Parker - In or Out

[taio]

In.

[Corway]

Have people made up their minds yet?

The EFL Awards have!

[Bosscat]

Have people made up their minds yet?

This lot did.

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[boatshed bill]

Great achievement, well done Scott Parker. He's achieved far more than I expected.

[burnley007]

Have people made up their minds yet?

Undecided

[Clovius Boofus]

It won't be long before the noisy naysayers are at it again.

[brexit]

I have great respect for the man and the job he has done and would love him to stay and prove he can keep a team in the prem, but there is a sense of déjà vu like last season with Vinnie I think he will be at spurs next season and we will end up with Cooper.
So happy to be proved wrong on this.

[warksclaret]

For me he has rivalled that fantastic promotion season with VK, but done it in a different way, with less resources in terms of players. VK started with some very exciting players, SP developed his players during the season, breaking many performance records. What I like about Parker is that I don't believe we will see any nasty surprises about him in the coming season. His playing style might prove to be more suited to PL survival than VK's. Time will tell. For a reality check this season just check out Luton's stats.

[Dark Cloud]

He's done ok, but still feel it's a shame we missed out on Rooney.

[adropofclaret]

Most definitely in for me and given the mess he inherited when he first arrived and the journey since to become promoted and potentially league champs is nothing short of remarkable.
I can clearly see what it meant to him, how the players reacted and the club had that we are Burnley feel factor back.
None of that is easy and shows what a man he is - he's had knockbacks and has clearly learned from them and grown from them, still learning but I'm not sure if have anyone else at this given time leading the lads into the so called promised land.
We are not a cut throat club and SP should be given the time despite the outcome.
History shows that it's very much against promoted teams staying up and we should back him for the season ahead.
No knee jerk reactions required.

[kentonclaret]

I was fully supportive of Parker on here from the moment that he was first linked with the job and throughout the season. He has done an incredible job.
However, keeping Burnley in the PL next season could prove an almost impossible task. It is not just the fact that the 3 promoted clubs are coming straight back down, having scored fewest goals whilst conceding the most, but the fact that there is a 15 points gap to survival.
It takes a huge level of investment to bring in the players necessary for PL survival but it will be interesting to see how Parker fares with the challenges that lie ahead.

[Guller Bull]

I didn't want him in but once he was in there was little point in him being sacked.

I always felt he would/should get us promoted with his record and with the riches he had at his disposal but that first half of the season was mind numbingly tedious. So much so that even on the games I possibly could have got to, there was no way I was travelling and spending to watch that. This will have been the first season in about 57 seasons of supporting Burnley that I haven't got to a single game. I wasn't a Scott Parker fan and will wait to see how he/we get on in the Prem before lauding him with platitudes.

That said, he has done incredibly bloody well in putting a bond between a whole club. He presents himself fantastically well. He relates well to players and equally importantly to his fellow staff and his board and chairman. That allays a lot of my fears of what we saw happen in his time at Bournemouth. I think he has matured massively
The second half of the season we just became incrementally better and better (with the odd twitch back to old ways) but some of the football we played was sublime.

I am not ready to eat the whole humble pie because I feel he has done what I expected him to do. I will judge him on how he handles the inbalances of the Premier League next season. But massive credit where it is due he has proved me wrong in how I felt about him as a person and as a man manager.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

It's lovely seeing these threads reappear and view those same contributers continually and consistently make collective complete t!ts of themselves for all to see

Just take note when they inevitably reappear next season when things aren't going so well

[gandhisflipflop]

These fans that are dragging up past posts or calling others out for views held earlier in the season are just as cringy. Yes, Parker has won a lot (including myself) over and yes he has proven to be a great appointment, and I’m sure a lot of peoples opinions have changed over time including mine. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. It was really really poor viewing earlier on in the season, and some of the criticism was a natural result of this but he’s addressed it and it’s improved so why can’t we just enjoy it?

[Claret Till I Die]

These fans that are dragging up past posts or calling others out for views held earlier in the season are just as cringy. Yes, Parker has won a lot (including myself) over and yes he has proven to be a great appointment, and I’m sure a lot of peoples opinions have changed over time including mine. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. It was really really poor viewing earlier on in the season, and some of the criticism was a natural result of this but he’s addressed it and it’s improved so why can’t we just enjoy it?

But not all fans post knee jerk reactions and are able to see the bigger picture at the time.

