Summer transfer window

[Jakubclaret]

Yes they did. In any case, I did say 'players like...'

Roles reversal - conflict of interest.

[taio]

Roles reversal - conflict of interest.

Eh

[Jakubclaret]

Eh

Think about things & how people are replying. I can remember the last time I quoted you & you didn't understand something & another poster asked me to explain. If you can't be arsed making the effort to understand simple things I'm weary of making the effort.

[ksrclaret]

Roles reversal - conflict of interest.

Jakubot has malfunctioned again.

[taio]

Think about things & how people are replying. I can remember the last time I quoted you & you didn't understand something & another poster asked me to explain. If you can't be arsed making the effort to understand simple things I'm weary of making the effort.

Stop making the effort. It's well recognised you write gibberish.

Edit: as demonstrated above

[Jakubclaret]

Stop making the effort. It's well recognised you write gibberish.

I'm done goodnight.

[Swizzlestick]

Tella started over half of the games for Leverkusen last season, which is pretty impressive when you consider some of the attacking quality they have at their disposal. Anyway, ship has sailed - you’d think Ten Haag will certainly want to at least take a look at him now.

[fatboy47]

Blackburn swoop for Dion de Neve from the Belgian 2nd tier.... blown a few big fish out the water pulling that one off I expect.

[Woodleyclaret]

The day I worry about Rovers signing any playersis the day I stop watching football.Div 2 Belgian league?

[clarets1978]

Blackburn swoop for Dion de Neve from the Belgian 2nd tier.... blown a few big fish out the water pulling that one off I expect.

Oddly enough bought from the club ALK tried to purchase not so long ago

[NickBFC]

Àlex Moreno linked for around £6m, can't see us being keen at 32 years old now.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Clearly looking to get a left fullback in with the links to Targett and Moreno thus far.

Albeit he’s more attacking but can play there, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Ryan Sessegnon linked at some point.

[Conroy92]

If I was looking at Villa I would rather have a punt on Luca Digne

[bodge]

SSN just reported as breaking news that Newcastle are in talks with Burnley re James Trafford, said that Burnley value him at 30 million.

[Woodleyclaret]

We need Nick Pope in the deal if it's as low as £30m.We don't want another giveaway and we need to include a 25% sell on clause .We still over City a percentage of any sale

[mdd2]

Didnt he cost us £20million?

[burnley007]

£30m has to be ********.

That's waaaay too cheap. Again.

[fatboy47]

Didnt he cost us £20million?

Yep...with City's sell-on that's a massive punt for around 30% profit.

[gandhisflipflop]

I thought city had a buy back at 42m. If so, that has to be the cost for Newcastle.

[GetIntoEm]

We paid less than £20m for Trafford. More like £15m

[TsarBomba]

£30m has to be ********.

That's waaaay too cheap. Again.

I wouldn’t say it’s *way* too cheap. Depends how it’s structured and if there is a sell on clause added.

£30M puts him in the top 10 GK fees of all the time.

People saying he’s worth £50M are living in cloud cuckoo land. That puts him as the 3rd most expensive GK behind Alisson.

[jedi_master]

For context, Jordan Pickford cost Everton £30m EIGHT years ago after playing one season in the Premier League, and as he was through their youth system there was no sell on in play to contend with either.

Very poor fee, in my opinion.

EDIT - Will caveat this with, if it's £30m plus Pope and Targett (example), then it's an excellent fee. We need to know more.

[agreenwood]

Being on standby to react emotionally to every ounce of transfer news must be exhausting.

[Commy]

Pickford was signed in 2017 for £25m rising to £30m with add ons. Have goalkeeper values not gone up like the rest of the players in those years?

[jojomk1]

For context, Jordan Pickford cost Everton £30m EIGHT years ago after playing one season in the Premier League, and as he was through their youth system there was no sell on in play to contend with either.

Very poor fee, in my opinion.

EDIT - Will caveat this with, if it's £30m plus Pope and Targett (example), then it's an excellent fee. We need to know more.

