Dyche to Leicester ?

[CyrilEbokiPoh]

It's funny and sad reading that thread.
13 games into a season after the squad was thrown into turmoil after 2 or 3 games and the entitled fans were out aplenty.

Modern fans. Ridiculous

[ClaretPete001]

Dyche’s last season at the club must have been a nightmare. The club hadn’t invested for a couple of seasons and we had a group of old Pros who were not going to be offered new contracts hanging around the dressing room.

ALK had not invested nearly enough in new players and we had host of senior players in their 30s most notably the influential Cork and Westwood.

Chris Wood was sold at Christmas and we signed someone who looked from the first minute completely out of his depth.

Senior pros like Ben Mee hardly covered themselves in glory at the end or in subsequent comments and yet we fought to the last game of the season.

On the other hand, at Everton he really did seem to run out of steam after doing a good job for one and a half seasons.

[Jakubclaret]

Dyche’s last season at the club must have been a nightmare. The club hadn’t invested for a couple of seasons and we had a group of old Pros who were not going to be offered new contracts hanging around the dressing room.

ALK had not invested nearly enough in new players and we had host of senior players in their 30s most notably the influential Cork and Westwood.

Chris Wood was sold at Christmas and we signed someone who looked from the first minute completely out of his depth.

Senior pros like Ben Mee hardly covered themselves in glory at the end or in subsequent comments and yet we fought to the last game of the season.

On the other hand, at Everton he really did seem to run out of steam after doing a good job for one and a half seasons.

"We signed someone who looked from the first minute out of his depth" couldn't agree more. I lost count of the posters waxing lyrical about WW & how it was such a great deal. It leads me to lack confidence in some posters player judgements there's absolutely no credibility in that field. There's convincing yourself something is good & something can work when the facts are glaringly obviously pointing in a different direction.

[bumba]

"We signed someone who looked from the first minute out of his depth" couldn't agree more. I lost count of the posters waxing lyrical about WW & how it was such a great deal. It leads me to lack confidence in some posters player judgements there's absolutely no credibility in that field. There's convincing yourself something is good & something can work when the facts are glaringly obviously pointing in a different direction.

The same WW that went on to play for Man Utd, one of the biggest clubs in Turkey and nearly won the league with the biggest club in Holland since leaving us?

[ClaretPete001]

The same WW that went on to play for Man Utd, one of the biggest clubs in Turkey and nearly won the league with the biggest club in Holland since leaving us?

He scored 2 goals in nigh on 40 PL games.

[Jakubclaret]

The same WW that went on to play for Man Utd, one of the biggest clubs in Turkey and nearly won the league with the biggest club in Holland since leaving us?

I don't give a monkeys what he's done or doing elsewhere he did sod all really for us.

[bumba]

I don't give a monkeys what he's done or doing elsewhere he did sod all really for us.

Did many players do anything for us that season?
You cannot argue with the facts about his career the fact it didn't work at Burnley doesn't make him a bad player.
You was quite clearly calling him a bad player which is false.

[Jakubclaret]

Did many players do anything for us that season?
You cannot argue with the facts about his career the fact it didn't work at Burnley doesn't make him a bad player.
You was quite clearly calling him a bad player which is false.

I'm saying certain posters had (well founded) concerns that replacing an out & out goalscorer (comfort zone or not) with a guy who hadn't kicked a ball in the english leagues wasn't a good idea & so it proved. It's not even debatable it was a disaster of a signing in every shape & form.

[jlup1980]

WW was outstanding versus Man Utd at the Turf. He ran his socks off and looked every part a good signing. We played to his strengths that night, but it soon became evident that Dyche had signed WW for the same reasons he signed Peter Crouch a couple of years prior. He was a head on a stick.

There's absolutely no doubting his attitude problems. WW has a cloud following him everywhere he goes. However, he wasn't utilised fully in his time with us. It's easy to write him off as a bad egg, but Bumba is also correct to point out that he's done pretty well in Turkey, Germany, and Holland.

[Jakubclaret]

Did many players do anything for us that season?
You cannot argue with the facts about his career the fact it didn't work at Burnley doesn't make him a bad player.
You was quite clearly calling him a bad player which is false.

He isn't a bad player far from it he's an international but is he what we needed then. Did the experiment work out because effectively you are asking somebody to move countries & play in a different league & hit the ground running which we needed back then it's hard to get away from experimental.

[ClaretPete001]

WW was outstanding versus Man Utd at the Turf. He ran his socks off and looked every part a good signing. We played to his strengths that night, but it soon became evident that Dyche had signed WW for the same reasons he signed Peter Crouch a couple of years prior. He was a head on a stick.

