Pace/ALK set to buy Espanyol?

[claretonthecoast1882]

Comments like these and referring to fans who dare hold opposing views to yours as being from Royston Vasey really aren’t helpful. Yes, there are some posters who seem to find a negative in everything this ownership group does, and equally there are those who find a positive in everything it does. I can’t really distinguish between one set being good and the other being bad.

Then there are those who judge situations as they see them, I would imagine that is the vast majority of Burnley fans and I include myself in that. And the owners of our club potentially buying a La Liga club absolutely should be questioned and if people feel it would be detrimental to our club, or indeed to the spirit of the game, then they should absolutely have the right to voice those concerns without people like you condescending their views.

What are your views on this news? Do you have any or would you rather just snipe from the sidelines as usual?

At this moment in time I have no view on it.

For multi club ownership, in an ideal world it would be 1 club per owner or group of owners but like anything else in the world people would find way around it. If people think that we shouldn't do something perfectly legal while everyone else you are competing against does and they all gain an advantage but our morality stops us then it is a pretty dumb approach. Sad but true. I am sure if we ended up with an 18 yr wonderkid with millions but would have been unable to sign him without a European clubs assistance even them against it would be able to swallow it.

It's a bit like the complaints against betting sponsorship, people moan about it but are happy to gamble or happy to pay to attend games in a league sponsored by a betting company.

If you can tell me how much it is costing, the share of Espanyol being purchased and how it is being funded then it would be easier. Without any facts I find it hard to form an opinion of something when all we know is our owners are looking at buying a part of another club. Do I think we are going to be a feeder club (like some seem to fear) for a mid table side in Spain - No.

I couldn't care less what someone else's opinion is we are all entitled to have one, if me describing someone who seeks to hammer the owners non stop regardless of what they do in anyway bothers someone again that is there issue. It is a bit like if a racist said to you " I don't like being called a racist what is the best way to not be called a racist" you I imagine would reply "try not being racist"

If me pointing out someone acting like a resident from Royston Vasey is classed as sniping then fair enough, interesting how it is perfectly fine to snipe at the owners which was my original. Comes across a bit "do as I say not as I do" but we are all different luckily for us all.

[123EasyasBFC]

AP is nothing like the Glazers. That’s laughable.

By buying another European club, they are helping BFC. The Premier League is THE world league, it’s the biggest and best.

(It is over inflated and will need to develop into the European league or pop)

BFC are at the top table, we need to stay there. To do so we need to be able to develop talent internationally, to do that we need to have a European club that can support that, potentially even a USA based club too.

It’s good for our player development, it’s good for our player recruitment, it provides a pathway for young technical players to develop in a less physical and more technically demanding league.

It’s on the doorstep of the world’s best academy, and more than a few that won’t make it at Barca will land there.

I am all for it and all for AP being the chairman for a long time.

Have to say this is a very positive and great post. Not everyone agrees with the ownership for their own reasons and I don’t like the debut but Alan and the ownership aren’t stupid and will always want to make sure Burnley is doing as well as it can do

[ClaretPete001]

At this moment in time I have no view on it.

For multi club ownership, in an ideal world it would be 1 club per owner or group of owners but like anything else in the world people would find way around it. If people think that we shouldn't do something perfectly legal while everyone else you are competing against does and they all gain an advantage but our morality stops us then it is a pretty dumb approach. Sad but true. I am sure if we ended up with an 18 yr wonderkid with millions but would have been unable to sign him without a European clubs assistance even them against it would be able to swallow it.

It's a bit like the complaints against betting sponsorship, people moan about it but are happy to gamble or happy to pay to attend games in a league sponsored by a betting company.

If you can tell me how much it is costing, the share of Espanyol being purchased and how it is being funded then it would be easier. Without any facts I find it hard to form an opinion of something when all we know is our owners are looking at buying a part of another club. Do I think we are going to be a feeder club (like some seem to fear) for a mid table side in Spain - No.

