Egan-Riley

[Chester Perry]

Havent our owners been looking to put such a structure in place ? Havent they been looking at clubs in Holland and Belgium ?

backed out of a couple it would seem

[ralph8]

I think this needs registering now with the football authorities bringing in a rule that players can not be moved to same ownership within 2 years.

[JohnMac]

I can't believe Chelsea would be interested in CJ unless he was to prove himself at Premier League level.

[Chester Perry]

I can't believe Chelsea would be interested in CJ unless he was to prove himself at Premier League level.

You mean the same Chelsea that practically invented the farming of talent on an industrial scale, and thus acting as a major profit centre, with little prospect of the talent actually playing for their club

[JohnMac]

You mean the same Chelsea that practically invented the farming of talent on a grand scale, and thus acting as a major profit centre, with little prospect of the talent actually playing for their club

Yep.

[Rileybobs]

I seem to remember the majority on here were in favour of ALK acquiring a second club. There was obviously quite vocal opposition to it, but I think it was the minority view.

[Chester Perry]

I seem to remember the majority on here were in favour of ALK acquiring a second club. There was obviously quite vocal opposition to it, but I think it was the minority view.

this is very true

[JohnMac]

CJ has a right to choose his future and if this is what he wants to do then so be it. He will be more than aware of the circumstances regarding fees and compensation.

[Cooclaret]

Is devious the right word even? Or is everything above board with this deal if it goes through?
Under UK rules if an U23 player out of contract is transferred, then the club, in this case Burnley, I understand are entitled to a transfer fee.
If the two clubs cannot agree a fee it goes to a tribunal to set a fee to be paid by the new club.

Strasbourg and Chelsea have the same owners and are they trying to pull a fast one over Burnley. If the lad went to
Chelsea direct there would be a fee payable. By going to Strasbourg is this fee avoided and a five-year contract might command a decent fee.
At anytime during that 5 years Riley could be moved/loaned to Chelsea who have avoided paying anything to Burnley.

Why on earth would someone as good as Egan-Riley choose to go to a piddling club like Strasbourg unless the carrot of a Chelsea move has been
dangled in front of him. And canny Chelsea have avoided a payment. Chelsea have a player in the bank as it were, and it hasn't cost them a penny.

It doesn’t matter, we didn’t manage the situation well and we reep the rewards.

[CrosspoolClarets]

It’s a shame because on one hand a player has one chance to fund his family and himself for a lifetime.

On the other hand, the seediness of certain clubs turns my stomach and there is a reason they are hated by many fans who support “normal” teams. I accept we have also tried to bully smaller clubs over the years, though not with this kind of “reach”, by far.

The upshot is though, we haven’t brought CJER through our youths, so shouldn’t get much compo anyway. He has served his contract, and has repaid us by helping us to a promotion. The ledger is balanced.

But, aside from fear of long term injury etc (and fear should never dictate careers), I am far from convinced that leaving Burnley is in CJ Egan-Riley’s career interests in terms of development into an England player and Champion’s League football by his prime. He needs to be in the Premier League now, and starting.

[Burnley1989]

For me, great decision by him and his family.

Players sign a contract for a set period, honour that and leave, i dont see the issue.

[Devils_Advocate]

I think had Kompany not jumped ship he'd have probably made sure Egan-Riley's contract was extended last summer, especially after getting him through two really good loan spells to aid his development.

Understandably Parker was a little slow to recognise his talent and potential and by the time he did Egan-Riley had started to make a name for himself and taken firm control of the cards

[exilecanada]

For me, great decision by him and his family.

Players sign a contract for a set period, honour that and leave, I don't see the issue.

Totally agree. Some on here gripe about lack of loyalty, there is NO loyalty in today's game. It's a short career, the better players get one BIG contract, the elite possibly two. Keane, Tarky, McNeil, Wood left and doubled their weekly pay packet, wouldn't we all do the same?

[dvalley69]

CJ has done what was asked of him this season. If he had already decided he wanted to leave early in the season then he's had an even more remarkable season coz many wouldn't have given a flying f! If he does leave then we can only thank him for his professionalism and quality this season, and wish him well. Nobody should ever begrudge anyone a move to somewhere different. He's earned it.

[JimmyRobbo]

I wish him nothing but happiness and success.
He was fantastic for us this season despite an iffy start.
I don't wish to see him leave and would love to see him given a chance to prove himself (along with the rest of the squad) in the Prem.
I don't want to lose a valuable asset for free.

Having said that, I remain unconvinced that he can play in the Prem.
I just don't think he is big enough, strong enough or good enough in the air.

[Andreshotboots]

From what I've been told, so it's a "friend in the camp" story but CJs move to France is complete nonsense and isn't happening..

