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Dyche on the Overlap

Post by Ric_C » Thu May 15, 2025 11:52 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRnzHndM7dE

Not watched it yet. But if anyone has a spare hour...

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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by helmclaret » Thu May 15, 2025 12:05 pm

Says he got hammered for signing Heaton again!

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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by BurnleyFC » Thu May 15, 2025 12:08 pm

helmclaret wrote:
Thu May 15, 2025 12:05 pm
Says he got hammered for signing Heaton again!
I’ve heard him say that before.

I don’t think he ever got criticised for signing Tom Heaton. Most agreed that he was a good goalkeeper, even though his side had just been relegated.

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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by Hibsclaret » Thu May 15, 2025 12:08 pm

Good mates with Keane given the constant nudging of his arm. Entertaining hour to be fair.

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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by boyyanno » Thu May 15, 2025 12:12 pm

He didn't get hammered for signing Heaton, he did for signing Arfield though if I remember.

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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by Socrates » Thu May 15, 2025 12:52 pm

Huge “needless to say I had the last laugh” energy from Dyche generally.

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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by Goliath » Thu May 15, 2025 12:55 pm

He loves the Heaton thing. It was always nonsense because generally Burnley fans knew Heaton pretty well because he'd had some outstanding performances against us. It was a widely popular signing.

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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Thu May 15, 2025 12:58 pm

He is increasingly veering into the David Brent territory.

You do wonder where he will rock up next? It feels like a big call for him. Strongest fit would seem to be Rangers, but imagine he would fancy his chances at Leicester. Would he try his luck abroad?
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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by martin_p » Thu May 15, 2025 1:13 pm

He’s always good value to be fair and he speaks a lot of sense, in my opinion, over the way football has gone over the last few years.
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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Thu May 15, 2025 1:15 pm

Slightly leftfield, but given he's likely made more money thean he could realistically need already, could he say "sod it" and take a pundit job on Sky or MOTD?

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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by NottsClaret » Thu May 15, 2025 1:23 pm

Easy for us to pick up on his familiar anecdotes and mannerisms, you've an hour to fill so he'll fall back on those stories.

He's right about changing the lives of a lot of that first squad he had. And obviously the club and the town - he did well out of it himself but it's a hell of a legacy.

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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by martin_p » Thu May 15, 2025 1:28 pm

ŽižkovClaret wrote:
Thu May 15, 2025 1:15 pm
Slightly leftfield, but given he's likely made more money thean he could realistically need already, could he say "sod it" and take a pundit job on Sky or MOTD?
Think he may end up at Leicester personally.
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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by CoolClaret » Thu May 15, 2025 1:36 pm

ŽižkovClaret wrote:
Thu May 15, 2025 12:58 pm
He is increasingly veering into the David Brent territory.
I agree; with each passing interview, he's becoming more like this.

Almost a caricature of himself at times.
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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by Anonymous Claret » Thu May 15, 2025 1:41 pm

it would be funny if he ended up at Leicester as he seemed to really rile up their fans during the 2014 promotion season.

I think Leicester would be a good fit for him and he would do very well there.

Would their fans take to him and his style of football though? They hounded Cooper out who was doing reasonably well. After winning the league a few years ago they seem to think that they should play a certain style of football. Similar to the West Ham way, the Leicester way will be craved by their happy clapper fans.

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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by Marney&Mee » Thu May 15, 2025 1:43 pm

ŽižkovClaret wrote:
Thu May 15, 2025 12:58 pm
He is increasingly veering into the David Brent territory.

You do wonder where he will rock up next? It feels like a big call for him. Strongest fit would seem to be Rangers, but imagine he would fancy his chances at Leicester. Would he try his luck abroad?
I think he’ll be the next Leicester manager. Perfect fit as they look to rebuild…
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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by getbennyon » Thu May 15, 2025 1:52 pm

Dyche often used the 'everbody tipped us to be relegated' every season when very few people infact ever did tip us to be relegated.

He has a Nigel Farage about him.

