Burnley value Esteve at 50 million

[FCBurnley]

Burnley have put a transfer valuation of 50 million on Esteve after interest from Bayern.
Wish they would have said He is not for sale !!!

[FeedTheArf]

Burnley have put a transfer valuation of 50 million on Esteve after interest from Bayern.
Wish they would have said He is not for sale !!!

Every player is for sale at a club like ours

[Ptgclaret]

I think most would happily give him their best wishes if he went for 50 million.

Great player for us, with a much higher ceiling. I personally look forward to seeing how he does at the top level - but would be delighted if he stayed.

[Leisure]

Burnley have put a transfer valuation of 50 million on Esteve after interest from Bayern.
Wish they would have said He is not for sale !!!

Maybe that's actually what the Club are saying, by putting such a high value on him!

[CrosspoolClarets]

What they cannot do though is say to a player you cannot move, even to a world leading club. All players would want to go in that scenario.

Setting a price like this is clever, it sends a message to Esteve’s agent, not just other clubs. Don’t mess us about unless there is huge money.

[warksclaret]

What they cannot do though is say to a player you cannot move, even to a world leading club. All players would want to go in that scenario.

Setting a price like this is clever, it sends a message to Esteve’s agent, not just other clubs. Don’t mess us about unless there is huge money.

This is good-just like Palace's plan re Guehi. Last season he was priced at £70m and Newcastle re-buffed 3 times for not meeting the ticket price

[Caballo]

Sadly the 50 mil valuation is likely to be realised, if Bayern won't pay it someone else will. Everton are receiving enquires about Branthwaite, who they value at 80, they're eyeing Esteve, I'm sure they could find something to spend the remainder on on.

[Dyched]

This is good-just like Palace's plan re Guehi. Last season he was priced at £70m and Newcastle re-buffed 3 times for not meeting the ticket price

Risky business. If a club values a player x amount and the club refuses to sell for any less. Then the player is likely to kick up a fuss and demand what a player valued at such an amount should be worth.

[GetIntoEm]

Think it's a not for sale message.

£50m would be daft to turn down tho.

Fair play Alan

[dougcollins]

Can't see Al doing VK any favours.

[Clive 1960]

Every player as a price and if we get offered the asking price for Esteve he will go like any other player i can remember watching the Clarets for many years ...

[Big Vinny K]

Sadly the 50 mil valuation is likely to be realised, if Bayern won't pay it someone else will. Everton are receiving enquires about Branthwaite, who they value at 80, they're eyeing Esteve, I'm sure they could find something to spend the remainder on on.

Is that eighty quid for Branthwaite ?
He’s dropped below Egan Riley in the u21 team.

No way Everton will get anywhere near that for him now and no way they can afford £50m for Esteve either

[NewClaret]

Is that eighty quid for Branthwaite ?
He’s dropped below Egan Riley in the u21 team.

No way Everton will get anywhere near that for him now and no way they can afford £50m for Esteve either

Yeah, will be amazed if Everton sell Branthwaite, or they get offers for him they’d deem acceptable. His stock seems to have fallen. I’d also be really shocked if Esteve chose Everton as I think he’ll have better options if not this summer, next.

£50m sounds a lot but a great season in the Premier League and we might even get more in future. Cunha’s just gone for £62.5m for example. We do risk going down and getting less though.

[ClaretTony]

Where has this £50m valuation come from?

[Darnhill Claret]

Somewhere Over The Rainbow.

[GetIntoEm]

Obviously the club dont want to sell him and warning clubs off.

Good work

[CnBtruntru]

Where has this £50m valuation come from?

Further up the thread, or thin air

[DAVETHEVICAR]

BBC sports gossip - “Football Insider”

[Foshiznik]

We could buy 100 Laurents with that.

[RickyBobby]

We need to keep hold of someone. Trafford, CJ and Brownhill are going to leave a massive hole. If we add Steve to that then there isn’t much chance of us staying up at all.

[jlup1980]

£50m for Esteve, £30m for Trafford. That'll go a long way towards PSR compliance!

[gandhisflipflop]

£50m for Esteve, £30m for Trafford. That'll go a long way towards PSR compliance!

Plus 80m compo from Everton and we can mount a title charge

[Targetman]

We need to keep hold of someone. Trafford, CJ and Brownhill are going to leave a massive hole. If we add Steve to that then there isn’t much chance of us staying up at all.

Lets not let facts get in the way of a good rumour!

[ClaretPete001]

The club is in a bit of a hole really. The debts are too big to sustain in the Championship and we likely as not do not have much to invest in new players. So, relegation again is a real possibility.

