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Re: Flemming

Post by Claret-in-cleveleys » Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:38 pm

Flemming gets manhandled every game, centre halves pulling him back, arms around etc and 9/10 times get absolutely nothing. He battles hard and score some important goals, despite being played out of position. But let's have a thread having a go at one of our best players who's just scored a goal taking us to the top of the league, unbelievable🙄

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Re: Flemming

Post by Rileybobs » Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:41 pm

Claret-in-cleveleys wrote:
Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:38 pm
Flemming gets manhandled every game, centre halves pulling him back, arms around etc and 9/10 times get absolutely nothing. He battles hard and score some important goals, despite being played out of position. But let's have a thread having a go at one of our best players who's just scored a goal taking us to the top of the league, unbelievable🙄
I really don't think Flemming is being played out of position so I'm bamboozled when I keep reading this. In the system that we play it is definitely his strongest position, and he's comfortably the best option we have to play there.
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Re: Flemming

Post by Claret-in-cleveleys » Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:47 pm

He's said himself his best position is as a no 10 not a player who leads the line, I thought that was common knowledge?

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Re: Flemming

Post by Rileybobs » Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:52 pm

Claret-in-cleveleys wrote:
Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:47 pm
He's said himself his best position is as a no 10 not a player who leads the line, I thought that was common knowledge?
I think we can put too much emphasis on what is a number 9, what is a number 10. Flemming may prefer playing as a deeper-lying forward alongside a traditional number 9, but hardly any teams play with 2 centre forwards these days. Brownhill is often deployed as our most attacking midfielder, which you could term a number 10, however Flemming certainly isn't suited to that role. Either way, Flemming certainly isn't being played out of position.

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Re: Flemming

Post by Down_Rover » Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:54 pm

NL Claret wrote:
Fri Apr 18, 2025 5:39 pm
Not sure if some of the posters on this thread are parody accounts.

Watford lost the plot, we didn't. The 2nd sending off was a yellow card every day off the week and then Louza who was in the refs face most of the game starts sarcastically applauding. What does he expect.

If burnley players behaved like some Watford players posters would be on here stating they'd never want to see them in a Burnley shirt again.

Burnley kept their heads, Watford didn't. Horrible side, even their manager looked embarrassed.
Could not agree more. The second player sent off was lucky to be on the pitch for as long as he was

Sissoko just lost the plot
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Re: Flemming

Post by Claret-in-cleveleys » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:02 pm

Emphasis? Theres a distinct difference in a no 9 and no 10, two very different roles. As you said, he used to play behind the main striker (as he did for Millwall) and now he is being played as the main striker, that's playing him out of his best position. Similar to playing a left back at centre half or winger in the centre.

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Re: Flemming

Post by Claret-in-cleveleys » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:04 pm

Clearly it's his best position in this team because we don't play with two strikers.

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Re: Flemming

Post by Rileybobs » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:13 pm

Claret-in-cleveleys wrote:
Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:02 pm
Emphasis? Theres a distinct difference in a no 9 and no 10, two very different roles. As you said, he used to play behind the main striker (as he did for Millwall) and now he is being played as the main striker, that's playing him out of his best position. Similar to playing a left back at centre half or winger in the centre.
If that's what you feel then fair enough, but I don't think that because he played in a different system for Millwall he is now playing out of position for us. It's not like he's playing as a traditional number 9.

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Re: Flemming

Post by Rileybobs » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:14 pm

Claret-in-cleveleys wrote:
Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:04 pm
Clearly it's his best position in this team because we don't play with two strikers.
But hardly any team plays with two strikers. It's like saying Marcus Edwards is playing out of position because he prefers to be given a completely free role.

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Re: Flemming

Post by Claret-in-cleveleys » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:21 pm

It's nothing like saying that, but I'll just leave this one here mate...

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Re: Flemming

Post by dougcollins » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:24 pm

Flemming does some things really well, he just doesn't have a striker's nous. Hardly ever comes away from a dual with a CB with either the ball or a free kick.

People say he's fouled all the time, I think he just throws himself down and expects something from the ref.

Barnes could help him with this.

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Re: Flemming

Post by fidelcastro » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:26 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:24 pm
Flemming does some things really well, he just doesn't have a striker's nous. Hardly ever comes away from a dual with a CB with either the ball or a free kick.

People say he's fouled all the time, I think he just throws himself down and expects something from the ref.