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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by Woodleyclaret » Thu May 15, 2025 1:59 pm

Most successful and entertaining manager in my 60 odd yrs supporting my team I often wonder what he would done with proper money in his last years at Burnley
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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Thu May 15, 2025 1:59 pm

I suspect the Leicester fans have notions of being "better than dyche". Recent record doesn't really support that, mind

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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Thu May 15, 2025 2:08 pm

I’ve never heard anyone have to quantify their statements as much as Dyche does.

I can imagine him going into a shop and asking for a Mars Bar whilst adding “that’s nothing against Snickers by the way”.
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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by martin_p » Thu May 15, 2025 2:21 pm

getbennyon wrote:
Thu May 15, 2025 1:52 pm
Dyche often used the 'everbody tipped us to be relegated' every season when very few people infact ever did tip us to be relegated.

He has a Nigel Farage about him.
If that refers to the Premier League seasons then he’s right. We were also unfancied in the 13/14 promotion season. In fact the only season he was there when we were expected to do well is 15/16.
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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu May 15, 2025 2:22 pm

Give me no nonsense no bullshit any day of the week

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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by getbennyon » Thu May 15, 2025 2:43 pm

martin_p wrote:
Thu May 15, 2025 2:21 pm
If that refers to the Premier League seasons then he’s right. We were also unfancied in the 13/14 promotion season. In fact the only season he was there when we were expected to do well is 15/16.
Nope, you are rewriting history.

Burnley were always perceived to be 'Dyche will see them safe' and the bookies odds never had us as favourites to go down in our final 5 season despite Dyche repeatedly saying otherwise.

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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu May 15, 2025 2:57 pm

getbennyon wrote:
Thu May 15, 2025 2:43 pm
Nope, you are rewriting history.

Burnley were always perceived to be 'Dyche will see them safe' and the bookies odds never had us as favourites to go down in our final 5 season despite Dyche repeatedly saying otherwise.
In those last 5 seasons can you show what price we were for relegation and the price of the 3 favourites
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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by Pickles » Thu May 15, 2025 3:07 pm

Obviously was brilliant for us. Never thought I'd see Burnley play in Europe.

But always found him a bit cringeworthy in interviews. He definitely has a "but you can't say anything nowadays" vibe about him. Not saying it's necessarily good or bad, just definitely that sort of vibe.

Wouldn't get the control he got at Burnley elsewhere and the game moves on quickly, maybe already beyond him. Can't see him managing above Championship level. Maybe Scotland.

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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by Ric_C » Thu May 15, 2025 3:19 pm

Love Dyche to bits, but he always seems to come across as though he's auditioning for his next role whenever he's in these situations.

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Post by Herts Clarets » Thu May 15, 2025 3:29 pm

Funnily enough I had a memory pop up on FB from 2013 from my step father and it said it looks like we are signing the Bristol City keeper. I think we had just put 4 past them at the Turf and could have been a cricket score but for him. My reply was that I was happy if we were signing him as I really rated him. A comment from a mate who supports Barnet said he can't be that good as his team was relegated. MY reply was we were signing one player not their whole team. Then a few years later when i must have popped up in memories again, the reply to Barnet was shows how much you know about football, Heaton being both a Premier League regular and an England International.

I don't know of one single person who disagreed with Dyche signing him, never mind hammering him

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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by JohnDearyMe » Thu May 15, 2025 3:43 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Thu May 15, 2025 12:08 pm
Good mates with Keane given the constant nudging of his arm. Entertaining hour to be fair.
Think they were both on the books together at Nottm Forest as young men briefly

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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by Tricky Trevor » Thu May 15, 2025 3:45 pm

getbennyon wrote:
Thu May 15, 2025 1:52 pm
Dyche often used the 'everbody tipped us to be relegated' every season when very few people infact ever did tip us to be relegated.

He has a Nigel Farage about him.
13/14 the bookies had us in the bottom 3 and then we sold Charlie Austin. A brilliant turn around season.

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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by HahaYeah » Thu May 15, 2025 3:54 pm

Dyche was great for us. I wish him all the best.