I couldn't care less what someone else's opinion is we are all entitled to have one, if me describing someone who seeks to hammer the owners non stop regardless of what they do in anyway bothers someone again that is there issue. It is a bit like if a racist said to you " I don't like being called a racist what is the best way to not be called a racist" you I imagine would reply "try not being racist"

If me pointing out someone acting like a resident from Royston Vasey is classed as sniping then fair enough, interesting how it is perfectly fine to snipe at the owners which was my original. Comes across a bit "do as I say not as I do" but we are all different luckily for us all.

If you lost the puerile excuses for your sniping you could have a tidy 3 paragraph post we could all read and enjoy.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Wonder if, as part of the new commercial partnership, they rename them, at least in marketing to X-panyol?

[The Shire Claret]

A hell of a lot of doom and gloomers on this post ... it really can be hard reading , especially why you see people with a glass half full getting pelters...

i'm not a fan of multi ownership but some of the things i've read is laughable against Pace's intentions and how screwed our club is....

lets see how it plays out

[Elizabeth]

Comments like these and referring to fans who dare hold opposing views to yours as being from Royston Vasey really aren’t helpful. Yes, there are some posters who seem to find a negative in everything this ownership group does, and equally there are those who find a positive in everything it does. I can’t really distinguish between one set being good and the other being bad.

Then there are those who judge situations as they see them, I would imagine that is the vast majority of Burnley fans and I include myself in that. And the owners of our club potentially buying a La Liga club absolutely should be questioned and if people feel it would be detrimental to our club, or indeed to the spirit of the game, then they should absolutely have the right to voice those concerns without people like you condescending their views.

What are your views on this news? Do you have any or would you rather just snipe from the sidelines as usual?

I think this is a good viewpoint.

I try to forget how our club was acquired, even though I feel uncomfortable about it, because I don't think the goal to compete with the madness of the PL is achievable for our club. I believe it will cost us heavily at some stage over the next few years. I'm also aware that this may be because of my age and what I have been used to for 60+ years. If people want to feel different that's fine.

I find Alan Pace agreeable but because I think there is prejudice in all of us I absolutely question this new major move.

[Boss Hogg]

AP is nothing like the Glazers. That’s laughable.

By buying another European club, they are helping BFC. The Premier League is THE world league, it’s the biggest and best.

(It is over inflated and will need to develop into the European league or pop)

BFC are at the top table, we need to stay there. To do so we need to be able to develop talent internationally, to do that we need to have a European club that can support that, potentially even a USA based club too.

It’s good for our player development, it’s good for our player recruitment, it provides a pathway for young technical players to develop in a less physical and more technically demanding league.

It’s on the doorstep of the world’s best academy, and more than a few that won’t make it at Barca will land there.

I am all for it and all for AP being the chairman for a long time.

Think I’m more aligned with this. At some point you have to move with the times. The one club ownership and being owned by a local business man model is probably history. Our global exposure has improved substantially since ALK took over.

[CoolClaret]

Think I’m more aligned with this. At some point you have to move with the times. The one club ownership and being owned by a local business man model is probably history. Our global exposure has improved substantially since ALK took over.

You may have to 'move with the times', but have you got any data for your last point?

The best thing for 'our global exposure' is by beating big teams in the biggest league in the world and staying up for consecutive seasons.

I keep hearing all this about dragging the club forward (some of it I agree with) but if they have, then why has it not resulted in more lucrative sponsorship deals and more incoming revenue in comparison with our peak years under MG?

Beating United 2-0 at Old Trafford in the PL will have done far, far more for our global exposure than any daft transfer reveal video or what have you (though they have their place as well!)

[Clive 1960]

Hi Clive,

Hope you’re doing well out there. Best wishes.

John

Hi John, all well hope you are to . I emailed you..

[Big Vinny K]

Difficult to have a firm views either way at this stage with the lack of detail.
Espanyol are a famous old club but the inequality of wealth and revenues between the top 2 or 3 teams in Spain and the rest of the clubs is massive. The TV distribution deal is very different to ours.

As a general principle I’m not a great fan of feeder clubs or multi ownership. I think it devalues your club to be talked about in this way and not sure how many burnley fans would like it if we became someone else’s feeder club.

