Summer transfer window

[Vegas Claret]

If you look at the talent the French produce, for him to be in the U21 squad he must be more than decent !

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Played with Assignon at Rennes.

[Conroy92]

Has he played with Esteve at french youth level?

[billyhamilton82]

Has he played with Esteve at french youth level?

Good shout

Quick check, yes it seems they have played at 21's level together in qualifiers last October.

[willsclarets]

I have a few good pals who are Everton fans, and it sounds like he's been a liability for a good 3 or 4 seasons now. A threat in both boxes, for and against.

[alwaysaclaret]

I have a few good pals who are Everton fans, and it sounds like he's been a liability for a good 3 or 4 seasons now. A threat in both boxes, for and against.

Is this Keane you refer to here ?

[willsclarets]

Is this Keane you refer to here ?

Yes sorry, a name would've been helpful there

[Woodleyclaret]

Everton fans are the worst for turning on their own players.Micheal Keane is an ideal and cheap replacement for ill advised CJER

[Goliath]

Everton fans are the worst for turning on their own players.Micheal Keane is an ideal and cheap replacement for ill advised CJER

This. Moyes raved about Keanes performance at Fulham towards the end of the season. Still a good player. Not sure he'd be that cheap though

[willsclarets]

Everton fans are the worst for turning on their own players.Micheal Keane is an ideal and cheap replacement for ill advised CJER

I love these random and unfounded statements about sets of fans. Burnley are no better at being patient with players than any other team. Everton are no better or worse either.

Also I didn't ask all Everton fans, I asked friends who are balanced and loyal season ticket ticket holders. They didnt say it with vitriol, just that gradually more costly errors have plagued his game, to the point where he became a liability. Balanced with that was his attacking threat.

Your assertion that he's an ideal replacement for Egan Riley is based on what exactly? Probably not the last 100 games he's played in an Everton shirt.

[willsclarets]

This. Moyes raved about Keanes performance at Fulham towards the end of the season. Still a good player. Not sure he'd be that cheap though

Shock horror as manager praises defender he wants rid of, raving so much he's happy to release him.
I'm sure Moyes respects him, and he has been a good servant. But he's not been at the races for a good few seasons.

[Mattster]

Keane would be a good replacement for Egan-Riley if we intend to completely change how we build attacks. If Parker intends to keep the same patterns of how we build attacks then Keane would be an terrible replacement because he's not like for like in any way and Egan-Riley was the key cog in our build up. Of the players linked THB is the closest like for like.

[bumba]

Keane would be a good replacement for Egan-Riley if we intend to completely change how we build attacks. If Parker intends to keep the same patterns of how we build attacks then Keane would be an terrible replacement because he's not like for like in any way and Egan-Riley was the key cog in our build up. Of the players linked THB is the closest like for like.

Not saying I want Keane but we need someone who can defend more than someone who can build the play, we'll have minimal possession in over 90% of our games we won't dominate any game this season so THB would get found out just like he did this season

[BigChaCha]

by bumba » Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:26 am

Not saying I want Keane but we need someone who can defend more than someone who can build the play, we'll have minimal possession in over 90% of our games we won't dominate any game this season so THB would get found out just like he did this season

And how many full games did you watch of THB last season to conclude that he got found out?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Not saying I want Keane but we need someone who can defend more than someone who can build the play, we'll have minimal possession in over 90% of our games we won't dominate any game this season so THB would get found out just like he did this season

On the flip side Bumba it will be critical we have a CB that has a range of passing so that we can beat the press and counter attack efficiently,

We have to find that fine line between between being overly defensive and too open.

I personally think THB would be excellent as it would allow an out ball to Anthony on the counter.

[jedi_master]

Why not both Keane and THB? A back three of those with Esteve would surely be a great platform to try and stay in games, which should be our priority in every game I think. Would need money spending on two wing backs though to accomplish this, so it’s a big financial ask.

[Big Vinny K]

Why not both Keane and THB? A back three of those with Esteve would surely be a great platform to try and stay in games, which should be our priority in every game I think. Would need money spending on two wing backs though to accomplish this, so it’s a big financial ask.

Think with Bashir able to play centre back we would not need THB and Keane. Personally I’d rather put this into other parts of the team we need to strengthen.

I’d take either btw - but I think Keane could be the better option financially and also his experience and what he could pass on to our younger centre backs would be good.

[helmclaret]

Not sure where this ‘back three’ thinking is coming from.

