2nd Tier Podcast

[dandeclaret]

Having stated at the start of the season they fancied Luton to go up, and for Burnley to struggle under boring Scott Parker, they now appear to have changed their tune.

Apparently it was nice for Burnley to bring some goals for once (5, 2 and 4 in the last 7 games) and they were Jammy to win the game on Friday, and it was definitely not a 4-0 game.

These lads are the biggest exponents of single stat analysis out there... apparently the XG for and XG against mean that the team are lucky, and boring, and shouldn't be where they are.

Reckon these lads should leave statistical analysis to those who can do it, and stop thinking finding a single stat proves the bias they have in their heads.

[ArmchairDetective]

Was listening to this earlier but had to pause before it got to our bit. I noticed in the intro however that they said 'and Burnley with the most undeserved 4-0 win ever' or something along those lines. They were incredibly complementary during the Kompany season. The main presenter really seems to have it in for us this year, however.

[agreenwood]

Never listened to it, but used to see plenty of clips. They definitely don’t like Parker.

At least they aren’t as posh as the two Oxbridge lads who run the other big EFL podcast.

[dandeclaret]

The top tip for today is that on Apple Podcasts, you can read the transcript - so you can find the Burnley segment and listen to it, rather than waste your time listening to it.

[Mrpotatohead]

I quite like to listen to this pod. They have it in for Parker and his style of football, that's for sure. Whilst I'm not Parker out by any stretch of the imagination, it's a fair assessment that the style of football, at times, is incredibly dull, and I think that's all they're referring to.

As for Friday, we were second best up until the subs on 60 minutes and could easily have been a goal or two behind on a different day. Although deserving of the win in the end, 4-0 was a little flattering.

Totally agree with the above comments re Xg and 'underlying data' as they often put it on the podcast. Ultimately, goals scored and goals against are the only stats that matter.

[Goliath]

Having stated at the start of the season they fancied Luton to go up, and for Burnley to struggle under boring Scott Parker, they now appear to have changed their tune.

Apparently it was nice for Burnley to bring some goals for once (5, 2 and 4 in the last 7 games) and they were Jammy to win the game on Friday, and it was definitely not a 4-0 game.

These lads are the biggest exponents of single stat analysis out there... apparently the XG for and XG against mean that the team are lucky, and boring, and shouldn't be where they are.

Reckon these lads should leave statistical analysis to those who can do it, and stop thinking finding a single stat proves the bias they have in their heads.

It's mental that you spend so much time listening to and thinking about something that you don't even like. You can just choose not to take any notice.

[dandeclaret]

It's mental that you spend so much time listening to and thinking about something that you don't even like. You can just choose not to take any notice.

Which has been done - I'm responding to this message, as it's popped up in my notifications, but we see the game totally differently with no visible middle ground, and therefore you're on my ignored list. It's nothing personal, it's taking the action you speak about. Also I don't spend much time listening to the podcast, I do read the transcript on the Burnley section, whilst my tea is brewing. I do think their biased, without much reason outlook, influences the wider negativity around the Burnley team, which plays out in preconceived ideas on this forum.

But as I said, we're probably coming at this from different places, so no real central ground for discussion. Cheers, and UTC.

[Goliath]

Which has been done - I'm responding to this message, as it's popped up in my notifications, but we see the game totally differently with no visible middle ground, and therefore you're on my ignored list. It's nothing personal, it's taking the action you speak about. Also I don't spend much time listening to the podcast, I do read the transcript on the Burnley section, whilst my tea is brewing. I do think their biased, without much reason outlook, influences the wider negativity around the Burnley team, which plays out in preconceived ideas on this forum.

But as I said, we're probably coming at this from different places, so no real central ground for discussion. Cheers, and UTC.

Ignored list Be honest, it's because I don't particularly rate Josh Laurent isn't it.

[Milltown1882]

They’ve always been very anti-Parker, stopped listening to it this season because regardless of result you know how they’re going to discuss us.

[dandeclaret]

They’ve always been very anti-Parker, stopped listening to it this season because regardless of result you know how they’re going to discuss us.

Yep, never any balance or positivity from the curly lad. 0-0 at Preston that shouldn’t have been scoreless, boring Burnley…. 4-0 against Wednesday, they were jammy. Give it a rest lad, you’ve been wrong most of the season. I think they’ve tilled Burnley to lose 8 times and got it wrong every time.

