Summer transfer window

[jojomk1]

Ipswich went the “let’s buy good championship players “ route.
Greaves 21m Jack Clarke 18m Szmodics 10m Ogbene 10m and then there’s Philogene 24m Dara 14m Muric 10m Delap 20m who made their names primarily in the Championship.

127m on good championship players and one has panned out and they’re down again, facing the prospect of another rebuild as we found out, the good ones don’t want to play there again.

(Admittedly they’ll get 35m + for Delap)

You even missed out Hutchinson

Who has come out publicly and said they don't want to play for Ipswich anymore now they have been relegated

If the majority of that squad is retained they will win the Championship next season

Given the rise of the likes of Delap under McKenna's coaching there will be others who will want to join rather than many want to leave

[Vegas Claret]

Dean Huijsen Bournemouth to Madrid for 50 million Euro's, Steve has to be worth 35 at least

[Newcastleclaret93]

Dean Huijsen Bournemouth to Madrid for 50 million Euro's, Steve has to be worth 35 at least

Tbf I think the fee Bournemouth paid for him to begin with is probably the better indicator rather than what they are selling him for now after a break through season in the prem.

He’s also 3 years younger than Esteve which is worth noting in the fee section.

[NewClaret]

Dean Huijsen Bournemouth to Madrid for 50 million Euro's, Steve has to be worth 35 at least

Would not even dream of selling him for £35m!

[Vegas Claret]

Tbf I think the fee Bournemouth paid for him to begin with is probably the better indicator rather than what they are selling him for now after a break through season in the prem.

He’s also 3 years younger than Esteve which is worth noting in the fee section.

yep, that's why I went for 35 but I wouldn't put it passed us to sell him for 12

[KRBFC]

You are not alone in thinking that Rudoni is an average Championship player.

Agreed, had a good 6 months in a free role in an attacking side with better players than the opposition. Proper average for 2 years at Huddersfield where they didn’t dominate the ball every game.

I think if I were looking at Rudoni for the Premier League I’d look closer at his time at Huddersfield where he was at one of the worst sides in the league.

Same with Van Ewijk, he’s decent in the Championship flying forward from full back whilst his team has 65% of the ball. It’s a different story when you’re in the PL on the back foot though, he’d get absolutely destroyed defensively. Weak as ****

[morninbob]

Dean Huijsen Bournemouth to Madrid for 50 million Euro's, Steve has to be worth 35 at least

TBF that's his release fee, and not true market value, we don't know if Steve has a release fee or not.

[Row x]

TBF that's his release fee, and not true market value, we don't know if Steve has a release fee or not.

I think Madrid have gone above the release fee in order to get it done early ahead of the other teams interested, before the world club championship, so it is an inflated valuation

[Newcastleclaret93]

yep, that's why I went for 35 but I wouldn't put it passed us to sell him for 12

Funny enough I could see Esteve going to Bournemouth if they sell that lad

[boyyanno]

Agreed, had a good 6 months in a free role in an attacking side with better players than the opposition. Proper average for 2 years at Huddersfield where they didn’t dominate the ball every game.

I think if I were looking at Rudoni for the Premier League I’d look closer at his time at Huddersfield where he was at one of the worst sides in the league.

Same with Van Ewijk, he’s decent in the Championship flying forward from full back whilst his team has 65% of the ball. It’s a different story when you’re in the PL on the back foot though, he’d get absolutely destroyed defensively. Weak as ****

I mean that's just nonsense. He was a key player for Huddersfield in a crap side, he was stepping up a level at 20/21 and still got goals and assists. He'd also already been successful at the level below.

Because he wasn't "proper average" he got himself a good move and has once again stepped up, although this time with a little more age and experience in the division. He's gone on to be one of the best midfielders in the Champ, contributing more than people like Gustavo Hamer. In fact if you look at the players Cov have had recently, Hamer, O"Hare etc- Rudoni has done better than they did at a younger age. So come on KRBFC, how come Hamer who plays for an even better team with even better players hasn't got near Rudonis haul this year? Is he also proper average?

