ARTICLE: Hountondji goes out on loan

[Chester Perry]

Loaning clubs always pay the wages (or a percentage of), then we get a loan fee on top.

Amdouni’s was reported to be €4m loan fee, payable €2m up front and €2m when they didn’t take their option, for example. I think we got €3m one season for Weghorst.

Weghorst is a sorry tale for our club
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The only loan fee we are aware of for him came from Manchester United - but all of that went to Besiktas as compensation for breaking his loan to them - so why did we facilitate it?

Well, Besiktas were only paying a portion of his wages (no loan fee) and Manchester United actually increased his wages while with them so he wouldn't be the lowest paid player at that club - the move to Manchester United actually saved our club several hundred thousand pounds in wages for that 6 months.

The Wout at Burnley story is a shambles financially from start to finish

[AfloatinClaret]

Or maybe football professionals know a lot more about the game than the average fan?

Heretic alert , heretic alert!... Burn him!

[Big Vinny K]

Weghorst is a sorry tale for our club
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The only loan fee we are aware of for him came from Manchester United - but all of that went to Besiktas as compensation for breaking his loan to them - so why did we facilitate it?

Well, Besiktas were only paying a portion of his wages (no loan fee) and Manchester United actually increased his wages while with them so he wouldn't be the lowest paid player at that club - the move to Manchester United actually saved our club several hundred thousand pounds in wages for that 6 months.

The Wout at Burnley story is a shambles financially from start to finish

That’s not how I recall it CP.

I thought the loan fee for Beskitas was around £2.7m to Burnley and when United decided they wanted him they had to pay the loan fee back to Beskitas and an additional £100k to us (or else there was no incentive for us to do the deal).

Also think all of his wages - reported to be £50k per week were covered by both teams. Whether United paid him some extra on top I don’t know.

I don’t think that overall the Wout deal was that bad financially. We didn’t pay that much for him - was it around £10m to £12m ? (or even less ?) and that was on the back of the ridiculous fee we had just received for Chris Wood from Newcastle. I’m not sure we lost that much money on Wout overall.

On the field I agree it was a pretty disastrous signing and contributed massively to our relegation. Hard to believe that a player who played so little for us has actually played for Burnley under Dyche, Kompany, and Parker. Other than the old stalwarts of Barnes and Jay there can’t be many other players who did that !!

[CyrilEbokiPoh]

Disappointing news. Like Foster I think he would be a lot better suited to the Premier League

Along with Frederic Nimani and Liam Robinson

[Moltisanti]

Disappointing news. Like Foster I think he would be a lot better suited to the Premier League

Parker obviously disagrees.

[fidelcastro]

Disappointing news. Like Foster I think he would be a lot better suited to the Premier League

That's a wind-up, right?

[timshorts]

Rather him than me with those roadworks in hamburg. The m25 is a joyride by comparison.

[NewClaret]

Hi NewClaret,

Fortunately you make a sensible post instead of ridiculing the man. At the end of the day, he didn't impose himself on our club. I imagine he was happy to come.

Let's hope he can get into the team and do well.

Thanks ecc. I seem to be a lot more patient than most when it comes to young players. Fans seem to want instant success these days or are willing to write off young clarets after 3 games that I didn’t think were that poor (certainly not the worst preformed in those games and I also recall one or two very near misses that may have changed perceptions a lot).

Hountondji may or may not make it here but I always think how would I like it if it were my son trying to make a career out of the game.

What I would say about Hountondji is that he has the physical attributes to make it in the Premier League, so fingers crossed he has a good season in the Bundesliga this year. Can’t hurt having your new coach speak so highly of you.

[NewClaret]

It’s your lucky day then, I’m here to tell you, he will never ever make it as a PL striker. Regardless of what you say, he’s completely tripe.

Where does this “let’s give players all this time before we judge them” come from? Proper woke crap.

I saw Diego Penny, Dane Richards, Michael Ricketts, Fred Nimani, Richard Eckersley play 45 minutes and I knew they’d be useless. On the other hand I saw Nathan Dyer and Djemba Djemba play 45 minutes and knew they had something.

Okay Joey. I bow to your superior footballing knowledge.

So sorry for being woke and not writing off our 22 year old striker who has just got a Bundesliga move.

[NewClaret]

Weghorst is a sorry tale for our club
..
The only loan fee we are aware of for him came from Manchester United - but all of that went to Besiktas as compensation for breaking his loan to them - so why did we facilitate it?

Well, Besiktas were only paying a portion of his wages (no loan fee) and Manchester United actually increased his wages while with them so he wouldn't be the lowest paid player at that club - the move to Manchester United actually saved our club several hundred thousand pounds in wages for that 6 months.

The Wout at Burnley story is a shambles financially from start to finish

I actually remember it more like Big Vinny K, CP, but not doubting you. I dare say overall Wout didn’t work out too well financially, depending of course on what we committed to pay in the event of relegation. Fortunately it came off the back of the good deal we got for Wood and there’ve been a few decent ones to repay us since!