Fully aware football ownership has changed massively in the last couple or decades in particular. Doesn’t mean you have to be a fan of it or that you are a dinosaur if you are not.

[Cooclaret]

You may have to 'move with the times', but have you got any data for your last point?

The best thing for 'our global exposure' is by beating big teams in the biggest league in the world and staying up for consecutive seasons.

I keep hearing all this about dragging the club forward (some of it I agree with) but if they have, then why has it not resulted in more lucrative sponsorship deals and more incoming revenue in comparison with our peak years under MG?

Beating United 2-0 at Old Trafford in the PL will have done far, far more for our global exposure than any daft transfer reveal video or what have you (though they have their place as well!)

I couldn’t disagree more…

The market is changing, the image of a footballer has taken a huge hit. Moneys too much, too many scandals, diva behaviour…

Kids (the next generation of fans) are accessing the world in a way that you and I cannot comprehend. A viral video has arguably more reach and more impact than a 4:45pm result.

The world is moving towards a smaller ‘tribal’ subscription model in which individuals define themselves by their tribe.

I’m Apple you’re Samsung

I am Co-pilot you’re Meta

And whilst football is the birth of the ‘tribe’ mentality in popular culture, it’s not as we imagine. Youngsters will start to follow individuals not clubs. The rise of the personal brand.

Team Rashford vs Manchester United

Baller leagues huge success is an example. Dude Perfect was our first foray into this world, we’re learning.

Away from that, as I have laboured previously, a link up with a team in a different league has undoubtedly improved our brand and offer.

Injuries aside, we all thought Richardson would be the next academy star. Imagine his career progression if he was able to move academies to a more technically based system?

My lads played the BFC academy regularly for their academies (they’re going to be pro bike, just haven’t realised it yet) last season at two different age groups. We are imo looking at athletes not technical players currently.

You need both to take that next step in the Premier League.

[ClaretAndJew]

I couldn’t disagree more…

The market is changing, the image of a footballer has taken a huge hit. Moneys too much, too many scandals, diva behaviour…

Kids (the next generation of fans) are accessing the world in a way that you and I cannot comprehend. A viral video has arguably more reach and more impact than a 4:45pm result.

The world is moving towards a smaller ‘tribal’ subscription model in which individuals define themselves by their tribe.

I’m Apple you’re Samsung

I am Co-pilot you’re Meta

And whilst football is the birth of the ‘tribe’ mentality in popular culture, it’s not as we imagine. Youngsters will start to follow individuals not clubs. The rise of the personal brand.

Team Rashford vs Manchester United

Baller leagues huge success is an example. Dude Perfect was our first foray into this world, we’re learning.

Away from that, as I have laboured previously, a link up with a team in a different league has undoubtedly improved our brand and offer.

Injuries aside, we all thought Richardson would be the next academy star. Imagine his career progression if he was able to move academies to a more technical based system?

My lads played the BFC academy regularly for their academies (they’re going to be pro bike, just haven’t realised it yet) last season at two different age groups. We are imo looking at athletes not technical players currently.

You need both to take that next step in the Premier League.

Are you disagreeing with yourself?

[Cooclaret]

Are you disagreeing with yourself?

There’s an L missing in one.

[CoolClaret]

I couldn’t disagree more…

The market is changing, the image of a footballer has taken a huge hit. Moneys too much, too many scandals, diva behaviour…

Kids (the next generation of fans) are accessing the world in a way that you and I cannot comprehend. A viral video has arguably more reach and more impact than a 4:45pm result.

The world is moving towards a smaller ‘tribal’ subscription model in which individuals define themselves by their tribe.

I’m Apple you’re Samsung

I am Co-pilot you’re Meta

And whilst football is the birth of the ‘tribe’ mentality in popular culture, it’s not as we imagine. Youngsters will start to follow individuals not clubs. The rise of the personal brand.

Team Rashford vs Manchester United

Baller leagues huge success is an example. Dude Perfect was our first foray into this world, we’re learning.