[helmclaret]

Think with Bashir able to play centre back we would not need THB and Keane. Personally I’d rather put this into other parts of the team we need to strengthen.

I’d take either btw - but I think Keane could be the better option financially and also his experience and what he could pass on to our younger centre backs would be good.

The worrying thing for me is Keane hasn’t been able to hold down a place in a pretty terrible Everton team.

[northeastclaret]

The worrying thing for me is Keane hasn’t been able to hold down a place in a pretty terrible Everton team.

Is he better than Tarkowski and Braithwaite? If not it’s irrelevant if the rest of the team are pretty terrible isnt it ?

[Goliath]

Shock horror as manager praises defender he wants rid of, raving so much he's happy to release him.
I'm sure Moyes respects him, and he has been a good servant. But he's not been at the races for a good few seasons.

You should work on your critical thinking skills
Firstly, the point you make about a manager praising a player who's leaving is usually saved for players being sold to try and increase the size of the bid. It'd be a bit pointless as a general tactic for out of contract players. I think it's more likely he praised him because they won away at a very difficult place to go and Keane was one of the best players on the pitch. Impressive and shows his character having been out of the side for so long before that.

Secondly, he doesn't want rid of him, they've offered him a new deal by all account and he's now deliberating on that because it's unlikely he will be first choice.

[claretspice]

Keane would be a good replacement for Egan-Riley if we intend to completely change how we build attacks. If Parker intends to keep the same patterns of how we build attacks then Keane would be an terrible replacement because he's not like for like in any way and Egan-Riley was the key cog in our build up. Of the players linked THB is the closest like for like.

Whilst this is a legitimate concern, it's in danger of being a tail that wags the dog. Keane is not a bad footballer at all - he stood out for being composed from the back in his first spell - and generally speaking these days the majority of defenders we look at should be competent on the ball. It may well be that they don't have the ability to play long, raking passes that Egan Riley has, but whilst that is a nice to have it isn't something that we should prioritise at the expense of ensuring we are properly equipped to defend properly. I've no idea whether Keane is the same player these days, but certainly, physically, his profile feels more appropriate to me than THB. If that means we have to look again at how we release wide players then OK - but given the onus will be on us less to break teams open and more to exploit space on the counter-attack, we'll have to look again at how we play anyway.

I would have thought we want 5 front line centre backs for next season, including Bashir who can cover both left back and centre back. In addition to Humphreys, we have Esteve and Worrall who you'd certainly expect to be involved, plus Bayer, who may or may not be ready for Premier League football next season (I think the consensus is that he might need a loan, first), and plus Ekdal and Delcroix who would seem quite likely to be sold. As a result I can see it being quite likely we're in the market for a couple of centre backs this summer.

[alwaysaclaret]

Think with Bashir able to play centre back we would not need THB and Keane. Personally I’d rather put this into other parts of the team we need to strengthen.

I’d take either btw - but I think Keane could be the better option financially and also his experience and what he could pass on to our younger centre backs would be good.

Problem here is that both esteve and Bashir are very much left sided so not sure either of them could move over if we were to play both in the suggestion of a back 3, in other word's if both were to play with Keane on the right for instance I'd expect we'd be a bit disjointed, just don't think it would work, ideally would need a very capable "central defender" comfortable with using either foot. In terms of whether Keane or THB would be the better we'd need to weigh up which gives the better balance, cos if reports are to be believed it seems we're likely to end up with one of them.

[aggi]

I have a few good pals who are Everton fans, and it sounds like he's been a liability for a good 3 or 4 seasons now. A threat in both boxes, for and against.

Everton fans I know have said the same. Not sure if it's just coincidence but I've seen him make a few costly blunders when watching MoTD.

[bumba]

On the flip side Bumba it will be critical we have a CB that has a range of passing so that we can beat the press and counter attack efficiently,

We have to find that fine line between between being overly defensive and too open.

I personally think THB would be excellent as it would allow an out ball to Anthony on the counter.

Southampton tried using him for his passing ability and bought rapid wide players for the counter, it never worked at all.
I don't buy in to this that a relegation fighting club needs ball playing centre backs at all.
We need defenders who can defend then let players like Cullen get the ball forward quickly or Hannibal/Laurent carrying to get it up the field to the wide players.