[fidelcastro]

You really do read it all on here.

Apparently Hountondji, a striker who looked out of his depth in the championship, is good enough for the Premier League (which by definition now means us), but Kyle Walker, an experienced multiple trophy winner and current England international isn't good enough for Burnley.

Man alive!

[Newcastleclaret93]

Houtondji has talent, I hope he pushes on this season and becomes a valuable player for us.

For context let’s look at what our players were doing at 22:

Foster was playing for Westerloo
Flemming was playing in the second division of the Netherlands
Barnes was a sub for Brighton in the championship
Chris wood was an unused squad player at Ipswich
Weghorst was in the second division of the Netherlands

I get what people are saying about Houtondji he had a stinker of a season last year but there’s a talented lad in there, he got 18 goal contributions in 31 goals for Rodiz. Just needs a good loan and I think we will see a different player

[Jakubclaret]

I actually remember it more like Big Vinny K, CP, but not doubting you. I dare say overall Wout didn’t work out too well financially, depending of course on what we committed to pay in the event of relegation. Fortunately it came off the back of the good deal we got for Wood and there’ve been a few decent ones to repay us since!

Good deal for wood are you having a giraffe his goals last season more or less ensured forest qualified for Europe & he finished up 4th highest scorer above the likes of Bowen & Watkins & palmer. We got dry power bummed I don't say it the stats say it.

[Silkyskills1]

That's a desperate attempt to champion a footballer who was a mystery when he arrived and 12 months later remains a mystery. Good luck to him whatever he does but he's going to need a C V with greater appeal than the one you've produced.

[Silkyskills1]

It is a little surprising, but a very good move for him and for us. If he can score goals in the Bundesliga it’ll either propel him in to the reckoning for us or mean we can sell for a decent profit.

On the other hand .........

[CoolClaret]

Good loan for him (and us!)

I still think there's something there with this lad, not sure to what level, but he has favourable raw attributes.

I'm guessing he's mainly going to be used in rotation, if he can manage an 7-goal + return in the Bundesliga, then I think he might be one that comes good.

[ksrclaret]

Slightly off topic, but somewhat related, I think we've got to rein in the number of these types we bring in.

We currently have one of the largest squads in Europe according to a post today, and it's largely because we've signed many players whose only future with Burnley appears to be a succession of loan moves. Oliver Sonne is another, acquired only in January, whose Burnley career looks destined to follow a similar trajectory. I'm not saying we're signing players deliberately to send out on loan, but you can usually tell by the club and/ or league they've come from whether they'll be first team ready straight away or whether they'll join the loan queue.

Anyway, I wish Hountonddji all the best with this move. Hopefully he bags a few.

[NewClaret]

Good deal for wood are you having a giraffe his goals last season more or less ensured forest qualified for Europe & he finished up 4th highest scorer above the likes of Bowen & Watkins & palmer. We got dry power bummed I don't say it the stats say it.

He also did nothing in two years for Newcastle and they sold him for half the price we did, I think? If anyone got ‘dry powder bummed’ I’d say it was them? I think £25m was decent and I think we were all very happy with the fee at the time.

He did have a good season last year, and he is a good player, no taking that away.

[JohnDearyMe]

That's a wind-up, right?

Having analysed Hountondji's xG ratings throughout his career (along with Foster's) I can safely say that they would have propelled us to qualify for European football.

[Jakubclaret]

He also did nothing in two years for Newcastle and they sold him for half the price we did, I think? If anyone got ‘dry powder bummed’ I’d say it was them? I think £25m was decent and I think we were all very happy with the fee at the time.

He did have a good season last year, and he is a good player, no taking that away.

In the grand scheme of things it's irrelevant & small fry. Yes we got good service from him & a fee after but after what he's just done it cannot be dressed up being a good deal in any shape or form. I agree most (not all) was all happy with the £25m mainly because most thought WW was going to be the real deal had we known how things were going to transpire I think that level of happiness would have gone down like a lead balloon.

[NewClaret]

Slightly off topic, but somewhat related, I think we've got to rein in the number of these types we bring in.

We currently have one of the largest squads in Europe according to a post today, and it's largely because we've signed many players whose only future with Burnley appears to be a succession of loan moves. Oliver Sonne is another, acquired only in January, whose Burnley career looks destined to follow a similar trajectory. I'm not saying we're signing players deliberately to send out on loan, but you can usually tell by the club and/ or league they've come from whether they'll be first team ready straight away or whether they'll join the loan queue.

Anyway, I wish Hountonddji all the best with this move. Hopefully he bags a few.

I think our strategy will be the exact opposite to be honest. If ALK buy Espanyol I expect it will be to expand this approach.

