Remember, they didn't buy the league.....

[Vegas Claret]

......

[jos]

Bigliest!

[Inchy]

THE Leeds UTD


Not that Leeds UTD

[Colburn_Claret]

We need a VAR on Leeds..Are their biggest spenders based on the 100 million they spent, or the 10p in the pound they paid back?

[Hutchy]

Not quite, I'd say. The two seasons where they spent the most I.e 1992/93 and 1993/94, did they win the League in either of those seasons? No.

The club that spent the most in the 1994/95 season was Everton, not Blackburn. Everton won the FA Cup that year in 1995. That is Everton's last trophy win to this present day. If we're going by that logic, Everton 'bought' that FA Cup trophy. Do you agree?

Liverpool spend £143m on Allisson and Van Dijk combined in 2017/18. Around the same time or a year earlier they spend:

£29m on Bobby Firmino
£34m on Sadio Mane.
£34m on Mohammed Salah

That's a total of £240m on those five signings. All played a major part in their first Premier League title win in the 2019/20 season. Did Liverpool 'buy' that title then? Surely if Blackburn did, then so did Liverpool?

If we look at Liverpool's second title win this weekend, with three of those listed playing an integral part. Did they spend buttons on the likes of Diaz, Mac Allister, Gravenberch, Gakpo and Co? No? So they have bought a second Premier League then. Yeah, it's Blackburn, we love to bash them, but let's have some balance, please.

Every club has to spend in order to win. That's the game, as sad a reality that is. If Blackburn have bought their trophies, then so has every other club to have won anything.

[Bosscat]

Not quite, I'd say. The two seasons where they spent the most I.e 1992/93 and 1993/94, did they win the League in either of those seasons? No.

The club that spent the most in the 1994/95 season was Everton, not Blackburn. Everton won the FA Cup that year in 1995. That is Everton's last trophy win to this present day. If we're going by that logic, Everton 'bought' that FA Cup trophy. Do you agree?

Liverpool spend £143m on Allisson and Van Dijk combined in 2017/18. Around the same time or a year earlier they spend:

£29m on Bobby Firmino
£34m on Sadio Mane.
£34m on Mohammed Salah

That's a total of £240m on those five signings. All played a major part in their first Premier League title win in the 2019/20 season. Did Liverpool 'buy' that title then? Surely if Blackburn did, then so did Liverpool?

If we look at Liverpool's second title win this weekend, with three of those listed playing an integral part. Did they spend buttons on the likes of Diaz, Mac Allister, Gravenberch, Gakpo and Co? No? So they have bought a second Premier League then. Yeah, it's Blackburn, we love to bash them, but let's have some balance, please.

Every club has to spend in order to win. That's the game, as sad a reality that is. If Blackburn have bought their trophies, then so has every other club to have won anything.

Hutchy the only balance needed is Venkys on one end and Waggot, Gestede and Pasha on the other end ... perfect Equilibrium in action

[Claret Till I Die]

Every club has to spend in order to win. That's the game, as sad a reality that is. If Blackburn have bought their trophies, then so has every other club to have won anything.

Were Leicester the biggest spenders when they won the league in 2016?

[LincsWoldsClaret]

Spent the most money globally for 2 consecutive seasons - of course they bought the league - and effectively ruined football for generations

[Hutchy]

Were Leicester the biggest spenders when they won the league in 2016?

Has that ever that happened before or since? They were an anomaly. Imagine for a second FFP no longer exists and Pace wakes up tomorrow genuinely thinking 'I want to win the Premier League'.

How do you think he goes about achieving that aim? The same way as everybody else who has that ambition has, is my answer.

[ecc]

Were Leicester the biggest spenders when they won the league in 2016?

Don't ruin things, CTID.

[dandeclaret]

Hey Hutchy…… imagine if your….. I mean their…… fans had turned up for a few of those games instead of protesting against the venkys etc, you….. they….. could be easily in a play off place now.

You’re …. Sorry Theyre a yo yo club aren’t they? Fans are in then out more than a bloke with a stutter singing the okey cokey.