Hope he gets the Leicester job.
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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Thu May 15, 2025 3:59 pm

Ric_C wrote:
Thu May 15, 2025 3:19 pm
Love Dyche to bits, but he always seems to come across as though he's auditioning for his next role whenever he's in these situations.
Thing is when he continues with his laddish act he’s actually minimizing the number of possibilities open to him. Clubs now want modern coaches with modern coaching methods.

He’s painting himself into a corner where he can only be a) a specialist relegation saver like Warnock or Allardyce or b) a pundit slash social media personality
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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by agreenwood » Thu May 15, 2025 4:09 pm

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:
Thu May 15, 2025 3:59 pm
Thing is when he continues with his laddish act he’s actually minimizing the number of possibilities open to him. Clubs now want modern coaches with modern coaching methods.

He’s painting himself into a corner where he can only be a) a specialist relegation saver like Warnock or Allardyce or b) a pundit slash social media personality
He’ll have made fortunes over the last 15 years. Maybe a career in the media will tick him over nicely.

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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by dvalley69 » Thu May 15, 2025 4:09 pm

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:
Thu May 15, 2025 3:59 pm
Thing is when he continues with his laddish act he’s actually minimizing the number of possibilities open to him. Clubs now want modern coaches with modern coaching methods.

He’s painting himself into a corner where he can only be a) a specialist relegation saver like Warnock or Allardyce or b) a pundit slash social media personality
From listening to the episode he seems to accept that and wears it as a badge of honour; that's his skillset and would be happy to keep doing those kinds of jobs. Owners know what they're getting when they hire him. I guess he feels content enough to have had the success he's had and has got money in the bank so doesn't need to change as a manager. Can't blame a 50+ year old for that, I guess. He's gonna enjoy his life and see what happens.

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Post by FeedTheArf » Thu May 15, 2025 4:16 pm

Absolutely fantastic manager for us, but I can’t bare to listen to him on podcasts and the like. It’s the same tales being trotted out time after time. Like an old pro with the same tired after-dinner speech working the circuit.

He got pelters from Burnley fans - he didn’t
He did some gardening for Brian Clough once - enthralling stuff
He came from a working class background - as do most footballers
He likes music - who doesn’t?

It’s as much the fault of the interviewer in leading him down those avenues but it doesn’t half make for boring content.

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Post by Fretters » Thu May 15, 2025 4:47 pm

I think he likely got more pelters for signing Nick Pope after Charlton had just been relegated, especially as Boro' (who went up with us) signed Victor Valdés. That said, I don't particularly remember him getting pelters for either Heaton or Pope.

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Post by Pickles » Thu May 15, 2025 4:50 pm

CharlieinNewMexico wrote:
Thu May 15, 2025 3:59 pm
Thing is when he continues with his laddish act he’s actually minimizing the number of possibilities open to him. Clubs now want modern coaches with modern coaching methods.

He’s painting himself into a corner where he can only be a) a specialist relegation saver like Warnock or Allardyce or b) a pundit slash social media personality
He's got TalkSport-itus.

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Post by ŽižkovClaret » Thu May 15, 2025 4:51 pm

Ric_C wrote:
Thu May 15, 2025 3:19 pm
Love Dyche to bits, but he always seems to come across as though he's auditioning for his next role whenever he's in these situations.
I mean, he is isn't he?

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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Thu May 15, 2025 4:52 pm

:lol: Could probably make a fair whack managing in Saudi, minus 50 Grand or so each year on factor 50

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Post by Walt » Thu May 15, 2025 4:56 pm

We hear them that often I just get sick of listening to them. 10 years is a long time to hear similar stuff from 1 person. I'm sure I'll be sick of Parker soon enough so tend to avoid it as much as I can.

Their press etc might irritate me, but that doesn't stop me appreciating the good work they are doing, or have done for us.

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Post by agreenwood » Thu May 15, 2025 5:10 pm

One thing I will say is that if Dyche genuinely didn’t know about Everton getting points deduction until the day it happened (as he claims in the interview), he needs to sack whichever advisors are supposed to be looking after his best interests or read more newspapers.