[RVclaret]

I wish him nothing but happiness and success.
He was fantastic for us this season despite an iffy start.
I don't wish to see him leave and would love to see him given a chance to prove himself (along with the rest of the squad) in the Prem.
I don't want to lose a valuable asset for free.

Having said that, I remain unconvinced that he can play in the Prem.
I just don't think he is big enough, strong enough or good enough in the air.

As a centre back in a back 4, you are probably correct, as a “defensive” right back, or as a right centre back in a back 3, alongside a tall dominant cb, I think he’d be fine - it’s probably why West Ham & Potter are so keen.

[JimmyRobbo]

As a centre back in a back 4, you are probably correct, as a “defensive” right back, or as a right centre back in a back 3, alongside a tall dominant cb, I think he’d be fine - it’s probably why West Ham & Potter are so keen.

Yes, good point. In a 3 certainly. Perhaps with a dominant CB alongside, he'd be fine in a 4.

I still hope he stays. I still want us to give last year's 11 a chance with a few additions.

[IanMcL]

Our team may look very different again! Not great.

[Ampth7]

Yes, good point. In a 3 certainly. Perhaps with a dominant CB alongside, he'd be fine in a 4.

I still hope he stays. I still want us to give last year's 11 a chance with a few additions.

The reality is that we will need several ‘upgrades’ on last year’s 11 if we are to survive next season. I think 4-6 upgrades will be the bare minimum alongside keeping key players who can make the grade at the higher level.

I do agree that we need to keep as much of last year’s squad cohesion as we can and I’m sure we won’t make the same mistake as VK by simply discarding the entire team. On that basis, a balance needs to be found between upgrading and keeping what we have.

Step 1 - can we keep CJ, Esteve, Trafford and Brownhill?
Step 2 - sign the loanees Zian, Anthony and Edwards
Step 3 - who can we sign as an upgrade? Not easy to do with a relatively small budget but if we can find a few gems from abroad akin to the way clubs like Brighton have done it so well then happy days!

Watch this space!!

[ClaretTony]

I seem to remember the majority on here were in favour of ALK acquiring a second club. There was obviously quite vocal opposition to it, but I think it was the minority view.

I don't like it at all for a number of reasons and I've spoken to supporters at clubs who have become an owner's number two club who claim their clubs have been ruined.

[Ampth7]

You mean the same Chelsea that practically invented the farming of talent on an industrial scale, and thus acting as a major profit centre, with little prospect of the talent actually playing for their club

A school I used to work at all the way down in south Devon had a Chelsea academy as part of the schools offering (it was s**t). I once asked a few of their coaches, who would occasionally come down to us for a week of coaching, why don’t Chelsea have any first team players from the youth academy anymore? His response - ‘the club doesn’t care, and their youth system made over £15 million quid that season in loan fees alone! This was around 15 years ago now and I have no doubt this business model continues at Chelsea.

Incidentally, I also remember him telling me that their best English youth talent at the time by the name of Nathaniel Chalobah was earning £35k per week as a 17-year old and he was nowhere near the first team!!!! Bonkers!

[brexit]

I don't like it at all for a number of reasons and I've spoken to supporters at clubs who have become an owner's number two club who claim their clubs have been ruined.

I thought we had a second club dundee?

[Paddy1882]

The club just put a video on Twitter with CJs goal against Coventry, yesterday they put a picture of brownhill with the mention of it being a stellar season for our captain (which it was) I’m getting the inkling they are both staying, just a hunch.

[northeastclaret]

Totally agree. Some on here gripe about lack of loyalty, there is NO loyalty in today's game. It's a short career, the better players get one BIG contract, the elite possibly two. Keane, Tarky, McNeil, Wood left and doubled their weekly pay packet, wouldn't we all do the same?

I would say there is some loyalty in the game , but it’s usually between a manager and a player. Which is created when the manager is honest and is trusted and players know where they stand.

It’s clear Parker created better relationships with our players than VK did, which must be worth something. Therefore surprising he has not stayed with him now he has found a manager who couldn’t have been more loyal to him.

[northeastclaret]

I would say there is some loyalty in the game , but it’s usually between a manager and a player. Which is created when the manager is honest and is trusted and players know where they stand.

It’s clear Parker created better relationships with our players than VK did, which must be worth something. Therefore surprising he has not stayed with him now he has found a manager who couldn’t have been more loyal to him.

I would also suggest that if Brownhill re-signs, going off his recent interviews and podcasts it’s because of his relationship with Parker.

[NL Claret]

I thought we had a second club dundee?

When this was announced I thought that Dundee were owned by ALK or whoever it is and not owned by Burnley FC itself. Might be wrong and I am no expert whatsoever on football finance.

