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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Buxtonclaret » Fri Jul 11, 2025 5:49 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
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Wanted and needed
Another will give us the day.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Longford Claret » Sat Jul 12, 2025 12:49 am

In other international cricket news. Scotland have lost against Italy and Jersey and are out of the T20 World Cup qualifiers.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by ChrisG » Sat Jul 12, 2025 1:23 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jul 11, 2025 4:42 pm
It’s a brilliant catch and he’s now taken more catches than any other outfield player in test cricket passing Rahul Dravidian
What a superb cricketer Root is. Bat, field, and even ball.

He genuinely has it all, and I'm loving his renaissance since relinquishing the captaincy.
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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Jul 12, 2025 7:38 am

ChrisG wrote:
Sat Jul 12, 2025 1:23 am
What a superb cricketer Root is. Bat, field, and even ball.

He genuinely has it all, and I'm loving his renaissance since relinquishing the captaincy.
For me it’s the longevity as well. The other fab 4 have started to drop away and if anything it feels like root is getting better.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sat Jul 12, 2025 9:28 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Jul 12, 2025 7:38 am
For me it’s the longevity as well. The other fab 4 have started to drop away and if anything it feels like root is getting better.
They did a comparison of Root, think it was since 2021 and his conversion rate since then is ridiculous, with a century every third game, i think they said. Can't remember the exact figures but prior to that it was really poor, around 25%.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by ecc » Sat Jul 12, 2025 1:59 pm

Two wickets either side of lunch give England the advantage. 255-5.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Anonymous Claret » Sat Jul 12, 2025 2:38 pm

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Sat Jul 12, 2025 9:28 am
They did a comparison of Root, think it was since 2021 and his conversion rate since then is ridiculous, with a century every third game, i think they said. Can't remember the exact figures but prior to that it was really poor, around 25%.
I think he failed to convert a lot of 50s when he was captain often getting out in the 60s and 70s.
Captaincy always looked to weigh heavily on him.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jul 12, 2025 3:53 pm

Anonymous Claret wrote:
Sat Jul 12, 2025 2:38 pm
I think he failed to convert a lot of 50s when he was captain often getting out in the 60s and 70s.
Captaincy always looked to weigh heavily on him.
It was an issue with Root earlier in his test career but definitely not now.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Anonymous Claret » Sat Jul 12, 2025 4:15 pm

I seem to remember him being out between 50 and 100 when he was captain also.
It could be my mind playing tricks and I could be wrong though.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sat Jul 12, 2025 4:43 pm

Anonymous Claret wrote:
Sat Jul 12, 2025 4:15 pm
I seem to remember him being out between 50 and 100 when he was captain also.
It could be my mind playing tricks and I could be wrong though.
It was both before and during his captaincy.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Taffy on the wing » Sat Jul 12, 2025 6:24 pm

Scores tied....2 overs to defend for England.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Jul 12, 2025 6:29 pm

1 over. The time wasting in this test is absolutely farcical.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by RVclaret » Sat Jul 12, 2025 6:32 pm

Umpires have been at the time wasting! Unbelievable how long it’s taken to change balls. Walk faster!!

As for the test, I read this is the 8th time scores have been tied at the halfway stage, only 1 has been won by the team batting last…

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Sat Jul 12, 2025 6:39 pm

Watching Gill and the Indians complaining about Crawley calling the physio on because he was struck on the fingers reminds me that, just yesterday, Gill, who was fielding, lay down on the field because he said that he had some injury or other. Physio came on and they treated him for quite some time on the field and thus held play up.
He should have gone off for treatment and a sub fielder come onto the field so that play could continue. The umpires did not make this happen as they should have done, however, in view of this, Gill should wind his neck in because he wasted far more time than CRawley has done this evening.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Poulton-le-Claret » Sat Jul 12, 2025 6:42 pm

Great stuff from Crawley, had them all rattled. Dyche would be proud.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Jul 12, 2025 7:02 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sat Jul 12, 2025 6:32 pm
Umpires have been at the time wasting! Unbelievable how long it’s taken to change balls. Walk faster!!