Away from that, as I have laboured previously, a link up with a team in a different league has undoubtedly improved our brand and offer.

Injuries aside, we all thought Richardson would be the next academy star. Imagine his career progression if he was able to move academies to a more technically based system?

My lads played the BFC academy regularly for their academies (they’re going to be pro bike, just haven’t realised it yet) last season at two different age groups. We are imo looking at athletes not technical players currently.

You need both to take that next step in the Premier League.

What is it that you're specifically disagreeing with?

Youngsters have been following individuals over clubs for a long time, although in the past that would usually translate into permanent fans of the team (George Best mania, for example). Beckham is probably the first example I can think of who had fans follow his career and support whichever teams he was playing for, followed by players such as Ronaldo/Messi... But what does that have to do with the current state of Burnley FC

For the rest of your points; ok great, I'll pose the same question to you... why hasn't any of that resulted in more lucrative sponsorship deals and more incoming revenue in comparison with our peak years under MG?

What will have done more for PSG gaining long-term dedicated fans worldwide - having Messi/Neymar etc, or absolutely smashing Inter in the UCL final?

Results/success are still paramount - the rest is secondary.

[Cooclaret]

What is it that you're specifically disagreeing with?

Youngsters have been following individuals over clubs for a long time, although in the past that would usually translate into permanent fans of the team (George Best mania, for example). Beckham is probably the first example I can think of who had fans follow his career and support whichever teams he was playing for, followed by players such as Ronaldo/Messi... But what does that have to do with the current state of Burnley FC

For the rest of your points; ok great, I'll pose the same question to you... why hasn't any of that resulted in more lucrative sponsorship deals and more incoming revenue in comparison with our peak years under MG?

What will have done more for PSG gaining long-term dedicated fans worldwide - having Messi/Neymar etc, or absolutely smashing Inter in the UCL final?

Results/success are still paramount - the rest is secondary.

I am disagreeing with you around two aspects;

One, you have no idea what our current sponsorship intake is, neither do I. Do you know the ‘peak’ income under MG? Or is it anecdotal?

Two, the brand is always more important than the results. It’s a business for the majority of teams. Manchester United have stomached their demise due to the commercial side sustaining if not growing its market share.

I take that for BFC results impact us more as we have a greater risk to drop from the top table.

Lastly and as a side point, your example of GB and DB show that you (and I) aren’t the target audience anymore. We’re locked into the funding stream, we’re not leaving now.

Kids will follow big stars more than big results. We’re are wired the opposite.

[CoolClaret]

I am disagreeing with you around two aspects;

One, you have no idea what our current sponsorship intake is, neither do I. Do you know the ‘peak’ income under MG? Or is it anecdotal?

Two, the brand is always more important than the results. It’s a business for the majority of teams. Manchester United have stomached their demise due to the commercial side sustaining if not growing its market share.

I take that for BFC results impact us more as we have a greater risk to drop from the top table.

Lastly and as a side point, your example of GB and DB show that you (and I) aren’t the target audience anymore. We’re locked into the funding stream, we’re not leaving now.

Kids will follow big stars more than big results. We’re are wired the opposite.

No, it's not anecdotal - our shirt sponsor (forget which year specifically) around 2019 ish (may have been laba bet),far eclipses anything that we've had under ALK.

That data and data on other revenue streams is available on companies house/online. (Not doubting that ALK have done well in player sales adding to our revenue streams btw)

'Kids will follow big stars more than big results' - ok but realistically, we are never going to sign big stars unless we have continued success on the football pitch.

Results will always be paramount and the rest will always be secondary.

As for the Espanyol connection - I'm not particularly happy with that news (multi-club ownership), I'd prefer a different type of partnership, but I can appreciate and agree with points about helping player development/scouting/our talent pool.

[jdrobbo]

Hi John, all well hope you are to . I emailed you..

Hi Clive,

Thanks. I can’t see any emails. Would you mind re-sending it

jdrobbo at gmail dot com

Not sure what has happened there. Take care!

[Clive 1960]

Hi Clive,

Thanks. I can’t see any emails. Would you mind re-sending it

jdrobbo at gmail dot com

Not sure what has happened there. Take care!

