Amdouni

[bumba]

...exactly

Not really, you've pulled out one injury hit season for Ryan Giggs to compare with Edwards or Amdouni it's the daftest thing I've ever heard.
He's the record assist holder in the premier league.

[CoolClaret]

Not really, you've pulled out one injury hit season for Ryan Giggs to compare with Edwards or Amdouni it's the daftest thing I've ever heard.
He's the record assist holder in the premier league.

Whoosh.

42 apps in all competitions that year btw.

[Robbie_painter]

Completely different roles.

Football also isn't a game of Top Trumps.

Neither is posting on a messageboard but you seem to think it is

[CoolClaret]

Neither is posting on a messageboard but you seem to think it is

Ok Frank

[bumba]

Whoosh.

42 apps in all competitions that year btw.

So 16 goal contributions not the 5 you mentioned.
You can't count all appearances across all competitions but then only use his 5 league goal contributions.

Whoosh.

[Big Vinny K]

Benfica didn't play yesterday !!!!!

They are currently 5-0 up and guess who has scored
https://x.com/GoalsXtra/status/1916545027267797243

Yep got the date wrong - sorry.
Was just looking at their last game and didn’t realise it was a week ago.

Still the same point that it’s a terrible league and he’s not pulled up any trees.

Can’t be bothered reading rest of the thread but sure it’s as entertaining as ever with Mike Bassett.

[Vegas Claret]

Yep got the date wrong - sorry.
Was just looking at their last game and didn’t realise it was a week ago.

Still the same point that it’s a terrible league and he’s not pulled up any trees.

Can’t be bothered reading rest of the thread but sure it’s as entertaining as ever with Mike Bassett.

yeah all good mate, i'm with you as it stands with Amdouni but if you look how Parker has improved players you just never know. I don't think VK improved that many so i'm not sure about him.

[bumba]

Yep got the date wrong - sorry.
Was just looking at their last game and didn’t realise it was a week ago.

Still the same point that it’s a terrible league and he’s not pulled up any trees.

Can’t be bothered reading rest of the thread but sure it’s as entertaining as ever with Mike Bassett.

It wasn't even their last game it was the 19th April

[jlup1980]

Personally I'd like to see Amdouni in the no.10 role. I don't think he was lazy, certainly not in the early part of last season. He struggled as the season went on, like so many did, due to the ridiculous tactics VK insisted on playing. The lack of shape didn't just hurt the defence, it hurt the whole team.

He has quality on the ball that nobody else in the current squad has. His ability on the half turn, and his first touch, was as good as anyone we've seen for us in the PL. If we're able to harness that he'd be a hell of a player. We need to find our "Matheus Cunha" type player, and Zeki is as close as anyone.

[Big Vinny K]

Plus side is obviously that he’s already our player. If Parker and his team can develop him and get him playing within their framework and disciplines then I think we will all be happy.

As others have pointed out last season was a very tough environment for all of our players and it can be completely different for them under a new manager, new systems etc.

[NewClaret]

Personally I'd like to see Amdouni in the no.10 role. I don't think he was lazy, certainly not in the early part of last season. He struggled as the season went on, like so many did, due to the ridiculous tactics VK insisted on playing. The lack of shape didn't just hurt the defence, it hurt the whole team.

He has quality on the ball that nobody else in the current squad has. His ability on the half turn, and his first touch, was as good as anyone we've seen for us in the PL. If we're able to harness that he'd be a hell of a player. We need to find our "Matheus Cunha" type player, and Zeki is as close as anyone.

I agree with your assessment but not really the cause because our points per game significantly improved in the second half of the season and Kompany did significantly adapt his tactics to achieve that. As well as big personnel improvements in January, of course. We were getting creditable draws against United (who weren’t as bad as they are now) and Chelsea away. We gave it half a shot second half of the season, but we’d already lost it.

I think Amdouni just dropped off if we’re all honest, which is fine for a young player.

