A player on a private jet

[pauliopaulio]

Not read the thread but he was on the game today. Sat next to Redmond in the directors box

[daveisaclaret]

There'll be folk on here upset he didn't pay for a ticket.

[morninbob]

Parker praises Tresor.....

https://www.burnleyexpress.net/sport/fo ... rn-5069372

[GetIntoEm]

Could be back soon

[DCWat]

I care about Tresor, even if he don’t care about me. All I want is for him to score goals for Burnley.

[NewClaret]

Could be back soon

Really pleased to hear Parker’s words, especially about his effort to fitness work that seemed to be really lacking vs Reading.

Not sure we should be putting him anywhere near the bench at this point in the season though. Sends the wrong message to the squad that have got us to this point, in my view.

Focus should be on getting him and Ramsey ready for next season, I think. Exception to that might be if we end up in the playoffs where we might need either of their quality at some point in the game so I might take a chance then.

[GetIntoEm]

Really pleased to hear Parker’s words, especially about his effort to fitness work that seemed to be really lacking vs Reading.

Not sure we should be putting him anywhere near the bench at this point in the season though. Sends the wrong message to the squad that have got us to this point, in my view.

Focus should be on getting him and Ramsey ready for next season, I think. Exception to that might be if we end up in the playoffs where we might need either of their quality at some point in the game so I might take a chance then.

Or when we are home and hosed before the end of the season

[bumba]

Even when he's on the bench we'll get some.braindead drugged up idiots in the Fishwick Stand chanting the anti Tresor song despite Shelvey never playing for us again

[Big Vinny K]

Really pleased to hear Parker’s words, especially about his effort to fitness work that seemed to be really lacking vs Reading.

Not sure we should be putting him anywhere near the bench at this point in the season though. Sends the wrong message to the squad that have got us to this point, in my view.

Focus should be on getting him and Ramsey ready for next season, I think. Exception to that might be if we end up in the playoffs where we might need either of their quality at some point in the game so I might take a chance then.

Why does it send a wrong message to the squad ?
If a player has had a bad injury or illness and then worked hard to get back to fitness and the manager and coaches believe that having that player on the bench or even starting gives the club a better chance of winning the game then that is the only message that should matter to the rest of the squad.
If we are picking players who are not as good as those we are leaving out then what kind of message is that ?

And I’m not saying whether Tresor should be picked or not. I’m saying this about any player in our squad. I just think it’s very easy to say this about Tresor and not sure that would be the case if we saw Ramsey or even Jordan Beyer suddenly appear on the bench.

[Goliath]

Parker must rate hil because he's had every chance to sack him off as a waste of time. If he wasn't any good he wouldn't even be considered so it bodes well that he's still in the thinking.

I'd prefer him as an impact sub over koleosho if we needed a goal that's for sure

[clarets1978]

Why does it send a wrong message to the squad ?
If a player has had a bad injury or illness and then worked hard to get back to fitness and the manager and coaches believe that having that player on the bench or even starting gives the club a better chance of winning the game then that is the only message that should matter to the rest of the squad.
If we are picking players who are not as good as those we are leaving out then what kind of message is that ?

And I’m not saying whether Tresor should be picked or not. I’m saying this about any player in our squad. I just think it’s very easy to say this about Tresor and not sure that would be the case if we saw Ramsey or even Jordan Beyer suddenly appear on the bench.

Also with social media interactions etc, the players clearly think a lot of him as well. I sure they'd be delighted to see him there.

[GetIntoEm]

Are you not thinking there has been something wrong with him now? Probably should have made it clearer earlier, but if he wants to play then let's go

[Goliath]

Are you not thinking there has been something wrong with him now? Probably should have made it clearer earlier, but if he wants to play then let's go

He was clearly ill at the start of the season and then picked up an injury after the Reading game.
The bit inbetween is a bit wooly, there doesn't seem any real reason he wasn't playing even in the reserves between October and the Reading game in Jan but probably best to let that lie now and hope whatever the issue was Is resolved.

[warksclaret]

He was clearly ill at the start of the season and then picked up an injury after the Reading game.
The bit inbetween is a bit wooly, there doesn't seem any real reason he wasn't playing even in the reserves between October and the Reading game in Jan but probably best to let that lie now and hope whatever the issue was Is resolved.

Possibly, but we were at Reading, behind the goal and generally close to where Tresor was playing. Of course attention was fixed on him due to his huge absence. In fairness he looked knackered within 10 or 15 minutes and may not have been 100 per cent from what had been troubling him. He certainly did not appear to have been caught by an opponent or developed an injury during the game. I suspect with the strength of our bench that we may not see him play this season, unless we incur key injuries

[fatboy47]

Hard to see who'd be binned off to accomodate Tresor....possibly steps up to the bench if Edwards gets injured but that's harsh on Koleo and Benson.

