Climate Change - It's getting Worse

[Rileybobs]

Interesting how many people view climate change as a political issue. Kind of sums up the problem we’re facing.

[NottsClaret]

That bit from the end of the Chernobyl TV series could just as easily apply to climate change. If we're being honest, we all know it's happening, we know we've caused it and continue to do so and we know it's an absolute disaster. For some it's convenient to lie about, some are just frightened and find the lies comforting so throw themselves behind them until they almost believe it. But we all know the truth, really.

"What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all. The truth doesn't care about our needs or wants, it doesn't care about our governments, our ideologies, our religions. It will lie in wait for all time. Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid"

[FCBurnley]

Our average temperature in Florida this summer has been approx 4 -5 degrees f higher than average. What has the average temperature in the UK been as a comparison ? From the reports I have received from family in the UK it has been a miserable summer. Obviously different parts of the world. Also does anybody know what cloud seeding is ?

[KateR]

Surely it is already affecting you (in the USA I believe)? Wildfires, water shortages, powerful storms, other strange weather, wildlife changes - bees and other pollinators for example. I realise the US is a big country but it must affect you financially if nothing else.

Good questions, and very relative to what I was trying to convey!

Yes, I would say that it definitely has an effect here, certainly home insurance is becoming an issue, with many companies refusing to insure homes now, however beyond that and the disaster relief funds, government backed, there is not a lot of clamour for change and reducing fossil fuel, in fact the republicans want more!

I've been in the energy business, mostly O&G all my life, 2019 saw a big change in my role as I was tasked to write a white paper regarding the next 25 years and the effects on company business. The paper was accepted and late 2019 I started putting a new Org together and capturing the "green business" we had done over the previous 15 years and developing business plans. Certainly, had some what I would call limited success and started being invited to talk at several conferences worldwide on Global Warming, and the effects on the O&G industry.

This included meetings with several major Banks and government bodies at the local level, with the Dutch, very good discussions and plans put in place, but came to nothing, meeting with Texas and especially Houston Gov. officials was an eye opener! They listened politely, took notes and even asked me to do an address regarding Texas Ports of the future and how Green Hydrogen would play a part, yet discussions around grants/funding and start up, were all very politely declined.

Meeting with the MP for Aberdeen were enthusiastically met, requests for a brief for him to discuss in Parliament were requested and provided.
Months later a very frustrated MP reverted in terms of, I'm getting nowhere, they say great ideas, it's what we need to do, but here are no funds available to kick this off.

[KateR]

Interesting how many people view climate change as a political issue. Kind of sums up the problem we’re facing.

It's absolutely a political issue, without any doubt in my mind at least.

It's like trying to turn a super tanker with one of the rowing boats from Thompsons park!

It's also very interesting that so many people don't view climate change as a political issue, which definitely contributes to the problem we are all facing, globally.

[Hipper]

KateR. I remember your interesting discussions on here regarding Green Hydrogen and the experiments in The Netherlands.

Have you found that your report from 2019 is already out of date? I'm thinking that every report I've read on Climate Change is worse then the previous one. Estimates made last year for this year's Climate stats are usually underestimates.

Whilst in some ways it is a political issue because we need politicians to make decisions, to lead. However any political party that tries to introduce suitable tough measures that are required just won't get elected. Not in the UK or presumably the US. I vote Green Party these days but it's a wasted vote in our first past the post electoral system.

I can't help thinking that banks and other investors, insurance companies and the like, will make the big decisions first, out of financial considerations, but they will likely only act as the event unfolds rather then scientific predictions that no-one wants to hear.

All in all too late it would appear.

[Rileybobs]

It's absolutely a political issue, without any doubt in my mind at least.

It's like trying to turn a super tanker with one of the rowing boats from Thompsons park!

It's also very interesting that so many people don't view climate change as a political issue, which definitely contributes to the problem we are all facing, globally.

It’s an environmental issue. Obviously it is an issue on the political agenda, but then so is football.

[FCBurnley]

100% political imo. KateR. Could you please give me your opinions on cloud seeding and HAARP. No one seems able to explain what if anything they are ? Thanks

[Hipper]

100% political imo. KateR. Could you please give me your opinions on cloud seeding and HAARP. No one seems able to explain what if anything they are ? Thanks

Surely you can look this up?

I looked up HAARP as I hadn't heard of that. Cloud seeding I have heard of. The idea has been around quite a while, long before Climate Change.

[FCBurnley]

Surely you can look this up?

I looked up HAARP as I hadn't heard of that. Cloud seeding I have heard of. The idea has been around quite a while, long before Climate Change.

I already had but thought KateR would know way more about both things than I did. I also hoped other posters would research them as you kindly did

[KateR]

100% political imo. KateR. Could you please give me your opinions on cloud seeding and HAARP. No one seems able to explain what if anything they are ? Thanks

sorry, nothing I can add, looked at the cloud seeding quite a long time ago, but it did not seem that relevant at the time, like everything it's probably moved on. I lived in the ME a long time and we went months without seeing a cloud, but several years in Q4 they would always try the seeding on a cloudy day. I can only ever remember once, we got a lot of rain after the seeding, but I'm still not convinced that it wouldn't have rained without the seeding.

Definitely not see a lot of clouds in a while here in Houston, nothing worth trying to seed, but we are entering a draught, or in it for a few days, forecast saying at least another week before any decent rain.

[bfcmik]

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This image is from the IPCC guidance to governments and shows how the cold mass of North Atlantic water essential for the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation, which is actually getter colder and larger in every decade since at least the 1850s, just isn't able to be represented by the predictive computations that we are able to make even now. It also shows how the effects are not as severe as the forecasts showed they would be and as are then exaggerated by those who want us to stop living (especially us boomers!).

[bfcmik]

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What science believes will happen when the AMOC is stopped by the cold fresh water being poured into the Atlantic cold spot from melting glaciers and ice sheets due to global warming.

[Roger1960]

It’s not just a factor of temperature the salinity and therefore density of the water in the northern hemisphere is key and that is being severely effected by the melting artic ice cap and Greenland ice sheet and this is and will change this current with unknown consequences. This isn’t about restricting what us boomers do but what are children or grandchildren will be able to do. Can’t say what is currently planned is that onerous

[Hipper]

A bit more on AMOC/Cold Blob:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn938ze4yyeo

[ClaretPete001]

Try talking to some educated young people.......it is very much at the top of their list....many feel hopeless.
So many artists are involved with the subject of climate change...The World needs to unify & make some radical changes focused on saving the only habitable planet within human reach. ASAP.

The world is not going to unify and no one listens to the petty bourgeois whining of artists in the rich West.

The only hope is that scientists can find a solution and corporations see profit enough to fund them....!

The biggest polluters on the planet are run by nutters who don't even believe in climate change. One of whom is currently invading Ukraine, another pondering Greenland and a third pondering Taiwan.

[IanMcL]

Interesting how many people view climate change as a political issue. Kind of sums up the problem we’re facing.

Climate change is the world ending problem. Only collective political collaboration can change that. Not happening when the likes of Trump - an old man not going to see the end and caring only for himself - are in charge of the biggest economy.