[CoolClaret]

I mean that's just nonsense. He was a key player for Huddersfield in a crap side, he was stepping up a level at 20/21 and still got goals and assists. He'd also already been successful at the level below.

Because he wasn't "proper average" he got himself a good move and has once again stepped up, although this time with a little more age and experience in the division. He's gone on to be one of the best midfielders in the Champ, contributing more than people like Gustavo Hamer. In fact if you look at the players Cov have had recently, Hamer, O"Hare etc- Rudoni has done better than they did at a younger age. So come on KRBFC, how come Hamer who plays for an even better team with even better players hasn't got near Rudonis haul this year? Is he also proper average?

A 23 year old returning 10 goals and 12 assists from CM/attacking mid in the Championship is top class - as close to a ready-made Brownhill replacement as we could get.

We've been our most successful when we sign players around that age (20-24), who still have some development left, and slowly integrate them over time, then go on to be key first-team players for us.

Players like Tarky, Mee, Pope, Brownhill himself... the list goes on!

[claretspice]

Personal view - Rudoni is a good player who might well be capable of stepping up, but he isn't what we need. Whilst i understand the ball carrying comparison, I think the comparison would be more with Ramsey than Berge - he's more an attacking midfielder than a defensive midfielder. We do of course have Ramsey, and we also have Hannibal who we've tended to deploy further forwards plus potentially Brownhill and others. What we really need is someone more like Berge who can play with or instead of Cullen at the heart of midfield, receiving the ball deep and moving but forwards. I'm not saying either is the answer but Dendoncker is an example of someone in that mould who is plausible and a little olded, whilst at the younger end Tyler Morton who has had two outstanding seasons in the Championship before not quite breaking through at Liverpool this season.

[boyyanno]

Personal view - Rudoni is a good player who might well be capable of stepping up, but he isn't what we need. Whilst i understand the ball carrying comparison, I think the comparison would be more with Ramsey than Berge - he's more an attacking midfielder than a defensive midfielder. We do of course have Ramsey, and we also have Hannibal who we've tended to deploy further forwards plus potentially Brownhill and others. What we really need is someone more like Berge who can play with or instead of Cullen at the heart of midfield, receiving the ball deep and moving but forwards. I'm not saying either is the answer but Dendoncker is an example of someone in that mould, as is Tyler Morton who has had two outstanding seasons in the Championship before not quite breaking through at Liverpool this season.

Rudoni isn't really a deep midfielder which is what we need imo so to some extent I agree with you especially if the price means we would miss out elsewhere.

But that doesn't detract from the fact that he's probably one of the hottest prospects in the EFL and would be a good player for us to sign imo. His career trajectory is excellent, moved up divisions and clubs and continued to step up. Still got 5 years development before he hits his prime as well.

I don't know if the PL is a step too far for him, it is for most- but I think he's the kind of profile, age, and talent that could do well for us.

[claretspice]

Rudoni isn't really a deep midfielder which is what we need imo so to some extent I agree with you especially if the price means we would miss out elsewhere.

But that doesn't detract from the fact that he's probably one of the hottest prospects in the EFL and would be a good player for us to sign imo. His career trajectory is excellent, moved up divisions and clubs and continued to step up. Still got 5 years development before he hits his prime as well.

I don't know if the PL is a step too far for him, it is for most- but I think he's the kind of profile, age, and talent that could do well for us.

I'd have thought he's a player we would keep an eye out in case we go up and stay up, at which point he absolutely might become a player you'd think might be on our radar, particularly with another season to develop the defensive side of his game in the Championship. But my hunch is that for the 15m I'd expect him to cost this summer, we have bigger priorities.

I don't disagree with your overall view of his trajectory- perhaps good player, wrong time sums it up.

[Papabendi]

Pretty straightforward window unless we lose key players - the bulk of the money has to be used to find us a couple of forwards who can contribute double figures in the Prem.

