Aston Villa

[Ashingtonclaret46]

Was he VAR then?

No he wasn't.
He had been VAR on the Manchester City v Newcastle UNited FA Cup game two weeks before that Chelsea game, however he did not referee again until
he refereed us on the Tuesday after that Incident at Chelsea in our home match against Wolves when he booked two Wolves players in a 1-1 draw.

[RammyClaret61]

Football will never be perfect. Sh!t happens. Get over it.

So why do we now have to put up with VAR? Implemented to make the game perfect!

Let’s just play the game on the pitch in the stadium.
Not hundreds of miles away on a tv screen.

[NewClaret]

So why do we now have to put up with VAR? Implemented to make the game perfect!

Let’s just play the game on the pitch in the stadium.
Not hundreds of miles away on a tv screen.

Completely agree. I was a fan initially, I thought it would help the refs and get more decisions right, but it’s ruined the game. Can’t celebrate, causes delays (decisions go on for 5 minutes + sometimes - if you can’t tell quickly it should be a goal) and worse of all hasn’t even eradicated the mistakes and controversy.

Scrap it.

[Ashingtonclaret46]

If the ref had got it correct he wouldn't have apologised to Emery afterwards, which he did.

It was an innocent mistake by a good but raw ref, one local to me who was a teacher before a ref and he deserves a fair break.

The scandal is how PGMOL appoint refs to these games, in a fashion which disadvantages many smaller clubs. That match today obviously needed an experienced head in front of 70000+ for a match the away team needed to win. In contrast to Chelsea who got Anthony Taylor for their away match, the experience to ensure the fevered crowd didn’t affect decision making. That is the basis of Villa’s formal complaint.

How experienced do you want an official to be?
This was his 29th PL match and there are certain referees who could not be considered because Villa had the chance of going into the Champions League. Michael Oliver is a prime example. Could you imagine the furore now if that had been him that gave a foul in that incident and thus enabled Newcatle to finsh in 5th place. Villa would still be complaining at the end of next season.

[Casper2]

Don't know how anyone can blame the ref for doing anything other than getting the decision wrong. People who think he shouldn't have blown must believe in a world where referees don't exist. Because that's basically what your advocating for with var pulling it back every time there's a foul. Think I'm over exaggerating? There are goals scored from the half way line and from inside teams own half, is the referee supposed to not blow for what he believes is a foul in the centre circle? It's daft. As the op said, VAR is not fit for purpose. The refs being hung out to dry when the reality is VAR should be able to over turn his mistake.

So why are linesmen instructed to not raise their flag when it’s a clear offside. The ref was miles behind play and made the wrong decision, so whose fault was that ?

[quoonbeatz]

No var and the goal is still ruled out but it’s an honest (wrong) decision and that’s how it goes sometimes, everyone gets on with it. It’s only the fact that var is there that there’s any real controversy. It isn’t fit for purpose and can only truly work in football if every decision is reviewed. And no one wants that.

[Vegas Claret]

Villa were one of the clubs that are really really close to breaking PSR apparently, that decision could have absolutely ****** them. An "honest" mistake doesn't cut it.

[quoonbeatz]

Worth pointing out that they were second best today regardless of the non goal and it’s also very funny that the main cause of their downfall is Martinez who is one of the biggest tossers in football.

Doesn’t negate the var issue though.

[Swizzlestick]

Of course it cuts it. Refereeing mistakes have always happened. Villa benefitted from a piece of monumental luck to help them stay up a few years back, it happens - https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/53078033.amp

Villa sailing close to breaking PSR is the fault of Villa only.

[dsr]

So why are linesmen instructed to not raise their flag when it’s a clear offside. The ref was miles behind play and made the wrong decision, so whose fault was that ?

Linesmen are instructed not to raise their flag for close offsides, because under the new rule it is literally impossible for a linesman to judge. That isn't the issue.

The problem here is that referees are instructed to give free kicks whenever they can, unless they are certain it is not a foul. Defenders have got the hang of it now - if a defender is facing his own goal line and a forward comes to tackle him, all the defender has to do is wait till he is touched and crumple on the floor. He will always (virtually always) get a free kick because refs are instructed not to let a possibly-controversial play develop.

