Joey Barton

[Casper2]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj92k80m7llo

Found guilty of kicking his wife in the head , amazingly no prison sentence.

[Goliath]

Tosser. Glad the club seems to have completely distanced itself from him.

[Rowls]

Horrendous behaviour.

[MrTopTier]

A despicable scumbag, should have got time.

[gtclaret]

That's his football career over,and probably any media work as well

[Venkys4eva]

That's his football career over,and probably any media work as well

Maybe but his marriage isn't because they are still together..

[bpgburn]

Maybe but his marriage isn't because they are still together..

Tell Mrs, Barton, what first attracted you to the wife beating thug Joey?

[ksrclaret]

Incredible that the nasty, vicious scumbag is not currently locked up. He needs taking away from the rest of society ASAP.

[agreenwood]

Truly amazing that on the day he was facing court action on allegations of domestic violence that he reverted to his populist anti female pundit shtick.

He’s a ******* awful human being.

[Croydon Claret]

Whilst he was with us it's difficult to understand if we just got lucky or Dyche was an amazing man manager. Romanticism makes me lean towards the latter, and I hope that's the case, but I guess we'll never know for sure

[BurnleyFC]

A grade A bellend and a woman beating one at that.

[IanMcL]

Whilst he was with us it's difficult to understand if we just got lucky or Dyche was an amazing man manager. Romanticism makes me lean towards the latter, and I hope that's the case, but I guess we'll never know for sure

Without doubt, Joseph needed to feel wanted and know he had played his part in something great, for us. Mr Dyche and Joseph's team mates, ensured that.

Alone, without help, he is extremely vulnerable.

[agreenwood]

He’s now been found guilty of:

Leaving a team mate unconscious and with a suspected detached retina during a training session.

Leaving another man unconscious and attacking a teenage boy on the same night out.

Kicking his wife in the head.

He’s also been arrested for several other alleged offences, settled a civil claim brought by a Man City youth team player who alleged he stubbed out a cigar in his eye, been banned twice for breaking football gambling rules, settled a civil claim against him for libel and is still facing criminal charges for making malicious communications against two separate inviduals.

Apparently he “talks a lot of sense” though.

[agreenwood]

Whilst he was with us it's difficult to understand if we just got lucky or Dyche was an amazing man manager. Romanticism makes me lean towards the latter, and I hope that's the case, but I guess we'll never know for sure

I think most of us just looked the other way, me included.

I won’t be doing it again.

[agreenwood]

Without doubt, Joseph needed to feel wanted and know he had played his part in something great, for us. Mr Dyche and Joseph's team mates, ensured that.

Alone, without help, he is extremely vulnerable.

Painting Barton as a victim is a take I suppose.

[IanMcL]

Definitely a victim of his entire upbringing.

He did extremely well to avoid the drug s energy and make it as an international footballer.

[ClaretTony]

He’s now been found guilty of:

Leaving a team mate unconscious and with a suspected detached retina during a training session.

Leaving another man unconscious and attacking a teenage boy on the same night out.

Kicking his wife in the head.

He’s also been arrested for several other alleged offences, settled a civil claim brought by a Man City youth team player who alleged he stubbed out a cigar in his eye, been banned twice for breaking football gambling rules, settled a civil claim against him for libel and is still facing criminal charges for making malicious communications against two separate inviduals.

Apparently he “talks a lot of sense” though.

Hard to believe now how we had no problems with him at all. He was as good as gold with us and during the time of his suspension I chatted with him at an u23 game at Curzon Ashton and went to his Evening with event at Colne when he was brilliant.

His behaviour now is absolutely shocking as it was so often long before we signed him. He’s a very bright individual but he can’t keep himself under any sort of control. Thankfully now his days in football are over.

[ClaretTony]

Definitely a victim of his entire upbringing.

He did extremely well to avoid the drug s energy and make it as an international footballer.

Anything but a victim.

[TsarBomba]

I don’t know the ins and outs of this case, but I’d be interested to know how the incident came to light and if Mrs Barton supported action, or if CPS went with a victimless prosecution.

One thing you can be certain of though is this won’t be the first or last time.

[willsclarets]

His arrogance is staggering. Complete an utter idiot.