[Claret Till I Die]

Has that ever that happened before or since? They were an anomaly. Imagine for a second FFP no longer exists and Pace wakes up tomorrow genuinely thinking 'I want to win the Premier League'.

How do you think he goes about achieving that aim? The same way as everybody else who has that ambition has, is my answer.

"But so has every other club to have won anything"

No more questions your honour!

[Rowls]

Not quite, I'd say. The two seasons where they spent the most I.e 1992/93 and 1993/94, did they win the League in either of those seasons? No.

Was going to respond to this and explain the error in your thinking...

... then I saw your username.

Nice one Hutchy

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Mind the Gap

[Bosscat]

Has that ever that happened before or since? They were an anomaly. Imagine for a second FFP no longer exists and Pace wakes up tomorrow genuinely thinking 'I want to win the Premier League'.

How do you think he goes about achieving that aim? The same way as everybody else who has that ambition has, is my answer.

That does not alter the fact that Uncy Jacko's cash bought B'tards the League ...

If it wasn't for Venky money keeping the bilge pumps going "The Rotting Hulk" that is B'tard Rovers would be sunk without trace by now ...

[elwaclaret]

To suggest Rovers did not buy the league ignores the fact that they were outbidding everyone in those first two seasons and, paying wages far in excess of anyone else for the length of those contracts. Alan Shearer being a case in point, on the point of joining the richest club in the world at the time, Manchester United - they pulled out because they could not match Jack Walker’s wallet.

[ksrclaret]

When you open a thread on UTC these days, it's either a thread from months ago being bumped for the I'm better than you routine, or it's got this Hutchy homunculus pretending he's got normal alleles.

Gone to the dogs.

[bumba]

Not quite, I'd say. The two seasons where they spent the most I.e 1992/93 and 1993/94, did they win the League in either of those seasons? No.

The club that spent the most in the 1994/95 season was Everton, not Blackburn. Everton won the FA Cup that year in 1995. That is Everton's last trophy win to this present day. If we're going by that logic, Everton 'bought' that FA Cup trophy. Do you agree?

Liverpool spend £143m on Allisson and Van Dijk combined in 2017/18. Around the same time or a year earlier they spend:

£29m on Bobby Firmino
£34m on Sadio Mane.
£34m on Mohammed Salah

That's a total of £240m on those five signings. All played a major part in their first Premier League title win in the 2019/20 season. Did Liverpool 'buy' that title then? Surely if Blackburn did, then so did Liverpool?

If we look at Liverpool's second title win this weekend, with three of those listed playing an integral part. Did they spend buttons on the likes of Diaz, Mac Allister, Gravenberch, Gakpo and Co? No? So they have bought a second Premier League then. Yeah, it's Blackburn, we love to bash them, but let's have some balance, please.

Every club has to spend in order to win. That's the game, as sad a reality that is. If Blackburn have bought their trophies, then so has every other club to have won anything.

Liverpool generated all their money through player sales(Coutinho £125+ million) and massive income, everything you spent was Jack Walkers not Blackburn Rovers.
Enjoy your big day Saturday, hope your one of the 2k season ticket holders for next season, where have you all gone from the Burnley game?

[Robbie_painter]

Have the protests died down now you’ve won a few Hutchy?

[Hutchy]

"But so has every other club to have won anything"

No more questions your honour!

The anomaly does not alter the point I was making.

What do you think the intention of the Leicester ownership was at the start of the 2015/16 season? They had just avoided relegation months before, don't forget.

No way did they go into August 2015 with the aim being to win the Premier League.

Any owner that goes into a season with the aim to win the title spends in order to achieve that aim. It's a fact.

Therefore, if Rovers bought it, then so did Man Utd, so did Arsenal, so did Chelsea, so did Man City and so did Liverpool.

[Bosscat]

When you open a thread on UTC these days, it's either a thread from months ago being bumped for the I'm better than you routine, or it's got this Hutchy homunculus pretending he's got normal alleles.

Gone to the dogs.