I agree with the rest of your post and think it’s probably a case of one position filled if he comes back. It won’t feel like a new signing to the players as such so maybe that’s a positive too!

[dandeclaret]

I think he's a very good player, I think he would benefit from playing in a structured team, and I do think he has the ethos to fit in with what Parker has built at Burnley. Would like to see him stay and be a part of the squad next season.

[jlup1980]

I agree with your assessment but not really the cause because our points per game significantly improved in the second half of the season and Kompany did significantly adapt his tactics to achieve that. As well as big personnel improvements in January, of course. We were getting creditable draws against United (who weren’t as bad as they are now) and Chelsea away. We gave it half a shot second half of the season, but we’d already lost it.

I think Amdouni just dropped off if we’re all honest, which is fine for a young player.

I agree with the rest of your post and think it’s probably a case of one position filled if he comes back. It won’t feel like a new signing to the players as such so maybe that’s a positive too!

I agree we were better in the second half of the season, but the constant chopping and changing didn't help any of the younger players. Amdouni went from being a starter, to a benchwarmer, and when he did play he didn't know whether he'd be up front, no.10, or playing out wide. There was no consistency as he searched for the right formula, and as a result he got it very wrong with a number of players, particularly Amdouni. I think he's a lad who wants a bit of love, or an arm around the shoulder. There's a player in Amdouni, I'm certain of it, and I think Parker could be just the right Manager for him.

[Indecisive]

I think he's a very good player, I think he would benefit from playing in a structured team, and I do think he has the ethos to fit in with what Parker has built at Burnley. Would like to see him stay and be a part of the squad next season.

On balance probably my feelings. And my gut instinct is Parker will make the right call either way if it comes down to his call.

I never really doubted his work ethic. And to me he had the confidence you often see from top players.

[GetIntoEm]

Can't believe people are writing off a player of amdouni's quality based on last year, clear to see he was technically our best player. Same folk who were bawling that Muric went. Crackers

[warksclaret]

WOW-4 pages of debate. Definitely a case of good quality v questions re work rate and fitting in. Surely only one judge of this-its Parker. SP will know his targeted players for next season plus who is likely to be leaving , particularly those out on loan right now and I am confident he will make the right call. Just hope we dont see 2-3 seasons of someone going out on loan each season a la Weghorst

[agreenwood]

He was only 22 when we signed him and showed some flashes of genuine quality.

Given our lack of attacking options, at least giving him a preseason for Parker to have another look at him isn’t the worst idea. Unless he agitates to leave of course, but he did make himself available for our early games this season. That’s more than one or two others did.

[aggi]

I think he's a decent player but he feels difficult to accommodate for a team who are going to be battling around the bottom and set up fairly defensively. I wouldn't say he can play with his back to goal as a sole striker and he's not got the (very high) workrate of someone like Brownhill or Hannibal to play behind the striker.

Maybe useful from the bench but he's a fairly big budget player for that.

[Papabendi]

definitely got talent, the question is whether he is really a player a team needs battling it down at the bottom of the division. Interestingly, given the shop window- better teams clearly decided he wasn't a good fit for them, either.

[ChorltonCharlie]

I agree with your assessment but not really the cause because our points per game significantly improved in the second half of the season and Kompany did significantly adapt his tactics to achieve that. As well as big personnel improvements in January, of course. We were getting creditable draws against United (who weren’t as bad as they are now) and Chelsea away. We gave it half a shot second half of the season, but we’d already lost it.

I think Amdouni just dropped off if we’re all honest, which is fine for a young player.

I agree with the rest of your post and think it’s probably a case of one position filled if he comes back. It won’t feel like a new signing to the players as such so maybe that’s a positive too!

Funny how the memory can play tricks, we picked up 11 points in the first 19, 13 in the second 19. Which isn't really a significant improvement, especially considering the strengthening in the Jan window and that Kompany went more pragmatic.

For the most part Kompany tried to play a passing version of Dyche's pragmatic 4-4-2 in the the second half of the season with Amdouni playing a more orthodox striking role. He looked completely lost and for me looked a shadow of the player we saw in the first few games, where he certainly showed signs of real ability.