[CoolClaret]

Personal view - Rudoni is a good player who might well be capable of stepping up, but he isn't what we need. Whilst i understand the ball carrying comparison, I think the comparison would be more with Ramsey than Berge - he's more an attacking midfielder than a defensive midfielder. We do of course have Ramsey, and we also have Hannibal who we've tended to deploy further forwards plus potentially Brownhill and others. What we really need is someone more like Berge who can play with or instead of Cullen at the heart of midfield, receiving the ball deep and moving but forwards. I'm not saying either is the answer but Dendoncker is an example of someone in that mould who is plausible and a little olded, whilst at the younger end Tyler Morton who has had two outstanding seasons in the Championship before not quite breaking through at Liverpool this season.

I agree - especially with the priority being an imposing DM.

My overriding point is that of (successful!) succession planning and having a player to fill Brownhill's role.

Yes Hannibal and Ramsey can play that position, but I don't see either of them being 10+ goal /year players in the Champ, and Ramsey sadly has a v.poor injury record for a young player.

An added bonus to Rudoni is the fact that he's 6ft1 and can get on the end of crosses - that's always a positive!

[Newcastleclaret93]

Maybe one to keep an eye on,

Gaetan Perrin for Auxurre has refused a contract extension. Would not be shocked if we are all over him.

[Vegas Claret]

Funny enough I could see Esteve going to Bournemouth if they sell that lad

They have sold him according to Romano, all done

[Newcastleclaret93]

They have sold him according to Romano, all done

Aye just seen the announcement from Bournemouth.

You have got to imagine they will be looking to fill that void pretty quickly.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Another interesting one,

West Ham reportedly want to move Soucek on. Got to say I have alway felt he’s a Burnley type signing

[gandhisflipflop]

Another interesting one,

West Ham reportedly want to move Soucek on. Got to say I have alway felt he’s a Burnley type signing

He is exactly what we need

[Pickles]

Can't see Soucek at Burnley. Wages will be way too high surely. Turkey or Saudi Arabia perhaps.

[jojomk1]

Wrexham have enquired about Tom Cairney at Fulham

[jojomk1]

Another interesting one,

West Ham reportedly want to move Soucek on. Got to say I have alway felt he’s a Burnley type signing

From SSN

Potter keen to keep ‘top professional’ Soucek at West Ham

Graham Potter insists he wants Tomas Soucek to be part of his new-look West Ham squad next season.

[claretspice]

I agree - especially with the priority being an imposing DM.

My overriding point is that of (successful!) succession planning and having a player to fill Brownhill's role.

Yes Hannibal and Ramsey can play that position, but I don't see either of them being 10+ goal /year players in the Champ, and Ramsey sadly has a v.poor injury record for a young player.

An added bonus to Rudoni is the fact that he's 6ft1 and can get on the end of crosses - that's always a positive!

Regarding Ramsey, he got 8 Championship goals as a 19/20 year old two years ago, and I'm not sure you can hold the injury he suffered 15 months ago as indicating a particular susceptibility. He was just unlucky. His previous injuries strike me as growing pains so I wouldn't read too much into that either.

If Brownhill leaves and/or money were no object then perhaps you'd layer up with another attacking midfielder "for the future". But we can have too many players and we need to prioritise investing in what we really need.

A player who should be aiming to score more goals incidentally is Laurent. Too good in the air not to score 4 or 5 a season from crosses/ set plays.

[CoolClaret]

Regarding Ramsey, he got 8 Championship goals as a 19/20 year old two years ago, and I'm not sure you can hold the injury he suffered 15 months ago as indicating a particular susceptibility. He was just unlucky. His previous injuries strike me as growing pains so I wouldn't read too much into that either.

If Brownhill leaves and/or money were no object then perhaps you'd layer up with another attacking midfielder "for the future". But we can have too many players and we need to prioritise investing in what we really need.

A player who should be aiming to score more goals incidentally is Laurent. Too good in the air not to score 4 or 5 a season from crosses/ set plays.

Played mainly off the left though Ramsey for Boro that season, no?

I wouldn't call it growing pains when there's been fairly significant game time missed. Players like Cullen and Brownhill are invaluable due to their availability - it's a valuable trait to have.

Again, I wasn't saying 'push the boat out and ensure we sign Rudoni', but as part of a progression plan this may be the last window we can feasibly get him and there's potentially a 5-6 year player there for Burnley FC.

