Osmajic

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:24 pm

Charged by the FA over the Hannibal incident.

https://www.thefa.com/news/2025/mar/17/ ... ate-170325

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:28 pm

I’m sure all the Preston fans will still be laughing at his ears-cupped celebration now. What a clever move.

And how admirable has Hannibal been throughout? Full continued support to him of course.

GetIntoEm · Post by **GetIntoEm** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:31 pm

Good news. Absolute ****

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:33 pm

Lets hope for his sake he never plays at the Turf. Be interesting to see if he appeals and if so what he states

Les Lawrence · Post by **Les Lawrence** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:35 pm

Surely this man,if found guilty, should get a banning order,for committing a offense inside a football ground in front of 20000 witnesses,if any Burnley fan had done it they would be banned,what's the difference?

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:39 pm

Good.

Get the **** banned until next season at the very earliest.

blatherwickstattoos · Post by **blatherwickstattoos** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:39 pm

Lifetime ban

Stonehouse · Post by **Stonehouse** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:40 pm

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pureclaret · Post by **pureclaret** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:49 pm

Beagle wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:28 pm
I’m sure all the Preston fans will still be laughing at his ears-cupped celebration now. What a clever move.

And how admirable has Hannibal been throughout? Full continued support to him of course.

If he is found guilty I think that him and Preston club should then be found guilty of trying to incite the Burnley fans . Then he would get a criminal conviction and a further ban and Preston would get a fine for not controlling there players

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:50 pm

No surprise to see their fans on twitter and Facebook are still passionately defending him and making it out like Hannibal is the problem for having the audacity to expose racism on the field. Horrible club.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:12 pm

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:50 pm
No surprise to see their fans on twitter and Facebook are still passionately defending him and making it out like Hannibal is the problem for having the audacity to expose racism on the field. Horrible club.

Just football tribalism West Brom and we did the same for Jay, all Bong did was report what he thought was racism and he was booed to the rafters every time he played against us!

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:20 pm

JarrowClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:12 pm
Just football tribalism West Brom and we did the same for Jay, all Bong did was report what he thought was racism and he was booed to the rafters every time he played against us!

Did Jay physically hold his nose at the time and claimed he said something along the lines of him having bad breath?

It’s certainly more believable than saying “bad man”.

LincsWoldsClaret · Post by **LincsWoldsClaret** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:22 pm

The thing is Osnajic is clearly such a nice guy with an unblemished record of good behaviour

pureclaret · Post by **pureclaret** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:24 pm

JarrowClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:12 pm
Just football tribalism West Brom and we did the same for Jay, all Bong did was report what he thought was racism and he was booed to the rafters every time he played against us!

Ah But Jay was not found guilty , and did not before that go round biting people,

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:37 pm

Presumably, now that he has been charged, the FA have investigated, got all the statements and videos etc and believe there is a case to answer?

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:40 pm

Beagle wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:28 pm
I’m sure all the Preston fans will still be laughing at his ears-cupped celebration now. What a clever move.

And how admirable has Hannibal been throughout? Full continued support to him of course.

Hannibal has been a credit to himself, although I must add that he doesn't appear to have been at the levels he was at since the incident

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:47 pm

pureclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:24 pm
Ah But Jay was not found guilty , and did not before that go round biting people,

Has he been found guilty?

I thought the process was they charge him based on the statements taken and he gets the opportunity to dispute it with his teams evidence? Might be totally wrong and not understanding the process but I thought that’s what I heard on the radio earlier

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:00 pm

Any 'normal' employee would lose their job, if found guilty.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:06 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:20 pm
Did Jay physically hold his nose at the time and claimed he said something along the lines of him having bad breath?

It’s certainly more believable than saying “bad man”.

The point isn’t whether Jay was guilty or not, it’s that a lot of Burnley fans booed a player for reporting what he believed to be racist abuse.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:12 pm

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:50 pm
No surprise to see their fans on twitter and Facebook are still passionately defending him and making it out like Hannibal is the problem for having the audacity to expose racism on the field. Horrible club.

Let's face it, IF he's found guilty, then their fans will still defend him.

Football tribalism is pathetic.