Hi John, sent again on same email Jdrobbo @Gmail. com.

[jdrobbo]

Hi John, sent again on same email Jdrobbo @Gmail. com.

Received and replied

[Spindles]

I bore myself saying the same things.

We had tens of millions in the bank and now we owe lenders tens of millions. On top of the we have over £230 millions worth of Creditors and precious few debtors to speak of...! .

Commercial revenues haven't improved and nor has turnover, which is almost completely reliant on TV Broadcast revenue.

We had a squad that was capable of achieving 7th in 2107/18 and 10th a couple of seasons later.

We have gone from being the best run club in the PL with tens of millions in the bank and a squad capable of achieving 7th in the PL to one that owes tens of millions and has a squad that won't finish 7th in the PL next season.

What do you want me to say? Monday is Tuesday - Pixie dust created the Universe.

So why didn't garlick take his initial investment plus a small return in line with inflation and leave the rest in the coffers if he was such a great guy.
You want to blame someone he's the bad guy.

[Row x]

You may have to 'move with the times', but have you got any data for your last point?

The best thing for 'our global exposure' is by beating big teams in the biggest league in the world and staying up for consecutive seasons.

I keep hearing all this about dragging the club forward (some of it I agree with) but if they have, then why has it not resulted in more lucrative sponsorship deals and more incoming revenue in comparison with our peak years under MG?

Beating United 2-0 at Old Trafford in the PL will have done far, far more for our global exposure than any daft transfer reveal video or what have you (though they have their place as well!)

I'm not a big fan, but the reveal videos will have had far more views that anything connected to the old Trafford win, over the same time period

[CoolClaret]

I'm not a big fan, but the reveal videos will have had far more views that anything connected to the old Trafford win, over the same time period

In 2018/19, Man United's game averaged 68 million viewers worldwide per game, and that's just for the game, not any clips of the game or any analysis etc of the game.

Even if they did get more views, it's not just about views alone, is it?

You aren't going to get any long-term dedicated fans from daft videos - they're just the flavour of the day until they're forgotten about.

Now you could argue about Wrexham and their success in America, but that's slightly different and does support COOclaret's views about supporting individuals etc, in that instance, it is two Hollywood actors that are owers (not actually any players), but I somehow can't see Alan Pace and Stuart Hunt having the same pull... not to mention, Wrexham were the real pioneers there with that dedicated series.

I also wasn't solely talking about that one performance - my point was that time in the top flight and success in the top-flight is the easiest way to grow a club.

I'd like to see the figures on Brighton's fandom now compared to back in 2016 or whenever.

I also think that ALK should lean in a bit more to what makes Burnley unique as a marketing point, and even though I have serious concerns with the financial model/method of buyout, I can see/appreciate that they're trying to grow the club.

[Woodleyclaret]

Personally I am more concerned that Pace keeps his focus firmly onestablishing us as a mid table Premier league side and apply all his energy into clearing our debt whilst developing Burnley FC.
By all means an arrangement like we have at Dundee we're our players are loaned out to sud thier development

[Row x]

In 2018/19, Man United's game averaged 68 million viewers worldwide per game, and that's just for the game, not any clips of the game or any analysis etc of the game.

Even if they did get more views, it's not just about views alone, is it?

You aren't going to get any long-term dedicated fans from daft videos - they're just the flavour of the day until they're forgotten about.

Now you could argue about Wrexham and their success in America, but that's slightly different and does support COOclaret's views about supporting individuals etc, in that instance, it is two Hollywood actors that are owers (not actually any players), but I somehow can't see Alan Pace and Stuart Hunt having the same pull... not to mention, Wrexham were the real pioneers there with that dedicated series.

I also wasn't solely talking about that one performance - my point was that time in the top flight and success in the top-flight is the easiest way to grow a club.

I'd like to see the figures on Brighton's fandom now compared to back in 2016 or whenever.

I also think that ALK should lean in a bit more to what makes Burnley unique as a marketing point, and even though I have serious concerns with the financial model/method of buyout, I can see/appreciate that they're trying to grow the club.