[The Shire Claret]

They are very VERY anti Parker .... I do like to listen to podcasts as i'm on the road a lot. I do like them because they offer a great service to a great league but they do struggle to hold their hands up as they didn't think Burnley would be anywhere near at this point.

[KRBFC]

I think we were fortunate to win 4-0, the score line absolutely flattered us.

I don’t think that’s a controversial take at all.

[LDNBFC87]

That Ryan Dilks lad would eat himself if he was chocolate. Unbearable.

[aggi]

To be fair they predicted that we'd finish fourth and we're currently third, not a million miles off (unlike some of their other predictions).

They're very anti-Parker, although I guess so are a fair chunk of Burnley fans.

[NottsClaret]

Unless he was grinding out results for your team at just about the level required, would anyone be a fan of what Parker brings to football? Let's get those Claret specs off, we're the last team any neutral would choose to watch.

It's not a problem. I'd rather watch any side managed by Ange Postecoglu than Pep, but I also know who I'd rather was managing my own team. Different things.

[Enola Gay]

Having stated at the start of the season they fancied Luton to go up, and for Burnley to struggle under boring Scott Parker, they now appear to have changed their tune.

Apparently it was nice for Burnley to bring some goals for once (5, 2 and 4 in the last 7 games) and they were Jammy to win the game on Friday, and it was definitely not a 4-0 game.

These lads are the biggest exponents of single stat analysis out there... apparently the XG for and XG against mean that the team are lucky, and boring, and shouldn't be where they are.

Reckon these lads should leave statistical analysis to those who can do it, and stop thinking finding a single stat proves the bias they have in their heads.

xG is a tool of utter charlatans who have never felt true joy at a goal being scored or anything that’s ever happened on a pitch.

The kind of people who’d watch Pele dummy/run round the keeper in Mexico 70 and sneer ‘huh, he missed’ instead of marvelling at the audacity.

[Ightenhill_Claret]

xG absolutely winds me the hell up. Championships and promotions aren’t won on xG in just the same way as relegations aren’t suffered due to xG.

The only G that counts is aG - actual goals.

[dandeclaret]

Unless he was grinding out results for your team at just about the level required, would anyone be a fan of what Parker brings to football? Let's get those Claret specs off, we're the last team any neutral would choose to watch.

It's not a problem. I'd rather watch any side managed by Ange Postecoglu than Pep, but I also know who I'd rather was managing my own team. Different things.

I don’t think the football is remotely as bad as is portrayed. Sometimes , but not as often as people claim. Draws / perceived. Negative results outweigh performances that are decent, but then performances are held up as an issue in games like Friday, where the outcome Of the game was evidently a comfortable win with some brilliant goals. But I think that most performances are pre judged to be bad, because for some reason people have t taken to Parker, and are listening to those behemoths of football fans Bournemouth and Fulham, who are similar to Blackburn, small clubs that bought their way to way they are.

[dandeclaret]

xG absolutely winds me the hell up. Championships and promotions aren’t won on xG in just the same way as relegations aren’t suffered due to xG.

The only G that counts is aG - actual goals.

In a suite of stats presenting a picture it has its use….. it’s when it’s stripped as a single prove everything stat that it’s worthless.

[Raconteur]

I know they don't like Parker but their latest video takes the biscuit.
What a bizarre agenda they have against him.
They have placed him in 9th position as best manager as they say every manager placed above has overachieved ( Farke and Wilder )
2 defeats and being 29 games undefeated was expected.

No mention of the defensive accolades.

The agenda they have against him is just downright weird.

https://youtu.be/txCeOq5JCcA?si=LpIuQbJsqJaIVAnv

[Burnley1989]

I know they don't like Parker but their latest video takes the biscuit.
What a bizarre agenda they have against him.
They have placed him in 9th position as best manager as they say every manager placed above has overachieved ( Farke and Wilder )
2 defeats and being 29 games undefeated was expected.

No mention of the defensive accolades.