If he does stay, will be interesting to see where Parker uses him. I think the best bet could be as a creative unorthodox wide man if he can put in the work rate. Similar to how Coyle often used Blake all those years ago.

[HahaYeah]

I haven't gave up on him yet and hope he stays at Burnley.

Interestingly, Kompany said he was the best finisher at the club.

[FeedTheArf]

Probably a bit extreme to say next year is a make or break season for him, but if he's going to reach the top level he needs to start showing more next season. Hopefully Parker can get the best out of him because there is definitely talent there and messages after he left from fellow players indicate he was well liked.

[RVclaret]

Funny how the memory can play tricks, we picked up 11 points in the first 19, 13 in the second 19. Which isn't really a significant improvement, especially considering the strengthening in the Jan window and that Kompany went more pragmatic.

For the most part Kompany tried to play a passing version of Dyche's pragmatic 4-4-2 in the the second half of the season with Amdouni playing a more orthodox striking role. He looked completely lost and for me looked a shadow of the player we saw in the first few games, where he certainly showed signs of real ability.

If he does stay, will be interesting to see where Parker uses him. I think the best bet could be as a creative unorthodox wide man if he can put in the work rate. Similar to how Coyle often used Blake all those years ago.

Tend to agree with most of that. I think Parker would likely play him as one of two number 10s in a 3-4-3 type system (this is where he plays for Switzerland), as I expect we will use this more frequently next season (SP already used it in games away to Luton and Southampton, as well as during other games in certain moments).

As an example:

——-——-Flemming
—Hannibal————Amdouni
———-—CM———-CM
WB—————————————WB
————CB ——CB—-CB

That way, you get runners / athletic players around him at wing back / CM and workers such as Hannibal etc alongside in forwards areas. FWIW I never thought Amdouni was ‘lazy’ but definitely lacked intensity at times. If he woke up tomorrow with Hannibal’s energy we’d have some player!

[Roosterbooster]

I haven't gave up on him yet and hope he stays at Burnley.

Interestingly, Kompany said he was the best finisher at the club.

He certainly scored a few that suggested his finishing could be very good. Occasionally wasteful. But the left foot finish away at Forest was exceptional

[Conroy92]

Tend to agree with most of that. I think Parker would likely play him as one of two number 10s in a 3-4-3 type system (this is where he plays for Switzerland), as I expect we will use this more frequently next season (SP already used it in games away to Luton and Southampton, as well as during other games in certain moments).

As an example:

——-——-Flemming
—Hannibal————Amdouni
———-—CM———-CM
WB—————————————WB
————CB ——CB—-CB

That way, you get runners / athletic players around him at wing back / CM and workers such as Hannibal etc alongside in forwards areas. FWIW I never thought Amdouni was ‘lazy’ but definitely lacked intensity at times. If he woke up tomorrow with Hannibal’s energy we’d have some player!

It technically means that a lot of wingers become surplus. However I concede you want the options to change it up. I also think Edwards could relish a more inside role.


----------------------New
--Amdouni——----——Edwards
—------—New------—-New
New—————————————New
---—Humphrys——Esteve—-CJ
---------------------Traff

Maybe looks a bit lightweight but the 5 positions labelled new would be the key areas to strengthen for me.

[RVclaret]

It technically means that a lot of wingers become surplus. However I concede you want the options to change it up. I also think Edwards could relish a more inside role.


----------------------New
--Amdouni——----——Edwards
—------—New------—-New
New—————————————New
---—Humphrys——Esteve—-CJ
---------------------Traff

Maybe looks a bit lightweight but the 5 positions labelled new would be the key areas to strengthen for me.

Funny enough that’s where Edwards mainly played under Amorim who uses a similar set up. Not sure you get away with Zeki and him in the same 11 though, unless you are chasing a match. The wingers thing is a bit true, Koleosho did play there under VK and earlier in the season at Luton though.