[morninbob]

Hard to see who'd be binned off to accomodate Tresor....possibly steps up to the bench if Edwards gets injured but that's harsh on Koleo and Benson.

Benson is injured, Redmond took the spot on Saturday.

[Jakubs Tash]

Hard to see who'd be binned off to accomodate Tresor....possibly steps up to the bench if Edwards gets injured but that's harsh on Koleo and Benson.

It’s not about binning anybody off, it’s about picking your best players. And a fit Tresor is infinitely better than some of the options we’ve had on the bench this season - including recent games.

[fatboy47]

a fit Tresor is infinitely better than some of the options we’ve had on the bench this season

Debateable...very debateable.

..that pass at Reading is achieving legend status alŕeady....or are you claiming that he's shown more than Benson or Koleo in recent times?

[fidelcastro]

It’s not about binning anybody off, it’s about picking your best players. And a fit Tresor is infinitely better than some of the options we’ve had on the bench this season - including recent games.

You can't possibly know that.

[willsclarets]

I care about Tresor, even if he don’t care about me. All I want is for him to score goals for Burnley.

Notable how quickly that little ditty disappeared after Shelveys outing at Preston

[Conroy92]

Debateable...very debateable.

..that pass at Reading is achieving legend status alŕeady....or are you claiming that he's shown more than Benson or Koleo in recent times?

You put "recent times on there".

Koleosho hasn't played well for a year.

[Conroy92]

You can't possibly know that.

But you can?

Tresor Belgian player of the season and top assists.

Compared to Koleosho who could run past men last year without offering a lot but looks a complete shadow of that man.

Id argue its hard to argue about Benson due to the fact the only real time we saw him this season he curled a trademark beauty in. That being said Tresors only featured the once and played a part in both goals. And you have to consider Bensons a sick note that managed and nursed through may give you 20mins a game. Where's a fit Mike might see us have a player that lasts 70-90 minutes. That's if his prior injury record isn't too bad. Whereas this is Benson's third season for us and he's been injured for long parts in every one.

Maybe the word infinitely is strong.

But on paper. Value. Credentials. I think it would be daft to say that Tresor should not be better than them both.

Where is the evidence that he isn't better.

[fidelcastro]

But you can?

Tresor Belgian player of the season and top assists.

Compared to Koleosho who could run past men last year without offering a lot but looks a complete shadow of that man.

Id argue its hard to argue about Benson due to the fact the only real time we saw him this season he curled a trademark beauty in. That being said Tresors only featured the once and played a part in both goals. And you have to consider Bensons a sick note that managed and nursed through may give you 20mins a game. Where's a fit Mike might see us have a player that lasts 70-90 minutes. That's if his prior injury record isn't too bad. Whereas this is Benson's third season for us and he's been injured for long parts in every one.

Maybe the word infinitely is strong.

But on paper. Value. Credentials. I think it would be daft to say that Tresor should not be better than them both.

Where is the evidence that he isn't better.

Where in his Burnley career have you seen that he's better?

[Conroy92]

What I think, is there's lessons to be learned from all involved.

Pace- Maybe should think before he speaks sometimes. His comments around the situation only fueled the rumours on here.

Tresor- his cryptic postings in the window probably didn't help

The club as a whole- you don't have to declare what is wrong with someone but providing no information at all sees people make anything up to fit. A simple we are commited to getting Mike to full fitness so we can show case his talents at the club or statement that mike is in the plans or tweet from the club along these lines would maybe have helped.

And then us, the fans- if it turns out the guy has suffered from a serious illness then there's a lot who need to hang there heads in shame. Some really nasty comments.

[Conroy92]

Where in his Burnley career have you seen that he's better?

Wrexham sign Harry Kane and he dosnt play till the end of the season.

Tell me when in his Wrexham career he has been better than Rodriguez.

Can you see why your logics a little bit silly.

[Jakubs Tash]

Debateable...very debateable.

..that pass at Reading is achieving legend status alŕeady....or are you claiming that he's shown more than Benson or Koleo in recent times?

Koleosho is a dreadful footballer. You could question many things which are still a little unknown about Tresor but he clearly has good ball control and a football brain.

Tresor living off one pass? Koleosho is living off one moment at Leeds earlier this season. I can’t think of one other thing he has done this season and he’s had far more opportunity than Tresor.

[Conroy92]

Where in his Burnley career have you seen that he's better?