There's absolutely no doubting his attitude problems. WW has a cloud following him everywhere he goes. However, he wasn't utilised fully in his time with us. It's easy to write him off as a bad egg, but Bumba is also correct to point out that he's done pretty well in Turkey, Germany, and Holland.

He would have done well in the Championship but was not good enough to play the number 10 role, he seemed to prefer, in the PL. Brownhill scored a hatful in the Championship and probably would in Turkey, Belgium or Holland but I don’t think anyone believes he would in the PL.

The much maligned Chris Wood scored 1 in 3 over 4 seasons in the PL for us. And of course 20 for Forest last season.

[bumba]

I'm saying certain posters had (well founded) concerns that replacing an out & out goalscorer (comfort zone or not) with a guy who hadn't kicked a ball in the english leagues wasn't a good idea & so it proved. It's not even debatable it was a disaster of a signing in every shape & form.

Absolutely it didn't work out but I don't blame it all on WW for that either, everybody was excited and rightly so his goalscoring record before joining Burnley as one of the best in Europe and we all thought Dyche would get the best out of him but he didn't have a clue how to do so.
If we was to sign Gyokeres now everyone would be excited but there's zero evidence to suggest he'd be capable of doing it for Burnley in the premier league, all these signings are gambles unfortunately WW didn't pay off but doesn't mean posters can't judge a player because his record speaks for its self

[Jakubclaret]

He would have done well in the Championship but was not good enough to play the number 10 role, he seemed to prefer, in the PL. Brownhill scored a hatful in the Championship and probably would in Turkey, Belgium or Holland but I don’t think anyone believes he would in the PL.

The much maligned Chris Wood scored 1 in 3 over 4 seasons in the PL for us. And of course 20 for Forest last season.

Chalk & cheese. It's absolute insanity to think our fortunes were going to change with that replacement & so it proved.

[claretonthecoast1882]

It is a shame that the club don't have hindsight when doing transfers, it would make it a lot easier for all clubs if they did.

Weghorst was signed on deadline day after 3 good seasons in the Bundesliga by a side that had won 1 in 18 and had 12 points. I don't imagine the list of international strikers wanting to join us was that long in that scenario. Chris Wood had featured in 17 of those 18 and scored 3 goals, Weghorst got 2 in 20.

Facts pale into insignificance though when you have hindsight.

[ClaretPete001]

It is a shame that the club don't have hindsight when doing transfers, it would make it a lot easier for all clubs if they did.

Weghorst was signed on deadline day after 3 good seasons in the Bundesliga by a side that had won 1 in 18 and had 12 points. I don't imagine the list of international strikers wanting to join us was that long in that scenario. Chris Wood had featured in 17 of those 18 and scored 3 goals, Weghorst got 2 in 20.

Facts pale into insignificance though when you have hindsight.

Cherry picking facts doesn’t really help much. Chris Wood is a quality Centre Forward who has a good record in the PL over an extended period. WW scored 2 in their 40. He couldn’t score at all for United.

What kind of facts compare WW with Chris Wood and consider them to be of the same quality? WW wanted to play a number 10 like role but wasn’t quick enough or technically good enough in the PL

Dyche lost a 1 in 3 CF at Christmas and got and got a 6-6 inch false number 9 as a replacement. It was a desperation buy and just added to the malaise of Dyche’s final season.

[Jakubclaret]

It is a shame that the club don't have hindsight when doing transfers, it would make it a lot easier for all clubs if they did.

Weghorst was signed on deadline day after 3 good seasons in the Bundesliga by a side that had won 1 in 18 and had 12 points. I don't imagine the list of international strikers wanting to join us was that long in that scenario. Chris Wood had featured in 17 of those 18 and scored 3 goals, Weghorst got 2 in 20.

Facts pale into insignificance though when you have hindsight.

Clubs might not be gifted with hindsight but prior research enables hindsight. When it emerged the first signs of trouble with WW as I recall a odd poster or 2 did some digging & it also emerged that some VFL Wolfsburg fans weren't sorry to see WW leave. It's like a broken jigsaw but when you start to put some of pieces together you are left with a preventable picture.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Clubs might not be gifted with hindsight but prior research enables hindsight. When it emerged the first signs of trouble with WW as I recall a odd poster or 2 did some digging & it also emerged that some VFL Wolfsburg fans weren't sorry to see WW leave. It's like a broken jigsaw but when you start to put some of pieces together you are left with a preventable picture.