Are the vast number of United fans going to watch a video of them getting beat by little old Burnley? And if they did how would that benefit Burnley?
I never watch a video, or tv showing if we've been beat.
Like I say, I'm not a fan, but I'm not the audience for the silly videos, it's the fans of JJ and dude perfect, and potentially followers on X.

[Corway]

Leveraged buyouts not allowed in Spain so where is the money coming from?

[Big Vinny K]

I am disagreeing with you around two aspects;

One, you have no idea what our current sponsorship intake is, neither do I. Do you know the ‘peak’ income under MG? Or is it anecdotal?

Two, the brand is always more important than the results. It’s a business for the majority of teams. Manchester United have stomached their demise due to the commercial side sustaining if not growing its market share.

I take that for BFC results impact us more as we have a greater risk to drop from the top table.

Lastly and as a side point, your example of GB and DB show that you (and I) aren’t the target audience anymore. We’re locked into the funding stream, we’re not leaving now.

Kids will follow big stars more than big results. We’re are wired the opposite.

It’s not anecdotal - have you not been through our financial results.
The sponsorship deal under MG at £7.5m a season was the highest in our history by a significant margin. The new owners have got nowhere near that.

All these new partnerships we seem to have under the new owners have generated no new commercial income I can see. When it boils down to it the increase in revenues we have seen have come down to some good old fashioned basics - increasing season ticket prices, increasing hospitality prices and increasing the price of food and drink.

If you can show me any other revenue lines that have increased under the new owners then feel free to point them out.

As for your comments on Manchester United again why don’t you take a look at their accounts. They have 15.000 hospitality tickets sold every home game. They make more from this revenue line alone than we do from our PL television money…..they’ve sold this many hospitality tickets for years now. The worlds we live in as clubs are so far apart it’s not worth mentioning us in the same breath.

You can argue United’s commercial success is about their brand - but a much more simpler explanation is that they just have a hell of a lot of fans willing to pay through the nose to watch them however crap they may be performing.

[Woodleyclaret]

It will make our winnable games over Manure next season all the sweeter when we turn them over.Lets hope for an early season game before they pot the manager and replace him with someone who knows how to get his misfits winning again.

[NewClaret]

It’s not anecdotal - have you not been through our financial results.
The sponsorship deal under MG at £7.5m a season was the highest in our history by a significant margin. The new owners have got nowhere near that.

Is that right? I was told that the W88 deal was £9m and the highest in our history. Did the accounts not back that up?

[Big Vinny K]

Is that right? I was told that the W88 deal was £9m and the highest in our history. Did the accounts not back that up?

Pretty sure the 3 year contract at £7.5m a season under MG was the biggest in our history.

[NewClaret]

Done dealio according to reports. €180m.

[NewClaret]

The sale of Espanyol will be closed in the coming days

- Alan Pace, owner of Burnley, will predictably take most of the shares.

The information that 'La Grada' advanced a few days ago about the possible sale of RCD Espanyol is about to become a reality. As Mundo Deportivo has learned, this operation will be closed in the near future and the owner of Burnley, the American Alan Pace, will apparently have the majority of shares of the blue and white club.

Pace, 56 years old and owner of the investment fund ALK Capital, has been showing his interest in landing in Spanish football and more specifically in the Perica entity for months, presenting a formal offer that could already be accepted. Some sources have spoken of 180 million euros.

The key date will be the Espanyol Shareholders' Meeting, which will be held next Friday, June 27 from 12:00 in Cornellà, and where the current owner, Chen Yansheng, will present a capital increase of 38 million euros.

'La Grada' explained at the time that Pace's interest in Espanyol is part of a global growth strategy and that both he and his team requested detailed reports on the economic, institutional and sporting situation of the Catalan entity, which this year turns 125 years old. Once the subject has been studied, the offer that was put on the table has been accepted.

Experienced businessman

Pace has experience on Wall Street, having worked as managing director of Lehman Brothers and holding a senior position at Citigroup. He was also interim president of the Real Salt Lake City of the MLS, currently led by John Kimball.