[Beagle]

Therefore, if Rovers bought it, then so did Man Utd, so did Arsenal, so did Chelsea, so did Man City and so did Liverpool.

You’ve blown my mind there mate.

[Claret Till I Die]

The anomaly does not alter the point I was making.

What do you think the intention of the Leicester ownership was at the start of the 2015/16 season? They had just avoided relegation months before, don't forget.

No way did they go into August 2015 with the aim being to win the Premier League.

Any owner that goes into a season with the aim to win the title spends in order to achieve that aim. It's a fact.

Therefore, if Rovers bought it, then so did Man Utd, so did Arsenal, so did Chelsea, so did Man City and so did Liverpool.

Anomaly or not, ""But so has every other club to have won anything"

[Hutchy]

Anomaly or not, ""But so has every other club to have won anything"

You are using pedantry to cling on to the view that Blackburn bought their title. Conveniently ignoring all the other examples that go against the Leicester argument.

Everton spent the most in 1994/95 and won the FA Cup. Did they 'buy' that FA Cup trophy?

[Claret Till I Die]

"But so has every other club to have won anything"

What point of that phrase includes Leicester City winning the league in 2016?

[wadeswondergoal]

What are you gaining from pretending to be a Claret, despite being a horse fiddling, Shadsworth dwelling B’stard?

[Rileybobs]

What are you gaining from pretending to be a Claret, despite being a horse fiddling, Shadsworth dwelling B’stard?

Why would anyone admit to being a Blackburn Rovers supporter? Imagine the shame. I’m not even joking, how dreadful must it be whenever someone asks what team you support. I’d have anxiety in any social situation and would probably have meticulously prepared a cover story that I was a Burnley supporter.

[timshorts]

Liverpool spend £143m on Allisson and Van Dijk combined in 2017/18. Around the same time or a year earlier they spend:

£29m on Bobby Firmino
£34m on Sadio Mane.
£34m on Mohammed Salah

That's a total of £240m on those five signings. All played a major part in their first Premier League title win in the 2019/20 season. Did Liverpool 'buy' that title then? Surely if Blackburn did, then so did Liverpool?

Yes. Liverpool bought that title. It wasn't the first that they bought either. But so did Blackburn.

[CrosspoolClarets]

We’ve just bought promotion, twice, so I’m not fussed any more, even though Shearer’s grinning face with that trophy still annoys me.

It just so happens it is with parachute payments not benefactors.

[Bosscat]

You are using pedantry to cling on to the view that Blackburn bought their title. Conveniently ignoring all the other examples that go against the Leicester argument.

Everton spent the most in 1994/95 and won the FA Cup. Did they 'buy' that FA Cup trophy?

We aren't talking about Everton ... we are talking about Horse Fiddling Rovers ... and Uncy Jacko and buying the Premiership ... as everyone kmows he bought the Trophy and stuck it in the Blue'n'white carpeted room at Bollywood.

[Deathtrip]

......

Vegas must be a really boring place to live by the amount of time you spend on here.

[Somethingfishy]

We’ve just bought promotion, twice, so I’m not fussed any more, even though Shearer’s grinning face with that trophy still annoys me.

It just so happens it is with parachute payments not benefactors.

It cracks me up that Hutchy has liked this post. He probably thinks he has someone agreeing with him about us buying promotion. The biggest difference (well it's actually massive) being that we get parachute payments as a result of past achievements. Blackburn were handed the funds that allowed them to outbid the bigger clubs by one man. It wasn't self funded. Not in any way, shape or form.
Just remember they were a rotting hulk when Jack decided enough was enough and sacked Don Mackay as several years of play off failures were looking like turning into a relegation into the lower divisions with a ground struggling to meet Taylor report requirements of the time. The old Riverside stand was a wooden monstrosity of a death trap.
You cannot seriously tell me they then got into the play offs by "buying" Dalglish (how else would a club down the bottom of the second division attract him?) with their own money. No..Walker bought him. They scraped up via the play offs and then he opened the chequebook and blew away the wealthy clubs over the course of two seasons.