Seen as you are claiming to have this hindsight can you provide a verdict on Hartman from Feyenord. Just a bit of digging is needed

I will also ask you regarding every other signing.

[aggi]

Cherry picking facts doesn’t really help much. Chris Wood is a quality Centre Forward who has a good record in the PL over an extended period. WW scored 2 in their 40. He couldn’t score at all for United.

What kind of facts compare WW with Chris Wood and consider them to be of the same quality? WW wanted to play a number 10 like role but wasn’t quick enough or technically good enough in the PL

Dyche lost a 1 in 3 CF at Christmas and got and got a 6-6 inch false number 9 as a replacement. It was a desperation buy and just added to the malaise of Dyche’s final season.

He was averaging 1 in 2 in the Bundesliga before joining us and 1 in 3 at international football. After that season he went to Besiktas, Man Utd and Ajax and a world cup for the Netherlands.

[Jakubclaret]

Seen as you are claiming to have this hindsight can you provide a verdict on Hartman from Feyenord. Just a bit of digging is needed

I will also ask you regarding every other signing.

I don't claim to have the answers or research you don't need to have to realise our recruitment up to now in parts needs vast improvement.

[claretonthecoast1882]

I don't claim to have the answers or research you don't need to have to realise our recruitment up to now in parts needs vast improvement.

So what you are saying is not every signing works out at a club, there's no flies on you is there brains

[Jakubclaret]

So what you are saying is not every signing works out at a club, there's no flies on you is there brains

I'm saying we have more than our fair share & the frequency flops seem to be of a high value.

[claretonthecoast1882]

I'm saying we have more than our fair share & the frequency flops seem to be of a high value.

Which ones are you labelling as expensive flops

[Darnhill Claret]

It'll be the same recruitment guys getting it wrong with some signings and spot-on with other signings.
There are so many other variables to factor in, before deciding if a player will be a success, or deciding with hindsight, if he was a success.

Let's say that in total, we end up with ten new signings. There is a chance that there will be 5 judged to be successful and 5 judged to not be successful.
The difficulty would be knowing which category each player would fit into, when the window closes.

[Jakubclaret]

Which ones are you labelling as expensive flops

Redmond, tresor, WW, Ramsay, top of head. 2 you can point to injuries which is fair enough. To me too many people seem to go through the doors & just hang about without contributing too much. You'll probably disagree which is fair enough.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Redmond, tresor, WW, Ramsay, top of head. 2 you can point to injuries which is fair enough. To me too many people seem to go through the doors & just hang about without contributing too much. You'll probably disagree which is fair enough.

So basically Weghorst. Ae you ok with the signings like Odobert, Esteve, Koleosho to name 3 ?

Putting Redmond on there is stupid, the other 2 1 has had a serious injury and 1 a serious illness. I accept you think the Tresor illness is a lie and he just wouldn't play in the Championship but as with most things you are way off.

[Vegas Claret]

Dyche with Tony Laughlin isn't the same as Dyche without Tony Laughlin

[Jakubclaret]

So basically Weghorst. Ae you ok with the signings like Odobert, Esteve, Koleosho to name 3 ?

Putting Redmond on there is stupid, the other 2 1 has had a serious injury and 1 a serious illness. I accept you think the Tresor illness is a lie and he just wouldn't play in the Championship but as with most things you are way off.

It's not stupid at all regarding redmond as I recall back then it was a toss up between him & townsend & NR got the nod & Luton even ended up getting a fee for AT & he stayed fit contributing. The injury might have been unfortunate but it's something that came back from the Southampton days it's a calculated poor choice.

[ClaretPete001]

He was averaging 1 in 2 in the Bundesliga before joining us and 1 in 3 at international football. After that season he went to Besiktas, Man Utd and Ajax and a world cup for the Netherlands.

Like I say, he scored 2 in 40 in the PL. I don’t tbink anyone could seriously argue his record in the PL is as good as Chris Wood nor was he the kind of player to replace Chris Wood. My point was that it added to the problems in Dyche’s last season.

As for Jakub’s point, I think it is ironic that so many have so little good to say about Chris Wood but go through hoops to defend WW.

Josh Brownhill has scored 25 goals in 2 seasons for us in the Championship and 6 in 4 seasons in the PL. Brownhill is a good player and has had a good career but the PLis a different ball game.

[ŽižkovClaret]

RVN finally gone at Leicester

[Cirrus_Minor]

I just heard the sound of us dodging a bullet.

[ClaretTony]

I believe it's a job he'd be keen on and there is now officially a vacancy with RVN gone this morning,

[ClaretOfMancunia]

Many wanted him here over Parker, myself included. Very happy to admit I got that totally wrong. Good job I don't work in football!!

