Penalty Shout

[dvalley69]

That can be part of the evaluation, yes.

It's gonna be interesting looking at fouls for the rest of the season: light fouls vs. strong fouls...

[DCWat]

It's gonna be interesting looking at fouls for the rest of the season: light fouls vs. strong fouls...

Why is it?

I wouldn’t classify that challenge as either light or strong. Defender goes in for a tackle (not on either end of the strong tackle spectrum) and fortuitously gets a touch on the ball.

We didn’t get a penalty, we shouldn’t have got a penalty.

[ecc]

I thought Edwards made a meal of it and that influenced the ref's decision.

[dvalley69]

Why is it?

I wouldn’t classify that challenge as either light or strong. Defender goes in for a tackle (not on either end of the strong tackle spectrum) and fortuitously gets a touch on the ball.

We didn’t get a penalty, we shouldn’t have got a penalty.

Disagree. That's why it's gonna be interesting. It was a foul. And the previous poster outlined that force in a challenge is a deciding factor. If the PNE player had gone in harder and been deemed more dangerous it would've been a foul regardless of him touching the ball. That is a nonsense if that's the interpretation of a foul. Similar fouls to today's ARE GONNA TAKE PLACE in other areas of the pitch. I'll be waiting for posters like you to start moaning about refs' decisions in due course.

[Ric_C]

Put it this way, it was more of a pen than either of the ones that Sunderland got against us.

Think over the last few weeks a few teams have been massively getting the rub of the green (Sheff Utd, Sunderland, Coventry) whilst I think we've had our fair share of atrocious refs and bad luck. The pen at Portsmouth was a stonewaller for example.

Hopefully we will get the rub of the green again as this season is going to be defined by fine margins.

[Darnhill Claret]

A trip is a penalty offence.
Intent or lack of intent has no bearing on the decision. Intentional or accidental makes no difference.
The defender's contact with Edward's right foot, trips him up, by direct contact.
In my opinion a penalty should have been awarded.
Edwards was not on his way down before the contact.
I think it might be on Monday's Ref Watch.
Only my opinion.

[Wembley09]

At the time I thought it was a clear penalty.
But after seeing it on TV/online, I hate to say it.. but the referee was right. But did he genuinely see it like that or just get lucky?

All those who who feel aggrieved, I bet you weren't bothered when Preston had that goal wrongly ruled out at the Turf earlier on in the season.. swings and roundabouts.

Foster could and should have won us the game today, not some penalty decision.

[bumba]

At the time I thought it was a clear penalty.
But after seeing it on TV/online, I hate to say it.. but the referee was right. But did he genuinely see it like that or just get lucky?

All those who who feel aggrieved, I bet you weren't bothered when Preston had that goal wrongly ruled out at the Turf earlier on in the season.. swings and roundabouts.

Foster could and should have won us the game today, not some penalty decision.

We'd be one point better off today if the officials got both those decisions correct so every right to be aggrieved.

[Clockwork Claret]

Re posting this because its spot on if people bothered to read it.

Plenty on here, refs and pundits need to learn the rules.

Its a peno all day.

It's a clear penalty, due to the challenge being careless, the attacker was clearly taken out by the sliding defender. The fact that the ball was touched first is completely irrelevant and not stated anywhere in the laws of the game - every pundit should be sent on a course to educate them what is and isn't a foul - they have peddled this ball first nonsense that every fan/player/manager quotes.

The ball being touched first is not in the laws of football and completely irrelevant if the defender is careless (foul), reckless (foul and yellow), or uses excessive force (foul and red card). In this case, he clearly went to ground taking out the player, which in my opinion is careless, a penalty and no card. There is always a level of subjectivity but I think if you take the ball touch out of the equation, it's hard to argue the challenge wasn't careless.

There is a 2nd reason the penalty should have been given and that's because the defender wasn't in control of the ball in the process of the tackle - as Scott said, the attacker played the ball onto him, so the touch wasn't intentional and wasn't a tackle. The attacker clearly is taken out and their progress can't continue onwards - like someone else said, it's a foul everywhere else on the pitch, so should have been given as a penalty.

I'm a Youth Coach and I was educated on this by a referee, and I had for most of my life thought that touching the ball first was the key factor, but it isn't. If you look at the laws and go through the decision making process that the Refs should go through, he's made a mistake, maybe two here, or he's bottled the decision.

[quoonbeatz]

Re posting this because its spot on if people bothered to read it.

Plenty on here, refs and pundits need to learn the rules.

Its a peno all day.

It’s spot on if you want someone to tell you what words are in the law. It’s way off you’re using it to claim that the decision yesterday was wrong.

[Dark Cloud]

It's a penalty all day long. The ball might inadvertently brush his foot as he dives in with both feet, but he's making bloody sure Edwards can't follow the loose ball by completely legging him up in mid stride. It's a stupid lunge challenge in the box which most schoolboys wouldn't even make and he makes sure he takes Edwards down.

[Blue Skies]

There is a first DC ane I on the same page. As quoted further up the thread it was a reckless challenge and he made sure the player couldn't go past him. Penalty all day long. Mine is a Pendleside next time in the Miners mate!

[SouthLondonexile]

The referee made a poor decision and the Sky Pundits gave even poorer punditry saying the defender clearly went for the ball.
Should have been a penalty.

[Dark Cloud]

There is a first DC ane I on the same page. As quoted further up the thread it was a reckless challenge and he made sure the player couldn't go past him. Penalty all day long. Mine is a Pendleside next time in the Miners mate!

No problem with the beer. I'm fairly certain I owe you one! I don't know if you noticed, but you got an honourable mention on the Welsh language thread on here the other day. I did say I believed the lessons were bearing fruit and your Welsh patter was now coming on a treat, but it's those legendary "after dark activities" in the sheep fields where you were likely to be really excelling!

[Robbie_painter]

It’s a clear pen he didn’t win the ball the ball was knocked into him and he clattered into Edward’s.The rules have changed since the 80’s.

[dougcollins]

No way the ref got that right in real time.

He just guessed, and as ever, the line of least resistance is 'no pen'.