlement” other than resort to some weak insult then I shall leave it there.

But thanks for your input.

That's a bit rich. Go back and have a look at your initial response to my first post. If you can't take it, then don't dish it out. HTH.

[Clovius Boofus]

My point is that four points from Leeds, third in the table, and some of our fans are in meltdown. Some even saying last night was the worst game of football they've watched in their lifetime. I'm sorry if this offends some of the temperamentals, but these tantrums need calling out for what they are.

And yes, last night was dull, but what we saw was two teams trying their best not to lose, and cancelling themselves out. Worst game ever? Blimey.

[Colburn_Claret]

My point is that four points from Leeds, third in the table, and some of our fans are in meltdown. Some even saying last night was the worst game of football they've watched in their lifetime. I'm sorry if this offends some of the temperamentals, but these tantrums need calling out for what they are.

And yes, last night was dull, but what we saw was two teams trying their best not to lose, and cancelling themselves out. Worst game ever? Blimey.

The moans aren't based on last night's game, it's been a season of insipid, dull, boring football at home. Dyche defended because he was pragmatic. Parker defends because it's all he knows. If we were on a journey of improvement you could cut him some slack, but I'm still waiting. He's had a lot of rope to play with because of the wholesale changes and the deflated dressing room. He's an honest bloke, and a good man, but he isn't a football manager.
We all want success, but sport is an entertainment, and we should be getting a refund on season tickets for the crap we've had to watch this season.

[Newcastleclaret93]

My point is that four points from Leeds, third in the table, and some of our fans are in meltdown. Some even saying last night was the worst game of football they've watched in their lifetime. I'm sorry if this offends some of the temperamentals, but these tantrums need calling out for what they are.

And yes, last night was dull, but what we saw was two teams trying their best not to lose, and cancelling themselves out. Worst game ever? Blimey.

Tbf Clovius all bias aside some of my mates up here watched the game last night they have absolutely no loyalties to either side and even they were saying it was one of the worst games they have watched.

It was a really really poor game. It had the second lowest Xg of any game in the championship this season, if it wasn’t for Leeds shot on target at the end it would have been the lowest.

I think you’re actually under selling how boring of an occasion that match was.

Like I said on the match thread. It was an absolute shocker of game, in my opinion certainly one of the worst I have seen but you take the point and move on.

[Clovius Boofus]

and we should be getting a refund on season tickets for the crap we've had to watch this season.

I thought you made some valid points until the last bit.

[jrgbfc]

Aye, massive entitlement amongst some of our fanbase.

Aye, fancy hoping that one of the best squads in the league might have an effort on goal playing at home, mental!

[Colburn_Claret]

I thought you made some valid points until the last bit.

It was tongue in cheek, but the sentiment remains. We were disappointing against Rovers. I could hardly keep my eyes open against PNE. You hope and believe things can't get worse, but they have. With every game there's less excuse for not upping the tempo, for not showing more of an attacking intent. QPR, Stoke, Derby.......when are we going to see a change. If he can't take the hand brake off against some of the dross we've played, he's never going to take them off. Parker is a problem, and it's only a matter of time before everyone on this board will see the same.
I would love to be wrong, I really would, but as long as he's in charge I can't see the football changing. He has an ideal opportunity next Tuesday against Oxford. I don't care about the result, if we play the same insipid shite, then he has to go. Last chance saloon imo.

[CoolClaret]

if we have 11 men behind the ball, they can attack with 11 men. IF we leave 2 men on the halfway line, they can only attack with 9. The difference is the second leaves us with an opportunity to counter. Parkerball is the most boring, most frustrating, most disappointing thing I've witnessed as a Claret. Yes I can remember the 80s, I was at the Orient game, but it's one thing failing to win because you're not good enough, it's another thing failing to win because you're frightened to attack. Gutless.

That's a far too simplified view of the game. We defended with 11 in the box under Dyche at corners and basically never conceded from a corner.

Leave more men forward then there's more space to exploit and less to compete for second balls. We are nearly there with this, just a bit more quality in the final third and we'd turn a lot of these draws into wins.

[ArmchairDetective]

It's our results for the rest of the season which will determine whether we go top or not, not just our result against Leeds.

[Colburn_Claret]

That's a far too simplified view of the game. We defended with 11 in the box under Dyche at corners and basically never conceded from a corner.

Leave more men forward then there's more space to exploit and less to compete for second balls. We are nearly there with this, just a bit more quality in the final third and we'd turn a lot of these draws into wins.

I don't agree.
It's not quality we are lacking. It's the intent. We are far too passive. We don't need 11 men behind the ball.
Our back line is seriously good, not because we've only conceded 9 goals this season, just because individually and as a group, they are better than any other defence in the Championship. They don't need to be protected to the extent that we are doing, because that same protection is what causes all the issues at the other end of the pitch.
We could leave players up, catch teams on the break, get in behind which is where goals come from, and we'd still have the best back 5 in the league. SD had a reason for playing that way, SP doesn't.

[Ric_C]

Positives from last night.

We have now played (bar Sheff Utd and WBA at home) played ALL of the top 7 home and away.

Integrate Shelvey and a new striker/ wide player in this window and we are in a very strong position.