Throughout this process, the blue and white club has been hermetic and cautious, without wanting to evaluate this possible sale.

It is not the first time that there has been talk of a possible change of hands of the Spanish. Not so long ago, former perico player Martin Braithwaite came to the fore as a possible investor. Also, during the month of last April, a Hispanic-American holding company appeared as a possible buyer. It was the company Five Eleven Capital, which would have started contacts then to explore the possibility of taking over the club. Their visible heads were Martin Ink, CEO and founder, and Andrés Tortarolo, revenue manager.

However, Alan Pace's option is the one that has finally prospered and everything indicates that Chen Yanseng will stop being the majority shareholder of a club he reached in 2016, when he bought the shares of Daniel Sánchez Llibre, Ramón Condal.

https://www.mundodeportivo.com/futbol/r ... -dias.html

[ollieclarets8]

Going off some of the posters on here this now means we're knackered?

[NottsClaret]

I’m not Team Pace or Team Garlick or whoever. They’ve all done some things well, and others that worried me at the time. But as long as we keep bouncing back to the Prem on the first go, we can keep kicking the can down the road.

Everyone knows we’re screwed as soon as that doesn’t come off, but that’s at least 2 years away now so may as well enjoy it. As for multi club ownership.. we were sold to a US investor via a heavily leveraged buyout, too late to start fretting about that now.

Find yourself a good local non league club for a bit of palette cleansing, wholesome sport and just enjoy the ludicrous financial circus Burnley are a part of for what it is.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Given how involved Alan gets in our decision making I would be concerned about diluting that focus, especially during a transfer window.

But we will see. It isn’t uncommon for PL owners to have multiple clubs. It may yet have benefits to us, not just to them as investors.

[Steddyman]

Given how involved Alan gets in our decision making I would be concerned about diluting that focus, especially during a transfer window.

But we will see. It isn’t uncommon for PL owners to have multiple clubs. It may yet have benefits to us, not just to them as investors.

This is my only concern. He is a workaholic with regards to Burnley and it gets most of his focus. Starting a new venture like this will need similar levels of focus.

[NewClaret]

This is my only concern. He is a workaholic with regards to Burnley and it gets most of his focus. Starting a new venture like this will need similar levels of focus.

Just a few thoughts to maybe calm the nerves…

Alan now has a pretty strong team in place that I assume he trusts. A new CEO joining on the commercial side, Matt Williams as COO, a steady hand in Scott leading the first team, Chris Casper over the Academy and an experienced appointment today for the women’s team.

He might feel with that team in place he’s well placed to focus some of his time elsewhere. And letting that group get on with their jobs might also be a good thing.

I expect he’ll trust them so much that in the longer term they’ll all get bigger roles in the enlarged group.

[Clovius Boofus]

wholesome sport and just enjoy the ludicrous financial circus Burnley are a part of for what it is.

This. I try not to worry about things I have no control over. It's a waste of time and energy.

[Goalkeeper]

If we are relegated next season, which will be the feeder club?

[ClaretTony]

Just a few thoughts to maybe calm the nerves…

Alan now has a pretty strong team in place that I assume he trusts. A new CEO joining on the commercial side, Matt Williams as COO, a steady hand in Scott leading the first team, Chris Casper over the Academy and an experienced appointment today for the women’s team.

He might feel with that team in place he’s well placed to focus some of his time elsewhere. And letting that group get on with their jobs might also be a good thing.

I expect he’ll trust them so much that in the longer term they’ll all get bigger roles in the enlarged group.

Good grief

[Row x]

Good grief

Which bit do you disagree with Tony?

The personnel mentions all seem very capable to me

[NewClaret]

Good grief

Care to elaborate on what you disagree with, Tony?

My point was that he has now recruited a very strong team and therefore might feel comfortable spending less time on the day to day running of the club. We should take some comfort in the team he’s recruited too.

In wider business Chairmen don’t get so involved in the running of the business in the way Alan does Burnley, rather recruiting a team of experts to do it for them, so I’m not sure anything I said was controversial.

