Hysteria

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

How is he stifling our play?

Sorry I thought he was manager. Or do the players just set themselves up before kick off like Sunday league?

[Leisure]

Sorry I thought he was manager. Or do the players just set themselves up before kick off like Sunday league?

That's your answer to how he's supposedly stifling our play! You don't think poor individual performances, poor finishing, poor crossing etc could also be contributory factors?

[taio]

Sorry I thought he was manager. Or do the players just set themselves up before kick off like Sunday league?

Hysteria right there.

[distortiondave]

That's your answer to how he's supposedly stifling our play! You don't think poor individual performances, poor finishing, poor crossing etc could also be contributory factors?

Come on, Leisure, it's shite.
If it's all down to the players then what's the point of a manager at all?

[Jakubs Tash]

Clutching…….

[colne-claret]

That's your answer to how he's supposedly stifling our play! You don't think poor individual performances, poor finishing, poor crossing etc could also be contributory factors?

We’re set up to play counter attacking football against teams we should be dominating. Trafford time wasting away at Pompey is not a choice, he’s doing what he’s been told to do. It’s worrying that we are seemingly settling for a point in games like this. Bournemouth and Fulham fans have all said the same. Sadly, Parker isn’t going to win everybody around as the football is negative.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

That's your answer to how he's supposedly stifling our play! You don't think poor individual performances, poor finishing, poor crossing etc could also be contributory factors?

Poor crossing and finishing? That would be a bonus currently.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Hysteria right there.

Hysteria is coming from the defend at all cost brigade. Give this squad to any half decent manager we’d almost be promoted.

[taio]

Hysteria is coming from the defend at all cost brigade. Give this squad to any half decent manager we’d almost be promoted.

Sunday league

[Andreshotboots]

I hear what people are saying about it's the players who miss chances, put poor final balls in etc, but coming from a cricketing background like I do, here's my take on things.

"Bazball" is based on attacking cricket, the idea is to play without fear, try and win the game at all costs, don't worry about failure as long as you're trying to positive, back yourself etc. I don't think the Clarets show any of these characteristics under SP and something needs to change if we're going to put in a challenge on the top two over the coming weeks.

Safe performances only get you so far, positivity without fear of losing wins you games..

[Wile E Coyote]

3rd in division, manager in first season here after having had rug pulled from under his feet upon arrival, builds a rock solid defence, rarely concedes against teams in very difficult league, and yet gets hammered for doing his job correctly.
How is he meant to conjure up this mythical striker that manages to bang in goals every week?
Scott Parker has created a hugely successful defensive unit, Im more than certain he would love to unleash a Diego Maradona type on the opponents, but we havent got one, and look highly unlikely to get one anytime soon.
If you think just "tweaking" the formation is key to a goal fest, then you are sadly mistaken.
A huge vote of confidence from me on what he has done thus far.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

Not a bad Def Leppard album to be fair. A couple of cracking singles from it

[colne-claret]

3rd in division, manager in first season here after having had rug pulled from under his feet upon arrival, builds a rock solid defence, rarely concedes against teams in very difficult league, and yet gets hammered for doing his job correctly.
How is he meant to conjure up this mythical striker that manages to bang in goals every week?
Scott Parker has created a hugely successful defensive unit, Im more than certain he would love to unleash a Diego Maradona type on the opponents, but we havent got one, and look highly unlikely to get one anytime soon.
If you think just "tweaking" the formation is key to a goal fest, then you are sadly mistaken.
A huge vote of confidence from me on what he has done thus far.

I’d say a start would be playing strikers as a striker and playing a number 10 at number 10. We’ve got so many players out of position currently.

[daveisaclaret]

So what do you think would change with a new manager?

Might see a Burnley player score a goal

[Leisure]

Might see a Burnley player score a goal

Just like the 5 at Plymouth?

[daveisaclaret]

Just like the 5 at Plymouth?

I don't really understand what it is you're trying to do by pretending it's ok that we don't score often because we had one good result. Do you think you are going to bamboozle everyone who finds this very boring?