Just let us know when Alan gives you a ring to seek your advice on any potential deal

[jedi_master]

Just let us know when Alan gives you a ring to seek your advice on any potential deal

Bizarre Ok, I will refrain from giving an opinion on this deal as I am not Alan Pace and thus my opinion is irrelevant.

[Claretnick]

Why do folk always believe stuff that the media spew out and come on here rubbishing the club again?

[claretonthecoast1882]

Pickford was signed in 2017 for £25m rising to £30m with add ons. Have goalkeeper values not gone up like the rest of the players in those years?

Dean Henderson signed for Palace from Man Utd for about 15m in 2023. So you could argue the values have gone up yeah. They will always struggle to look like they haven't if you compare his fee to the dearest you can find.

[burnley007]

Why do folk always believe stuff that the media spew out and come on here rubbishing the club again?

It's not believing it as fact. It is discussing the potential of it being true. I think that is one of the general ideas of a forum. Correct me if I'm wrong please.

[Claretnick]

It's not believing it as fact. It is discussing the potential of it being true. I think that is one of the general ideas of a forum. Correct me if I'm wrong please.

Don't patronise me...why say that fee is too low if you don't believe the breaking news. Why comment on something that you know nothing about.
Why do the pessimists appear to shout the loudest on here after every snippet of potential news.

[jedi_master]

Leaving the fee to the side because I am not allowed to talk about it, it does make sense to sell him this summer really. Trafford won't be the reason we are conceding goals for fun most weeks, but the likelihood is we probably will be and that might affect his value hugely again. There were plenty of posts on here last summer hoping Trafford got sold for £15-20m off the back of us getting pumped each week.

There won't be a better time to sell him from our perspective really.

[RVclaret]

Given how the likes of Saudi FC have inflated the market and made it less competitive for clubs like us, the only fair way to create some kind of balance when they sign players from us, is to ask for a premium. £30m is probably fair market value, but the premium should be up to £40m.

As for Trafford leaving, initially I was really against it, but I think there are other excellent and more experienced keepers out there, that will cost a fraction. Maybe works out okay this one.

Edit - just as I post this, Nixon reckons we want £40m.

[Darnhill Claret]

I'm sure that Trafford will go with a fee in the top 3 or 4 for a keeper of his age. I agree that 30m seems on the low side.
Wasn't the buy back clause for City reported to be something like 3 times the supposed fee of 14m, suggesting 42m?
This does seem to make an estimate of his hoped for/expected potential, that now seems perfectly reasonable.
The gamble is when will his stock be highest? Now or at the end of next season?
What was promised, if anything, to James when we turned down Newcastle last time?

Personally I'd want to keep James until I'd identified the next best goalkeeper of a similar age, under market value.
Which is pretty much what is going on behind the scenes right now, I would imagine, as I'm sure it will be for every onfield position.

[jedi_master]

Given how the likes of Saudi FC have inflated the market and made it less competitive for clubs like us, the only fair way to create some kind of balance when they sign players from us, is to ask for a premium. £30m is probably fair market value, but the premium should be up to £40m.

As for Trafford leaving, initially I was really against it, but I think there are other excellent and more experienced keepers out there, that will cost a fraction. Maybe works out okay this one.

Edit - just as I post this, Nixon reckons we want £40m.

£40m or £30m + Pope (assuming he is being touted at £10m) is the sweet spot for us, and I feel fair in this market.

[CoolClaret]

40m is good business, though I won't be wishing him away.

Sign Viktor Johansson for 7 ish, sign a big, aerially dominant striker, play a bit more direct. Laughing.

[agreenwood]

For context, only 3 goalkeepers in the entire history of world football have been sold for more than £35m. In all three cases we are taking about GKs who were playing at the top and of major leagues and European football.

Acting like £30m (even if it’s true) is some kind of ridiculous bargain, just isn’t born out by everything that’s gone before.