I'll play though too.

In his one appearance that he was involved in two goals.

If you can tell me a game that Koleosho was involved in two goals this season or Benson you win. Oh and Mike's two goal contributions came inside about 20mins so if you could also make sure it includes that you get the prize of up the clarets biggest star.

So go on. Tell me a game this season they've been better than magic mike.

I await your response. With great anticipation.

[fidelcastro]

Wrexham sign Harry Kane and he dosnt play till the end of the season.

Tell me when in his Wrexham career he has been better than Rodriguez.

Can you see why your logics a little bit silly.

You're comparing Tresor to Harry Kane now?

Can you see why your logic is a little bit silly?

[fidelcastro]

I'll play though too.

In his one appearance that he was involved in two goals.

If you can tell me a game that Koleosho was involved in two goals this season or Benson you win. Oh and Mike's two goal contributions came inside about 20mins so if you could also make sure it includes that you get the prize of up the clarets biggest star.

So go on. Tell me a game this season they've been better than magic mike.

I await your response. With great anticipation.

Koleosho has still scored a couple of goals, including the only goal at a promotion rival. Benson has hardly played, but still got himself on the score sheet against Sheffield Wednesday, was it?

Tresor had a 20 minute cameo against a league one side, where he was blowing out of his backside by the end, so you've no proof as yet that he'd be any more effective than what we already have.

I don't know why you're so obsessed with him.

[Conroy92]

Koleosho has still scored a couple of goals, including the only goal at a promotion rival. Benson has hardly played, but still got himself on the score sheet against Sheffield Wednesday, was it?

Tresor had a 20 minute cameo against a league one side, where he was blowing out of his backside by the end, so you've no proof as yet that he'd be any more effective than what we already have.

I don't know why you're so obsessed with him.

So you couldn't find one.

Thanks.

[fidelcastro]

So you couldn't find one.

Thanks.

Find what?

Okay, you win, he's a magnificent player who we'd be 20 points clear with and promotion already in the bag if he was ever fit to play.

Have a good evening.

[boyyanno]

Koleosho has still scored a couple of goals, including the only goal at a promotion rival. Benson has hardly played, but still got himself on the score sheet against Sheffield Wednesday, was it?

Tresor had a 20 minute cameo against a league one side, where he was blowing out of his backside by the end, so you've no proof as yet that he'd be any more effective than what we already have.

I don't know why you're so obsessed with him.

Genuine question, who started the game on the wing against that league one side? Viewing things in isolation is very dangerous and a bit stupid. Realistically Tresor hasn't done anywhere enough since he's been here- (for whatever reason) it's okay to acknowledge that and also that he's likely one of the best players in the squad.

I'll raise you a:

Cost significant investment and signed to play in the league above.

Was signed to play over the top of someone you've mentioned.

Belgium footballer of the year.

Most assists ever in a Belgium season.

Full Belgium International.

I can only think people are on the wind up if they don't think he's good enough for a place on our bench if he's fit.

[fidelcastro]

Genuine question, who started the game on the wing against that league one side? Viewing things in isolation is very dangerous and a bit stupid. Realistically Tresor hasn't done anywhere enough since he's been here- (for whatever reason) it's okay to acknowledge that and also that he's likely one of the best players in the squad.

I'll raise you a:

Cost significant investment and signed to play in the league above.

Was signed to play over the top of someone you've mentioned.

Belgium footballer of the year.

Most assists ever in a Belgium season.

Full Belgium International.

I can only think people are on the wind up if they don't think he's good enough for a place on our bench if he's fit.

Nowhere have I said he isn't good enough for a place on our bench, but if you saw his performances last season, then you'd know why there are still doubts about whether he can cut it in English football, especially if we go up.

[boyyanno]

Nowhere have I said he isn't good enough for a place on our bench, but if you saw his performances last season, then you'd know why there are still doubts about whether he can cut it in English football, especially if we go up.

With the greatest of respect you responded to someone who said that Tresor would be better than some of the options we've had on the bench this season.

Where did anyone mention if we go up?

[Conroy92]

Nowhere have I said he isn't good enough for a place on our bench, but if you saw his performances last season, then you'd know why there are still doubts about whether he can cut it in English football, especially if we go up.

So you've argued to me why Koleosho and Benson are better than him. But now claim to another poster he's good enough for the bench. So who you dropping. It's all a bit odd.

You can't have it both ways Fidel.

[fidelcastro]

So you've argued to me why Koleosho and Benson are better than him. But now claim to another poster he's good enough for the bench. So who you dropping. It's all a bit odd.

You can't have it both ways Fidel.