[alboclaret]

Not a bad Def Leppard album to be fair. A couple of cracking singles from it

Classic muse track also

[brexit]

There is a theory that Alan Pace has told Scott parker to secure third place in the championship, thus accruing extra revenue through the play-offs and achieving EPL status

Claude 3.5

[Vegas Claret]

That's your answer to how he's supposedly stifling our play! You don't think poor individual performances, poor finishing, poor crossing etc could also be contributory factors?

I agree with all that but I would ask anyone how a team trying to win promotion is allowing their goalkeeper to take so long to restart play - there is a distinct lack or urgency and for me that is under instruction because we've seen it for long enough that form isn't the decisive not deciding factor.

[ElectroClaret]

Claude 3.5

Who's Claude then?

[dsr]

3rd in division, manager in first season here after having had rug pulled from under his feet upon arrival, builds a rock solid defence, rarely concedes against teams in very difficult league, and yet gets hammered for doing his job correctly.
How is he meant to conjure up this mythical striker that manages to bang in goals every week?
Scott Parker has created a hugely successful defensive unit, Im more than certain he would love to unleash a Diego Maradona type on the opponents, but we havent got one, and look highly unlikely to get one anytime soon.
If you think just "tweaking" the formation is key to a goal fest, then you are sadly mistaken.
A huge vote of confidence from me on what he has done thus far.

Dyche never had a Diego Maradona type. Unless you count Scott Arfield.

But Ings and Vokes managed 41 goals between them in Dyche's first promotion, and Vokes and Gray got 38 in the second promotion. This season, Flemming working up front on his own has 6. Can you not think of a difference that could be tried to see if the forwards could be more productive?

As a clue, when we went behind at Hull, Hountondji was sent on to partner Flemming and we instantly scored. I don't know what Parker learned from that experiment, but he hasn't tried it again.

[gandhisflipflop]

Dyche never had a Diego Maradona type. Unless you count Scott Arfield.

But Ings and Vokes managed 41 goals between them in Dyche's first promotion, and Vokes and Gray got 38 in the second promotion. This season, Flemming working up front on his own has 6. Can you not think of a difference that could be tried to see if the forwards could be more productive?

As a clue, when we went behind at Hull, Hountondji was sent on to partner Flemming and we instantly scored. I don't know what Parker learned from that experiment, but he hasn't tried it again.

That’s the only time fleming played in the number 10 and we looked a different side.

[Wile E Coyote]

so, parker alone fails to see how obvious things are !!
Wow ! why not just email him your tactical analysis, and if he agrees, then promotion is guaranteed.
Same warped logic the MOTD comms bloke used to describe Muric as at fault in the soton ipswich match.
People just say things, with no substance whatsoever. Meaningless pap usually, and I am in that category, but a bit of realism now and again helps.

[CrosspoolClarets]

If we are gonna play this tiki-taka style football like City do, and we do try to do that, we need incisive passers. We don’t have them. City always keep their defensive shape, that’s their style, so I can see what he is trying to do, but a bit like VK trying to stay in the Pl playing flair football, one could argue Parker cannot do what he wants without the passer - his teams can only score if they swamp the opposition.

When he has Shelvey in, and hopefully Edwards and one other to come, I just hope that allows us to play more like he wants us to.

If I was to compare Edwards to one player, it would be Jeremy Doku. So I cannot see how he can play in a way that promotes negative football.

[dsr]

so, parker alone fails to see how obvious things are !!
Wow ! why not just email him your tactical analysis, and if he agrees, then promotion is guaranteed.
Same warped logic the MOTD comms bloke used to describe Muric as at fault in the soton ipswich match.
People just say things, with no substance whatsoever. Meaningless pap usually, and I am in that category, but a bit of realism now and again helps.

Parker knows the tactics and he knows that we would have more chance of scoring if we attacked more. The reason he won't change anything is that he is happy with 0-0, whoever it is against and whatever the circumstances. The reason he doesn't change things when we're 0-0 at home to Stoke or Derby or QPR, is because he thinks 0-0 is a good result and won't risk losing.