Of course it was all bought. You have to be utterly deluded to think otherwise..or a b*stard fan...they are one and the same after all.

[Big Vinny K]

I have no idea what this shadsworth dwelling chav is even trying to argue.

Some teams try to buy the league every season and some succeed and some don’t. It’s pretty simple really and it’s been the case for ever that some clubs are richer and spend more than others. There’s only really one reason why they decide to spend more money than they need to or than any other club.

When a club like Shadsworth Rovers who historically have not spent any money of significance, have a small fan base, a sh-ite ground, generate virtually nothing in commercial revenue, etc etc all of a sudden start to attract and buy the best players and managers then it’s a far more blatant attempt to buy the league than has ever been seen in the EPL.

[Juan Tanamera]

Not quite, I'd say. The two seasons where they spent the most I.e 1992/93 and 1993/94, did they win the League in either of those seasons? No.

The club that spent the most in the 1994/95 season was Everton, not Blackburn. Everton won the FA Cup that year in 1995. That is Everton's last trophy win to this present day. If we're going by that logic, Everton 'bought' that FA Cup trophy. Do you agree?

Liverpool spend £143m on Allisson and Van Dijk combined in 2017/18. Around the same time or a year earlier they spend:

£29m on Bobby Firmino
£34m on Sadio Mane.
£34m on Mohammed Salah

That's a total of £240m on those five signings. All played a major part in their first Premier League title win in the 2019/20 season. Did Liverpool 'buy' that title then? Surely if Blackburn did, then so did Liverpool?

If we look at Liverpool's second title win this weekend, with three of those listed playing an integral part. Did they spend buttons on the likes of Diaz, Mac Allister, Gravenberch, Gakpo and Co? No? So they have bought a second Premier League then. Yeah, it's Blackburn, we love to bash them, but let's have some balance, please.

Every club has to spend in order to win. That's the game, as sad a reality that is. If Blackburn have bought their trophies, then so has every other club to have won anything.

Quite a dig you've had at Liverpool there, but just to sidetrack a little, can you point out where Blackburn in their entire history have had the nous to manage themselves without the help of some sugar daddy?
Even now with the Venky's comedy show, fans are pleading with the likes of the Issa brothers to pull them out of the stinky stuff.
Their entire history is littered with the need for a benefactor of sorts, right back to Victorian times when they paid professionals in an amateur game.

[IPAclaret]

Quite a dig you've had at Liverpool there, but just to sidetrack a little, can you point out where Blackburn in their entire history have had the nous to manage themselves without the help of some sugar daddy?
Even now with the Venky's comedy show, fans are pleading with the likes of the Issa brothers to pull them out of the stinky stuff.
Their entire history is littered with the need for a benefactor of sorts, right back to Victorian times when they paid professionals in an amateur game.

As we keep saying, same old bturds always spending large amounts of other people's money and then whinging it's never enough.

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[claret wizard]

What’s really funny is that they really need us to win on Saturday to keep their promotion juggernaut on the tracks.

[AndrewJB]

It cracks me up that Hutchy has liked this post. He probably thinks he has someone agreeing with him about us buying promotion. The biggest difference (well it's actually massive) being that we get parachute payments as a result of past achievements. Blackburn were handed the funds that allowed them to outbid the bigger clubs by one man. It wasn't self funded. Not in any way, shape or form.
Just remember they were a rotting hulk when Jack decided enough was enough and sacked Don Mackay as several years of play off failures were looking like turning into a relegation into the lower divisions with a ground struggling to meet Taylor report requirements of the time. The old Riverside stand was a wooden monstrosity of a death trap.
You cannot seriously tell me they then got into the play offs by "buying" Dalglish (how else would a club down the bottom of the second division attract him?) with their own money. No..Walker bought him. They scraped up via the play offs and then he opened the chequebook and blew away the wealthy clubs over the course of two seasons.

Of course it was all bought. You have to be utterly deluded to think otherwise..or a b*stard fan...they are one and the same after all.