Anonymous Claret · Post by **Anonymous Claret** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:21 pm

Just because he has been charged doesn't mean that he is guilty. I think that he is btw but that is only my opinion based on the circumstantial evidence.
Hannibal's reaction, Osmajic claiming that he said 'bad man' and his previous form of biting lead me to believe he is guilty.
However as there appears to be no other corroborating evidence such as a witness or clear video evidence of what Osmajic said I would reluctantly clear him.
It is a very dangerous precedent that is set when someone is found guilty based on the balance of probability rather than beyond reasonable doubt.
He will probably be found guilty because a poster put on here a month or so ago that the FA works on the balance of probability. When it is something as serious as this I don't think that the FA should use that as their guidance.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:23 pm

Out of interest, and in theory, could this end up in the courts like the Terry/Ferdinand incident did?

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:25 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:06 pm
The point isn’t whether Jay was guilty or not, it’s that a lot of Burnley fans booed a player for reporting what he believed to be racist abuse.

Is it not. Soz

Stonehouse · Post by **Stonehouse** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:44 pm

Surely the FA wouldn’t charge a player when it’s one guy’s word against another and you would have thought that they’d have sufficient video evidence as using other people as witnesses isn’t foolproof on a crowded football ground and things can easily be misheard.

HahaYeah · Post by **HahaYeah** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:44 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:06 pm
The point isn’t whether Jay was guilty or not, it’s that a lot of Burnley fans booed a player for reporting what he believed to be racist abuse.

How do you know that's why they booed him?

Happen they booed Bong because they thought he made up the accusation to get Jay Rod in trouble.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:00 pm

HahaYeah wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:44 pm
How do you know that's why they booed him?

Happen they booed Bong because they thought he made up the accusation to get Jay Rod in trouble.

Well that would be equally as stupid of them.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:18 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:06 pm
The point isn’t whether Jay was guilty or not, it’s that a lot of Burnley fans booed a player for reporting what he believed to be racist abuse.

Completely different scenarios as Jays was clear as day on TV/video that he said his breath smelt, from the first moment you saw the clip you knew it wasn't racist.
Bong had made it up.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:24 pm

Edit. Duplicate.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:25 pm

bumba wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:18 pm
Completely different scenarios as Jays was clear as day on TV/video that he said his breath smelt, from the first moment you saw the clip you knew it wasn't racist.
Bong had made it up.

Even if there was proof that Rodriguez hadn’t racially abused Bong, which there wasn’t, it’s quite a leap to claim that Bong had made it up. And booing him for reporting what he thought was racist abuse is as stupid as the PNE fans who would boo Hannibal.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:34 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:20 pm
Did Jay physically hold his nose at the time and claimed he said something along the lines of him having bad breath?

It’s certainly more believable than saying “bad man”.

Not about what is more believable a Burnley fan will always believe a Burnley players account same as any teams fans. It is purely about A foreign player reported what he thought was racism and in the case of Bong Burnley fans booed him for doing it and in this case the Preston fans would do the same.

I have no idea what the truth is and it is very possible that he said what Hannibal thinks he said, but what is so unbelievable about a foreigner who doesn’t speak good English saying bad man? If it was a native/ good English speaker there would be no argument!

GetIntoEm · Post by **GetIntoEm** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:35 pm

Anti-depressant squad out in full force again, jay didn't do anything, and was found innocent. No comparison.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:37 pm

pureclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:24 pm
Ah But Jay was not found guilty , and did not before that go round biting people,

No he wasn’t the result was not proven as there wasn’t enough evidence to prove him guilty or innocent. I don’t think what he said was ever doubted it was the context that it was meant in that was questioned.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:38 pm

bumba wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:18 pm
Completely different scenarios as Jays was clear as day on TV/video that he said his breath smelt, from the first moment you saw the clip you knew it wasn't racist.
Bong had made it up.

Mate Bong didn’t make it up it was clear it was his belief that Jay meant it in a racist manner.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:39 pm

Stonehouse wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:44 pm
Surely the FA wouldn’t charge a player when it’s one guy’s word against another and you would have thought that they’d have sufficient video evidence as using other people as witnesses isn’t foolproof on a crowded football ground and things can easily be misheard.

They charged Jay when it was 1 persons word against another’s

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:43 pm

JarrowClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:34 pm
Not about what is more believable a Burnley fan will always believe a Burnley players account same as any teams fans. It is purely about A foreign player reported what he thought was racism and in the case of Bong Burnley fans booed him for doing it and in this case the Preston fans would do the same.

I have no idea what the truth is and it is very possible that he said what Hannibal thinks he said, but what is so unbelievable about a foreigner who doesn’t speak good English saying bad man? If it was a native/ good English speaker there would be no argument!

Each to their own.
One person’s account matched the exact movements he made at the time.