[dsr]

If we are gonna play this tiki-taka style football like City do, and we do try to do that, we need incisive passers. We don’t have them. City always keep their defensive shape, that’s their style, so I can see what he is trying to do, but a bit like VK trying to stay in the Pl playing flair football, one could argue Parker cannot do what he wants without the passer - his teams can only score if they swamp the opposition.

When he has Shelvey in, and hopefully Edwards and one other to come, I just hope that allows us to play more like he wants us to.

If I was to compare Edwards to one player, it would be Jeremy Doku. So I cannot see how he can play in a way that promotes negative football.

That's what a lot of people in football, including professional pundits, gloss over. They look at Guardiola's style of football and think that the reason Man City are doing so well is because they play in that style. But that's not the reason - the primary reason they do so well is because they have the most money and sign the best players.

Kompany had the same problem, perhaps even worse. He failed to realise that if you want to play like Man City, you need someone to do what Aguero or Haaland does. You need someone to do what de Bryune does. You need someone to do what Rhodri does. (Guardiola is finding that one out as well!)

[Wile E Coyote]

Parker knows the tactics and he knows that we would have more chance of scoring if we attacked more. The reason he won't change anything is that he is happy with 0-0, whoever it is against and whatever the circumstances. The reason he doesn't change things when we're 0-0 at home to Stoke or Derby or QPR, is because he thinks 0-0 is a good result and won't risk losing.

why do you think that ? genuinely curious. After all, its his team, his tactics, and ultimately his future career.

[dsr]

why do you think that ? genuinely curious. After all, its his team, his tactics, and ultimately his future career.

Why do I think that he is happy with 0-0 and won't change anything? Because he never changes anything when it's 0-0. Assuming that he has spotted what everyone else has spotted, ie. that we cannot score against teams that defend in depth with this defensive system, but he doesn't try anything different, it can only be because he is happy doing what we are doing.

[Wile E Coyote]

Why do I think that he is happy with 0-0 and won't change anything? Because he never changes anything when it's 0-0. Assuming that he has spotted what everyone else has spotted, ie. that we cannot score against teams that defend in depth with this defensive system, but he doesn't try anything different, it can only be because he is happy doing what we are doing.

not having a go dsr, we all see things differently. but thanks for reply.

[Beagle]

That's what a lot of people in football, including professional pundits, gloss over. They look at Guardiola's style of football and think that the reason Man City are doing so well is because they play in that style. But that's not the reason - the primary reason they do so well is because they have the most money and sign the best players.

Kompany had the same problem, perhaps even worse. He failed to realise that if you want to play like Man City, you need someone to do what Aguero or Haaland does. You need someone to do what de Bryune does. You need someone to do what Rhodri does. (Guardiola is finding that one out as well!)

Couldn’t agree more with this.

[Quicknick]

Couldn’t agree more with this.

Agreed. He's right.

[Rileybobs]

Parker knows the tactics and he knows that we would have more chance of scoring if we attacked more. The reason he won't change anything is that he is happy with 0-0, whoever it is against and whatever the circumstances. The reason he doesn't change things when we're 0-0 at home to Stoke or Derby or QPR, is because he thinks 0-0 is a good result and won't risk losing.

Do you honestly think that Parker is happy with 0-0 no matter who the opposition is?

[RVclaret]

Do you honestly think that Parker is happy with 0-0 no matter who the opposition is?

It’s a really bonkers assertion that this poster has been pushing for a while. Yeah, Parker’s brief is to get promoted but he’s happy drawing every game 0-0? Tin foil hat stuff.

For what it’s worth Parker has a grand total of four 0-0s in his last promotion season.

[Colburn_Claret]

That's your answer to how he's supposedly stifling our play! You don't think poor individual performances, poor finishing, poor crossing etc could also be contributory factors?

Of course they're contributory, but our set up means players aren't playing games in the best areas of the pitch, crosses aren't coming in from the best areas...........
We defend so deep we rarely get to the byline to put the ball into the box. We struggle to get players in the box because strikers aren't supposed to be box to box players, that's your midfielders job.
We had a bad day in front of goal yesterday, but most games we create nothing. These same players could score far more goals, but only if we change our attitude and approach to the game. If it means we concede more who cares, it's about winning games. We're sleep walking to failure, and I want SP to fix it, but I don't believe he can, because he is the problem.

