Sheff Utd v Leeds match thread

[Vegas Claret]

Off topic but can’t be arsed creating a thread about it… if city are charged with what they are accused of and probably guilty of and get relegated as an outcome ..will only 2 teams get relegated from the prem or is there a chance of 4 teams going up ?

City won't get relegated

[Newcastleclaret93]

Hope so, although QPR have lost four out of their last six games.

True but over 10 games there third most in form team in the league with 6 wins.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Aye, but Sheffield have now lost 6 games. In the end it doesn’t matter how you win your points. (And we’ve only drawn 3 more than them)

KSR is right doesn’t really matter if they lose games because atm Sheffield are likely to win more of the next 12 games than us.

However I am feeling a lot more confident now Edwards is in the side and few of the lads are back from injury.

[NewClaret]

Why did the commentator make out the 3rd goal was a stunning strike when it fact it should have been a routine save most keepers should expect to make?

Agree, it was well struck but poor goalkeeping. Killed the game off for Sheffield United, who might otherwise have put Leeds under pressure for five minutes.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Lets see where Sheff Utd are after the next 5 games for us both.

Qpr (a) - Cardiff (a)
PNE (h) - Luton (h)
Bristol C (h) - WBA (h)
Sheff Weds (a) - Swansea (a)
Coventry (h) - Bristol C (h)

[Newcastleclaret93]

Lets see where Sheff Utd are after the next 5 games for us both.

Qpr (a) - Cardiff (a)
PNE (h) - Luton (h)
Bristol C (h) - WBA (h)
Sheff Weds (a) - Swansea (a)
Coventry (h) - Bristol C (h)

QPR and Coventry for them are a sticky game.

Would like to think we should at least win four of them games

[dandeclaret]

KSR is right doesn’t really matter if they lose games because atm Sheffield are likely to win more of the next 12 games than us.

However I am feeling a lot more confident now Edwards is in the side and few of the lads are back from injury.

Why are they more likely to win more of the next 12 than Burnley?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Why are they more likely to win more of the next 12 than Burnley?

Because they have consistently won more games than us through the first 70% of the season.

[Goliath]

Because they have consistently won more games than us through the first 70% of the season.

They've consistently lost more too.

[AfloatinClaret]

And there was me thinking this boded well for our going up as champions: We should comfortably (by end of March) gain two points on Sheffield, then we just need to keep the results coming through April while watching Leeds' annual implosion.

[dibraidio]

KSR is right doesn’t really matter if they lose games because atm Sheffield are likely to win more of the next 12 games than us.

However I am feeling a lot more confident now Edwards is in the side and few of the lads are back from injury.

They have won more of their last 6 than we have, W4 L2 but we have W3 D3 so we have exactly the same number of points from those games.

If you look at the last 10 they've taken a point more than us. If they continue with the same form for the rest of the season they'll lose 2 more games. They've lost 3 of their last 10. If they replicate that form of winning 7 from 10 they'd be on 91 points with 2 to go. If we continue with our season long form we'll finish on 92 on the last day so it could go right to the wire. A couple of poor performances from either side could be decisive.

Personally I think we're about to hit a run of form and improve on our last 10 games form. We've improved our attacking options and I think we'll turn one or two of those draws (5 in the last 10 games) into wins and really put the pressure on the top 2.

[dandeclaret]

Because they have consistently won more games than us through the first 70% of the season.

Football league tables are not straight line extrapolation.

If they were, every team would finish exactly where they are now. Do you think that will happen?


If not, then you can see why your views on past performance being a perfect indicator of future results is utterly flawed.

[Newcastleclaret93]

They have won more of their last 6 than we have, W4 L2 but we have W3 D3 so we have exactly the same number of points from those games.

If you look at the last 10 they've taken a point more than us. If they continue with the same form for the rest of the season they'll lose 2 more games. They've lost 3 of their last 10. If they replicate that form of winning 7 from 10 they'd be on 91 points with 2 to go. If we continue with our season long form we'll finish on 92 on the last day so it could go right to the wire. A couple of poor performances from either side could be decisive.

