Tresor

[Hedontplayforyou]

Can Saudi still buy players? I know the Turkish window is open but the dream for us would be Saudi offering us money obviously . In no world can I see that happening as it’s mental behaviour mind.

[Cirrus_Minor]

My money is on him being on our bench at Southampton with another 15 minutes cameo appearance in the FA cup.

[bumba]

Can Saudi still buy players? I know the Turkish window is open but the dream for us would be Saudi offering us money obviously . In no world can I see that happening as it’s mental behaviour mind.

Closed the Friday before ours closed

[Ric_C]

https://x.com/matt_scrafton/status/1887 ... mWlVQ&s=19

Well that's that

[wilks_bfc]

My money is on him being on our bench at Southampton with another 15 minutes cameo appearance in the FA cup.

I hope nobody took you up on that

[123EasyasBFC]

Interesting how injured he would of been had he got a move to Las Palmas

[Boss Hogg]

I’d love to know what we are paying this guy. An absolute waste of time this signing.

[Vino blanco]

He’ll be like a new marquee signing when he’s fit, he will literally rip this division apart, we have no one to match him for his skill in assists.
I said when I saw him in the PL for his few minutes of stardom he was sh!t and I haven’t changed my mind since.

[fidelcastro]

Lengthy? Presumably to the end of the season then?

[wilks_bfc]

I’d love to know what we are paying this guy. An absolute waste of time this signing.

Rumoured current wage of £20k per week. Factor in a relegation clause of 50% and say previously on £40k

Signed on loan in Sept23
36wk @ £40k = £1,440,000
28wk @ £20k = £560,000

So that £2,000,000 in wages so far for a total playing time of 623 minutes which is £3,210 PER MINUTE

And that doesn’t take in the £15m transfer fee, which I’m assuming paid a third of (1yr of 3yr deal) so I’d say he’s “cost” us £7m so far

[Stacks]

Rumoured current wage of £20k per week. Factor in a relegation clause of 50% and say previously on £40k

Signed on loan in Sept23
36wk @ £40k = £1,440,000
28wk @ £20k = £560,000

So that £2,000,000 in wages so far for a total playing time of 623 minutes which is £3,210 PER MINUTE

And that doesn’t take in the £15m transfer fee, which I’m assuming paid a third of (1yr of 3yr deal) so I’d say he’s “cost” us £7m so far

Jay was on 40k per too…for 5 mins a game lol. We made 20 min on W.O. All good

[wilks_bfc]

Jay was on 40k per too…for 5 mins a game lol. We made 20 min on W.O. All good

Difference with Jay though, was he was available and willing to play, being named in the matchday squads

[Taffy on the wing]

Bummer!.........I was looking forward to seeing him play again Saturday.

[Bacchus]

There are a lot of people jumping to a lot of conclusions around Tresor based on no information whatsoever. It's just possible that the guy has genuinely had a serious illness, so unless anyone confirms otherwise maybe some of the accusations should be reigned in a bit. The whole sitting at home, smoking his pipe, counting the wonga narrative doesn't really fit with him playing with the reserves in a cup tie for a start.

As for what he's cost us, I'm sure the club has an insurance policy to offset the cost of injured players. The club can't just not pay him unless there is a breach of contract, and nor should they try to. If there has been a breach, I'm sure the club would be acting on that accordingly.

[warksclaret]

Only have ourselves to blame
We had him on loan for almost a full season then still signed him permanently-we needed to be smarter and found a way out
Now it’s going to cost us a fortune

[fidelcastro]

There are a lot of people jumping to a lot of conclusions around Tresor based on no information whatsoever. It's just possible that the guy has genuinely had a serious illness, so unless anyone confirms otherwise maybe some of the accusations should be reigned in a bit. The whole sitting at home, smoking his pipe, counting the wonga narrative doesn't really fit with him playing with the reserves in a cup tie for a start.

As for what he's cost us, I'm sure the club has an insurance policy to offset the cost of injured players. The club can't just not pay him unless there is a breach of contract, and nor should they try to. If there has been a breach, I'm sure the club would be acting on that accordingly.

If he's had a serious illness, then why can't the club confirm this? We don't have to know the minutae of it all, but a simple statement or update would have sufficed.