[boatshed bill]

A school I used to work at all the way down in south Devon had a Chelsea academy as part of the schools offering (it was s**t). I once asked a few of their coaches, who would occasionally come down to us for a week of coaching, why don’t Chelsea have any first team players from the youth academy anymore? His response - ‘the club doesn’t care, and their youth system made over £15 million quid that season in loan fees alone! This was around 15 years ago now and I have no doubt this business model continues at Chelsea.

Incidentally, I also remember him telling me that their best English youth talent at the time by the name of Nathaniel Chalobah was earning £35k per week as a 17-year old and he was nowhere near the first team!!!! Bonkers!

I know a bit about this set-up. Nice break in sunny South Devon for the coaches

[ClaretTony]

I thought we had a second club dundee?

We don’t own it and I don’t think we have invested financially in it. From what I can see we just loan players to them but it is still a concern.

[Conroy92]

Should CJ, Brownhill and Traff go. It is absolutely pivotal that we retain Esteve.

I think many people forget Humphreys is a CB. So likely he moves from left back to the centre, although it would leave us with two left footed centre halves.

[Leisure]

It doesn’t matter, we didn’t manage the situation well and we reep the rewards.

What have we not managed well?

[Big Vinny K]

It doesn’t matter, we didn’t manage the situation well and we reep the rewards.

How exactly do you think the club could have managed the situation better than it did ?
Prior to Parker coming in E-R was nowhere near the first team - he could not even make the bench. He was loaned out to a Dutch B side and a Scottish team who would struggle to compete in our division one.

Which part of his playing career at Burnley prior to this season would make you think that the owners would be extending his contract or that VK or his team would be suggesting this ? If VK didn’t think the likes of Zaroury, Benson and a few others were not good enough after the sesason they had when we went up what do you think he was saying about E-R ?

Parker clearly saw something in him that others didn’t and by that time he’s already into his last year of contract and it’s too late to do anything if the player has it in his mind he wants to leave.

The only thing that is difficult to understand now with hindsight is how VK and his team did not see any of the potential that we saw this season. Look at all the centre backs that VK bought when we had E-R here waiting in the wings and we had got him on a free.

[Woonderbah]

Just wondering if there's a precedent of a young player moving to a feeder club and then onto the mother club.. I know Watford and Udinese have, shall we say, pushed the boundaries of the rules when it comes to transfers but I can't think of a specific example.. I just hope it's all made up by ER's agent

[Chester Perry]

We don’t own it and I don’t think we have invested financially in it. From what I can see we just loan players to them but it is still a concern.

correct Velocity/Burnley do not own Dundee

Officially the relationship is a partnership where Burnley help and advise - of course when the relationship started, Scottish clubs were not allowed to be part of multi- club operations. That has now changed see Tony Bloom at Hearts and Bournemouth with Hibs - also looks like Rangers may be going down that route with 49ers Investment

It is possible that Velocity have loaned monies to Dundee's owners though we have no way of confirming that notion

[Chester Perry]

Just wondering if there's a precedent of a young player moving to a feeder club and then onto the mother club.. I know Watford and Udinese have, shall we say, pushed the boundaries of the rules when it comes to transfers but I can't think of a specific example.. I just hope it's all made up by ER's agent

both CFG and Tony Bloom (USG to Brighton) have done this - sure others have too

[ClaretTony]

correct Velocity/Burnley do not own Dundee

Officially the relationship is a partnership where Burnley help and advise - of course when the relationship started, Scottish clubs were not allowed to be part of multi- club operations. That has now changed see Tony Bloom at Hearts and Bournemouth with Hibs - also looks like Rangers may be going down that route with 49ers Investment

It is possible that Velocity have loaned monies to Dundee's owners though we have no way of confirming that notion

We had the partnerships with other clubs previously which didn’t really come to anything. No idea what the benefits will be with Dundee.

[Plissken]

Just wondering if there's a precedent of a young player moving to a feeder club and then onto the mother club.. I know Watford and Udinese have, shall we say, pushed the boundaries of the rules when it comes to transfers but I can't think of a specific example.. I just hope it's all made up by ER's agent

Savinho became Troyes record signing before being loaned out to PSV and then Girona. Then he became the record sale when they sold him to Man City. So their record purchase and record sale and he played the grand total of 0 games for them.

Troyes and Girona are both owned by City Football Group.

[Chester Perry]

We had the partnerships with other clubs previously which didn’t really come to anything. No idea what the benefits will be with Dundee.