The agenda they have against him is just downright weird.

https://youtu.be/txCeOq5JCcA?si=LpIuQbJsqJaIVAnv

If they stated we'd struggle this season and we win the league, yet they have Parker 9th, i hope someone creates a viral meme to take the ****

[wilks_bfc]

I know they don't like Parker but their latest video takes the biscuit.
What a bizarre agenda they have against him.
They have placed him in 9th position as best manager as they say every manager placed above has overachieved ( Farke and Wilder )
2 defeats and being 29 games undefeated was expected.

No mention of the defensive accolades.

The agenda they have against him is just downright weird.

https://youtu.be/txCeOq5JCcA?si=LpIuQbJsqJaIVAnv

They’ve both had something against Parker all season but at least the other guy, Justin, has given him some credit lately.
Dilks has just had it in for him constantly and can’t see what’s been achieved

Anyway I can’t take any serious notice of anybody that wears the shirt of another team from the same league as who they support

[wilks_bfc]

[agreenwood]

Saw another clip of it last week. Apparently we’re one of the poorest sides to ever be promoted.

I won’t share the link, as that’s what they want, but you can find it if you want to wind yourself up.

[wilks_bfc]

Saw another clip of it last week. Apparently we’re one of the poorest sides to ever be promoted.

I won’t share the link, as that’s what they want, but you can find it if you want to wind yourself up.

It use to be a good listen, I even use to listen to it when we were in the Premier League but it’s now become the “TalkSPORT” of podcasts

Ryan has had an agenda against Parker all season and has given us & him no credit at all
Justin on the other hand acknowledges what we have achieved

I’ll be unsubscribing and sticking to Football Ramble

[Paddy1882]

Now the season has finished he’s got the chance to be a man and own up that he’s got it wrong. He can still feel we don’t play the best football etc that’s his opinion but to say we’re one of the worst teams is just factually incorrect. Will he admit he was wrong, probably not.

[Pearcey]

Dreadful podcast and proper anti Burnley. Love the quote above from No context Saints. Brilliant!

[quoonbeatz]

Fan podcasts are all bad enough when they're about your own team, this sort of crap is even worse.

[ArmchairDetective]

I wouldn't say they are anti Burnley. They were extremely complimentary 2 years ago when we were promoted. This year they had an anti Parker agenda even before the season kicked off and it hasn't changed much, albeit one of them has softened a touch.

[dushanbe]

I’ve just listened to the weekends review and they managed to get a couple of final digs in.

[jdrobbo]

My take is slightly different:

Firstly, I have tolerated the podcast on the number of occasions throughout the season, mainly just to keep on top of all things Championship.

I think, in the interest of fairness, people see the name of this podcast and think of the main presenter, Alan Partridge wannabe, Ryan Dilks. His entire role is to wind certain fanbases up.

However, on the flip side, Justin Peach has been very complementary of Burnley, our tactics, the manager and our defence throughout most of the season and certainly since the end of November. On many occasions he has even spoken out about how Dilks refuses to see a very good team that’s getting better by the week. He seems to gave a very good understanding of the players at all of the clubs too. No issue with Peach and I suspect that most Burnley fans wouldn’t either, if they listened to the podcast as opposed to relying on clips from Youtube, Twitter etc.

[wilks_bfc]

My take is slightly different:

Firstly, I have tolerated the podcast on the number of occasions throughout the season, mainly just to keep on top of all things Championship.

I think, in the interest of fairness, people see the name of this podcast and think of the main presenter, Alan Partridge wannabe, Ryan Dilks. His entire role is to wind certain fanbases up.

However, on the flip side, Justin Peach has been very complementary of Burnley, our tactics, the manager, our defence throughout most of the season snd certainly since the end of November. On many occasions he has even spoken out about how Dilks refuses to see a very good team that’s getting better by the week. He seems to gave a very good understanding of the players at all of the clubs too. No issue with Peach and I suspect that most Burnley fans wouldn’t either, if they listened to the podcast as opposed to relying on clips from Youtube, Twitter etc.

Spot on jd, exactly how I see (or hear) it

[robinoz]

I listen/watch it but prefer the Not The Top 20 (EFL Content) podcast.

[RVclaret]

The NotTheTop20 podcast is by far the better one and doesn’t rely on clickbait crap like this one. They are a bit too data driven at times, but at least do some research and back up their opinions without agenda driven nonsense.

[NewClaret]

Who?

[Culmclaret]

Hardly surprising he hates us if he is a Derby fan. Keogh and Shackell: the best double act since Morecambe and Wise