I'm not trying to. If there's a place on the bench for him, then fine, but if everyone else is fit, he can bide his time. It's not difficult to work out.

[fidelcastro]

With the greatest of respect you responded to someone who said that Tresor would be better than some of the options we've had on the bench this season.

Where did anyone mention if we go up?

It's rather important for his future if we go up, don't you think?

[NewClaret]

Or when we are home and hosed before the end of the season

No comment

[boyyanno]

It's rather important for his future if we go up, don't you think?

Let's be honest, that's a different sentiment to wether he'd get on our bench right now isn't it.

[NewClaret]

Why does it send a wrong message to the squad ?
If a player has had a bad injury or illness and then worked hard to get back to fitness and the manager and coaches believe that having that player on the bench or even starting gives the club a better chance of winning the game then that is the only message that should matter to the rest of the squad.
If we are picking players who are not as good as those we are leaving out then what kind of message is that ?

And I’m not saying whether Tresor should be picked or not. I’m saying this about any player in our squad. I just think it’s very easy to say this about Tresor and not sure that would be the case if we saw Ramsey or even Jordan Beyer suddenly appear on the bench.

Because I think there’s a group there who may’ve lacked quality at times, but have all grafted their balls off for the team this season to get us where we are now and they should be the ones that get us over the line.

Although, I do admit that viewpoint is slightly biased by the fact that I don’t believe for a second that his attitude has been perfect all season and he’s just been unfortunate with illness(es). That may be part of the picture, but there’s just too much to the whole affair that suggests all has not been well - from the loan deals, his crying social media posts, Pace saying he’s fit to play, Parker saying nothing, a pretty lazy cameo in my view, then out ill again. It just doesn’t stack up to me.

Mixed in to all this is the probability he won’t be here next season if he gets a chance to leave. He may stay as he has no takers but I think he’d be out like a shot. He may be better than some of the players but I think he’d be playing for himself, not the team.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Pretty clear that the only one who can judge that is Parker, the rest of us know the square root of sod all.

IF his mind is willing, his body is willing, and, vitally, his teammates are willing, his output potential is equal to Edwards and exceeds anyone else in our squad, with the possible exceptions of Esteve and Trafford.

That’s the reason this issue has caused so much angst, if he was crap it wouldn’t have (I am on record on here for saying in the first half of last season he should have played far more, he had an 18 year old keeping him out of the team, which was wrong for a marquee signing).

[fidelcastro]

Let's be honest, that's a different sentiment to wether he'd get on our bench right now isn't it.

I was thinking slightly longer term than what is left of this season, but if you're asking whether I'd have him on the bench right now with everyone else fit, then the answer is no.

[Big Vinny K]

Because I think there’s a group there who may’ve lacked quality at times, but have all grafted their balls off for the team this season to get us where we are now and they should be the ones that get us over the line.

Although, I do admit that viewpoint is slightly biased by the fact that I don’t believe for a second that his attitude has been perfect all season and he’s just been unfortunate with illness(es). That may be part of the picture, but there’s just too much to the whole affair that suggests all has not been well - from the loan deals, his crying social media posts, Pace saying he’s fit to play, Parker saying nothing, a pretty lazy cameo in my view, then out ill again. It just doesn’t stack up to me.

Mixed in to all this is the probability he won’t be here next season if he gets a chance to leave. He may stay as he has no takers but I think he’d be out like a shot. He may be better than some of the players but I think he’d be playing for himself, not the team.

Plenty of stuff going on in your head there with little evidence.

How do you know that the likes of Benson, Sonne, Shelvey etc have “grafted their balls off” ? I haven’t see much evidence of this on the pitch yet they have all made the bench plenty of times between them. And I am not saying they haven’t btw as my starting position is that if any player makes the bench then he has deserved it in the opinion of the only person that matters.

Point remains that if Parker picks Tresor or anybody else for the bench or to start it will be because he believes that the best thing for the team and for the club and that is the only message that matters and not some of the stuff fabricated in a few supporters heads.

[AfloatinClaret]

...if Parker picks Tresor or anybody else for the bench or to start it will be because he believes that the best thing for the team and for the club and that is the only message that matters and not some of the stuff fabricated in a few supporters heads.

Not even the 'special ones'? You're surely not suggesting that the omniscient egg-spurts on here can be ignored; not only are they more impotent than SP they're the ones who 'know their football'.

[NewClaret]

Plenty of stuff going on in your head there with little evidence.

How do you know that the likes of Benson, Sonne, Shelvey etc have “grafted their balls off” ? I haven’t see much evidence of this on the pitch yet they have all made the bench plenty of times between them. And I am not saying they haven’t btw as my starting position is that if any player makes the bench then he has deserved it in the opinion of the only person that matters.