ALKs model is based upon bridging the gap between our revenue and that of the PL by buying and selling players. If they can sell off Esteve for £50 million (let's pretend it is true) and replace him for EUR13 million (as he originally cost) that is substantive funds to pay down debt and maintain the value of the squad at a much higher level than the Championship can afford.

The clubs model is built on selling Esteve. If we don't sell him then we have to stay in the PL for long enough to pay down debt and given we managed to increase the wage bill to £90 million last time even that is not going to generate much profit.

Point being - it's unlikely to be a football decision.

[jlup1980]

Plus 80m compo from Everton and we can mount a title charge

That's the spirit. Champions League here we come!

[Roosterbooster]

We could buy 100 Laurents with that.

I'd love a league where you get to field as many players as you like. Just as long as you're within budget

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Good, it's a fair valuation for a player who's star is rising
I think spurs were sniffing around last season when its rumoured we wanted £30 million

This is the business model of the club, buy low, develop and sell high
Yes it's an alien concept to some fans of the club, these fans seem to value our players much lower and scoff at the idea of getting big money for anyone

[IanMcL]

We have a stable team which is rapidly becoming another new team. Oh dear.

[Big Vinny K]

Sorry - who have we sold ?

I think putting a £50m valuation on Esteve (if that is true) is quite positive….as long as we hold firm to it.
Shows that we would rather keep him but if we have to sell him then we want a big fee.

Not sure this £50m is anything to do with the ALK model or the need to pay off debt. If we were really under that much financial pressure surely we’d be happy to take a significantly lower amount than £50m.

£50m for a centre back unproven in the Premier League and not even a full international is going to rule out a big chunk of the teams. I don’t think any club out of the top 6 or 7 have ever paid that kind of fee for a centre back.

[taio]

Good, it's a fair valuation for a player who's star is rising
I think spurs were sniffing around last season when its rumoured we wanted £30 million

This is the business model of the club, buy low, develop and sell high
Yes it's an alien concept to some fans of the club, these fans seem to value our players much lower and scoff at the idea of getting big money for anyone

I'm sure the vast majority of our supporters are fine with the club putting a £50m on Esteve, if true. There is obviously a difference between this type of valuation and what a player's fee would actually be, if sold. Supporters tend to discuss the amount we would realistically get if a sale is confirmed.

[billyhamilton82]

The club is in a bit of a hole really. The debts are too big to sustain in the Championship and we likely as not do not have much to invest in new players. So, relegation again is a real possibility.

ALKs model is based upon bridging the gap between our revenue and that of the PL by buying and selling players. If they can sell off Esteve for £50 million (let's pretend it is true) and replace him for EUR13 million (as he originally cost) that is substantive funds to pay down debt and maintain the value of the squad at a much higher level than the Championship can afford.

The clubs model is built on selling Esteve. If we don't sell him then we have to stay in the PL for long enough to pay down debt and given we managed to increase the wage bill to £90 million last time even that is not going to generate much profit.

Point being - it's unlikely to be a football decision.

[ClaretPete001]

Sorry - who have we sold ?

I think putting a £50m valuation on Esteve (if that is true) is quite positive….as long as we hold firm to it.
Shows that we would rather keep him but if we have to sell him then we want a big fee.

Not sure this £50m is anything to do with the ALK model or the need to pay off debt. If we were really under that much financial pressure surely we’d be happy to take a significantly lower amount than £50m.

£50m for a centre back unproven in the Premier League and not even a full international is going to rule out a big chunk of the teams. I don’t think any club out of the top 6 or 7 have ever paid that kind of fee for a centre back.

We are not under pressure to sell but that's the business model of the club. You can't create surplus without player trading.

Other wise you are p*ssing away millions in debt repayments, carrying £230 million of creditors and gambling on staying in the PL forever.

ALK can make a fortune if they can buy for £5 - £15 million and sell for multiples of that...! And the club can get back to being relatively risk free. And still have a competitive squad in the Championship.

It's the business model of the club - if they can get it right.

[ClaretPete001]

There there Silly Billy - Nursey will be along in a minute to give you your medicine.

[Big Vinny K]

We are not under pressure to sell but that's the business model of the club. You can't create surplus without player trading.

Other wise you are p*ssing away millions in debt repayments, carrying £230 million of creditors and gambling on staying in the PL forever.

ALK can make a fortune if they can buy for £5 - £15 million and sell for multiples of that...! And the club can get back to being relatively risk free. And still have a competitive squad in the Championship.

It's the business model of the club - if they can get it right.