[Leisure]

I don't really understand what it is you're trying to do by pretending it's ok that we don't score often because we had one good result. Do you think you are going to bamboozle everyone who finds this very boring?

Just looking for balance.

[blatherwickstattoos]

Having read your post agreenwood I can safely say the ‘hysteria’ as you call it is fully justified. The worse kind of football imaginable. Forced to think 0-0’s are a decent result with the amount of money we’ve spent compared to others in the league.

Parker won’t last long. I don’t care if we go up or not under him. Absolutely no personality as a manager or a team. It’s dire. We are third in the shittest championship in a long time and we’ve spent more than anyone in the league.

[Ampth7]

It’s been a strange season so far to try to judge. On one hand our defensive record is nothing short of incredible!

On the other hand, we’re drawing far too many games 0-0 which are dull as dish water to watch.

In my opinion, a team’s DNA if you like is solely down to the manager. Cases in point, consider the following names and their respective styles of play - Guardiola, Klopp, Slot, Dyche, Allardyce, Southgate etc… I’m fairly confident that we would all come to the same conclusions for each of the above names and the way their teams play the game.

On that basis, it is my opinion that Parker’s style of play is based on keeping it tight at the back, slow build up play in order to try to maintain possession, counter attacks when possible and then being super clinical with the small number of chances created.

I personally thought yesterday was a good example of all of the above without the counter attacks and not helped by the 2/3 ‘chances’ created that ended with scuffed efforts when individuals should have done better. By the way, that last point is on the players and not the manager.

However, ten 0-0’s is now a problem and one that needs rectifying if we are to win automatic promotion. The only way that’s going to change is if our attackers suddenly become super clinical in front of goal because the way we play won’t change.

[BleedingClaret]

I got home from pompey last night and about an hour earlier than expected and longed for a bit of eye candy football

Put the Tv on

I’d been telling anyone unfortunate enough to be in proximity of my well meaning but incessant ranting that kicking the ball towards the other teams net running after it fighting for it and trying to hit it towards their goal is basically the gist of football

Everton first sky highlight kicked the ball towards Leicester goal ran after it, bang, goal
So they then did it again

Big part of my rantings was about mindset


Nott’m Forest
Chris Wood a striker on the edge of the 6 yard box bang bang
He then, and only occasionally for Forest, finds himself facing his own goal just inside his own half try’s to control the ball to link play it bounces off him he’s not quick enough to react Brighton get a chance
Christopher is then trusted to complete his hat trick
They know what he is they know how to play him

There’s unintentional undertones too to the Dyche framework here too

Back to me I’m not tired I’m buzzing
Footy daring to be, at its finest
Forest battered 5.0 then won 7.0
(3points)

Chris f&cking Wood on the coat tails of Haaland and Sala!!!!


Dirty Leeds grind out the 0.0 at Burnley
Take the brakes off against a lower team in the League
I was shamefully guiltily drooling from their first goal to their seventh

They knew when to hold em and when to fold em

Went to bed couldn’t sleep thinking about the footy I’d watch

Oh did I mention I also went to Pompey too

Apparently that was football…..

Didn’t feel quite the same






Football

[BleedingClaret]

It’s been a strange season so far to try to judge. On one hand our defensive record is nothing short of incredible!

On the other hand, we’re drawing far too many games 0-0 which are dull as dish water to watch.

In my opinion, a team’s DNA if you like is solely down to the manager. Cases in point, consider the following names and their respective styles of play - Guardiola, Klopp, Slot, Dyche, Allardyce, Southgate etc… I’m fairly confident that we would all come to the same conclusions for each of the above names and the way their teams play the game.

On that basis, it is my opinion that Parker’s style of play is based on keeping it tight at the back, slow build up play in order to try to maintain possession, counter attacks when possible and then being super clinical with the small number of chances created.

I personally thought yesterday was a good example of all of the above without the counter attacks and not helped by the 2/3 ‘chances’ created that ended with scuffed efforts when individuals should have done better. By the way, that last point is on the players and not the manager.