Point remains that if Parker picks Tresor or anybody else for the bench or to start it will be because he believes that the best thing for the team and for the club and that is the only message that matters and not some of the stuff fabricated in a few supporters heads.

I think it’s pretty obvious that something very strange has gone on with Tresor, the details of which I know nothing about so inevitably that leaves us all putting pieces of the jigsaw together and potentially getting the wrong picture.

What I’d say is that Parker is very guarded on the subject (just listened to the interview on Burnley Express and his choice of words is interesting) and if the fans assumptions were completely fabricated, I think the club would’ve come out and said something to protect the player. It’s poor form if they didn’t, both for the player and the club who really didn’t need the negative speculation while chasing promotion.

So to the point, over the season - I think it’s a reasonable assumption that those you mention on the bench have displayed a better attitude and commitment than Tresor, therefore are more deserving of a place in the Matchday squad in my eyes. It’s a seasons work, as Dyche would say.

Tresor may be more talented than some on there but I think you have to have more than talent - attitude, consistency, etc, etc. And one thing that’s been unquestionable this season is the team spirit, so I wouldn’t do anything to disrupt that at all.

I agree with you that Parker will have a much better handle on the circumstances than all of us though, and seems a guy of high morals and integrity, so if he picked him I would trust his judgement. But at face value of what has happened over the course of the season so far, he wouldn’t be in my matchday squad and I’d be focussing on getting him right and ready for next year.

[Big Vinny K]

I think it’s pretty obvious that something very strange has gone on with Tresor, the details of which I know nothing about so inevitably that leaves us all putting pieces of the jigsaw together and potentially getting the wrong picture.

What I’d say is that Parker is very guarded on the subject (just listened to the interview on Burnley Express and his choice of words is interesting) and if the fans assumptions were completely fabricated, I think the club would’ve come out and said something to protect the player. It’s poor form if they didn’t, both for the player and the club who really didn’t need the negative speculation while chasing promotion.

So to the point, over the season - I think it’s a reasonable assumption that those you mention on the bench have displayed a better attitude and commitment than Tresor, therefore are more deserving of a place in the Matchday squad in my eyes. It’s a seasons work, as Dyche would say.

Tresor may be more talented than some on there but I think you have to have more than talent - attitude, consistency, etc, etc. And one thing that’s been unquestionable this season is the team spirit, so I wouldn’t do anything to disrupt that at all.

I agree with you that Parker will have a much better handle on the circumstances than all of us though, and seems a guy of high morals and integrity, so if he picked him I would trust his judgement. But at face value of what has happened over the course of the season so far, he wouldn’t be in my matchday squad and I’d be focussing on getting him right and ready for next year.

You do seem to waste a lot of your energy “reading between the lines” !!

Even above you say that it’s a ‘reasonable assumption” that those on the bench have displayed a better attitude and commitment than Tresor. Where are you getting this rubbish from ? A far more reasonable assumption is that those selected on for the bench were fit and Tresor was not.

I have never said whether Tresor is a more talented player or not than others in the squad. I have no idea - I honestly do not think many Burnley fans do.

If we are going to use rumours circulating among fans about players and their attitudes, dedication etc then Benson and Shelvey would not be deserving of their places on the bench either….and many more down the years. Which is why it’s just a lot easier to stick to the facts and trust the manager that whoever he picks is what he thinks is best for the team to get a result.

[NewClaret]

You do seem to waste a lot of your energy “reading between the lines” !!

Even above you say that it’s a ‘reasonable assumption” that those on the bench have displayed a better attitude and commitment than Tresor. Where are you getting this rubbish from ? A far more reasonable assumption is that those selected on for the bench were fit and Tresor was not.

I have never said whether Tresor is a more talented player or not than others in the squad. I have no idea - I honestly do not think many Burnley fans do.

If we are going to use rumours circulating among fans about players and their attitudes, dedication etc then Benson and Shelvey would not be deserving of their places on the bench either….and many more down the years. Which is why it’s just a lot easier to stick to the facts and trust the manager that whoever he picks is what he thinks is best for the team to get a result.

I’m not reading between any lines. I’m stating my opinion on a football message board.

To your point of wasting energy, I am wasting it debating further because it’s an opinion and I don’t care if anyone else agrees with it or not. I’m not trying to convince anyone I’m right. And, to be honest, I don’t think there’s much chance we’ll see Tresor on the bench anyway so it’s a somewhat futile discussion until that happens.

Let’s hope we keep this run up with a win tonight. UTC.