In this latest bulletin though, we are being told he is injured, but given the lack of information and Pace's comments at the fans' forum, it is no wonder everyone is either confused or sceptical about the accuracy.

[fidelcastro]

Only have ourselves to blame
We had him on loan for almost a full season then still signed him permanently-we needed to be smarter and found a way out
Now it’s going to cost us a fortune

Wasn't it an obligation to buy?

Maybe it just wasn't legally possible to pull the plug on the deal?

[JackT93]

Good possibility that we are playing along with his 'injury' or 'illness' so that his wages are paid through the insurance company. We don't want him here, and he doesn't want to be here so I guess it works for both parties considering the situation.

[Vegas Claret]

Good possibility that we are playing along with his 'injury' or 'illness' so that his wages are paid through the insurance company. We don't want him here, and he doesn't want to be here so I guess it works for both parties considering the situation.

surely the Reading game kills that theory ?

[DCWat]

It could all be put to bed with some more detail, of course.

However, what we don’t know (and shouldn’t unless the club and player deem it OK for us to know) is what the illness(es) and / or injury(ies) are, or were.

The club could probably release more information, without going into specifics. In saying that, the club might be protecting an asset, or the player may not wish for his personal information to be shared in the public domain.

For all we know, and some rumours suggest it to be the case, he could have been seriously ill and is still trying to regain fitness. The bloke could be doing everything in his power to get fit and resurrect his career, with us. We just don’t know and everything is pure speculation, tinged with animosity (justifiable or not).

The whole thing has been somewhat bizarre, perhaps not helped by Pace’s comments at the fans forum.

Ultimately, it’s a real shame. There’s a player in there, who if he was fit and fired up, would be a huge asset to us this season and beyond. We’re losing out as a club and it ain’t doing much for his career either.

If he’s doing everything he can, not to play for us, as has been suggested, he’s probably being pretty poorly advised.

[JackT93]

surely the Reading game kills that theory ?

Could have been a last chance to put him in the shop window before the end of the transfer period. Who knows, either way it's a very bizarre situation.

[boatshed bill]

Good possibility that we are playing along with his 'injury' or 'illness' so that his wages are paid through the insurance company. We don't want him here, and he doesn't want to be here so I guess it works for both parties considering the situation.

I think any insurance company would need proof of either before paying out.

[Row x]

Interesting how injured he would of been had he got a move to Las Palmas

That was fake

[JarrowClaret]

If he's had a serious illness, then why can't the club confirm this? We don't have to know the minutae of it all, but a simple statement or update would have sufficed.

In this latest bulletin though, we are being told he is injured, but given the lack of information and Pace's comments at the fans' forum, it is no wonder everyone is either confused or sceptical about the accuracy.

Parker has confirmed this in previous press conferences, clearly this is different or could it be part of the same thing no idea. I agree that the Club, Chairman or Manager need to come out and tell us something that kills all the pointless and inane speculation that helps absolutely nobody.

[Vegas Claret]

not often a move goes this badly wrong

[fidelcastro]

Parker has confirmed this in previous press conferences, clearly this is different or could it be part of the same thing no idea. I agree that the Club, Chairman or Manager need to come out and tell us something that kills all the pointless and inane speculation that helps absolutely nobody.

Did he? I remember being told he was back in training in September.

I thought that was after the apparent illness?

I don't know. I give up.

[Luppy]

In fairness though to him, his hair has always looked immaculate throughout, he's go great matching ear rings and he's got to be the best dressed player in the EFL - by a mile. Surely that's worth something......

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

surely the Reading game kills that theory ?

Presume he came on in Reading game to prove he was ‘fit’ as the club hoped someone would take him in January.

[Goliath]

I wonder if there's a chance we just mutually cancel the contract. It'd be a big blow for such an expensive signing but it's all just getting silly now

[rexe78202]

I wonder if there's a chance we just mutually cancel the contract. It'd be a big blow for such an expensive signing but it's all just getting silly now

That would be a ludicrous decision which thankfully the club would never entertain.

[me01jh]

Don't panic everyone, we've still got JonJo Shelvey's pass to cling on to.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Just replied on X to Matt Scrafton saying it is the silence that is odd, almost like there is a legal threat over it all.