[TheFamilyCat]

Ruudi, Ruudi, Ruudi gonna fail.

[CyrilEbokiPoh]

I believe it's a job he'd be keen on and there is now officially a vacancy with RVN gone this morning,

I can understand the appeal to Dyche. Although according to one article RVN Was treat appallingly!!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... ster-city/

[Colburn_Claret]

Many wanted him here over Parker, myself included. Very happy to admit I got that totally wrong. Good job I don't work in football!!

Et moi

[Quickenthetempo]

Many wanted him here over Parker, myself included. Very happy to admit I got that totally wrong. Good job I don't work in football!!

You can't compare one manager doing well in the championship and one failing in the Premier league.

Wait until Parker has 40 points for us or Ruud has failed in the 2nd tier.

[ClaretOfMancunia]

You can't compare one manager doing well in the championship and one failing in the Premier league.

Wait until Parker has 40 points for us or Ruud has failed in the 2nd tier.

I suppose you're right, but Parker has far exceeded my initial expectations.

[agreenwood]

Not sure how much you can read into his time at Leicester. The owner has lost all interest.

[dermotdermot]

I think that I read the other day somewhere that the owner is in dire straits financially.

[NickBFC]

It could well be a slippery path for Leicester going forward. A tough gig for someone to get them back up this season I think.

[Steve1956]

With the way Leicester is at the moment I don't think Dyche would touch this job with a bargepole,I think he's wise enough to give this job a massive swerve....I could be wrong though

[jlup1980]

It could well be a slippery path for Leicester going forward. A tough gig for someone to get them back up this season I think.

I'm not sure about. We proved that being solid was more than enough to compete. We ambled to Christmas but we were comfortably in the top 6. Dyche would set them up to be hard to beat, just as Parker did with us. If they can hold onto one or two of their better players (Winks, Mavididi etc), they'd have far too much for the Championship.

[ClaretTony]

With the way Leicester is at the moment I don't think Dyche would touch this job with a bargepole,I think he's wise enough to give this job a massive swerve....I could be wrong though

I think you could be very wrong

[Marney&Mee]

Shoo in next Leicester manager for me

[Rumpelstiltskin]

I think you could be very wrong

Interesting !

[aggi]

Like I say, he scored 2 in 40 in the PL. I don’t tbink anyone could seriously argue his record in the PL is as good as Chris Wood nor was he the kind of player to replace Chris Wood. My point was that it added to the problems in Dyche’s last season.

As for Jakub’s point, I think it is ironic that so many have so little good to say about Chris Wood but go through hoops to defend WW.

Josh Brownhill has scored 25 goals in 2 seasons for us in the Championship and 6 in 4 seasons in the PL. Brownhill is a good player and has had a good career but the PLis a different ball game.

I guess it depends if you think that the Premier League is a totally different animal to any other league or not. His record may not be as good as Chris Wood but he was still good enough to be playing and scoring in a world cup quarter final against Argentina. The suggestions he was miles below Wood (and particularly the Wood of that season) don't really match up when you look at their careers.

Your Brownhill stat is really cherry picking though. Discount last season and he's been averaging about 5 a season in the championship, he's not been a championship goal machine who couldn't hack it in the Premier league.

[NickBFC]

I'm not sure about. We proved that being solid was more than enough to compete. We ambled to Christmas but we were comfortably in the top 6. Dyche would set them up to be hard to beat, just as Parker did with us. If they can hold onto one or two of their better players (Winks, Mavididi etc), they'd have far too much for the Championship.

We'll see but the owner clearly wants out. Big problems at King Power so I wouldn't be surprised to see Leicester cashing in on a lot of their assets and replacing with much cheaper options. Add in Ipswich, Sheff U, Birmingham etc and they might not find it as simple next season.

[aggi]

I suspect next season may be tougher than average for the relegated teams (although I guess only one team bounced back last season). Teams that were in the mix last season aren't much weaker and a few of the teams who have come up will also be competing at the top end of the table.

[claretonthecoast1882]

I suspect next season may be tougher than average for the relegated teams (although I guess only one team bounced back last season). Teams that were in the mix last season aren't much weaker and a few of the teams who have come up will also be competing at the top end of the table.

With Luton being relegated too it is possibly the lowest number of teams in the division with parachute payments for some time

[kentonclaret]

Shoo in next Leicester manager for me

Favourites that are viewed as “shoo ins” aren’t normally priced up at 4/6 (William Hill current odds).
Has Dyche actually shown any enthusiasm for taking the Leicester hot seat?