Personally I think we're about to hit a run of form and improve on our last 10 games form. We've improved our attacking options and I think we'll turn one or two of those draws (5 in the last 10 games) into wins and really put the pressure on the top 2.

But this where we are not comparing apples to apples. Your logic is if Sheffield continue there form over the last ten and we continue ours over the season we will go up.

I think it will go right down to the wire but I truly believe it will come down to who wins the most of the next 12 games. If Sheffield manage to win 8-9 of the next 12 games it will be really challenging for us. There record this season suggests they will win 8, draw 2 and lose 2. I personally think they will win 8, draw lose 3 looking at the games they have.

I do believe (after Sheff weds) that we will hit form now going into the critical stage of the season. So for me it’s just whether we can win enough of the last 12 to go up

[Newcastleclaret93]

Football league tables are not straight line extrapolation.

If they were, every team would finish exactly where they are now. Do you think that will happen?


If not, then you can see why your views on past performance being a perfect indicator of future results is utterly flawed.

Of course it’s not straight line extrapolation but like I said the other day it gives us a good indication of what they will achieve.

Like I said the season to date has indicated that Sheffield will win more games and that Burnley will lose considerably less.

The next 12 games will have plenty of ups and downs but like I said originally I think it will all come down to whether we can win more games than Sheffield.

[Devils_Advocate]

Sheff Utd take a bit more risk in terms of how they approach their games and chase for wins where as Burnley have started from a much more solid base and look to win games without leaving ourselves as open as other teams to getting caught with a sucker punch.

As a result Sheff Utd tend to win more but also tend to lose more which is why we are pretty much 50/50 on who edges into second. I think based on how the season has gone and how the respective teams approach their games it is fair to say that Sheff Utd are more likely to win more of their games and also more likely to lose more of there games

This doesnt mean it is going to happen as things can change quickly in football but if you're gonna make a call on what is more likely to happen then I dont see what is wrong about the comments made on this

[Anonymous Claret]

City won't get relegated

I thought that for quite a long time but I am not so sure now, especially the way that City have performed this season.

I think that I read somewhere that they can't actually be relegated from the PL as the EFL have no obligation to accept them. The only way that they can be relegated is if they receive a large enough points deduction that causes them to be relegated due to their league position.

They seem to be a team resigned to the fact a big punishment is coming their way. If City are to escape serious punishment for their (alleged) breaking of the rules it will cause a lot or resentment from the other clubs in the league. I cannot see Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd, Newcastle or Spurs for example letting it go if City don't receive a hefty punishment.

I just hope that it is sorted soon.

[ElectroClaret]

I think it will go right down to the wire but I truly believe it will come down to who wins the most of the next 12 games.

Absolutely.
And I'd far rather have our next 12 fixtures than theirs.

[Claretnick]

We have built a solid foundation despite the few bumps in the road. We have now added some quality and excitement into the attack. Hopefully this rubs off on some of the other guys.
So let's take one game at a time and take care of our own results and time our promotion run to perfection...

[deanothedino]

KSR is right doesn’t really matter if they lose games because atm Sheffield are likely to win more of the next 12 games than us.

However I am feeling a lot more confident now Edwards is in the side and few of the lads are back from injury.

Also more likely to lose more than us.

[chekhov]

KSR is right doesn’t really matter if they lose games because atm Sheffield are likely to win more of the next 12 games than us.

We are 2 points behind them!! Who knows if they’re going win more games than us. It doesn’t matter! All we have to do is male up 2 points, whether that’s by drawing games or winning games is immaterial.
Indeed, as you say, they may win more games than we do over the next 12. However, they might also lose more than we do over the next 12 games.

[Vegas Claret]

I thought that for quite a long time but I am not so sure now, especially the way that City have performed this season.

I think that I read somewhere that they can't actually be relegated from the PL as the EFL have no obligation to accept them. The only way that they can be relegated is if they receive a large enough points deduction that causes them to be relegated due to their league position.

They seem to be a team resigned to the fact a big punishment is coming their way. If City are to escape serious punishment for their (alleged) breaking of the rules it will cause a lot or resentment from the other clubs in the league. I cannot see Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd, Newcastle or Spurs for example letting it go if City don't receive a hefty punishment.

I just hope that it is sorted soon.