A vacuum gets filled, and I can’t see that being good for the club, all this speculation.

My own guess is some kind of complication after the illness which is why after half an hour at Reading he looks struggling, and he now thinks he can’t even do that. Maybe some coaches in the club feel he can, and there is an impasse?

What seems certain is that everyone in the football world will know, it is only us who don’t, so I don’t see anything as protecting his future value. Half the players amd staff will be gossiping about it for a start, human nature.

[Stonehouse]

Good possibility that we are playing along with his 'injury' or 'illness' so that his wages are paid through the insurance company. We don't want him here, and he doesn't want to be here so I guess it works for both parties considering the situation.

I can’t imagine any insurance company paying out for a player who is ill or has different injuries,paying out for players who are having to retire yes ,but the premiums would be enormous for players being out medium to long term.stand to be corrected if someone knows different.

[Alanstevensonsgloves]

His Belgian stats are phenomenal...

Taken from this article on him.... https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/burnl ... eam-squad/

[MrTopTier]

Not sure why this thread on Tresor is still ongoing.

The amount of nonsense and speculation on it just supports the pointlessness of social media.

If he or the club want people to know their business then that is up to him and the club.

First and foremost he is a human and his health and welfare comes first. That’s it.

[jrgbfc]

And we committed to a 4 year deal? Fantastic

[Bacchus]

If he's had a serious illness, then why can't the club confirm this? We don't have to know the minutae of it all, but a simple statement or update would have sufficed.

In this latest bulletin though, we are being told he is injured, but given the lack of information and Pace's comments at the fans' forum, it is no wonder everyone is either confused or sceptical about the accuracy.

I don't know why anyone would assume they have the right to know. The club have said he's unavailable, they're not obliged to publicise an employee's medical condition to satisfy the curiosity of supporters.

He played a bit against Reading, didn't appear to lack for effort but obviously lacked fitness. This stacks up with what the club have said previously. Being fit enough to train isn't the same as being fit enough to play.

Maybe a guy who had the drive and ambition to become a pro footballer & play for his country has simply decided to sack it all off at the age of 24 and settle for what he has. Who knows? Would seem odd though. If he simply didn't want to be here surely he'd have sorted himself a move like all the others did rather than effectively retiring by refusing to play for a couple of years.

Some people seem desperate to assume the worst of any situation just so that they can complain and make accusations. Why not just accept that he's unavailable and that the club will be handling it appropriately?

[NewClaret]

Rumoured current wage of £20k per week. Factor in a relegation clause of 50% and say previously on £40k

Signed on loan in Sept23
36wk @ £40k = £1,440,000
28wk @ £20k = £560,000

So that £2,000,000 in wages so far for a total playing time of 623 minutes which is £3,210 PER MINUTE

And that doesn’t take in the £15m transfer fee, which I’m assuming paid a third of (1yr of 3yr deal) so I’d say he’s “cost” us £7m so far

Doubt he’ll be on anywhere near £20k.

Sources differ on his salary. Spotrac has him down as $520k per annum, for example. Not sure if the $ vs £ is relevant. The discrepancy could be that he was on £20k in the premier league and £10k now. That might make sense.

He was reported to be on €90k per year at Genk so I would be shocked if we’d agreed to pay him £2m a year in the premier league. This is one of the big advantages of European talent - their wages are much lower in comparison.

Ditto I’d be surprised if all of the fee was guaranteed and not heavily performance-related. Gibson was the same. Fee was £15m but widely reported we only paid £8m because he never played.

He’s costing a lot whatever, just doubt it will be as bad as this.

Even if they were that high though, the club have to pay injured players like Beyer, Ramsey and Redmond while out injured. And in the past they’ve picked up much bigger salaries from the likes of Long and Lowton, or even Cork, Barnes and Jay, when they’ve been out of favour and not playing. I know they are very different circumstances, but take the emotion out of it and it’s the same outcome - just a cost of running a football club.

[fidelcastro]

I don't know why anyone would assume they have the right to know. The club have said he's unavailable, they're not obliged to publicise an employee's medical condition to satisfy the curiosity of supporters.

He played a bit against Reading, didn't appear to lack for effort but obviously lacked fitness. This stacks up with what the club have said previously. Being fit enough to train isn't the same as being fit enough to play.