I’m pretty sure we haven’t had parachute payments for over ten years because each time we’ve been relegated we’ve returned at the first time of asking.

[Somethingfishy]

I’m pretty sure we haven’t had parachute payments for over ten years because each time we’ve been relegated we’ve returned at the first time of asking.

Very true. I think the point is though that any money we have had has come from our own efforts. Prizemoney and tv money and we've invested it well to keep it incoming. That time may end at some point if mismanaged. We initially got there on our own efforts.
They were languishing near the foot of what was the Championship and Walker pumped money in and turned it around over the course of a few seasons. There wasn't a chance in hell they'd have achieved what they did without it.
Gone from the average Lancashire club to blowing Man Utd etc out of the water with wages and attracting players...but no..it wasn't bought they cry

[CrosspoolClarets]

It cracks me up that Hutchy has liked this post. He probably thinks he has someone agreeing with him about us buying promotion. The biggest difference (well it's actually massive) being that we get parachute payments as a result of past achievements. Blackburn were handed the funds that allowed them to outbid the bigger clubs by one man. It wasn't self funded. Not in any way, shape or form.
Just remember they were a rotting hulk when Jack decided enough was enough and sacked Don Mackay as several years of play off failures were looking like turning into a relegation into the lower divisions with a ground struggling to meet Taylor report requirements of the time. The old Riverside stand was a wooden monstrosity of a death trap.
You cannot seriously tell me they then got into the play offs by "buying" Dalglish (how else would a club down the bottom of the second division attract him?) with their own money. No..Walker bought him. They scraped up via the play offs and then he opened the chequebook and blew away the wealthy clubs over the course of two seasons.

Of course it was all bought. You have to be utterly deluded to think otherwise..or a b*stard fan...they are one and the same after all.

Indeed. My post was simply saying due to our recent success I no longer get annoyed by them lording it over us in that period.

Football has become the “haves” and the “have nots”, for now at least, we are the “haves”. The likes of PNE and, currently, Rovers, are the opposite.

[Burnley1989]

I’m pretty sure we haven’t had parachute payments for over ten years because each time we’ve been relegated we’ve returned at the first time of asking.

Thats not how it works, we 100% recieved a payment this year and its much easier to gamble knowing youve a back up if it goes tits up year 1.
Bit of uptheclarets myth i believe

[blackbulllad]

Very true. I think the point is though that any money we have had has come from our own efforts. Prizemoney and tv money and we've invested it well to keep it incoming. That time may end at some point if mismanaged. We initially got there on our own efforts.
They were languishing near the foot of what was the Championship and Walker pumped money in and turned it around over the course of a few seasons. There wasn't a chance in hell they'd have achieved what they did without it.
Gone from the average Lancashire club to blowing Man Utd etc out of the water with wages and attracting players...but no..it wasn't bought they cry

Yeah, there’s a big difference between building success through smart decisions and self-sustainability vs. someone throwing money at a problem and hoping for instant glory

[RammyClaret61]

The biggest abuse of their financial skewing of their standing happened in 2nd Division 1991/92. After finishing a miserable 19th the season before. Then coming up to transfer deadline day. Bastards struggling to make the play-offs used their financial clout to destabilise their nearest rivals. They made an offer of £800,000 for Swindon Town prolific goalscorer Duncan Shearer. An offer they knew they couldn’t refuse. They didn’t buy him to play him, they just wanted to stop him scoring for Swindon. A successful tactic. Rovers pipped Swindon to the last play-off place. Shearer on played 6 games for Rovers and was sold at the end of season for a £300,000 loss. So even before they bought the Premier League, they, imo, underhandedly bought their way out of division 2.

