Shelvey

[Vegas Claret]

huge missed opportunity for all of the lads who don't start, they were all abysmal. We simply have to get promoted because if that's what we are left with once the quality is gone we are ******

[beddie]

When I heard we might be signing him I was hopeful it wouldn’t happen, his legs look to have gone. To be honest I thought the same when I heard about Worral, he also looks far too slow even at this level. Wrong selection today.

[123EasyasBFC]

Are you sure about the Easy after today’s performance?

Yeah in a midfield next to Cullen and brownhill in the 10,

Not in a double pivot with brownhill. Even Cullen and Berge looked bang average in a double pivot with brownhill

[taio]

Unfortunately, he's no longer anywhere near good.enough.

[Boss Hogg]

Got the speed and movement of an articulated lorry. Can pass a ball well and that’s it. Can see why he only got a few minutes at the end of a game before this showing. Does not have the legs or impact for more.

[CaptainKirk]

I might be slow but, what is a “pivot”?
While I am at it, what the hell is a “double pivot”????
Also, what is an “inverted full back”?

[Enola Gay]

Definite whiff of Gazz at Bramhall Lane about his *cough* performance today.

Absolutely miles off it.

[scamander]

That midfield 3 shows our limitations as we had 3 of the attacking midfielder role playing together. No wonder they went through us. Shelvey can be excused a bit more, he needs Cullen/Laurent alongside him so he can exploit the passes and have time. Today he was not often near the ball but looking to receive it in advanced positions which didn't click.

We had three players in midfield who needed solidity next to them, it was akin to playing three wingers in the centre. I think the plan was for Brownhill to sit and recycle the ball which would allow Sarmiento and Shelvey time to play through them - but this failed. I will hold my hands up, Sarmiento wasn't good, though he had a better time of it on the left. I said earlier this season that he'd be great for us and, apart from flashes, he hasn't had the impact I had hoped.

If we lose Laurent or Cullen we are in a lot of trouble.

[wilks_bfc]

I might be slow but, what is a “pivot”?
While I am at it, what the hell is a “double pivot”????
Also, what is an “inverted full back”?

A pivot is another name for the CDM player in front of the 2 CB

A double pivot is when there’s 2 CDMs in front of the 2 CB

An inverted full back, is a fb that moves inside to the centre of midfield

[Silkyskills1]

Yeah in a midfield next to Cullen and brownhill in the 10,

Not in a double pivot with brownhill. Even Cullen and Berge looked bang average in a double pivot with brownhill

So Brownhill to blame for Shelvey'shocking performance. Thought I'd heard and seen most things but evidently I haven't. Perhaps it's the pivots creating issues.

[KRBFC]

You can see why he wasn’t even getting a game in Turkey

[helmclaret]

Far too casual today and too slow on the ball.

[123EasyasBFC]

So Brownhill to blame for Shelvey'shocking performance. Thought I'd heard and seen most things but evidently I haven't. Perhaps it's the pivots creating issues.

Yes I think having brownhill with him 100% played a factor in the performance.

If you had Cullen and Shelvey with brownhill further forward then it would be a great midfield in the championship.

You don’t have to agree though it’s not that deep

[Silkyskills1]

I know how deep it is, it's a bloody game of football.
But back to the issue. You are suggesting a Cullen return will bring about a revitalised, reinvigorated Shelvey dicating the tempo of our game? Just that little tweak and we are on our way. Who knew it was that straightforward?

[Stonehouse]

I know how deep it is, it's a bloody game of football.
But back to the issue. You are suggesting a Cullen return will bring about a revitalised, reinvigorated Shelvey dicating the tempo of our game? Just that little tweak and we are on our way. Who knew it was that straightforward?

Be better with Thomas Shelby ,Shelvey played one raking pass in the final minutes of a game when he made his debut ,he’s done sod all since and I’m sure SP won’t disrupt the midfield to accommodate and old has been.

[CoolClaret]

Definite whiff of Gazz at Bramhall Lane about his *cough* performance today.

Absolutely miles off it.

Absolutely this. Stood pointing at everyone when he himself was utter bobbins.

[Woodleyclaret]

Looked disinterested but then so did Brownhill who I thought was not involved today.

[dvalley69]

And to think most on here were wanting him in replacement of Laurent. Let's leave it to those who see the players day in day out, shall we...