Barnes could help him with this.
Teach him how to make it look more convincing, you mean? :D

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Re: Flemming

Post by ecc » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:27 pm

The man his the very fortunate knack of scoring vital goals.
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Re: Flemming

Post by dougcollins » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:27 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:26 pm
Teach him how to make it look more convincing, you mean? :D
You have to convince the ref!

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Re: Flemming

Post by dougcollins » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:27 pm

ecc wrote:
Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:27 pm
The man his the very fortunate knack of scoring vital goals.
Yes, and that's great.

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Re: Flemming

Post by fidelcastro » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:27 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:27 pm
You have to convince the ref!
And we're back to those dark arts again.

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Re: Flemming

Post by SouthLondonexile » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:28 pm

We were crying out for a player of his stature when we sold Berge to Fulham.
I was delighted when we signed him, he has been exceptional.

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Re: Flemming

Post by dougcollins » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:30 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:27 pm
And we're back to those dark arts again.
Dyche's side were masters.

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Re: Flemming

Post by fidelcastro » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:32 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:30 pm
Dyche's side were masters.
Were they? Barnes was about the only one that I recall in that mould.

Wasn't our disciplinary record always one of the best in the league under Dyche?

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Re: Flemming

Post by dougcollins » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:33 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:32 pm
Were they? Barnes was about the only one that I recall in that mould.

Wasn't our disciplinary record always one of the best in the league under Dyche?
Time wasting was at another level.

Game management was way above what we showed today.
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Re: Flemming

Post by fidelcastro » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:35 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:33 pm
Time wasting was at another level.
Again really?

I don't recall Heaton and Pope, for example, being booked as often as Trafford is.

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Re: Flemming

Post by dougcollins » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:36 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:35 pm
Again really?

I don't recall Heaton and Pope, for example, being booked as often as Trafford is.
Absolutely- they were way better at it.

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Re: Flemming

Post by Vino blanco » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:37 pm

We got three points away in a crazy, massive away game. He scored an incredible equaliser when they could have been 3 nil up. He was involved when getting their player sent off, he showed fight up front against a team who just wanted to to foul us. I know Trafford will win mom, but he gets my vote...a fighter for the cause and the team.

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Re: Flemming

Post by fidelcastro » Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:37 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:36 pm
Absolutely- they were way better at it.
:lol:

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Re: Flemming

Post by Den_Perry » Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:06 pm

The amount of times Flemming is ragged about and doesn’t get a free kick is drives me mad. Today he got more than usual to be fair. We need to start making him wear shirts that are of a thinner material so that they rip more easily. He definitely reminds me of a young Ashley Barnes which is not too bad a thing to be fair.
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Re: Flemming

Post by elwaclaret » Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:23 pm

Den_Perry wrote:
Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:06 pm
The amount of times Flemming is ragged about and doesn’t get a free kick is drives me mad. Today he got more than usual to be fair. We need to start making him wear shirts that are of a thinner material so that they rip more easily. He definitely reminds me of a young Ashley Barnes which is not too bad a thing to be fair.
Didn’t work the other week, his shirt was nearly torn in two and he didn’t get a penalty. Just a snide comment on commentary that the shirts can’t be right strong.

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Re: Flemming

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:32 pm

Claret-in-cleveleys wrote:
Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:06 pm
Eh? No ot was the push that was the yellow offence. I think you thought he got a straight red for it and now back tracking a bit.
Did I take your first name choice first?

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Re: Flemming

Post by HurstGrangeClaret » Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:40 pm

The bickering going on between some posters is ridiculous. Flemming put in a battling performance, scored a really good goal and wasn’t scared to mix it up in the best traditions of AB.
To claim he went over too easily when their first player was sent off is to disbelieve the evidence of your own eyes. It was a full bodied two handed push.
Flemming just behind JT for my man of the match.

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Re: Flemming

Post by Claret-in-cleveleys » Fri Apr 18, 2025 10:00 pm

No mate, I'm a Claret who just happens to live in Cleveleys, not from Cleveleys who's also a clarets😉😁 Well actually I live in Thornton Cleveleys...

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Re: Flemming

Post by dvalley69 » Fri Apr 18, 2025 10:20 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Fri Apr 18, 2025 7:24 pm
Flemming does some things really well, he just doesn't have a striker's nous. Hardly ever comes away from a dual with a CB with either the ball or a free kick.

People say he's fouled all the time, I think he just throws himself down and expects something from the ref.

Barnes could help him with this.
What? He won loads of fouls today. His physical presence really helped us get back into the game and push a bit further up. Prior, we were losing the battle.
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