Managers who deserve a shot

[Conroy92]

For many seasons we have seen the same names move around the top clubs. I feel there are some cracking candidates out there with your likes of spurs and united all destined for new managers.

If you had to pick a manager that you thought deserved a crack and could do a job at a top club, who would it be?

For me, I'll go for Thomas Frank.

[MG70]

We've had a few managers that deserve to be shot

[Cooclaret]

Dyche, Frank, Southgate, Potter; all need a committed board at a top club.

[Roosterbooster]

From those mentioned Thomas Frank would be top of my list. When he's a pundit, he is head and shoulders above anything out there.

I dont get the clamour for Southgate. A thoroughly nice guy. But so tactically limited - as highlighted time and time again as England manager

[Buxtonclaret]

Dyche, Frank, Southgate, Potter; all need a committed board at a top club.

Southgate had that, and more, at Boro.
Gibson gave him loads of time & a budget that made some of his lesser backed contemporary envious.
Southgate is a nice guy and, maybe a decent coach.
He's no top manager though.

[Cooclaret]

Southgate had that, and more, at Boro.
Gibson gave him loads of time & a budget that made some of his lesser backed contemporary envious.
Southgate is a nice guy and, maybe a decent coach.
He's no top manager though.

Like players, managers develop, arguably more so than players,

[Rileybobs]

Southgate had that, and more, at Boro.
Gibson gave him loads of time & a budget that made some of his lesser backed contemporary envious.
Southgate is a nice guy and, maybe a decent coach.
He's no top manager though.

Southgate last managed Middlesbrough 16 years ago. I think his successful time in charge of England is much more relevant to whether he can be considered a top manager. International and club management roles are entirely different though so it would be interesting to see how he got on at a good level in club management.

[CoolClaret]

Andoni Iraola, arguably Unai Emery again (not that Villa aren't big)

Superb managers.

[Rowls]

The lack of progression for talented managers and coaches is scandalous. It seems especially pronounced domestically. It's been endemic in English football for well over a generation now.

We've done well for 20+ years by appointing cannily and not relying on the usual merry-go-round so I shan't complain too loudly.

I'll put forward a name most people will only have heard in January - Andy Peaks, manager at Tamworth FC. In the short space of 4 seasons, Peaks saved them from relegation to the 8th tier in his first half season and has taken them to the brink of the play-offs in the 5th tier.

They are arguably 2 or 3 leagues above their 'natural level'. What he has achieved is phenomenal. Like Dyche at Burnley, he has adapted his style - when they had the players to outplay the opposition they did so. Now they're playing teams with bigger budgets and better players, they shorten the odds and mix it up more.

The fact that there isn't a manic clamour among all the teams in the 3rd and 4th tiers to appoint the man shows the lack of progression and the short-sighted thinking that predominates in terms of managerial appointments.

[taio]

Eddie Howe.

[fatboy47]

Brent Peters.

All day long.

[Cooclaret]

From those mentioned Thomas Frank would be top of my list. When he's a pundit, he is head and shoulders above anything out there.

I dont get the clamour for Southgate. A thoroughly nice guy. But so tactically limited - as highlighted time and time again as England manager

Totally different games. International managers have a fraction of the time club managers have. They have to work with players who are used to systems at their clubs and then find a system that a) works b) doesn’t alienate players c) quickly forms a coherent system.

Southgate produced miracles with the England setup.

[Cooclaret]

Eddie Howe.

I genuinely thought about Howe and if he’s at a ‘big club’ or not. Still can’t decide.

[Rowls]

Totally different games.

This kind of thinking is prominent in the game.

I don't see it that way at all. The differences are only incremental. The fundamental game is identical.

[taio]

I genuinely thought about Howe and if he’s at a ‘big club’ or not. Still can’t decide.

Can see where you're coming from because Newcastle is a big club, but there are bigger clubs was my thought

[Shaggy]

Southgate is woeful. Massively failed at club football already. Arguably failed at international level aswell considering the resources available to him and the kind fixtures in tournament football. As soon as England faced a bit of resistance Southgate wasn’t winning.

[FCBurnley]

I think the Plymouth guy has great potential at the right club.

[Roosterbooster]

Totally different games. International managers have a fraction of the time club managers have. They have to work with players who are used to systems at their clubs and then find a system that a) works b) doesn’t alienate players c) quickly forms a coherent system.

Southgate produced miracles with the England setup.

He really didn't. He won nothing with an exceptional squad. And failed at the big hurdle every time with negative tactics. He was the luckiest coach there's every been when it comes to favourable draws. Neither the Italy or Spain teams that beat us in the finals will be remembered for much in the long run. They weren't exceptional teams

I agree we were unlucky v France. But that's it

[Cooclaret]

He really didn't. He won nothing with an exceptional squad. And failed at the big hurdle every time with negative tactics. He was the luckiest coach there's every been when it comes to favourable draws. Neither the Italy or Spain teams that beat us in the finals will be remembered for much in the long run. They weren't exceptional teams

I agree we were unlucky v France. But that's it

Did you read my post and then reply, or just put your views across?

[Tricky Trevor]

Southgate produced miracles with the England setup.

What!! He got us through some easy draws, occasionally with difficulty, but whenever he came up against a top side he fell short. Throwing away leads in the process. Not the sign of a quality manager.

[Roosterbooster]

Did you read my post and then reply, or just put your views across?

Did you read my post
Yes

Then reply
Yes

Put your views across
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That's generally how this board works

[Wile E Coyote]

southgate is a great manager, club and international player, took england further , and more successfully than any manager since the 66 tin pot win with about ten teams and all played at home.
its a highly technical game thesedays, and he accomplished more than his predecessors.

[beeholeclaret]

He really didn't. He won nothing with an exceptional squad. And failed at the big hurdle every time with negative tactics. He was the luckiest coach there's every been when it comes to favourable draws. Neither the Italy or Spain teams that beat us in the finals will be remembered for much in the long run. They weren't exceptional teams

I agree we were unlucky v France. But that's it

When you say exceptional squad which players were you thinking about (ie battle hardened Champions League winners playing well consistently at such high levels?). We had some very skilful players but I always felt if we took the shackles off we were vulnerable to counter attacks - defence (as a team unit)not as good as some teams. Any other top coaches that won much with England? I thought he did ok really although of course I was as frustrated as everyone that we didn’t win a trophy.

[CaptJohn]

Parkinson at Wrexham. Done a great job of handling successive promotions. Of course he's been backed financially but has spent wisely and has a great understanding of the game and how to manage players. I'll be watching with interest as to how they get on in the Championship next season.

[Quickenthetempo]

Totally different games. International managers have a fraction of the time club managers have. They have to work with players who are used to systems at their clubs and then find a system that a) works b) doesn’t alienate players c) quickly forms a coherent system.

Southgate produced miracles with the England setup.

How many games did Southgate win for England when we weren't favourites with the bookies?

Must be a few for a 'miracles' claim.

[Cooclaret]

How many games did Southgate win for England when we weren't favourites with the bookies?

Must be a few for a 'miracles' claim.

It’s not about games, yes rightly he’s judged on outcomes. In my opinion the outcomes have been pretty spectacular.

The golden generation of Lampard, Scholes, Beckham etc won nothing and achieved nothing because of the unity problems. Neville has spoken about this openly and frankly with some regret.

GS brought together and united a group of individuals to achieve by collectively agreeing that England is a seperate entity to their club.

He changed the FA culture, he challenged the clubs and their role in bringing English talent through the system.

You all laud Dyche for doing the same on a much smaller scale and with more control over the process.

GS has set the foundation for all future English success.

He performed miracles.