Spending 200million and giving Haaland a massive contract doesn't smack of a club fearing the worst and lets face it, if they did drop they'd likely get 138 points in the Championship !

[ClaretPete001]

We are 2 points behind them!! Who knows if they’re going win more games than us. It doesn’t matter! All we have to do is male up 2 points, whether that’s by drawing games or winning games is immaterial.
Indeed, as you say, they may win more games than we do over the next 12. However, they might also lose more than we do over the next 12 games.

I have consulted Uncle Vanya and his fragrant wife Yelena and they said: 'Sheffield United' have lost more games than us and currently have 4 more points than us and are second in the table'. Such professorial logic is hard to match aside perhaps from our Vulcan friend My Spock.

Either way, if the status quo continues we come third.

[Row x]

I have consulted Uncle Vanya and his fragrant wife Yelena and they said: 'Sheffield United' have lost more games than us and currently have 4 more points than us and are second in the table'. Such professorial logic is hard to match aside perhaps from our Vulcan friend My Spock.

Either way, if the status quo continues we come third.

I might be missing some attempted humour, but they are 2pts ahead

[Anonymous Claret]

Spending 200million and giving Haaland a massive contract doesn't smack of a club fearing the worst and lets face it, if they did drop they'd likely get 138 points in the Championship !

I think it imaybe a bluff and it protects their main asset should they end up being relegated.
There will be clauses in his contract about relegation as his agent and legal will be fully aware of City's current situation.
As I mentioned earlier if they escape without serious punishment I expect legal action or some kind of revolt from the other clubs who have abided by the rules.

It's just a theory and I could be wrong.

[Luppy]

The positive I took from last night was how unfit Sheff Utd looked.

Hamer looked knackered within 5 minutes of coming on and looks like he's been on the pies. Robinson was blowing out of his rear end before half time, Diaz couldn't track Firpo for opening goal as he was out for the count, Cannon looked like a player not fully fit, Davies the same. Thought Souza had a decent 60 minutes then disappeared. All positive as far as I'm concerned for when they pay us a visit.

Also thought keeper should have done better for the third - good strike but far from being in the corner. May have seen it late so may be doing him an injustice but my first reaction was I'd be disappointed if Trafford let that in.

[equinox]

Would one prefer to be 2 points ahead of Sheffield United but with them still to play at Bramhall Lane or with the circumstances and fixtures as they are?

I know what I'd prefer, this is all falling into place.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Would one prefer to be 2 points ahead of Sheffield United but with them still to play at Bramhall Lane or with the circumstances and fixtures as they are?

I know what I'd prefer, this is all falling into place.

Haha off course you would rather be ahead

Stupid point

[equinox]

Haha off course you would rather be ahead

Stupid point

Why is it stupid?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Why is it stupid?

Off course any supporter would prefer to be 2 points ahead it means you just have to match third place.

Right now we have to win more games than Sheffield.

Why would any supporter want to be in a worst position

[equinox]

I (me, my opinion) think we are in a stronger position than Sheffield United.

[dibraidio]

But this where we are not comparing apples to apples. Your logic is if Sheffield continue there form over the last ten and we continue ours over the season we will go up.

I think it will go right down to the wire but I truly believe it will come down to who wins the most of the next 12 games. If Sheffield manage to win 8-9 of the next 12 games it will be really challenging for us. There record this season suggests they will win 8, draw 2 and lose 2. I personally think they will win 8, draw lose 3 looking at the games they have.

I do believe (after Sheff weds) that we will hit form now going into the critical stage of the season. So for me it’s just whether we can win enough of the last 12 to go up

Position Team Played W....D.....L......GF GA GD Points
1 Sheffield United 10 8 2 0 24 6 +18 26
2 Leeds United ......10 7 2 1 22 8 +14 23
3 Burnley .............10 6 3 1 20 7 +13 21
4 Sunderland ......10 6 3 1 19 8 +11 21

Tried to find the table after 10 games, chatgpt says it was this. Is this right?
Two things of note for me. Sheffield United have picked up 44(46-2) points since and we've picked up 47. The other being that we'd conceded 7 after 10 games!