As for the test, I read this is the 8th time scores have been tied at the halfway stage, only 1 has been won by the team batting last…
Deciding to change the ball straight after a drinks break has been a particular highlight from the umpires.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Milltown1882 » Sat Jul 12, 2025 7:17 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:
Sat Jul 12, 2025 6:39 pm
Watching Gill and the Indians complaining about Crawley calling the physio on because he was struck on the fingers reminds me that, just yesterday, Gill, who was fielding, lay down on the field because he said that he had some injury or other. Physio came on and they treated him for quite some time on the field and thus held play up.
He should have gone off for treatment and a sub fielder come onto the field so that play could continue. The umpires did not make this happen as they should have done, however, in view of this, Gill should wind his neck in because he wasted far more time than CRawley has done this evening.
Literally just had this conversation with my friend. They don’t like it when they can’t dictate every aspect of the sport.

Hope we stick 300-350 on tomorrow.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by BurnleyFC » Sat Jul 12, 2025 7:32 pm

Crawley is a man mountain. He’d have Gill for breakfast.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sat Jul 12, 2025 9:28 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:
Sat Jul 12, 2025 6:39 pm
Watching Gill and the Indians complaining about Crawley calling the physio on because he was struck on the fingers reminds me that, just yesterday, Gill, who was fielding, lay down on the field because he said that he had some injury or other. Physio came on and they treated him for quite some time on the field and thus held play up.
He should have gone off for treatment and a sub fielder come onto the field so that play could continue. The umpires did not make this happen as they should have done, however, in view of this, Gill should wind his neck in because he wasted far more time than CRawley has done this evening.
One of the commentators suggested that Gill was wasting time because Rahul had been off the field and may not have been back on for long enough to open.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Sat Jul 12, 2025 10:47 pm

Three days have seen 232.5 overs bowled so, even if you add on a further 8 overs for between innings, we are still 30 overs short of what should have been played. If this continues we will be short of another 20 overs in the next two days which makes total of 50 overs in the match. This equates to more than half a day's play. Not good.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by LeadBelly » Sat Jul 12, 2025 11:00 pm

One of the Indian batsman today, having just come on after a wicket, spent some time in the middle adjusting his handle grip. As if he couldn't have got that sorted in the pavillion before he came on. Having said which, both sides have hardly rushed matters along.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:26 am

In this country where the daylight is no problem they should just be made to bowl the overs. The players would soon speed up.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Andreshotboots » Sun Jul 13, 2025 7:57 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:26 am
In this country where the daylight is no problem they should just be made to bowl the overs. The players would soon speed up.
The strange thing is on the last day they do, 90 overs have to be bowled.

To me drinks breaks should be scrapped, there's enough natural breaks in the game for players to get the support staff on to get a quick drink, wickets, ball changes, physio on after an injury etc.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Jakubs Tash » Sun Jul 13, 2025 8:02 am

Andreshotboots wrote:
Sun Jul 13, 2025 7:57 am
To me drinks breaks should be scrapped, there's enough natural breaks in the game for players to get the support staff on to get a quick drink, wickets, ball changes, physio on after an injury etc.
Only the other day on TMS, Alastair Cook was saying this exact thing and that the main reason for the drinks breaks now is adverts. It all come down to money.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Buxtonclaret » Sun Jul 13, 2025 11:09 am

All right.
How nervous is everyone this morning? :D

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jul 13, 2025 11:22 am

Crawley is looking very very shaky

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jul 13, 2025 11:25 am

Duckett is some player

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jul 13, 2025 11:26 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Jul 13, 2025 11:25 am
Duckett is some player
Sorry

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Buxtonclaret » Sun Jul 13, 2025 11:27 am

22/1
Duckett. Soft, that.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:00 pm

There was simply no chance Pope was lasting over 20 minutes this morning with the ball doing a bit and pressure on.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:00 pm

Pope out

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Gunfury » Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:07 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:00 pm
There was simply no chance Pope was lasting over 20 minutes this morning with the ball doing a bit and pressure on.
Something that a number 3 should be able to handle