[dougcollins]

I think most of us just looked the other way, me included.

I won’t be doing it again.

It didn't feel that way at the time.

Were there any specific incidents, at the time, when we looked the other way?

[ClaretTony]

I don’t know the ins and outs of this case, but I’d be interested to know how the incident came to light and if Mrs Barton supported action, or if CPS went with a victimless prosecution.

One thing you can be certain of though is this won’t be the first or last time.

A bit of info here

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj92k80m7llo

[Bordeauxclaret]

It didn't feel that way at the time.

Were there any specific incidents, at the time, when we looked the other way?

The Lincoln game was as close to he came as a recall. He pretty much ditched his Twitter account for that period as well.

It won’t be long until he takes his rage out on someone again.
It’s probably a good job for society that he was good at football.

[agreenwood]

It didn't feel that way at the time.

Were there any specific incidents, at the time, when we looked the other way?

To be fair, several people made it clear that they didn’t want him at the club. I think I took the view that it was behind him and he’d possibly reformed himself. Wishful thinking.

[ClaretTony]

It didn't feel that way at the time.

Were there any specific incidents, at the time, when we looked the other way?

There were no incidents. We just looked the other way at his past.

[Big Vinny K]

Definitely a victim of his entire upbringing.

He did extremely well to avoid the drug s energy and make it as an international footballer.

What on earth are you talking about ?
The guy is a violent thug.
Do we really need to list the violent crimes he has committed so far in his pathetic life ?

And now in between court appearances he spends his sad existence pedalling racism, misogyny and any other “ism’ you can think of trying to get himself enough click bait to build himself some kind of career as an Andrew Tate disciple.

None of that is anything to do with his upbringing. And he’s about as far away from being a victim as you could possibly imagine.

Let’s not pretend he was an altar boy when he was at Burnley either. We have no idea what he was doing away from the pitch. But his life and what he has done before and after his time at Burnley shows that it’s unlikely he changed because SD made him an omelette.

[Clovius Boofus]

It is not much of a shock that he would turn out to be a wife-beating thug. No doubt he'll still be a hero to those incels types and other lowlife social misfits.

[wilks_bfc]

He’s now been found guilty of:

Leaving a team mate unconscious and with a suspected detached retina during a training session.

Leaving another man unconscious and attacking a teenage boy on the same night out.

Kicking his wife in the head.

He’s also been arrested for several other alleged offences, settled a civil claim brought by a Man City youth team player who alleged he stubbed out a cigar in his eye, been banned twice for breaking football gambling rules, settled a civil claim against him for libel and is still facing criminal charges for making malicious communications against two separate inviduals.

Apparently he “talks a lot of sense” though.

Wasn’t he also accused/charged for assaulting another manager?

[Rileybobs]

It’s not particularly true to suggest there were no incidents whilst he was a Burnley player. After all, he was banned from playing football for 18 months for breaching gambling rules. That’s quite a big incident of misconduct, certainly a bigger incident than any other Burnley player I can remember being involved in.

[ksrclaret]

Definitely a victim of his entire upbringing.

He did extremely well to avoid the drug s energy and make it as an international footballer.

Whilst it’s not without merit to suggest his upbringing has helped to shape the man he is, that simply should not be used as any sort of mitigation when evaluating his violent behaviour as a man in his 40s.

He represents a danger to society and he needs locking up.

[Rowls]

Hard to believe now how we had no problems with him at all. He was as good as gold with us and during the time of his suspension I chatted with him at an u23 game at Curzon Ashton and went to his Evening with event at Colne when he was brilliant.

His behaviour now is absolutely shocking as it was so often long before we signed him. He’s a very bright individual but he can’t keep himself under any sort of control. Thankfully now his days in football are over.

He IS a very bright individual.

We'd be well served as a society to ask ourselves some frank questions about why young men like Joey Barton end up the way they do.

There are clear and consistent indicators in childhood lives that lead people down paths. The key one being a lack of a father.

It's tragic because with Joey, we can see he talent, his intelligence and his ability to articulate. And yet he also has a long history of violent aggression.

I wholeheartedly welcome his conviction and I believe violence like this should have resulted in a custodial sentence. At the same time, and I don't give two hoots if this makes me sound like a bleeding heart lefty, society is failing people like Joey Barton when nobody values or promotes the role of fathers in society.