However, ten 0-0’s is now a problem and one that needs rectifying if we are to win automatic promotion. The only way that’s going to change is if our attackers suddenly become super clinical in front of goal because the way we play won’t change.

Brum went down with 50 points last year
46 0.0’s could get you relegated with your perfect defensive record
It’s as dull as ‘ditch’ water I concur

[dsr]

Do you honestly think that Parker is happy with 0-0 no matter who the opposition is?

Either that, or else in the games such as Derby or Stoke he is unable to see what many of us think is obvious - that we aren't going to score. If he persists in playing in a style that is highlt likely to finish 0-0, then the obvious conclusion is that he is satisfied with 0-0 and sees no reason to change it.

The alternative, of course, is that he doesn't think his style is likely to result in 0-0. In which case, he needs some stats analysts to prove that it does!

[Bacchus]

Hysteria is the world we live in, particularly online. Nothing is ever 'okay' or 'not bad' any more; it has to be amazing or awful.

The football is dull this season. I don't think anyone would dispute that. Parker's 1st, 2nd and 3rd priorities are to get promoted though. Entertainment would be nice, but the ambition and business model of the board requires being in the Premier League and that is what Parker is being paid to deliver.

He inherited a disjointed and unhappy squad. We have lacked an adequate striker since Wood left and still do, and he wasn't able to rectify that in the summer so set about achieving his aims by making us defensively solid and hoping to build from that base.

At the moment we are 3rd in the league and in with a great shout of getting in the top 2. We reportedly have a highly rated flair player incoming and a crowd favourite back on the bench after being injured all season, so hopefully that can go some way towards fixing the problems in the final third.

Back to the thread title - the accusations of boring football are justified, but a lot of the moaning and criticism of Parker is undoubtedly hysterical given the circumstances. Some people just can't help themselves though; moaning is what gets them up in a morning and keeps them going through the day.

[jlup1980]

We are dull, and SP sets us up to be pragmatic, but I don't think it tells the whole story. I've said before that it's like watching Southgate's England. The problem we've had all season is we don't have Jude Bellingham scoring an overhead kick in the last minute to save the day. As defensive as we are, we also have a dreadful bunch of attackers. We don't have a natural goalscorer and all promotion chasing teams tend to have someone you can rely on. SP doesn't have an Ings, Vokes, Gray, or Tella at his disposal. He doesn't even have options on the wing.

Foster will never be a consistent goalscorer and isn't a creative winger.
Flemming isn't a no.9.
Jay was past it at this level so has been moved on.
Barnes at his best, played second fiddle to a goalscorer like Chris Wood, and isn't a natural goalscorer himself.
Anthony is honest enough, but lacks that killer touch in the final third.
Sarmiento doesn't impose himself on games and flits in and out too much.
Koleosho looks like a lost little boy.
Tresor doesn't want to play.
Redmond, Ramsey, and Benson have been injured all season.

I feel for SP on this front. He's been left with a poor bunch. The only one who's popped up consistently with goals and assists is Brownhill, and he could be on his way out before Monday evening, which would be a brave decision by the club. We need better options, but we're already carrying a lot of dead wood, and with that in mind I fear it's going to get worse before it gets better!

[Rileybobs]

Either that, or else in the games such as Derby or Stoke he is unable to see what many of us think is obvious - that we aren't going to score. If he persists in playing in a style that is highlt likely to finish 0-0, then the obvious conclusion is that he is satisfied with 0-0 and sees no reason to change it.

The alternative, of course, is that he doesn't think his style is likely to result in 0-0. In which case, he needs some stats analysts to prove that it does!

I don’t actually believe that you think Parker is satisfied with drawing every game 0-0, so quite why you’re saying that I don’t know.

I think it’s fair to say that Parker is on the risk averse side of the fence. It’s also true that in some games, such as Leeds, he is satisfied with a 0-0 draw and I don’t really think that’s a bad thing. But the reasons for the number of 0-0’s is a combination of the above, the personnel he has available to him and quite likely his tactical limitations as a coach.

He needs to find a balance, and that may require strengthening the personnel department and certainly requires him looking at his own tactical approach to games. But claiming that he is happy with drawing every game 0-0 is just dishonest and I think you know that.