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Casper2 » Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:07 pm

If Pope is a number 3 then I should be opening

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:09 pm

Same old story for Pope: 100 not out at stumps on day two at Headingley, but 86 for 6 since and now averaging 31 for the series. And his overall average in England's second innings of matches is now below 20. Time to give Bethell a go.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Gunfury » Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:12 pm

Number 3 is a problem area for England.Dont think we’ve had a decent one since Jonathan Trott

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:14 pm

Shock Crawley now out

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Gunfury » Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:15 pm

Now Crawley gone flashing to slips again….get rid!

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Casper2 » Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:15 pm

And Crawley out for the exact same shot , ridiculous

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:17 pm

Shocking morning so far
Duckett and Crawley out to dreadful shots
Could lose this by the end of day if we keep playing balls that we can leave

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Casper2 » Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:22 pm

How can a sub be a specialist wicket keeper ? can’t bowl or bat but they can wicket keep ? Then the wicket keeper (pant) doesn’t field but then is totally fresh and ready to bat

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:24 pm

Casper2 wrote:
Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:22 pm
How can a sub be a specialist wicket keeper ? can’t bowl or bat but they can wicket keep ? Then the wicket keeper (pant) doesn’t field but then is totally fresh and ready to bat
Agree, seems a complete joke to me.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:42 pm

I've got a feeling they'll stick with Crawley for now. Pope must be under serious pressure from Bethell though.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by alwaysaclaret » Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:48 pm

Just absolutely shocking hari kari this by England, can't describe any other way.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by Buxtonclaret » Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:49 pm

Poor that from Harry too.
Just no need.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:54 pm

Casper2 wrote:
Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:22 pm
How can a sub be a specialist wicket keeper ? can’t bowl or bat but they can wicket keep ? Then the wicket keeper (pant) doesn’t field but then is totally fresh and ready to bat
Doesn’t seem right to me. Not sure when the rules changed but there was a time when one of the other ten players had to keep wicket with the sub not permitted to do so.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:54 pm

Dreadful Brook - 10 minutes to lunch
Just Root
Stokes
Smith

Defeat looking more likely now unless Archer had a big and successful spell in their innings

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:54 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote:
Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:49 pm
Poor that from Harry too.
Just no need.
Really poor from him.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by kentonclaret » Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:55 pm

Casper2 wrote:
Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:22 pm
How can a sub be a specialist wicket keeper ? can’t bowl or bat but they can wicket keep ? Then the wicket keeper (pant) doesn’t field but then is totally fresh and ready to bat
As I understand it if Jamie Smith was injured the umpires would not allow England a replacement wicket keeper as other players on the field of play can perform that specialist role. England would be allowed a fielding sub only. Jamie Smith would still be allowed to bat though as it was an on field injury.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by CoolClaret » Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:58 pm

I find it incredibly frustrating viewing this, and it's not worth the occasional mental win against all odds.

Openers are there to see off the new ball and wear out the strike bowlers, giving a real platform for your middle order to rack up the runs.

The amount of pressure we put on our middle order to score around 250-300 is obscene. To be 4 wickets down in 23 overs, three of those wickets being self inflicted with daft shots is ridiculous.

You can get away with it against Zimbabwe, good luck against India or down under this winter. Frustrating.

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Re: England vs India Third test

Post by ecc » Sun Jul 13, 2025 1:08 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Sun Jul 13, 2025 12:58 pm


Openers are there to see off the new ball and wear out the strike bowlers, giving a real platform for your middle order to rack up the runs.

Hi CoolClaret,

I've no idea of your age but that was what I was brought up to believe. There used to be - has it now completely disappeared ? - a huge difference between the role of the openers and the other specialist batsmen. I realise his attitude was often criticised even by his own county but Boycott was the perfect illustration of an opener. He wasn't there to hit boundaries - unless the ball was rank bad and sitting up for him - and sixes didn't exist in his own world. He was there to do what you said. And if your openers could get you to 100 before the first one fell, you were in with a good chance of building a big score.

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