[quoonbeatz]

Out

[dandeclaret]

These fans that are dragging up past posts or calling others out for views held earlier in the season are just as cringy. Yes, Parker has won a lot (including myself) over and yes he has proven to be a great appointment, and I’m sure a lot of peoples opinions have changed over time including mine. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. It was really really poor viewing earlier on in the season, and some of the criticism was a natural result of this but he’s addressed it and it’s improved so why can’t we just enjoy it?

It was nowhere near as poor as too many were rushing to try and point out, in my eyes at least.... and seemed to be cos bournemouth and Fulham fans told them it was going to be that bad. Fulham and Bournemouth probably had more mentions on here than they were even getting on their own Forums.

Games where there were tight margins, were marked down as the same as the occasional genuinely tedious performance like Leeds at home, games where clear chances were created and missed were used to demonstrate that somehow the team wasn't trying, or the manager wasn't committed to winning.

Now, I understand those who have a viewpoint that Parkers team are playing modern football, and that modern football generally is dull and boring to them - that's a viewpoint I have some sympathy with. But those who were hammering Parker constantly, giving him zero credit, likening him to far inferior managers like Heckingbottom, for example, they're the ones who the bumps are probably pointed at.

[willsclarets]

These fans that are dragging up past posts or calling others out for views held earlier in the season are just as cringy. Yes, Parker has won a lot (including myself) over and yes he has proven to be a great appointment, and I’m sure a lot of peoples opinions have changed over time including mine. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. It was really really poor viewing earlier on in the season, and some of the criticism was a natural result of this but he’s addressed it and it’s improved so why can’t we just enjoy it?

Nah I think it's warranted. Fine to have any opinion you want, but if that opinion is reactionary nonsense with little thought or merit, then don;t be suprised to see it thrown back in your face. The cringe-worthiness is to be found earlier in this thread, not at the end of it. You didn't need the gift of hindsight to know that while entertainment value wasn't great, we had the foundations of something that would give us a chance. The lack of any foresight was the problem. And the criticisms of individual players who were just settling in, was off-the-charts ridiculous.

[elwaclaret]

He was not my first choice, but since he got the role I have mainly supported him. Had a little wobble post Christmas, but always hoped it was a matter of building from the back and work ethic. I was delighted to see him take the hand brake off in the run in. I believe we are now getting there but he sees us as a work in progress, I don’t see him thinking he’s cracked it but new arrivals now come into a different culture than twelve months ago.

[EMANTO2]

A key factor to take away from this season is the work ethic Parker has created around a very young side. That is a very hard task to do and he has achieved a lot. Backed Parker from the start and will continue to do so. Exceptional manager

[ChorltonCharlie]

I am not ready to eat the whole humble pie because I feel he has done what I expected him to do. I will judge him on how he handles the inbalances of the Premier League next season. But massive credit where it is due he has proved me wrong in how I felt about him as a person and as a man manager.

Surely if you're reserving judgment on him now because all he's done in your opinion is meet expectations, then you need to do the same next year when the widespread expectation is we finish in the bottom 3? Unless of course we stay up, at which point that's a bloody big piece of pie you'll be stuffing down your neck.

[gandhisflipflop]

Nah I think it's warranted. Fine to have any opinion you want, but if that opinion is reactionary nonsense with little thought or merit, then don;t be suprised to see it thrown back in your face. The cringe-worthiness is to be found earlier in this thread, not at the end of it. You didn't need the gift of hindsight to know that while entertainment value wasn't great, we had the foundations of something that would give us a chance. The lack of any foresight was the problem. And the criticisms of individual players who were just settling in, was off-the-charts ridiculous.

Last season was far worse. Fans who were no doubt at the parade declaring their love for VK slagging off calling for his head 2 months later. That’s with the history of the incredible promotion season but because it didn’t work out, those posts are left alone.


Hindsight is a wonderful thing. It doesn’t make people a footballing geniuses with the ‘told you so’ posts

[Ampth7]

I didn't want him in but once he was in there was little point in him being sacked.

I always felt he would/should get us promoted with his record and with the riches he had at his disposal but that first half of the season was mind numbingly tedious. So much so that even on the games I possibly could have got to, there was no way I was travelling and spending to watch that. This will have been the first season in about 57 seasons of supporting Burnley that I haven't got to a single game. I wasn't a Scott Parker fan and will wait to see how he/we get on in the Prem before lauding him with platitudes.