[Ptangyangkipperbang]

In my humble opinion I don't want to see him start a game again for us along with the right back and keeper playing today

[Goliath]

It's a real shame that we blocked Bauress's opportunity of first team action with Shelvey. He'd have made a huge difference today with his energy and unfussy, efficient use of the ball.

I can see why we signed Shelvey as a backup to Cullen but there's a huge difference in what they do. Cullen makes himself available all the time, receives it and moves it on, getting us out of presses without any fuss.

Shelvey wants to get the ball and ping passes everywhere. It has its place as well but we lose control of the midfield if he comes in for Cullen.

[Wokingclaret]

Shame, was hoping he'd come in and run the midfield

[boatshed bill]

He is absolutely not what a BFC midfielder should be.
And Bauress couldn't have done worse had he played sh!te.

[Dark Cloud]

Shelvey is (or certainly was) a class player and should be head and shoulders above the level we're playing at, including today. But he wasn't. He was dreadful and I can only put it down to age, lack of match fitness or the awful pitch, but he was genuinely rubbish!!

[123EasyasBFC]

In my humble opinion I don't want to see him start a game again for us along with the right back and keeper playing today

Should throw Pires into that to but unfortunately we have no choice but to play Pires now

[boatshed bill]

uss.

Shelvey wants to get the ball and ping passes everywhere.

Only when we are winning, IMHO

[dvalley69]

It's a mystery he even got a deal, but I suppose it was for games like today, to give others a rest, and to wind clocks down that he was brought in. Because playing in a tinpot Turkish league, his age and the type of player he is (was never a workhorse even in his prime) there was no logic to this signing. He must have given his max in getting the deal and now is just picking up his pay packet, but he won't be the 1st player to do so. Time to retire if you can't compete with a PNE midfield, pal.

[IanMcL]

I might be slow but, what is a “pivot”?
While I am at it, what the hell is a “double pivot”????
Also, what is an “inverted full back”?

Ballet moves and inbreeding?

[GetIntoEm]

Get him out. Absolute **** taker

[Jakubclaret]

It's a mystery he even got a deal, but I suppose it was for games like today, to give others a rest, and to wind clocks down that he was brought in. Because playing in a tinpot Turkish league, his age and the type of player he is (was never a workhorse even in his prime) there was no logic to this signing. He must have given his max in getting the deal and now is just picking up his pay packet, but he won't be the 1st player to do so. Time to retire if you can't compete with a PNE midfield, pal.

Nothing is a mystery if you subscribe to the notion that pretty much zero research goes into signing players. John Egan what was the point - redmond what he's done (I know about the injury) that's without exploring MT or WW. It's a massive problem the lack of research regarding recruitment.

[boatshed bill]

Nothing is a mystery if you subscribe to the notion that pretty much zero research goes into signing players. John Egan what was the point - redmond what he's done (I know about the injury) that's without exploring MT or WW. It's a massive problem the lack of research regarding recruitment.

it does appear that way.

[Silkyskills1]

Shelvey is (or certainly was) a class player and should be head and shoulders above the level we're playing at, including today. But he wasn't. He was dreadful and I can only put it down to age, lack of match fitness or the awful pitch, but he was genuinely rubbish!!

Do you mean like Zidane or the likes of Modric, De Bruyne or Odegaard?

[dvalley69]

Nothing is a mystery if you subscribe to the notion that pretty much zero research goes into signing players. John Egan what was the point - redmond what he's done (I know about the injury) that's without exploring MT or WW. It's a massive problem the lack of research regarding recruitment.

Turkey is a recurring pattern in these two cases. Whoever goes there is in it for the money and should be never be brought back to England; it's for the graveyard players looking for a final buck.

[Jakubclaret]

Turkey is a recurring pattern in these two cases. Whoever goes there is in it for the money and should be never be brought back to England; it's for the graveyard players looking for a final buck.

Some truth in that you are pretty much on your last legs to be going there in the first place. Aside from that we need fit young hungry players even if it's means time developing them instead of washed up injury stricken veterans. I forgot to add AB to the list before not that he didn't do a job previously & a legend in some folks eyes.

[MT03ALG]

Definite whiff of Gazz at Bramhall Lane about his *cough* performance today.

Absolutely miles off it.

Gazza should have been given a free rule from the halfway line forward on that day.

[Goliath]

Just rewatched the 2nd goal. Look at Shelveys reaction when Brownhill loses the ball. That is a man who really can't be arsed doing the hard yards, it's a joke. We can't have players like that at our club.