Yep I get that of course. Tbf it was not a too dissimilar model under Garlick.
The difference I was saying with Esteve is that putting a £50m price tag on him feels like we are trying to keep hold of him for at least another season unless an offer comes in which at £50m I believe is verging on the ridiculous (though like all burnley fans I love Esteve).

As I said if the model was just buy low and take a quick profit we’d be selling for a more realistic price closer to £30m. Not many centre backs are bought for £50m and especially ones with so little EPL or international experience.

The business model of most EPL clubs is to buy low and sell at huge profits…..probably all the clubs other than top 6 or 7.

[aggi]

The club is in a bit of a hole really. The debts are too big to sustain in the Championship and we likely as not do not have much to invest in new players. So, relegation again is a real possibility.

ALKs model is based upon bridging the gap between our revenue and that of the PL by buying and selling players. If they can sell off Esteve for £50 million (let's pretend it is true) and replace him for EUR13 million (as he originally cost) that is substantive funds to pay down debt and maintain the value of the squad at a much higher level than the Championship can afford.

The clubs model is built on selling Esteve. If we don't sell him then we have to stay in the PL for long enough to pay down debt and given we managed to increase the wage bill to £90 million last time even that is not going to generate much profit.

Point being - it's unlikely to be a football decision.

All decisions are a combination of football and finances though. Obviously different depending on the circumstances but there isn't a single club who makes solely "football decisions".

[ClaretPete001]

Yep I get that of course. Tbf it was not a too dissimilar model under Garlick.
The difference I was saying with Esteve is that putting a £50m price tag on him feels like we are trying to keep hold of him for at least another season unless an offer comes in which at £50m I believe is verging on the ridiculous (though like all burnley fans I love Esteve).

As I said if the model was just buy low and take a quick profit we’d be selling for a more realistic price closer to £30m. Not many centre backs are bought for £50m and especially ones with so little EPL or international experience.

The business model of most EPL clubs is to buy low and sell at huge profits…..probably all the clubs other than top 6 or 7.

It's not the budget in the PL that is the issue - it's the budget in the Championship. We probably wouldn't make the top 10 in the Championship in terms of organic revenue without the parachute money. Most PL clubs would have a distinct advantage in the Championship simply due to their organic commercial revenue with the obvious exceptions of Bournemouth and Brentford. Palace and Fulham do not get 30,000 plus gates but are both London clubs.

The idea is to be bale to bridge some of that gap by being better at buying and selling players. And that is the expertise that ALK came to the club looking to leverage.

The figure of £50 million is bandied around by the club but no one knows if its just PR or whatever. Any buying club will be talking to their agents and will have some idea whether that is a real figure or otherwise. So, you could argue it is a figure to put other clubs off or the exact opposite it's there to put him on the market with a figure that is a starting point which helpfully also appease the fanbase.

Who knows? It may all be just made up in an agents head or a journalists pen.

[Big Vinny K]

It's not the budget in the PL that is the issue - it's the budget in the Championship. We probably wouldn't make the top 10 in the Championship in terms of organic revenue without the parachute money. Most PL clubs would have a distinct advantage in the Championship simply due to their organic commercial revenue with the obvious exceptions of Bournemouth and Brentford. Palace and Fulham do not get 30,000 plus gates but are both London clubs.

The idea is to be bale to bridge some of that gap by being better at buying and selling players. And that is the expertise that ALK came to the club looking to leverage.

The figure of £50 million is bandied around by the club but no one knows if its just PR or whatever. Any buying club will be talking to their agents and will have some idea whether that is a real figure or otherwise. So, you could argue it is a figure to put other clubs off or the exact opposite it's there to put him on the market with a figure that is a starting point which helpfully also appease the fanbase.

Who knows? It may all be just made up in an agents head or a journalists pen.

You’re not telling me anything I don’t know already.

As for what message they are trying to send to other clubs about Esteve who knows exactly ? But I don’t think clubs like Burnley or most other clubs need to put out a message to tell the world that a player is on the market. All our players have always been and always will be “on the market”.

I’ve never been the biggest fan of ALK or the way the club was bought. However, that does not mean I am going to criticise every single thing they do or try and anchor it back to the buyout or our debt burden. I understand well enough the backdrop and confines within which the club are working now (as much as any of us do).

Taking the point of this thread in isolation and assuming it’s true I just think it’s good if the club are putting a £50m price tag on a player that we all are pretty sure will move on to bigger and better things. As is always the case we want to see our best players play for the club as long as possible - if this gives us a small chance of seeing Esteve pull on a burnley shirt for a bit longer then that’s good by me.