[Big Vinny K]

Problem here is that both esteve and Bashir are very much left sided so not sure either of them could move over if we were to play both in the suggestion of a back 3, in other word's if both were to play with Keane on the right for instance I'd expect we'd be a bit disjointed, just don't think it would work, ideally would need a very capable "central defender" comfortable with using either foot. In terms of whether Keane or THB would be the better we'd need to weigh up which gives the better balance, cos if reports are to be believed it seems we're likely to end up with one of them.

Yes good point.
Of course we do not know whether playing 3 at the back is part of SPs thinking for next season.
If we were to get both THB and Keane given the amount this would cost in wages for both and transfer fee for THB it sounds like there is a good chance we could be playing 3 at back and Bashir is going to be used as left back primarily and cover for centre back.

[summitclaret]

THB just like CJER, ideal for moulding into the Rodri role.

[CyrilEbokiPoh]

THB just like CJER, ideal for moulding into the Rodri role.

Dont you mean the David edgar role?

[sjb]

I sometimes wonder if supporters of other clubs are as obsessed with getting former players back in the way some Burnley fans are. So far on this thread I've seen people calling for the return of Heaton, Pope, Tripper, Mee, Taylor, Keane, Cornet, O'Shea & Harwood-Bellis. There may be others too. I don't disagree that most of those were very good for the club, but surely we need to look forward not back?

[Mattster]

Whilst this is a legitimate concern, it's in danger of being a tail that wags the dog. Keane is not a bad footballer at all - he stood out for being composed from the back in his first spell - and generally speaking these days the majority of defenders we look at should be competent on the ball. It may well be that they don't have the ability to play long, raking passes that Egan Riley has, but whilst that is a nice to have it isn't something that we should prioritise at the expense of ensuring we are properly equipped to defend properly. I've no idea whether Keane is the same player these days, but certainly, physically, his profile feels more appropriate to me than THB. If that means we have to look again at how we release wide players then OK - but given the onus will be on us less to break teams open and more to exploit space on the counter-attack, we'll have to look again at how we play anyway.

I think a solid defensive setup can elevate a weaker defender but unless you have the forwards for kick and rush football a defender with poor distribution can't be elevated to contribute to attack.

We simply don't have the attackers to soak up and hit on the counter in the PL without someone who can play accurate long/through balls. Anthony/Edwards don't have the pace to chase balls into the channels. Flemming isn't a player who can be a target man at PL level. Unless the plan is to ditch the whole first choice attack for the pace/power of Koleosho/Foster plus Tchaouna and other new signings I don't see how we can play counter attacking football without someone with a good range of passing at the back. We could look to add that distribution at RB/LB or possibly another DM but that would be more change and I thought the hope was for consistency.

[RVclaret]

Not sure where this ‘back three’ thinking is coming from.

Parker played it 90% of the time in the Prem previously, and in certain games last season like Southampton away (a PL team).

[Sutton-Claret]

I sometimes wonder if supporters of other clubs are as obsessed with getting former players back in the way some Burnley fans are. So far on this thread I've seen people calling for the return of Heaton, Pope, Tripper, Mee, Taylor, Keane, Cornet, O'Shea & Harwood-Bellis. There may be others too. I don't disagree that most of those were very good for the club, but surely we need to look forward not back?

Man U fans learnt their lesson with Ronaldo

[claretspice]

I think a solid defensive setup can elevate a weaker defender but unless you have the forwards for kick and rush football a defender with poor distribution can't be elevated to contribute to attack.

We simply don't have the attackers to soak up and hit on the counter in the PL without someone who can play accurate long/through balls. Anthony/Edwards don't have the pace to chase balls into the channels. Flemming isn't a player who can be a target man at PL level. Unless the plan is to ditch the whole first choice attack for the pace/power of Koleosho/Foster plus Tchaouna and other new signings I don't see how we can play counter attacking football without someone with a good range of passing at the back. We could look to add that distribution at RB/LB or possibly another DM but that would be more change and I thought the hope was for consistency.

I think you're taking this to extremes. I don't think it's accurate to say that the only longer pass someone like Michael Keane (say) can play is kick and rush. Nor Max Esteve, nor Humphreys, nor Roberts, and that's before we get into the ability of midfielders to play those passes.

It would be better to replace that raking pass. But first and foremost we need a defensive unit, and defenders in it, that can defend. Of course they need to be comfortable on the ball and able to pass the thing, and play forwards with reasonable accuracy. But I don't think we need to prioritise someone who can thread the eye of the needle like CJ could. We're in a different league and the challenges we face are different.