Indeed, but it is fair to say that Dundee are at a much higher level, than those others - I wouldn't be surprised if Velocity took a stake in them in the future, now that the rules have changed. Paul Jenkins was clear in that recent podcast that it is viewed as an extension of their talent farm approach,

[ClaretTony]

Indeed, but it is fair to say that Dundee are at a much higher level, than those others - I wouldn't be surprised if Velocity took a stake in them in the future, now that the rules have changed. Paul Jenkins was clear in that recent podcast that it is viewed as an extension of their talent farm approach,

I’d expect so. Wasn’t Ayr the Scottish club in the previous partnership with Llandudno, Portadown and Cobh?

[Cooclaret]

What have we not managed well?

The loans.

[fidelcastro]

The loans.

Which loans didn't we manage well?

[JR1882]

He won’t be playing any European football next season - Strasbourg massively shat the bed tonight loosing 3-2 at home to Le Havre who avoided a relegation playoff as a
Result. 97th min penalty too.

They had a shout for champions league but lost their last 2 games to fall totally out of the European places.

[CrosspoolClarets]

He won’t be playing any European football next season - Strasbourg massively shat the bed tonight loosing 3-2 at home to Le Havre who avoided a relegation playoff as a
Result. 97th min penalty too.

They had a shout for champions league but lost their last 2 games to fall totally out of the European places.

A panenka too, Toure chipped it past the keeper.

Certainly changes the attractiveness of Strasbourg, a Ligue 1 season with no European football hardly proves players’ worth to Chelsea.

But money talks of course.

[Wo Didi]

Strasbourg have missed out on Europe altogether after twice being ahead against 3rd bottom Le Havre only to concede an injury time penalty which was converted with a panenka. I believe there may possibly be a way for them to go into the conference league if Reims beat PSG in the French Cup final but I’m not 100% on that. If CJ wants to play in the champions league, learn a new language and culture and live in a fantastic city he could always come to Serbia and play for Red Star. Belgrade has some of the best nightlife in Europe too if that’s your thing. I have a season ticket and travel to every away game so I could regularly report on his progress Those question marks show be showing as wink emojis

[Cooclaret]

How exactly do you think the club could have managed the situation better than it did ?
Prior to Parker coming in E-R was nowhere near the first team - he could not even make the bench. He was loaned out to a Dutch B side and a Scottish team who would struggle to compete in our division one.

Which part of his playing career at Burnley prior to this season would make you think that the owners would be extending his contract or that VK or his team would be suggesting this ? If VK didn’t think the likes of Zaroury, Benson and a few others were not good enough after the sesason they had when we went up what do you think he was saying about E-R ?

Parker clearly saw something in him that others didn’t and by that time he’s already into his last year of contract and it’s too late to do anything if the player has it in his mind he wants to leave.

The only thing that is difficult to understand now with hindsight is how VK and his team did not see any of the potential that we saw this season. Look at all the centre backs that VK bought when we had E-R here waiting in the wings and we had got him on a free.

What he was told to lure him from City didn’t transpire. Loans mismanaged.

Trafford being exposed.

Kompanys man management.

The whole squad disharmony.

The clubs approach when he wouldn’t sign an extension.

[fidelcastro]

What he was told to lure him from City didn’t transpire. Loans mismanaged.

Trafford being exposed.

Kompanys man management.

The whole squad disharmony.

The clubs approach when he wouldn’t sign an extension.

There's a parallel universe somewhere.

[Leisure]

What he was told to lure him from City didn’t transpire.- What was who told and by whom?

Loans mismanaged - which loans and how mismanaged and by whom?

Trafford being exposed. - how?

[bfcmik]

What he was told to lure him from City didn’t transpire. Loans mismanaged.

I'm sure that if he had played up to whatever level the promises MAY have been made on, then those promises would have been honoured. I play walking football with a Hibs fan, and he said he was a good player for a while but then faded to being just your average SPL player after a few games before he got injured.

[Cooclaret]

Have we forgotten the huge discontent in the Kompany changing room?

The fall outs, the drama, the ego and the arrogance to repeatedly play in a manner that suited him and his brand and wasn’t in the interests of the club or the players?

[ecc]

Strasbourg have missed out on Europe altogether after twice being ahead against 3rd bottom Le Havre only to concede an injury time penalty which was converted with a panenka. I believe there may possibly be a way for them to go into the conference league if Reims beat PSG in the French Cup final but I’m not 100% on that. If CJ wants to play in the champions league, learn a new language and culture and live in a fantastic city he could always come to Serbia and play for Red Star. Belgrade has some of the best nightlife in Europe too if that’s your thing. I have a season ticket and travel to every away game so I could regularly report on his progress Those question marks show be showing as wink emojis

I think he'd be much better off at Partizan, Wo Didi.