The other is claiming he said something that no footballer has ever said to another footballer at any level of football, in the history of football.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:44 pm

Osmajic was walking directly to camera when he spoke. Any half decent lip-reader could translate accurately.

SirBob · Post by **SirBob** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:48 pm

JarrowClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:38 pm
Mate Bong didn’t make it up it was clear it was his belief that Jay meant it in a racist manner.

People believe the earth is flat it doesn’t make it any less stupid or factually wrong.

Benson · Post by **Benson** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:50 pm

JarrowClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:37 pm
No he wasn’t the result was not proven as there wasn’t enough evidence to prove him guilty or innocent. I don’t think what he said was ever doubted it was the context that it was meant in that was questioned.

If there wasn’t enough evidence to prove him guilty, he’s innocent.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:55 pm

Benson wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:50 pm
If there wasn’t enough evidence to prove him guilty, he’s innocent.

Just think that through for a moment.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:56 pm

Benson wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:50 pm
If there wasn’t enough evidence to prove him guilty, he’s innocent.

You missed a bit of what I said there was not enough evidence to prove him guilty or innocent, result was not proven. As it happens I believe Jays said but that isn’t the point it is the reaction of Burnley fans to this is as bad as Brighton’s fans were with Jay and the reaction of Preston’s fans here is as Brad as the Burnley/ West Brom fans at the time.

Some of us are saying that he is guilty already when he could be innocent and Preston fans are sticking up for someone who could be guilty of racism both are the wirst side of football fans

CharlieinNewMexico · Post by **CharlieinNewMexico** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:59 pm

Anonymous Claret wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:21 pm
Just because he has been charged doesn't mean that he is guilty. I think that he is btw but that is only my opinion based on the circumstantial evidence.
Hannibal's reaction, Osmajic claiming that he said 'bad man' and his previous form of biting lead me to believe he is guilty.
However as there appears to be no other corroborating evidence such as a witness or clear video evidence of what Osmajic said I would reluctantly clear him.
It is a very dangerous precedent that is set when someone is found guilty based on the balance of probability rather than beyond reasonable doubt.
He will probably be found guilty because a poster put on here a month or so ago that the FA works on the balance of probability. When it is something as serious as this I don't think that the FA should use that as their guidance.

He wouldn’t be getting charged if there wasn’t more evidence. You just haven’t seen it yet

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:01 pm

SirBob wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:48 pm
People believe the earth is flat it doesn’t make it any less stupid or factually wrong.

What has that got to do with it? He may have been wrong but why is he in the wrong for reporting what he thought was correct?

Yeh Preston fan base would say the same about Hannibal!

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:05 pm

CharlieinNewMexico wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:59 pm
He wouldn’t be getting charged if there wasn’t more evidence. You just haven’t seen it yet

That's where I'm heading.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:17 pm

CharlieinNewMexico wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:59 pm
He wouldn’t be getting charged if there wasn’t more evidence. You just haven’t seen it yet

You could be correct, but Jay was also charged for the Bong incident it is best to just take a step back and wait for that evidence or the verdict to be known

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:36 pm

He didn’t get an immediate ban for being caught speeding on a camera. Some lawyers are worse than the criminals

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:41 pm

PNE still one step short of Liverpool’s shenanigans wearing T-Shirts to support Suarez, who openly admitted he had called Evra ‘negrito’.

Osmajic clearly of the same characteristic volition as Suarez and hopefully receives a similar length ban.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:48 pm

There may be a chance a lip reader (if there is footage) could confirm what Osmajic said

Darnhill Claret · Post by **Darnhill Claret** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:50 pm

I've always thought that Jay probably did some rhyming of Bong and Pong, just a little bit of 'unconscious racism' as it is sometimes known. No racist offence intended. Just A stab in the dark, but my guesswork.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 10:16 pm

JarrowClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:17 pm
You could be correct, but Jay was also charged for the Bong incident it is best to just take a step back and wait for that evidence or the verdict to be known

We'll never know for certain regarding jay & bong & this incident regarding hannibal. The concept of deciding things on the balance of probability doesn't sit comfortably with me because I like things to be decided on a 100% basis not he said this & he said that. If you have irrefutable evidence show it & charge him.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Mar 17, 2025 10:27 pm

Darthlaw wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 17, 2025 9:41 pm
PNE still one step short of Liverpool’s shenanigans wearing T-Shirts to support Suarez, who openly admitted he had called Evra ‘negrito’.

Osmajic clearly of the same characteristic volition as Suarez and hopefully receives a similar length ban.

Negrito isn’t racism in South American culture.