[Big Vinny K]

I sometimes wonder if supporters of other clubs are as obsessed with getting former players back in the way some Burnley fans are. So far on this thread I've seen people calling for the return of Heaton, Pope, Tripper, Mee, Taylor, Keane, Cornet, O'Shea & Harwood-Bellis. There may be others too. I don't disagree that most of those were very good for the club, but surely we need to look forward not back?

That’s assuming that the reason supporters are advocating signing a player because he used to play for Burnley. A much more logical explanation would be that they would like a player because of his attributes and what they think he could bring to the team.

Whenever we get linked with an ex player we always get several posts about the obsession with ex players etc.

The other obvious thing is that it’s likely most fans will have seen a lot more of an ex player in action than some other players who may be linked.

Fortunately for us I am pretty sure that being an ex player is not the number one factor for SP and AP when signing players.

[willsclarets]

You should work on your critical thinking skills
Firstly, the point you make about a manager praising a player who's leaving is usually saved for players being sold to try and increase the size of the bid. It'd be a bit pointless as a general tactic for out of contract players. I think it's more likely he praised him because they won away at a very difficult place to go and Keane was one of the best players on the pitch. Impressive and shows his character having been out of the side for so long before that.

Secondly, he doesn't want rid of him, they've offered him a new deal by all account and he's now deliberating on that because it's unlikely he will be first choice.

Fair enough, he's been offered a deal, but he would be 4th choice. He's made a huge amount of errors that have led to goals in the past year or so. I'm just amazed people are so keen on signing Evertons 4th choice, error prone CB at the back end of his career. Based on what? The fact he was good for us a decade ago? How is that in any way a decent replacement for Egan Riley.

[Guller Bull]

Manor Soloman link

https://www.footballinsider247.com/excl ... r-solomon/

[NewClaret]

That’s assuming that the reason supporters are advocating signing a player because he used to play for Burnley. A much more logical explanation would be that they would like a player because of his attributes and what they think he could bring to the team.

Whenever we get linked with an ex player we always get several posts about the obsession with ex players etc.

The other obvious thing is that it’s likely most fans will have seen a lot more of an ex player in action than some other players who may be linked.

Fortunately for us I am pretty sure that being an ex player is not the number one factor for SP and AP when signing players.

Agree.

I think it’s mainly because Burnley fans have seen them play a lot and probably don’t watch the players from other clubs that we’re linked with. Plus they’re typically of good character.

There’s one or two I would take back. I think we need experience and some of our ex players definitely have that, but you’re right that it’s not going to be a key criteria for the club.

[Goliath]

The big raking diagonal is a brilliant tool to break down stubborn defences, because it manages to isolate their full backs and gets them scrambling.
Against Prem teams it won't be as necessary IMO.

[NewClaret]

The big raking diagonal is a brilliant tool to break down stubborn defences, because it manages to isolate their full backs and gets them scrambling.
Against Prem teams it won't be as necessary IMO.

Completely agree.

With teams rarely sitting in against us, there’s way less chance we’ll ever have the time to play one. And the quality of the defenders means more chance they’ll get across more quickly when if we did.

Learning to play on the counter and score from set pieces will be key this summer. Parker almost needs to coach a whole new style this summer!

[boyyanno]

That’s assuming that the reason supporters are advocating signing a player because he used to play for Burnley. A much more logical explanation would be that they would like a player because of his attributes and what they think he could bring to the team.

Whenever we get linked with an ex player we always get several posts about the obsession with ex players etc.

The other obvious thing is that it’s likely most fans will have seen a lot more of an ex player in action than some other players who may be linked.

Fortunately for us I am pretty sure that being an ex player is not the number one factor for SP and AP when signing players.

I agree as well.

I find that we get linked to a lot of ex players because they are at a level that suits our club as opposed to just because they played for us.

[billyhamilton82]

The big raking diagonal is a brilliant tool to break down stubborn defences, because it manages to isolate their full backs and gets them scrambling.
Against Prem teams it won't be as necessary IMO.

Was thinking exactly the same, its more important to buy PL experience IMO.

The last time we went up that was our main failing, we had no PL nouse.

The group of "why do we buy former players" crew may well go into meltdown.