[Alan Young]

At least the debate over his song will be put to bed now.

[taio]

Can't for the life in me understand why he isn't getting game time he is a game changer

Yesterday should've clarified it for everyone. He's nowhere near the player he was. It was like playing with ten men at times. He wasn't able to cut it in the Turkish league this season so there was little prospect of him doing it against Championship opposition.

[bumba]

Can't for the life in me understand why he isn't getting game time he is a game changer

Unfortunately changes it in the opposition's favour

[Benson]

Just rewatched the 2nd goal. Look at Shelveys reaction when Brownhill loses the ball. That is a man who really can't be arsed doing the hard yards, it's a joke. We can't have players like that at our club.

Is this the same Shelvey that you claimed should have been brought on to “control the tempo of the game” against the same opponents just two weeks ago?

[Jakubclaret]

Yesterday should've clarified it for everyone. He's nowhere near the player he was. It was like playing with ten men at times. He wasn't able to cut it in the Turkish league this season so there was little prospect of him doing it against Championship opposition.

The people that thought he was a spent force to start with no clarification was needed. It was a giddy camp on here upon the very first rumblings of shelveys name & it was mentioned on here by some that he hadn't done much in turkey & don't expect too much & lo & behold.

[beddie]

What length of contract was he given?

[dougcollins]

I was one of the naysayers, but willing to trust SP and give Shelvey the benefit of the doubt - until yesterday.

[Stonehouse]

What length of contract was he given?

Just until the end of the season I think.

[RVclaret]

Shelvey played quite fine at Southampton, but the game was less intense and physical than yesterday. He also had a better parter in Hannibal alongside him in the pivot than Brownhill, who really struggles in this role. I think the game state Shelvey features in looks more like a tight game when we’re dominating the ball but not breaking through, rather than a pass the parcel, hot potato type of game yesterday was.

[willsclarets]

Poor shelvey. World beater who should be playing more with his own song, to useless has-been in 24 hours.

On a separate note, to be fair to Gazza he was genuinely probably drunk or hungover playing for us.

[BleedingClaret]

Shelvey was simply hung out to dry yesterday
Receiving the ball deep and playing weighted balls into 2 fast and willing wingers a fast and determined centre forward and mixing that with balls to 1 or 2 forward midfielders that craved the ball and or a number 10 that wanted and could take a ball into feet is his forte
Unfortunately Benson and Foster weren’t willing and Koleosho didn’t bomb on he came deep and loses the ball when he runs into traffic
Brownhill usually stands next to Cullen as Cullen finds a pass elsewhere so no help to Shelvey at all, Sarmiento is willing but not much end product
So Shelvey gets the ball looks up and no one’s running, tries to delay so they can make a run and gets caught on the ball, or tries to step past the oncoming player that is closing him down gets caught on the ball eventually plays balls into the space where somebody should be but aren’t and it looks crap
Playing in front of Cullen, receiving the ball in a less precarious position with
Anthony Hannibal Edwards all showing he’d be an option later on in games when we need a goal and are dominating the ball against a retreating sitting in team
I think if he came on with thr protection of McAllister with Salah Nunez Diaz Jota all buzzing round a bewildered defence he’d look mercurial if Trent Alexander Arnold played there for us yesterday he’d look a right numpty hitting the ball long into nobody and getting caught on the ball

[warksclaret]

Unbelievable how so many are writing off Shelvey. He played yesterday in a team that was largely below par, and had no decent fullbacks as an outlet. Against Sheff Wed in just a brief appearance he delivered two tremendous long passes to Foster giving the striker the excellent chance of scoring twice. Bigger worries for me are the inadequacies of Pires and Sonne as back ups and the pace of Worral should we get injuries

[dougcollins]

Perhaps he actually did just stroll around and do **** all?

[BleedingClaret]

Perhaps he actually did just stroll around and do **** all?

Perhaps he showed for the ball looked for the pass didn’t play it cos it wasn’t on so got caught on the ball perhaps he then tried to step past a man but got caught on the ball perhaps he then hit the balls into spaces where players should be attacking but weren’t and to players that should be able to receive and use a ball but can’t perhaps he was played in the wrong position with the wrong players around and in front of him perhaps playing to a negative inferior system than he’s perhaps hasn’t been used to

[Conroy92]

When did we turn into the fan base that slags a player off after one bad performance.

Our support has been rotten this year.