[Clovius Boofus]

The vast majority of men don't turn out like Barton. I couldn’t give a shite about wife-beating thugs. They are scumbags, and it's about time we held them with the same contempt as we do for others who perpetrate crimes against women and children.

[TheFamilyCat]

He IS a very bright individual.

We'd be well served as a society to ask ourselves some frank questions about why young men like Joey Barton end up the way they do.

There are clear and consistent indicators in childhood lives that lead people down paths. The key one being a lack of a father.

It's tragic because with Joey, we can see he talent, his intelligence and his ability to articulate. And yet he also has a long history of violent aggression.

I wholeheartedly welcome his conviction and I believe violence like this should have resulted in a custodial sentence. At the same time, and I don't give two hoots if this makes me sound like a bleeding heart lefty, society is failing people like Joey Barton when nobody values or promotes the role of fathers in society.

What evidence is there of him being intelligent? The glasses?

[daveisaclaret]

Rowls at his absolute finest banging on about absent fathers despite Joey Barton not having an absent father.

[Burnley1989]

I remember reading his book, and it told me everything I needed to know about him.

He has real victim mentality, he's just not a very nice person, and clearly beer/drugs brings the worst out in him as it does most

[Rowls]

What evidence is there of him being intelligent? The glasses?

The post to which I was replying, for starters. Listening to him talk in detail on various topics is another.

Too many people dismiss people who they disagree with or dislike as being "stupid" or "daft" these days. Joey's capable of spouting complete and utter nonsense just like anybody else.

But unlike dimwits, Joey's capable of having real moments of insight and saying intelligent stuff.

If you're blind or wilfully ignorant to the guy's better qualities that's on you.

[Rowls]

Rowls at his absolute finest banging on about absent fathers despite Joey Barton not having an absent father.

Joey is a special case in every sense of the word.

But there's nothing special about children growing up without fathers or father figures. It's commonplace.

We can choose to address it as a society or we can engage in diversion tactics and look the other way.

[Big Vinny K]

What evidence is there of him being intelligent? The glasses?

Evidence :

1. He told everyone he was studying philosophy (he didn’t finish his degree)
2. He went on Question Time (and embarrassed himself with not having a clue)
3. He’s got himself some glasses (which he takes off before beating up his wife, opposing managers etc etc)

[Big Vinny K]

The post to which I was replying, for starters. Listening to him talk in detail on various topics is another.

Too many people dismiss people who they disagree with or dislike as being "stupid" or "daft" these days. Joey's capable of spouting complete and utter nonsense just like anybody else.

But unlike dimwits, Joey's capable of having real moments of insight and saying intelligent stuff.

If you're blind or wilfully ignorant to the guy's better qualities that's on you.

Feel free to post any of these pieces of insight and intelligence you believe he has shown Rowls.
Just a complete stab in the dark here but my guess is that you and Mr Barton share more in common than just a likening of the works of Nietzsche.

[Rowls]

Of course, without subjecting him to an IQ test (which would be undermined as merely evaluating the ability to score well on intelligence tests) we're all of us only second guessing how intelligent Barton is.

I think he is intelligent. So does ClaretTony.

Other people disagree.

But just as those who don't think he is especially bright can say, "Well what on earth makes you think he's intelligent?" we can flip the question and see how it works the other way round:

So why do you think he's "thick"?
Because he has a propensity to abhorrent violence?
Because you disagreed with on Question Time?
Because he didn't come across well on a live audience political question format TV programme which must be nerve wracking?
Because he wears glasses in a way which you've decided is merely an affectation?
Because he didn't finish his degree when holding down full time and stressful high profile managerial jobs?

It works both ways.

[Rowls]

Feel free to post any of these pieces of insight and intelligence you believe he has shown Rowls.
Just a complete stab in the dark here but my guess is that you and Mr Barton share more in common than just a likening of the works of Nietzsche.

You're right.

That was indeed a complete stab in the dark.

[Clovius Boofus]

I remember reading his book, and it told me everything I needed to know about him.