I agree with you. With 12 games to go if either team manages 8 or 9 wins you'd think they'd get this over the line. On the form of the last 24 games they've 2 wins more than us W14 D4 L6 where we have W12 D11 L1. If you half that you get Sheff Utd W7 D2 L3 (23pts) and Burnley with W6 D5 L1 (23pts) . With the recruitment we've done in the January window I believe we should be able to finish stronger than that but it could to be really tight.

[LaLigaClaret]

Personally I think Sheff Utd will have a negative reaction to the loss against Leeds. I think their performances are over hyped as it is and I truly believe they will start to drop off from now on. I am confident they will drop points against QPR which will put us well and truly in the driving seat. We have a home game against them which I think we will win and as long as we avoid 0-0 draws in our remaining fixtures I believe we will finish second fairly comfortably. I think Leeds will finish around 103/ 104 points I think we will be around 98 /99 points and Sheff Utd 95 / 96 points

[turfmoore]

So, a very real chance that the record set by Leeds last season of 90 points and not achieving promotion will be broken (play-off outcome notwithstanding).

[TsarBomba]

Personally I think Sheff Utd will have a negative reaction to the loss against Leeds. I think their performances are over hyped as it is and I truly believe they will start to drop off from now on. I am confident they will drop points against QPR which will put us well and truly in the driving seat. We have a home game against them which I think we will win and as long as we avoid 0-0 draws in our remaining fixtures I believe we will finish second fairly comfortably. I think Leeds will finish around 103/ 104 points I think we will be around 98 /99 points and Sheff Utd 95 / 96 points

I agree that the Leeds loss will be very damaging.

They’ve not been playing well in recent weeks, either. They were very fortunate at home to Portsmouth, and a team going for automatics shouldn’t be getting pumped 0-3 at home to Hull.

[Devils_Advocate]

Position Team Played W....D.....L......GF GA GD Points
1 Sheffield United 10 8 2 0 24 6 +18 26
2 Leeds United ......10 7 2 1 22 8 +14 23
3 Burnley .............10 6 3 1 20 7 +13 21
4 Sunderland ......10 6 3 1 19 8 +11 21

Tried to find the table after 10 games, chatgpt says it was this. Is this right?
Two things of note for me. Sheffield United have picked up 44(46-2) points since and we've picked up 47. The other being that we'd conceded 7 after 10 games!

Sheff Utd picked up 21 pts in their first 10 games and 51 pts since. In total they picked up 72 pts but had 2 deducted hence they show as 70 pts
Burnley also picked up 21 pts in their first 10 games but just 47 pts since so I think the stats you've based your logic on is incorrect

[Commy]

Sheff Utd picked up 21 pts in their first 10 games and 51 pts since. In total they picked up 72 pts but had 2 deducted hence they show as 70 pts
Burnley also picked up 21 pts in their first 10 games but just 47 pts since so I think the stats you've based your logic on is incorrect

Sheff Utd picked up 26 in their first 10 games.

[dibraidio]

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/cham ... /predicted

This website is predicting that we'll finish on 100 points, 4 points clear of Sheff Utd. That would be a pretty amazing run of 10 wins and 2 draws to finish the season. 33 unbeaten!

[Roosterbooster]

I think Sheff Utd will.... start to drop off from now on
I think Sheff Utd (will finish around) 95 / 96 points

If SU continue their current season's form, won't they finish on 95pts anyway?

[Vince Fontaine]

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/cham ... /predicted

This website is predicting that we'll finish on 100 points, 4 points clear of Sheff Utd. That would be a pretty amazing run of 10 wins and 2 draws to finish the season. 33 unbeaten!

If you look at the predicted results JJ Watt will be playing for the Bengals as we don’t let another goal in for the rest of the season!!!!
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[Vince Fontaine]

Also we have 2 0-0 draws one against Sheffield Utd and the other one?…………………. Derby County!
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[dougcollins]

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/cham ... /predicted

This website is predicting that we'll finish on 100 points, 4 points clear of Sheff Utd. That would be a pretty amazing run of 10 wins and 2 draws to finish the season. 33 unbeaten!

Though, unfortunately, it has the unwashed scraping into the play-offs.

Perfect apart from that.