Of course, it all comes down to our budget/sales etc, but what we can't do (and won't), is sign multiple 30+ yr old lower end PL jobbers in the hopes of staying up.

[claretspice]

Played mainly off the left though Ramsey for Boro that season, no?

I wouldn't call it growing pains when there's been fairly significant game time missed. Players like Cullen and Brownhill are invaluable due to their availability - it's a valuable trait to have.

Again, I wasn't saying 'push the boat out and ensure we sign Rudoni', but as part of a progression plan this may be the last window we can feasibly get him and there's potentially a 5-6 year player there for Burnley FC.

Of course, it all comes down to our budget/sales etc, but what we can't do (and won't), is sign multiple 30+ yr old lower end PL jobbers in the hopes of staying up.

Where he got the goals from precisely isn't the point. As a midfielder he scored 8 goals in 20-odd games from midfield. It's therefore not unreasonable to imagine he might get 2 more over a season in the future.

We're not going to sign loads of 30+ players, but we don't have unlimited resource so we're going to have to prioritise where we spend our money. Someone like Rudoni doesn't currently strike me as the right priority for 15m right now.

[CoolClaret]

Where he got the goals from precisely isn't the point. As a midfielder he scored 8 goals in 20-odd games from midfield. It's therefore not unreasonable to imagine he might get 2 more over a season in the future.

We're not going to sign loads of 30+ players, but we don't have unlimited resource so we're going to have to prioritise where we spend our money. Someone like Rudoni doesn't currently strike me as the right priority for 15m right now.

For 15 mill perhaps not - but it depends on the budget! Rudoni does more than just score goals as well.

I wasn't nitpicking on the position in terms of where he scored from; I was just saying that they aren't necessarily the exact same type of player.

[KRBFC]

I mean that's just nonsense. He was a key player for Huddersfield in a crap side, he was stepping up a level at 20/21 and still got goals and assists. He'd also already been successful at the level below.

Because he wasn't "proper average" he got himself a good move and has once again stepped up, although this time with a little more age and experience in the division. He's gone on to be one of the best midfielders in the Champ, contributing more than people like Gustavo Hamer. In fact if you look at the players Cov have had recently, Hamer, O"Hare etc- Rudoni has done better than they did at a younger age. So come on KRBFC, how come Hamer who plays for an even better team with even better players hasn't got near Rudonis haul this year? Is he also proper average?

He was proper average at Huddersfield yeah. As for Hamer, I think he’s a better player than Rudoni, Hamer hasn’t just had a good six months. I’m not even convinced Hamer is good enough for the PL either.

[jojomk1]

As for Hamer, I think he’s a better player than Rudoni, Hamer hasn’t just had a good six months. I’m not even convinced Hamer is good enough for the PL either.

Hamer is no better than our current squad players
Also similar technically to our crop in lack of height, little pace and weak in the tackle
A red card waiting to happen every time things go wrong for him

[Spijed]

Hamer is no better than our current squad players
Also similar technically to our crop in lack of height, little pace and weak in the tackle
A red card waiting to happen every time things go wrong for him

Didn't someone point out that he's only had 3 red cards in well over 200 matches?

[boyyanno]

He was proper average at Huddersfield yeah. As for Hamer, I think he’s a better player than Rudoni, Hamer hasn’t just had a good six months. I’m not even convinced Hamer is good enough for the PL either.

If he was proper average why did Coventry shell out so much for him?

How come he randomly managed to do it this season?

Player doesn't do as well statistically at a poor side- what a shock.

[Newcastleclaret93]

If he was proper average why did Coventry shell out so much for him?

How come he randomly managed to do it this season?

Player doesn't do as well statistically at a poor side- what a shock.

Also worth noting Rudoni played predominantly as a box to box more defensive type midfielder at Huddersfield.

At Coventry he’s been allowed the freedom to play as an attacking midfielder which is why his figures have dramatically improved.

[Grimsdale]

Maybe one to keep an eye on,

Gaetan Perrin for Auxurre has refused a contract extension. Would not be shocked if we are all over him.

If we sign Perrin, surely that means CJ will be staying.

[Cooclaret]

I agree - especially with the priority being an imposing DM.