He has a real victim mentality, he's just not a very nice person, and clearly, beer/drugs bring the worst out in him as it does most

It's always somebody else's fault with these types. I used to know someone similar. He never took any responsibility for his own actions. They blame their upbringing, siblings, teachers, employers, or lack of, society and the person who just happens to fall into their fists or boots. Absolute shitbags.

[Bow]

A bad day for right wing grifters all round, with Laurence Fox found guilty too.

Just need Nigel Farage to fall down an open manhole now.

[Devils_Advocate]

Joey is a special case in every sense of the word.

But there's nothing special about children growing up without fathers or father figures. It's commonplace.

We can choose to address it as a society or we can engage in diversion tactics and look the other way.

Its poverty and inequality what needs addressing more than fatherless children. The fact that a single parent mother is much more likely to be poorer means that there is a real link but if you really wanted to address the root of the issue poverty and inequality would be the better place to start

If you compare the outcomes between single parent families who are wealthy against single parent families that are poor and also compare the outcomes for poor single parent families against poor two parent families you will find the outcomes much closer in the latter whilst in the former scenario there is a huge gap between the two sets of outcomes

But of course you don't really care and are just using this topic to try and shoehorn in one of your hobbyhorse viewpoints.

[ksrclaret]

But of course you don't really care and are just using this topic to try and shoehorn in one of your hobbyhorse viewpoints.

He’ll be on the next thread soon blaming Darko Churlinov’s bad form for Burnley on his (completely made up) refusal to cook home made food from scratch every night.

The guy is an insincere troll and always has been.

[helmclaret]

He’ll be on the next thread soon blaming Darko Churlinov’s bad form for Burnley on his (completely made up) refusal to cook home made food from scratch every night.

The guy is an insincere troll and always has been.

Yep, he posted something once about eating steamed vegetables three times a day.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Out of interest how many of his offences were under the influence of alcohol? He has always struck me as the type who should never touch alcohol or drugs.

Not condoning anything by the way. He has always been good for us and unfailingly spoke well of us afterwards, that means I won’t pile in on him but nor do I condone any misdeeds, if remaining convicted (after appeal).

[Rowls]

Its poverty and inequality what needs addressing more than fatherless children. The fact that a single parent mother is much more likely to be poorer means that there is a real link but if you really wanted to address the root of the issue poverty and inequality would be the better place to start

If you compare the outcomes between single parent families who are wealthy against single parent families that are poor and also compare the outcomes for poor single parent families against poor two parent families you will find the outcomes much closer in the latter whilst in the former scenario there is a huge gap between the two sets of outcomes

But of course you don't really care and are just using this topic to try and shoehorn in one of your hobbyhorse viewpoints.

This is an intelligent post, DA.

There's a LOT of substance here, especially for somebody who is usually a novelty poster.

Fatherlessness is a clear indicator for vastly reduced life outcomes.

However, the only thing I'd take up in your post is that you're comparing the outcomes of fatherless household in middle-income and lower-income families. Obviously this only shows a the effect that additional wealth has.

If you were to compare life outcome differences in middle-income fatherless households to middle-income joint parent households it would show the shocking difference and how vital it is for a child's wellbeing and life outcomes to have their father at hand. The same would be visible when comparing fatherless vs joint parent households of lower income families.

Sadly, despite making some really good points, you couldn't resist making it personal with your final unnecessary sentence. We've really skipped quickly to the personal insults at me on this thread - yours is the second.

You're claiming that I "don't care" about this subject and also, in the very same sentence, it is my "hobbyhorse". It can only be one of those things, can't it? So which is it? Do I really care about it? Or am I pretending to have a "hobbyhorse", as you pejoratively put it.

If you want a little insight into what I believe, it's very close to the "hobbyhorse" of the journo who wrote this article:

https://www.thetimes.com/comment/column ... -8p8srjfk0

[dsr]

Whilst he was with us it's difficult to understand if we just got lucky or Dyche was an amazing man manager. Romanticism makes me lean towards the latter, and I hope that's the case, but I guess we'll never know for sure

I suspect the latter. Remember that he had two spells with us, and in between he went to Rangers where he was run out of the club for fomenting all sorts of fallings out.

[helmclaret]

It’s incredible the lengths some people go to defend him.

Imagine is this was someone in your own family or someone you knew. I don’t think you’d be giving them the benefit of the doubt after that record.