[PremierLeagueClass]

Given how the likes of Saudi FC have inflated the market and made it less competitive for clubs like us, the only fair way to create some kind of balance when they sign players from us, is to ask for a premium. £30m is probably fair market value, but the premium should be up to £40m.

As for Trafford leaving, initially I was really against it, but I think there are other excellent and more experienced keepers out there, that will cost a fraction. Maybe works out okay this one.

Edit - just as I post this, Nixon reckons we want £40m.

Eddie was moaning about exactly that the other day. Finding it difficult to deal with clubs because they impose ‘Saudi Tax’.

[RVclaret]

For context, only 3 goalkeepers in the entire history of world football have been sold for more than £35m. In all three cases we are taking about GKs who were playing at the top and of major leagues and European football.

Acting like £30m (even if it’s true) is some kind of ridiculous bargain, just isn’t born out by everything that’s gone before.

While true, the likes of Newcastle haven’t always been owned by oil states, so historic transfer fees have some relevance but context to the ‘new state’ of football finance has to be given.

[GetIntoEm]

Don't want pope, but £40m would be a good deal

[Spijed]

As Man city get 20% of any profit that's a big chunk before we can make a decent amount.

If we bought him for £15 million, sell for £30 million that's £3 million, leaving us with just a £12 million profit.

Not much is it?

[claretonthecoast1882]

As Man city get 20% of any profit that's a big chunk before we can make a decent amount.

If we bought him for £15 million, sell for £30 million that's £3 million, leaving us with just a £12 million profit.

Not much is it?

Does the same apply if we lose 12m on a player ? Not much is it ?

[agreenwood]

While true, the likes of Newcastle haven’t always been owned by oil states, so historic transfer fees have some relevance but context to the ‘new state’ of football finance has to be given.

Newcastle still have to comply with FFP/PSR like everyone else. They’ve shown zero indication that they’ll massively overpay. They shelled out the third lowest amount of any Pl club last season.

[aggi]

For context, only 3 goalkeepers in the entire history of world football have been sold for more than £35m. In all three cases we are taking about GKs who were playing at the top and of major leagues and European football.

Acting like £30m (even if it’s true) is some kind of ridiculous bargain, just isn’t born out by everything that’s gone before.

And two of those were Kepa and Onana so not much value in the expensive goalkeeper market (although I think it may be more than 3).

[agreenwood]

And two of those were Kepa and Onana so not much value in the expensive goalkeeper market (although I think it may be more than 3).

No idea how accurate it is, but couldn’t find anything else..

https://www.football365.com/news/20-mos ... er-history

[gandhisflipflop]

35m plus nick pope and a 20% sell on.

[agreenwood]

35m plus nick pope and a 20% sell on.

Not sure there’s much benefit to a sell on. Successful GKs at Champions League clubs rarely move these days.

[Murger]

Nixon has wrote we want £40m for Trafford.

[daveisaclaret]

I know we're in the boom era for signing ex-players but I've no idea why so many people are confident Nick Pope would be remotely happy to be told his replacement was being signed and he has to go back to Burnley as part of the deal.

In agreement £30 million would be on the low side with the way fees have gone in the 8 years since the Pickford move but I suspect the club's best move this summer is sell him for what we can.

[fatboy47]

Nothing ridiculous about a fee around £35m.

What we paid was the ridiculous bit for a kid (2nd choice behind Verbruggen btw) who'd barely played above League One.

[NewClaret]

And two of those were Kepa and Onana so not much value in the expensive goalkeeper market (although I think it may be more than 3).

I think those two are prime examples of why we should be holding out for more.

It wouldn’t shock me if United come in for him, or City look to exercise the buy back. A buy back and loan might work for all.

Odd thing about this is that if he’s fighting for number one at Newcastle, it suggests he won’t be starting every week. He’d be better staying here and being guaranteed to play.

There’s something that tells me Newcastle might be open to some creative solutions here though. We need experience to stay up, they have some experienced players they’re looking to move on. Perhaps some loan deals with low options to buy if we stay up. I could go with £30m if they chuck us a couple of good deals like that.