I think they’re essentially trying to:

- identify young players with the attributes they think can be developed while they are cheap
- find them clubs that will develop them, but also pay their wages and a loan fee
- sell them on if they don’t find a path to the first team (soon to be teams)

The only thing I see changing is the quality of the players if they keep us in the Premier League.

I don’t think ALK care a jot about the size of the squad providing they’re all developing and increasing their value. More players = more potential profit.

[ksrclaret]

I don’t think ALK care a jot about the size of the squad providing they’re all developing and increasing their value. More players = more potential profit.

Well they really ought to. They won't always be as fortunate as to have a Scott Parker who can mould an outstanding team spirit against the odds. More players might lead to more profit, but it might also lead to a dressing room that can't be managed effectively. 23/24 was a glimpse into that.

Anyway, let's not turn this thread into more bloody Espanyol chat.

[NewClaret]

In the grand scheme of things it's irrelevant & small fry. Yes we got good service from him & a fee after but after what he's just done it cannot be dressed up being a good deal in any shape or form. I agree most (not all) was all happy with the £25m mainly because most thought WW was going to be the real deal had we known how things were going to transpire I think that level of happiness would have gone down like a lead balloon.

I think most were happy because his form had dropped off a cliff (season before he was brilliant) and he wasn’t firing blanks. He wasn’t the only one, mind. I don’t think there was a single Burnley fan on the planet that would’ve valued Wood at £25m the day before.

He did have an excellent year last year and Nuno got the best out of him. Newcastle didn’t get what we did and I doubt Forest would, even after his best season ever. Stand by my view it classified as a good deal for us.

[Jakubclaret]

I think most were happy because his form had dropped off a cliff (season before he was brilliant) and he wasn’t firing blanks. He wasn’t the only one, mind. I don’t think there was a single Burnley fan on the planet that would’ve valued Wood at £25m the day before.

He did have an excellent year last year and Nuno got the best out of him. Newcastle didn’t get what we did and I doubt Forest would, even after his best season ever. Stand by my view it classified as a good deal for us.

You can stand by it but in light of the evidence it's not stable footing. All strikers go through barren spells & considering back then with newcastle in the mire themselves looking at the bigger picture it's not completely unreasonable to deduce that some burnley fans wouldn't have let CW go for all the tea in china just by who we was selling him to & the bigger relegation picture.

[NewClaret]

Well they really ought to. They won't always be as fortunate as to have a Scott Parker who can mould an outstanding team spirit against the odds. More players might lead to more profit, but it might also lead to a dressing room that can't be managed effectively. 23/24 was a glimpse into that.

Anyway, let's not turn this thread into more bloody Espanyol chat.

Yeah, maybe so, but I also very much doubt we promise these younger lads places in the 25 man squad. I think we’ll be quite transparent with them when we bring them in on how we see them developing. I’ll be surprised if they change their approach, anyway.

But fair point, going off topic here, so will leave it there.

[NewClaret]

You can stand by it but in light of the evidence it's not stable footing. All strikers go through barren spells & considering back then with newcastle in the mire themselves looking at the bigger picture it's not completely unreasonable to deduce that some burnley fans wouldn't have let CW go for all the tea in china just by who we was selling him to & the bigger relegation picture.

Fair enough, all about opinions. I was/am happy that was a good deal, but felt Pope was for example. Do t want to clog up the thread about Wood though, so we’ll have to agree to disagree.

[Jakubclaret]

Fair enough, all about opinions. I was/am happy that was a good deal, but felt Pope was for example. Do t want to clog up the thread about Wood though, so we’ll have to agree to disagree.

I think we should park it there considering we ended up getting relegated & NU stopped up.

[CyrilEbokiPoh]

Houtondji has talent, I hope he pushes on this season and becomes a valuable player for us.

For context let’s look at what our players were doing at 22:

Foster was playing for Westerloo
Flemming was playing in the second division of the Netherlands
Barnes was a sub for Brighton in the championship
Chris wood was an unused squad player at Ipswich
Weghorst was in the second division of the Netherlands

I get what people are saying about Houtondji he had a stinker of a season last year but there’s a talented lad in there, he got 18 goal contributions in 31 goals for Rodiz. Just needs a good loan and I think we will see a different player

And at the same age Danny Ings had just scored 3 goals in 32 in the championship for us.

[KRBFC]

Okay Joey. I bow to your superior footballing knowledge.

So sorry for being woke and not writing off our 22 year old striker who has just got a Bundesliga move.

Thanks

I’m just being honest.

[KRBFC]

Houtondji has talent

What talent is that?

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Personally I hope he scores a hatful in the Bundesliga, gets all his confidence back and becomes very valuable

[fidelcastro]

Personally I hope he scores a hatful in the Bundesliga, gets all his confidence back and becomes very valuable

So do I, but don't hold your breath.

[MT03ALG]

Houdini has escaped from BFC....

[ecc]

Houdini has escaped from BFC....

That's funny.