Its not beyond the realms of possibility that we sign, THB or O' Shea and also Keane and Mee as back up

[Mattster]

I think you're taking this to extremes. I don't think it's accurate to say that the only longer pass someone like Michael Keane (say) can play is kick and rush. Nor Max Esteve, nor Humphreys, nor Roberts, and that's before we get into the ability of midfielders to play those passes.

It would be better to replace that raking pass. But first and foremost we need a defensive unit, and defenders in it, that can defend. Of course they need to be comfortable on the ball and able to pass the thing, and play forwards with reasonable accuracy. But I don't think we need to prioritise someone who can thread the eye of the needle like CJ could. We're in a different league and the challenges we face are different.

But aren't you also being extreme by saying THB can't defend by comparison to Keane? A look at the stats for the two last season as individuals doesn't suggest a massive gulf, especially when you consider one was in a defence that was completely hung out to dry by it's manager whilst the other had managers famed for protecting their defences.

The passing from CJ was such a huge part of our attacking play last season that losing that and having any hope next season is just not compatible. As I've said a good defensive setup can elevate/protect a defender but no system can elevate an average passer's distribution to the level of one like CJ/THB. I may have been harsh on others like Keane/Esteve but you must admit neither has shown anything near the passing range of CJ/THB at any point in their careers. And if Anthony and Edwards are to be our first choice wide attackers next season they need that kind of passing, neither is going to beat a PL wing back for pace or strength, they need the ball played to them with that same precision as they had this season.

[randomclaret2]

Everton fans I know have said the same. Not sure if it's just coincidence but I've seen him make a few costly blunders when watching MoTD.

Me too, seems to have been extremely accident prone in this last 2 or 3 seasons; perhaps one of the reasons he has played so little.

[Steddyman]

Manor Soloman link

https://www.footballinsider247.com/excl ... r-solomon/

All the posts after this one demonstrate why this thread is so annoying. Actual transfer rumour and everyone keeps on arguing their personal opinions on players previously linked and ignores it.

[JarrowClaret]

Fair enough, he's been offered a deal, but he would be 4th choice. He's made a huge amount of errors that have led to goals in the past year or so. I'm just amazed people are so keen on signing Evertons 4th choice, error prone CB at the back end of his career. Based on what? The fact he was good for us a decade ago? How is that in any way a decent replacement for Egan Riley.

At the start of last season Egan Riley was about the 5th choice CB for us in the championship:
Esteve
O’Shea
Ekdal
Delcrois

That’s ignoring Beyer and Egan who if fit would also have been ahead of him

He was great last season but let’s not get blinded by that, Keane is a decent option with a lot of experience.

[BigGaz]

All the posts after this one demonstrate why this thread is so annoying. Actual transfer rumour and everyone keeps on arguing their personal opinions on players previously linked and ignores it.

Allow me to put you on.

https://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Sport/Footb ... ip/Burnley

This is a news aggregator for all things Burnley. Pretty much everything you see in here will be captured in this feed.

No snarkiness, just a place for you to consume transfer news related to Burnley without having to engage with this thread (if you want).

[AfloatinClaret]

... this thread is so annoying. Actual transfer rumour and everyone keeps on arguing their personal opinions on players previously linked and ignores it.

That's not fair; people are only making one post each to register their opinion, the rest of their posts are needed to justify why their opinion is so much more valid and superior to all those other opinions. This is of course is generally due to everyone else being idiots who don't know/understand football like wot they do.

[Claretnick]

Seems like Joe Worrall is being completely forgotten about in this CB debate, he has played for Forest in the PL and you never know he might save us having to shell out for CJ's replacement when other areas in the squad need addressing..

[Steddyman]

Allow me to put you on.

https://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Sport/Footb ... ip/Burnley

This is a news aggregator for all things Burnley. Pretty much everything you see in here will be captured in this feed.

No snarkiness, just a place for you to consume transfer news related to Burnley without having to engage with this thread (if you want).

Allow me to share the following link with you: viewforum.php?f=2

You can use it to create your own thread on any subject you like. (Apologies, just noticed you were not being snarky). I like discussions on the new links, not opinions on the old.

[RVclaret]

Allow me to share the following link with you: viewforum.php?f=2

You can use it to create your own thread on any subject you like. (Apologies, just noticed you were not being snarky). I like discussions on the new links, not opinions on the old.

The thread below was created for links only, with this one being for those who wish to discuss the summer window in general (it seems like a fairly central discussion point for Burnley FC).

It seems it wasn’t very popular, but feel free to help maintain it, with others who share the same view:

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