[ClaretTony]

Care to elaborate on what you disagree with, Tony?

My point was that he has now recruited a very strong team and therefore might feel comfortable spending less time on the day to day running of the club. We should take some comfort in the team he’s recruited too.

In wider business Chairmen don’t get so involved in the running of the business in the way Alan does Burnley, rather recruiting a team of experts to do it for them, so I’m not sure anything I said was controversial.

Would need a complete change from the chairman for that to happen. Can you see that?

[NewClaret]

Which bit do you disagree with Tony?

The personnel mentions all seem very capable to me

Didn’t think raising the prospect of Alan leaving the very experienced team of football people that he has recruited to do their jobs would be a particularly controversial.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Just a few thoughts to maybe calm the nerves…

Alan now has a pretty strong team in place that I assume he trusts. A new CEO joining on the commercial side, Matt Williams as COO, a steady hand in Scott leading the first team, Chris Casper over the Academy and an experienced appointment today for the women’s team.

He might feel with that team in place he’s well placed to focus some of his time elsewhere. And letting that group get on with their jobs might also be a good thing.

I expect he’ll trust them so much that in the longer term they’ll all get bigger roles in the enlarged group.

I have no problems with any of those individuals.

But the owner is a different thing, certain decisions cannot be made by underlings, even a CEO, and if the owner isn’t fully sighted and / or focused, or maybe has split loyalties, it can lead to suboptimal outcomes.

We will see. Could help. Could hinder. Very much depends. But what it does do, unequivocally, is add risk.

[NewClaret]

Would need a complete change from the chairman for that to happen. Can you see that?

If he’s always had plans to expand the group (seems he has), he’d always have been expecting to focus his attentions elsewhere at some point.

I doubt our more recent strengthening is anything more than a fortunate coincidence really, but a good one for Burnley because he now has a solid team to focus on Burnley while he diverts his attentions elsewhere. I expect he’ll likely want to replicate the things he feels he’s done well at Burnley at Espanyol. And personally I’m fine, maybe more comfortable to be honest, with him leaving the day-to-day running in their hands.

I expect he’ll want to run some of what he might call “group” operations from Burnley though, particularly recruitment.

[NewClaret]

I have no problems with any of those individuals.

But the owner is a different thing, certain decisions cannot be made by underlings, even a CEO, and if the owner isn’t fully sighted and / or focused, or maybe has split loyalties, it can lead to suboptimal outcomes.

We will see. Could help. Could hinder. Very much depends. But what it does do, unequivocally, is add risk.

Having moved his family here, I really don’t think that Alan is going to become uncontactable to the senior team at Burnley to the point it hinders decision making.

I agree with your risk point. Noting that reward is very rarely achieved without risk.

[123EasyasBFC]

Threads like this are were some posters, especially Tony will never ever have a balanced view on the ownership.

I think you can certainly question a lot of things the ownership have done and think ‘why are they doing this and that.’ But then there’s times were you can cut them some slack.

Newclaret came up with a simple potential scenario about the good staff the ownership look to of brought in and gets responded to with ‘good grief’ and nothing backhanded dig at the owner

[Since62]

I had some concerns when ALK took over but it seems to be working out alright. I’m sure there will be risks as well as potential benefits to this but the business element is beyond my understanding so I’m just interested to see what happens and if it goes ahead how Espanyol perform.
The world moves on….

[Goliath]

The worries about ALK ate largely around what happens if we didn't go back up first or even second time of asking. We suddenly have a load of debt with ever reducing revenues. It would be a recipe for disaster.

[ClaretTony]

Threads like this are were some posters, especially Tony will never ever have a balanced view on the ownership.

I think you can certainly question a lot of things the ownership have done and think ‘why are they doing this and that.’ But then there’s times were you can cut them some slack.

Newclaret came up with a simple potential scenario about the good staff the ownership look to of brought in and gets responded to with ‘good grief’ and nothing backhanded dig at the owner

Don’t bring me into this. I just have strong views on multi-club ownership.