That said, he has done incredibly bloody well in putting a bond between a whole club. He presents himself fantastically well. He relates well to players and equally importantly to his fellow staff and his board and chairman. That allays a lot of my fears of what we saw happen in his time at Bournemouth. I think he has matured massively
The second half of the season we just became incrementally better and better (with the odd twitch back to old ways) but some of the football we played was sublime.

I am not ready to eat the whole humble pie because I feel he has done what I expected him to do. I will judge him on how he handles the inbalances of the Premier League next season. But massive credit where it is due he has proved me wrong in how I felt about him as a person and as a man manager.

No need for any humble pie mate, I and others agree with your opinion about how turgidly boring we were to watch earlier in the season! For example, Pompey away is a whole day of my life that I won’t get back, it was so boring!

[willsclarets]

Last season was far worse. Fans who were no doubt at the parade declaring their love for VK slagging off calling for his head 2 months later. That’s with the history of the incredible promotion season but because it didn’t work out, those posts are left alone.


Hindsight is a wonderful thing. It doesn’t make people a footballing geniuses with the ‘told you so’ posts

To want Parker fired when this thread was posted, was a ridiculous suggestion. I'm not talking about people expressing frustration at our lack of goals etc. That's normal. The childish knee jerk posts that throw the baby and all its toys out the pram and with the bathwater look silly now because they were silly then. Aain you don't need hindsight for that one.

[RVclaret]

No need for any humble pie mate, I and others agree with your opinion about how turgidly boring we were to watch earlier in the season! For example, Pompey away is a whole day of my life that I won’t get back, it was so boring!

‘Turgidly boring’ or just a new, young and developing team, that had been put together inside an actual season (not sure I’ve ever seen that before), missing a real creative spark & balance (arrived on the last day in January), missing key players through injury and missing time spent on the training pitch? Pompey away is a great example of how tough the Championship is, their home record is fairly outstanding for a newly promoted team, their pitch is poor & manager sets them up to disrupt teams. It’s why they took points off all of the top 4. Essentially you just wanted QPR away performances every week and felt entitled to receive them.

[Claret Till I Die]

Last season was far worse. Fans who were no doubt at the parade declaring their love for VK slagging off calling for his head 2 months later. That’s with the history of the incredible promotion season but because it didn’t work out, those posts are left alone.


Hindsight is a wonderful thing. It doesn’t make people a footballing geniuses with the ‘told you so’ posts

A well rounded opinion that doesn't change rather than knee jerk reactions are far less likely to be brought back up though. There are people on here that were calling Hannibal a liability and that he should never play for our club again after the Stoke game that are now singing his praises amongst other things.

[NottsClaret]

Now, I understand those who have a viewpoint that Parkers team are playing modern football, and that modern football generally is dull and boring to them - that's a viewpoint I have some sympathy with. But those who were hammering Parker constantly, giving him zero credit, likening him to far inferior managers like Heckingbottom, for example, they're the ones who the bumps are probably pointed at.

That's a very reasonable point. I didn't want Parker initially, or even a fair way into the season. Looking back, we've played exactly how you'd expect his teams to play for the most part. But as you say, that's how much of modern football is. Certainly when you have better players than the opposition. It doesn't allow for chance or randomness. Everything is controlled to the smallest degree and eventually, the marginally better squad will prevail over a season if you all follow the plan.

So I'm sure I didn't give him enough credit for just how professionally he can do that. He's meticulous and he's clearly a very good man manager. The players like him and run themselves into the ground for him. Obviously, we've yet to see if he can learn to adapt to a situation when your squad is weaker than almost everyone else's. Although that's becoming such an impossible challenge, it's maybe harsh to judge anyone on.

[Darnhill Claret]

The players have tried to do it the way the manager wanted them to do it, but it wasn't easy. He stayed loyal to them because he could see they were trying to do it his way. They stuck with the process because they could see, it was working, all they had to do, was to do it better.
Better passing, quicker passing, getting the ball to stick up front, defend as a team, help every other team member, work off the ball when we had it. Work off the ball when we didn't have it. Try 100% but don't put that much into a game that you wouldn't recover in time for the next game. So learn to conserve some energy within a game when possible. Refuel at appropriate times during games. Learn the 'team press' and the 'team drop off'.
Recover the team shape quickly. Speak to each other, encourage, forgive mistakes, keep trying, don't get carried away by crowd mutterings and know that you won't be judged on a couple of mistakes in a game.