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Post by Exeterclaret » Thu May 15, 2025 5:57 pm

We replaced him with a far better manager and he seems to struggle to deal with that
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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Thu May 15, 2025 6:27 pm

Exeterclaret wrote:
Thu May 15, 2025 5:57 pm
We replaced him with a far better manager and he seems to struggle to deal with that
I must have missed something or do you mean Kompany who had record money to spend, like Dyche won the league and then gave us one of the worst seasons known to the premier league?

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Post by Gp8419 » Thu May 15, 2025 6:46 pm

Exeterclaret wrote:
Thu May 15, 2025 5:57 pm
We replaced him with a far better manager and he seems to struggle to deal with that
Kompany better than dyche ? By far?

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Post by Spijed » Thu May 15, 2025 6:50 pm

Exeterclaret wrote:
Thu May 15, 2025 5:57 pm
We replaced him with a far better manager and he seems to struggle to deal with that
Until Kompany proves his worth with a similar club to ours at PL level then you can't say he's a better manager.

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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by Pickles » Thu May 15, 2025 6:53 pm

Spijed wrote:
Thu May 15, 2025 6:50 pm
Until Kompany proves his worth with a similar club to ours at PL level then you can't say he's a better manager.
That's a bizarre statement. Are Pep Guardiola, Jürgen Klopp and Carlo Ancelotti worse managers than Dyche then?

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Post by Lakeland Claret » Thu May 15, 2025 7:25 pm

Exeterclaret wrote:
Thu May 15, 2025 5:57 pm
We replaced him with a far better manager and he seems to struggle to deal with that
The point Dyche was making was valid . Kompany failed at premier level with us but then gets a top European job . Nothing to do with struggling to deal with that . Seemed to remember Everton beating us 3 times that season

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Post by Spijed » Thu May 15, 2025 7:33 pm

Pickles wrote:
Thu May 15, 2025 6:53 pm
That's a bizarre statement. Are Pep Guardiola, Jürgen Klopp and Carlo Ancelotti worse managers than Dyche then?
Do you believe that Kompany would have done as well as Dyche were he our manager instead of SD, during the same time period?

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Post by Hedontplayforyou » Thu May 15, 2025 7:36 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Thu May 15, 2025 2:08 pm
I’ve never heard anyone have to quantify their statements as much as Dyche does.

I can imagine him going into a shop and asking for a Mars Bar whilst adding “that’s nothing against Snickers by the way”.
I feel like it’s because of the way the world has gone in terms of offending people etc, when in reality he is probably a very straight shooter .

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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by Pickles » Thu May 15, 2025 7:42 pm

Spijed wrote:
Thu May 15, 2025 7:33 pm
Do you believe that Kompany would have done as well as Dyche were he our manager instead of SD, during the same time period?
I don't know. Maybe. Maybe not. What Dyche did was brilliant. But I believe Kompany to be a better manager/coach than Dyche. And so do the board at Bayern, who could've appointed pretty much any manager in the world other than maybe one or two - and they went for Kompany.

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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by Spijed » Thu May 15, 2025 7:47 pm

Pickles wrote:
Thu May 15, 2025 7:42 pm
I don't know. Maybe. Maybe not. What Dyche did was brilliant. But I believe Kompany to be a better manager/coach than Dyche. And so do the board at Bayern, who could've appointed pretty much any manager in the world other than maybe one or two - and they went for Kompany.
They went for Kompany because every other manager they approached turned them down. It was well known he was seventh choice.

And Bayern winning the league is like Celtic or Rangers winning the SPL

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Re: Dyche on the Overlap

Post by Pickles » Thu May 15, 2025 7:52 pm

Spijed wrote:
Thu May 15, 2025 7:47 pm
They went for Kompany because every other manager they approached turned them down. It was well known he was seventh choice.

And Bayern winning the league is like Celtic or Rangers winning the SPL
Okay, seventh choice. I assume Dyche was one of the ones to turn them down.

It isn't like the SPFL at all. And besides, the current England manager didn't manage to win it with Bayern. Managing a team like Bayern is a huge task. Pressure, egos, budgets. You don't manage Bayern Munich if you're not a very good manager, it really is as simple as that.
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