Maybe a guy who had the drive and ambition to become a pro footballer & play for his country has simply decided to sack it all off at the age of 24 and settle for what he has. Who knows? Would seem odd though. If he simply didn't want to be here surely he'd have sorted himself a move like all the others did rather than effectively retiring by refusing to play for a couple of years.

Some people seem desperate to assume the worst of any situation just so that they can complain and make accusations. Why not just accept that he's unavailable and that the club will be handling it appropriately?

I'd already indicated that we don't need to know the exact details of his apparent illness, but a bit of clarity when he returned to training back in September would have helped all of us and stopped a lot of the wild speculation about him being on strike etc.

We'll just have to take the club's word for it now that he's got a long term injury, but none of the sorry saga adds up.

[Jakubclaret]

Not sure why this thread on Tresor is still ongoing.

The amount of nonsense and speculation on it just supports the pointlessness of social media.

If he or the club want people to know their business then that is up to him and the club.

First and foremost he is a human and his health and welfare comes first. That’s it.

It's everybody's business to a certain degree the people that contribute to his wage. If I ring work up sick the first thing they ask me - what is wrong with you? I don't think the reply that it's none of their business would go down too well. If it's personal just say so be candid about it.

[Dark Cloud]

Other players have long term injuries (Beyer, Ramsey, Redmond, Benson) but none seem to be cloaked in the secrecy which surrounds Tresor. Other players are reasonably open and post updates now and then on social media etc. I know we don't have a "right" to personal and private information, especially medical stuff, but it seems strange how players at Burnley and elsewhere are quite happy to share things and yet MT isn't. Having said that, we have to accept that it COULD be something really serious he's battling or struggling with which he simply doesn't want out there in the public domain.

[boatshed bill]

It's everybody's business to a certain degree the people that contribute to his wage. If I ring work up sick the first thing they ask me - what is wrong with you? I don't think the reply that it's none of their business would go down too well. If it's personal just say so be candid about it.

Here we go, the old "we supporters pay their wages" card.
I think Sky pay the majority don't they?

[Jakubclaret]

Here we go, the old "we supporters pay their wages" card.
I think Sky pay the majority don't they?

I did say to a degree. Whether it's tickets or merchandise it's money that contributes. A football shirt that costs probably no more than £5 to make in china or a similar country the excess of £75 or so helps to pay his wages. Maybe not that profit margin as PL prices.

[boatshed bill]

I did say to a degree. Whether it's tickets or merchandise it's money that contributes. A football shirt that costs probably no more than £5 to make in china or a similar country the excess of £75 or so helps to pay his wages.

I don't think we should look at this on an individual basis.
Paying for a season ticket, or buying a shirt, doesn't give anyone the right to inside inforrmation on a player's circumstances.

[ClaretPete001]

What's the point of the club making a statement when people don't believe him, or don't listen or can't remember 10 minutes after he said it.

The Chairman gave a clear statement.

[Jakubclaret]

I don't think we should look at this on an individual basis.
Paying for a season ticket, or buying a shirt, doesn't give anyone the right to inside inforrmation on a player's circumstances.

Let's agree to disagree. I think people are more than entitled to know the exact nature of MTs absence & are also within their rights to question things that appear suspicious.

[Jakubclaret]

What's the point of the club making a statement when people don't believe him, or don't listen or can't remember 10 minutes after he said it.

The Chairman gave a clear statement.

The length of the absence & crucially his outspoken desire to be somewhere else are valid reasons to doubt.

[boatshed bill]

Let's agree to disagree. I think people are more than entitled to know the exact nature of MTs absence & are also within their rights to question things that appear suspicious.

Fair enough.

[ClaretPete001]

The length of the absence & crucially his outspoken desire to be somewhere else are valid reasons to doubt.

He didn't say that but I think if you drew that inference you would much closer than presuming he is injured or has some other health issue preventing him from playing.

It was somewhat of a surprising admission but I guess the assumption is that he has all but given up on Tresor and saw little prejudice just saying it as it is. 'Tresor is fit, the club wants him to play but Tresor doesn't feel able to for reasons unknown to the Chairman'

[Hedontplayforyou]

What a saga