[Darnhill Claret]

It is a long season.

[gandhisflipflop]

A well rounded opinion that doesn't change rather than knee jerk reactions are far less likely to be brought back up though. There are people on here that were calling Hannibal a liability and that he should never play for our club again after the Stoke game that are now singing his praises amongst other things.

Having sat through last season, players wanting out left right and centre, to then watching the full displays, to then having him sent off in the manner that he did, you can understand the frustration in the direct aftermath of the game. Worse things will have been said in pubs. He’s turned it around superbly.

[Ampth7]

‘Turgidly boring’ or just a new, young and developing team, that had been put together inside an actual season (not sure I’ve ever seen that before), missing a real creative spark & balance (arrived on the last day in January), missing key players through injury and missing time spent on the training pitch? Pompey away is a great example of how tough the Championship is, their home record is fairly outstanding for a newly promoted team, their pitch is poor & manager sets them up to disrupt teams. It’s why they took points off all of the top 4. Essentially you just wanted QPR away performances every week and felt entitled to receive them.

The first parts of your message I absolutely agree with and I take that on the chin in terms of showing more patience which I accept I can do better. Again, I can’t speak for others on here.

I don’t agree with your final statement about being entitled by expecting a 5-0 thumping of our opponents each week. I simply do not expect or even want that to be the case every game because that would also become boring!

I do appreciate that Pompey away is no easy game, but I could have given at least 10 other examples earlier in the season in which I thought we were dull as dishwater to watch including several very winnable home games. Some of these games felt like we barely had a shot on goal and I was really frustrated by this. Equally, when we have had a real go and/or played well, I have given credit where it’s due.

I do also agree with others comments on here about the ‘modern’ way football is often now played. I think Gary Neville and co were talking about this very issue recently and I think they may have a point and I think we have occasionally fallen in to this trap at times this season with keep ball for keep ball sake. It will be interesting to see what our style of play will be next season because I think we will have to change this to adapt to the challenges of the Premier League.

One final thing I would say, if we had gone on to draw a further 12 games 0-0, thus costing us automatic promotion I wouldn’t be on here pointing fingers claiming that I was somehow right all along. I merely remark on each game as I see it good or bad purely as my opinion. I am getting a bit bored of the ‘I am holier than thou’ posts that some members of this board seem to be revelling in now that we have won promotion. I would much rather enjoy the success that has come our way, give credit where it’s due, whilst also recognising the huge challenges that lie ahead of us. On that note, Parker deserves time to try to get it right next season, but if we are getting pummelled 4-0 every week then questions will rightly be asked of the manager and his team. I’m sure they are big and ugly enough to be able to cope with a bit of criticism from us paying fans! UTC!

[Claret Till I Die]

Having sat through last season, players wanting out left right and centre, to then watching the full displays, to then having him sent off in the manner that he did, you can understand the frustration in the direct aftermath of the game. Worse things will have been said in pubs. He’s turned it around superbly.

Some said that he was a silly lad but he'd learn from it in the direct aftermath of the game though.

[Vegas Claret]

I mentioned it on a different thread, this season has definately reminded me that patience is a virtue.

[bfcmik]

I always felt he would/should get us promoted with his record and with the riches he had at his disposal but that first half of the season was mind numbingly tedious.
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I wasn't a Scott Parker fan and will wait to see how he/we get on in the Prem before lauding him with platitudes.
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But massive credit where it is due he has proved me wrong in how I felt about him as a person and as a man manager.

If he had been able to keep the team/squad that had ripped apart Luton and Cardiff I would agree with you. But almost all the quality players moved on between the Cardiff and Sunderland fixtures meaning there had to be a scramble to sign players and then time to gel them into a unit that could get us within touching distance of 100 points at the end of the season. I'll accept that it has not been an easy watch at times and that we have lacked effectiveness on a frustrating number of occasions, but we have also played some incredible football at times too, 1st half at Plymouth, Sheff Utd away, QPR away, Luton twice, Watford away after they scored, etc.