[jos]

You need to watch it again

He isn't in control. The ball bounces off his hands before Rodgers touches it

I didn’t make myself clear.
These were not my comments but those of the professionals assessing the incident.

[CaptJohn]

VAR: Villa Are Robbed.

[Rowls]

BBC news this morning again reporting the goalie "didn't have two hands on the ball."

Very poor.

[Mattster]

Villa are a club that owe their current position to the failure of goal line technology to award a goal against them (that would have relegated them) and VAR not being able to intervene.

The phrase "what goes around, comes around" springs to mind.

[Colburn_Claret]

It should have been a goal, but you can't knock the ref for giving a foul in real time. The only issue was blowing the whistle too early so that VAR couldn't change it. It's a shame, but what goes around comes around.
I still think the problem with VAR is OUR officials. They don't seem to have anywhere near as much controversy on the continent. They make decisions far quicker, and tend to get the calls right. Why we are so poor whether it's incompetence, or trying to undermine the system, I don't know, but we continue to make a hash of something that should be very simple. It isn't going to change until we get rid of the PGMOL.

[bumba]

Not sure of the rules around it but definitely looks like two hands are touching the ball at the moment Rodgers touches it although the keeper never looked in control.
Personally I'd want that disallowed against Burnley

[Hibsclaret]

Don’t think it is as bad as people are making out. You can see that from the refs angle it could look like the ball is between both hands and he blows when he sees that. I would want that given as a foul against us for sure. VAR can’t change that one and given how bad VAR is on ones it can change, I wouldn’t want them given any more rope to hang themselves with tbh.

[Cirrus_Minor]

The ref was at fault for blowing his whistle immediately instead of waiting. VAR could have checked afterwards whether it was a foul or not but once the game was stopped the goal cannot be allowed. We have this where the ref blows immediately and another where the game is allowed to needlessly continue until a player wraps his intestines around a goal post.

[FCBurnley]

VAR should be able to intervene at any time on a serious referee error

[Spijed]

VAR should be able to intervene at any time on a serious referee error

Unless the technology switched on, something Villa conveniently fail to mention

[Conroy92]

VAR should be able to intervene at any time on a serious referee error

This.

[dsr]

Villa are a club that owe their current position to the failure of goal line technology to award a goal against them (that would have relegated them) and VAR not being able to intervene.

The phrase "what goes around, comes around" springs to mind.

Actually VAR could have intervened, but it was an unusual occurrence and the VAR people hadn't a clue what they could or couldn't do.

[brunlea99]

The biggest error in the game, one which surely had a more significant impact on Villa not getting the points they needed, was made by Martinez stupidly getting his red card. Are Villa going to write to him ?

[dsr]

The biggest error in the game, one which surely had a more significant impact on Villa not getting the points they needed, was made by Martinez stupidly getting his red card. Are Villa going to write to him ?

Probably not, because their complaint is that an inexperienced man got it wrong. Martinez may have got it wrong, but he isn't inexperienced!

[dsr]

Having seen it again, does Martinez get a one match ban for professional foul, or a three match ban for violent conduct? It wasn't just obstruction, he clattered him!

[NottsClaret]

Could be a big problem for Villa this. I didn't realise quite how much they've overspent recently, mind-boggling. Missing out on £100m next season is going to see some serious cost-cutting.

[Vegas Claret]

Having seen it again, does Martinez get a one match ban for professional foul, or a three match ban for violent conduct? It wasn't just obstruction, he clattered him!

DOGSO, it was a shoulder barge so should be 1 match

[Mattster]

Actually VAR could have intervened, but it was an unusual occurrence and the VAR people hadn't a clue what they could or couldn't do.

Same diff at the end of the day. They were happy to benefit from an officiating error, at the expense of another team, to the tune of millions of pounds and now they've been done over by one to the tune of millions of pounds. They'd overextended financially then too and got away with it as a result. Now it's time to pay the piper, no sympathy.

[Blue Skies]

As DSR states VAR could have intervened in that Sheffield United game tht stopped them being relegated but the were asleep at VAR Park and thought because the ref's watch didn't say it was over the line then it couldn't have been. To complain to the PL is farcical because as Mattster says "What goes around comes around" I bet they would take that mistake rather than the Sheffield United one if ask. Two wrongs do no make a right but for the Villa arrogance (lived in Brum for 30 years) this time it does