[getbennyon]

It cracks me up that Hutchy has liked this post. He probably thinks he has someone agreeing with him about us buying promotion. The biggest difference (well it's actually massive) being that we get parachute payments as a result of past achievements. Blackburn were handed the funds that allowed them to outbid the bigger clubs by one man. It wasn't self funded. Not in any way, shape or form.
Just remember they were a rotting hulk when Jack decided enough was enough and sacked Don Mackay as several years of play off failures were looking like turning into a relegation into the lower divisions with a ground struggling to meet Taylor report requirements of the time. The old Riverside stand was a wooden monstrosity of a death trap.
You cannot seriously tell me they then got into the play offs by "buying" Dalglish (how else would a club down the bottom of the second division attract him?) with their own money. No..Walker bought him. They scraped up via the play offs and then he opened the chequebook and blew away the wealthy clubs over the course of two seasons.

Of course it was all bought. You have to be utterly deluded to think otherwise..or a b*stard fan...they are one and the same after all.

This is factually inaccurate.

Burnley bought promotion in 2009 and were placed under a transfer embargo for spending more on players than we could afford. Every season since that season we have benefitted from Premier League money/parachute payments.

This whole thread is weird, i'd much rather celebrate winning/buying the Premier League than have a promotion parade for finishing second a season after being relegated.

[gc14]

Manchester United (one of the biggest clubs in the world) but Shearer chose to go Blackburn ? Did he like a night out at
Peppermint Place or was the decision based on Blackburn paying bigger wages than the biggest clubs in the world ??
If you read Roy Keane's book he goes in for contract talks at United, Fergie's 1st words " Before you start Roy we can't
offer you what Blackburn Rovers are paying !!"
A club built on quicksand ... Unsustainable and inevitable the money would run out ...

[jedi_master]

This is factually inaccurate.

Burnley bought promotion in 2009 and were placed under a transfer embargo for spending more on players than we could afford. Every season since that season we have benefitted from Premier League money/parachute payments.

This whole thread is weird, i'd much rather celebrate winning/buying the Premier League than have a promotion parade for finishing second a season after being relegated.

I may be wrong on this, but didn't we only 'spend more than we can afford' due to Brendan Flood's business crumbling halfway through the season (Modus)? Unless I am mistaken or naive, I don't think we knowingly spent beyond our means in the summer of 2008. Indeed, we sold Kyle Lafferty for Rangers for £3.5m (having also sold Andy Gray to Charlton a few months earlier for £1.5m) and replaced him with:

Martin Paterson - £1.3m
Chris Eagles - £1m
Kevin McDonald - £500k
Diego Penny - £400k (gulp)
Remco Van Der Schaff (haha!)
Steven Thompson - £0
Christian Kalvenes - £0

Obviously that is more salaries in than out, but that doesn't seem like we 'bought' promotion to me.

[Juan Tanamera]

This is factually inaccurate.

Burnley bought promotion in 2009 and were placed under a transfer embargo for spending more on players than we could afford. Every season since that season we have benefitted from Premier League money/parachute payments.

This whole thread is weird, i'd much rather celebrate winning/buying the Premier League than have a promotion parade for finishing second a season after being relegated.

I'm sure someone will correct me, but wasn't the embargo back then because we missed paying an installment to Manchester United for Chris Eagles?

[IanMcL]

Were Leicester the biggest spenders when they won the league in 2016?

No they were the biggest beneficiaries of fake penalties, awarded to ensure their success and demonstrate that 'anyone can win the Prem'.

[Claret Till I Die]

No they were the biggest beneficiaries of fake penalties, awarded to ensure their success and demonstrate that 'anyone can win the Prem'.

That wasn't the question though

[IanMcL]

That wasn't the question though

No it was the answer!

[Claret Till I Die]

No it was the answer!

Were you a politician in a previous life?

[Vince Fontaine]

Not quite, I'd say. The two seasons where they spent the most I.e 1992/93 and 1993/94, did they win the League in either of those seasons? No.

The club that spent the most in the 1994/95 season was Everton, not Blackburn. Everton won the FA Cup that year in 1995. That is Everton's last trophy win to this present day. If we're going by that logic, Everton 'bought' that FA Cup trophy. Do you agree?


Every club has to spend in order to win. That's the game, as sad a reality that is. If Blackburn have bought their trophies, then so has every other club to have won anything.

Wigan 2013?
Shame they didn’t spend their money on survival instead of “buying “ the FA cup.
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