You say you will wait to see how he gets on in the Prem before lauding him - will that be tempered by the lack of 'riches' he will have at that level or on whether he has us challenging for European places? Realistically, we will be either the lowest or 2nd lowest funded sides in the PL, with the lowest or 2nd lowest team value and a corresponding revenue base. So assuming we look like we could be 3rd bottom would that surpass your expectation?

And a massive credit to you to accept that he has managed to change your view of him!

[kentonclaret]

I wasn't a Scott Parker fan and will wait to see how he/we get on in the Prem before lauding him with platitudes.


I am not ready to eat the whole humble pie because I feel he has done what I expected him to do. I will judge him on how he handles the inbalances of the Premier League next season.

Some are already wielding the Premier League cudgel promising Parker a good beating should he fail to defy all reasonable expectations and keep a promoted Championship club up for a second season.

[CoolClaret]

Some are already wielding the Premier League cudgel promising Parker a good beating should he fail to defy all reasonable expectations and keep a promoted Championship club up for a second season.

Moving the goalposts so they will never be wrong.

Relegation also wouldn't nor shouldn't be considered a failure. It's a bloody tough league, all we need to see is a team fighting for one another and the shirt - if we are to go down, then stick with our man and bob back up and give it another go the next time.

[kentonclaret]

Moving the goalposts so they will never be wrong.

Relegation also wouldn't nor shouldn't be considered a failure. It's a bloody tough league, all we need to see is a team fighting for one another and the shirt - if we are to go down, then stick with our man and bob back up and give it another go the next time.

Agree with that but it also feels that it is becoming increasingly difficult just to survive for a newly promoted Championship side. Ipswich are currently 3rd from bottom but are some 15 points adrift of safety with a vastly inferior goal difference. Hopefully, this will not become the norm and teams at the lower end of the table are at least in touching distance come May.
We all know that a massive challenge lies ahead but it will be fascinating to see how Parker approaches it in the months that follow.

[CoolClaret]

Agree with that but it also feels that it is becoming increasingly difficult just to survive for a newly promoted Championship side. Ipswich are currently 3rd from bottom but are some 15 points adrift of safety with a vastly inferior goal difference. Hopefully, this will not become the norm and teams at the lower end of the table are at least in touching distance come May.
We all know that a massive challenge lies ahead but it will be fascinating to see how Parker approaches it in the months that follow.

With Ipswich having consecutive promotions then I'm not surprised really, their starting point for building a side to compete is way behind what ours is.

Hopefully it won't become the norm but as you say but at least this time at least we're not going to shoot ourselves in the foot every week.

[boyyanno]

Reading through this is interesting.

There were 3 teams in this division who all expected to finish in the top 2. We've beaten Sheff out of one of those spots and we're currently sat on a points tally that would normally see you run away with the league title. We're on a club record unbeaten run, set records for having the best defence ever and still have further records we can reach/set- both individually and as a team. We also sit top of the league right now, admittedly played a game more, but 3 points better off than our rival as things stand and Parker has also scooped manager of the season.

Staggeringly this team has a good chance to finish on 100 points- Just 1 behind the achievement with Kompany.

Wether we finish 2nd or 1st you can't tell me that's normal or just meeting expectations, no one said Kompany had just done what was expected of him.

[No Ney Never]

I think many of us allow the transfer window to conclude, take stock of what we have, then try and evaluate what we think we could achieve with what we have.
For this season I was thinking play off place, we were on track, then Edwards arrived and after his first couple of games, I moved to play off/ autos.
I thought we'd left it too late for auto given how SU & LU were consistently grinding out results and was resigned to play offs fearing Sunderland, then SU gifted us an opportunity and we took it.

Next season is going to be a huge challenge and as we all know, we can't wait until the winter transfer window before we step up, we're going to have to have a bit more about us a bit sooner. Hopefully this season has laid the foundations pre prem and we retain as many of our best players as possible.

[Marney&Mee]

Out. He’s lost the dressing room…

[Corway]

Spurs seem to think he wants to move there and £10m compensation
https://www.tottenhamhotspurnews.com/ex ... laim-made/
Hope it’s click bait!

[Grimsdale]

The Spurs link is complete nonsense. It's basically Richard Keys saying he'd imagine Parker would be interested if Spurs wanted him and the compensation would probably be around 10 million.

[kentonclaret]

Daniel Levy needs to listen to the Fulham and Bournemouth fans before appointing Scott Parker as Spurs manager