My overriding point is that of (successful!) succession planning and having a player to fill Brownhill's role.

Yes Hannibal and Ramsey can play that position, but I don't see either of them being 10+ goal /year players in the Champ, and Ramsey sadly has a v.poor injury record for a young player.

An added bonus to Rudoni is the fact that he's 6ft1 and can get on the end of crosses - that's always a positive!

I don’t think Ramsey has a poor injury record at all. He’s had a very bad injury and that takes time for everything to come right again.

[randomclaret2]

If we sign Perrin, surely that means CJ will be staying.

One for the youngsters...

[Petersa]

One for the youngsters...

I didn't get where I am today reading nonsense like that! Great..super post.

[Bigvince]

Smashing

[CrosspoolClarets]

If we sign Perrin, surely that means CJ will be staying.

Dunno, he may not fancy the risk of a rise and fall next season.

[Terrier]

Hope ben mee retires now he has been released, passed his best.

[Terrier]

Past his best.
Alcoholic fuzz to blame for that!

[BigGaz]

I'd have Ben back to perform the same role as Barnes. 5th choice CB, a leader in the dressing room, one eye on him becoming a coach.

Much rather have a Mee/Barnes in the match day squad than the likes of Banel, Agyei, Massengo and all the other lads that are realistically not ever going to get a look in.

[Hedontplayforyou]

I'd have Ben back to perform the same role as Barnes. 5th choice CB, a leader in the dressing room, one eye on him becoming a coach.

Much rather have a Mee/Barnes in the match day squad than the likes of Banel, Agyei, Massengo and all the other lads that are realistically not ever going to get a look in.

I can see Ben making a good coach. Level headed and a superb captain in his time. Will be interesting to see who does come in this summer . Suspect a couple of experienced heads to support the group.

[CoolClaret]

I don’t think Ramsey has a poor injury record at all. He’s had a very bad injury and that takes time for everything to come right again.

Had a couple of injuries in the 22-23 season I thought? Would have missed more game time but the winter World Cup took place negating that, and I think when he moved to Boro he missed a few games with them too.

I hope it's just a blip and he goes from strength to strength with us because I believe there's a top player in there!

[NewClaret]

Past his best.
Alcoholic fuzz to blame for that!

What you on about?

[mdd2]

Cannot afford the likes of Mee and Barnes in our 25man squad IMO. We will be in a dog fight for survival and neither of these two Claret stalwarts will help the cause by being in the 25. Of the present squad before outgoings and accepting returnees we have around 33 players in the squad over 21 and the reality is we will name 3 keepers and then just have room for 22 outfield players.
Depending on where Barnes and Mee are with their coaching badges if both can inculcate their skills and nouse into the younger players then that could be a big plus.

[claretspice]

I'm not sure there's any real case for going back to Mee next season. He'll be 36 in September and given we have Esteve and Humphreys already in the squad, I'm not sure there's a case for adding a further left sided centre half to the squad even as back up.

If he's interested in going into coaching then perhaps there is a role with one of the junior teams but if we're looking to add to the first team back room staff I can think of plenty of better options. Even compared to Barnes he's been away a long time - there are frighteningly few players who will be with us next season who crossed paths with Mee.

[Rileybobs]

It always strikes me as a bit of a ‘lazy’ suggestion that an ex-player towards the end of their career returns in a player/coach capacity. We have no idea of the coaching abilities of these players or whether there is a vacancy or requirement in the back room team for such a role.

[NL Claret]

Don't get the obsession with former players, need to move on off them. Rarely when players return they perform as well as they did in first spell. Probably a good reason for it too, they are past their best.

[claretspice]

It always strikes me as a bit of a ‘lazy’ suggestion that an ex-player towards the end of their career returns in a player/coach capacity. We have no idea of the coaching abilities of these players or whether there is a vacancy or requirement in the back room team for such a role.

I agree. I can see some benefits to offering former/retiring players who have been part of establishing the club ethos an opportunity to develop as coaches within the club should they be interested and there be vacancies (see Cork). But that shouldn't just be jobs for the boys and it's much harder to justify at first team level, or with players who have been away from the club a long time.