[brexit]

It’s been a strange season so far to try to judge. On one hand our defensive record is nothing short of incredible!

On the other hand, we’re drawing far too many games 0-0 which are dull as dish water to watch.

In my opinion, a team’s DNA if you like is solely down to the manager. Cases in point, consider the following names and their respective styles of play - Guardiola, Klopp, Slot, Dyche, Allardyce, Southgate etc… I’m fairly confident that we would all come to the same conclusions for each of the above names and the way their teams play the game.

On that basis, it is my opinion that Parker’s style of play is based on keeping it tight at the back, slow build up play in order to try to maintain possession, counter attacks when possible and then being super clinical with the small number of chances created.

I personally thought yesterday was a good example of all of the above without the counter attacks and not helped by the 2/3 ‘chances’ created that ended with scuffed efforts when individuals should have done better. By the way, that last point is on the players and not the manager.

However, ten 0-0’s is now a problem and one that needs rectifying if we are to win automatic promotion. The only way that’s going to change is if our attackers suddenly become super clinical in front of goal because the way we play won’t change.

Actually agree with this. On the plane back, I spoke with an Everton fan and asked him why he thought Everton had won three straight games with the same team. He thought it was small tactical tweaks, but he thought it was a different mentality from the manager instilled in the players.
He had a theory about SP that Pace got badly burned with VK in the EPL and wanted a manager who played more in the Dyche style, who he thought could survive in the EPL for a couple of years while slowly improving his team.

[Socrates]

Been reflecting on this overnight and another thing that comes to mind is that we now have the boring tag.

The Guardian podcast and Totally Football both spent decent amounts of time this week talking about how dull we are. One of the Chmapionship podcasts (not the top 20?) has been going on about it all season. Portsmouth fans were chanting “boring, boring Burnley”. Stats dweebs like Duncan Alexander are highlighting it a lot now.

We’re becoming or have become a punchline. That is an issue for a club that has tried to market itself in a different way. Far, far cry from Pace’s vision of us being everybody’s second team.

That is an issue.

[dsr]

I don’t actually believe that you think Parker is satisfied with drawing every game 0-0, so quite why you’re saying that I don’t know.

I think it’s fair to say that Parker is on the risk averse side of the fence. It’s also true that in some games, such as Leeds, he is satisfied with a 0-0 draw and I don’t really think that’s a bad thing. But the reasons for the number of 0-0’s is a combination of the above, the personnel he has available to him and quite likely his tactical limitations as a coach.

He needs to find a balance, and that may require strengthening the personnel department and certainly requires him looking at his own tactical approach to games. But claiming that he is happy with drawing every game 0-0 is just dishonest and I think you know that.

I don't think you quite understand what I mean. I'm not saying that he actively pursues a 0-0 and orders his players not to score. What I am saying is that if we have a game which is inevitably heading towards 0-0, he is happy to let that game meander to its inevitable conclusion (even if it's QPR at home) rather than do something to try and change it. If it's 0-0 with 20 minutes to go, he is satisfied to let it finish 0-0.

[Rileybobs]

I don't think you quite understand what I mean. I'm not saying that he actively pursues a 0-0 and orders his players not to score. What I am saying is that if we have a game which is inevitably heading towards 0-0, he is happy to let that game meander to its inevitable conclusion (even if it's QPR at home) rather than do something to try and change it. If it's 0-0 with 20 minutes to go, he is satisfied to let it finish 0-0.

I don’t think it’s me not understanding. You said…

’The reason he won't change anything is that he is happy with 0-0, whoever it is against and whatever the circumstances.’

…which is not the same as what you said above.

[Holtyclaret]

Not a bad Def Leppard album to be fair. A couple of cracking singles from it

Pour some sugar on it why don’t you!

[dsr]

I don’t think it’s me not understanding. You said…

’The reason he won't change anything is that he is happy with 0-0, whoever it is against and whatever the circumstances.’

…which is not the same as what you said above.

Which I have now expanded to clarify exactly what I meant. Sorry for confusion if it wasn't clear.

[Clovius Boofus]

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