[kaptin1]

You can take these headline valuations with a pinch of salt as a lot will depend on deal structure and who the buying club is. For example, it may be just as attractive to sell for £35m paid up front versus £50m spread over five years. Time value of money and credit risk of the buyer both need to be considered when arriving at a headline price (I suspect we've learned a bit about credit risk from the Vitinho transfer...).

[ClaretPete001]

You’re not telling me anything I don’t know already.

As for what message they are trying to send to other clubs about Esteve who knows exactly ? But I don’t think clubs like Burnley or most other clubs need to put out a message to tell the world that a player is on the market. All our players have always been and always will be “on the market”.

I’ve never been the biggest fan of ALK or the way the club was bought. However, that does not mean I am going to criticise every single thing they do or try and anchor it back to the buyout or our debt burden. I understand well enough the backdrop and confines within which the club are working now (as much as any of us do).

Taking the point of this thread in isolation and assuming it’s true I just think it’s good if the club are putting a £50m price tag on a player that we all are pretty sure will move on to bigger and better things. As is always the case we want to see our best players play for the club as long as possible - if this gives us a small chance of seeing Esteve pull on a burnley shirt for a bit longer then that’s good by me.

As far as I can tell we don't know whether the club has put a £50 million price tag on him and if they have why.

What is more interesting to me is wondering how the club's business model viewing player as commodities shapes up this summer.

All clubs have a financial model and will buy and look to sell to make money. The difference here is that Burnley need to do it to make the club into a more valuable investment but also give it long term stability. So, the rumours about Esteve are interesting to me from that perspective.

The nature of the ownership, the way they bought the club and how they intend to grow it - is pretty unique in the PL. Conjecturing on rumours - less so.

[Tall Paul]

I'd love a league where you get to field as many players as you like. Just as long as you're within budget

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I'm sure the vast majority of our supporters are fine with the club putting a £50m on Esteve, if true. There is obviously a difference between this type of valuation and what a player's fee would actually be, if sold. Supporters tend to discuss the amount we would realistically get if a sale is confirmed.

Some fans laugh at the idea of getting big money for anyone a lot of the time

I've said a little while ago we would start seeing more players sold for £30 million plus over due course, which was mocked by some of the more smaller minded fans

[dsr]

Some fans laugh at the idea of getting big money for anyone a lot of the time

I've said a little while ago we would start seeing more players sold for £30 million plus over due course, which was mocked by some of the more smaller minded fans

No, it was disagreed with by fans who disagreed with you. You don't want to go through life expecting your every opinion to be correct and assuming those who disagree are small minded.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

No, it was disagreed with by fans who disagreed with you. You don't want to go through life expecting your every opinion to be correct and assuming those who disagree are small minded.

Fans who don't think we can get big money for players are small minded
Fans who don't expect the club to become a regular seller of players for big money are small minced

It isn't about disagreeing with me, it's about being close/small minded to the fact the club are going to be buying cheap and selling big moving forwards

Hope that helps clear it up

[Shaggy]

We could buy 100 Laurents with that.

100 Laurents vs 1 Estève. Anyone done the simulation yet?

[warksclaret]

100 Laurents vs 1 Estève. Anyone done the simulation yet?

You're starting to sound like the marketing men at Dacia cars

[dsr]

Fans who don't think we can get big money for players are small minded
Fans who don't expect the club to become a regular seller of players for big money are small minced

It isn't about disagreeing with me, it's about being close/small minded to the fact the club are going to be buying cheap and selling big moving forwards

Hope that helps clear it up

OK. But in normal English usage, "small minded" is an insult. It doesn't mean the same as "thinking small".

[beeholeclaret]

100 Laurents vs 1 Estève. Anyone done the simulation yet?

That wouldn’t work well because 89 Laurents would be knocking on the managers door because they’re unhappy at being on the bench ? . Happen?

[Jakubclaret]

I'm sure the vast majority of our supporters are fine with the club putting a £50m on Esteve, if true. There is obviously a difference between this type of valuation and what a player's fee would actually be, if sold. Supporters tend to discuss the amount we would realistically get if a sale is confirmed.

More often than not you end up with pie in the sky valuations that don't mirror the reality of the marketplace. It wasn't so long ago £30m was being discussed regarding koleosho on the back of a couple of games. Some of us robustly tend to overinflate & sensible people stand back from the nonsense & let the proceedings play out armed with different knowledge.

[Guller Bull]

Fans who don't expect the club to become a regular seller of players for big money are small minced

That's a bit harsh